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Post by b6k on Mar 1, 2014 0:31:57 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 1, 2014 2:43:14 GMT 3
WE WANT THE REGISTER! Without the register there is no election! SHOUTS a man in black continuously!
--Where are the spin doctors when you need them!? I am holding my pro-TNA pen, to give the tattered ODM-spinners a fighting chance! But it is a countdown toward a declaration of a knock-out. It would be insanity for Anyang Nyon'go to organise party elections and fail to furnish an all-parties agreed register of delegates, well before-hand.
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Post by b6k on Mar 1, 2014 19:33:37 GMT 3
WE WANT THE REGISTER! Without the register there is no election! SHOUTS a man in black continuously! --Where are the spin doctors when you need them!? I am holding my pro-TNA pen, to give the tattered ODM-spinners a fighting chance! But it is a countdown toward a declaration of a knock-out. It would be insanity for Anyang Nyon'go to organise party elections and fail to furnish an all-parties agreed register of delegates, well before-hand. , I had been watching the proceedings live but unfortunately changed the channel once they started voting because I assumed the voting exercise would take quite some time. Ten minutes later (while I was still viewing other programming) all hell broke loose. I didn't tune back to the local stations until another 20 minutes or so later by which time Isaac Mwaura (the aggrieved nominated MP) was still making a lot of noise arguing that election malpractice had taken place. He was asked whether his name was on the ballot. He confirmed that it was. His complaint was based on the circulation of some document that had 23 names of candidates for specific posts. Interestingly, the list had both Namwamba and Joho's names on it. You should note that Mwaura had all along been campaigning with the duo as part of the young turks intent on re-energizing ODM. The list of 23 (or so names) was a hodgepodge of names covering the RAO and Namwamba camps and was titled as " ODM TEAM FRESH". The inference here is some sort of deal was struck between the RAO and Namwamba factions divvying up positions between the two groups. Once Mwaura didn't see his name on the list he went ballistic & the rest, as they say, is history. This video shows some of one faction's concerns from the 4:29 mark: I was talking to some of my ODM mates from the lakeside earlier today and they confirmed that the MIB who were seen causing chaos were known security guys who have been utilized by the party for ages, in-house security being preferred to outsourced security that can be easily compromised. In their view, the whole fracas was instigated by a faction within ODM that was not happy with the way proceedings were going. NB: earlier I had watched the Namwamba candidates receiving cheers (extremely loud for Namwamba himself to the point things came to a halt) while many from the other side were actually jeered. Here's "The People's" take on yesterday's election debacle. They note that missing in action were James Orengo and Jakoyo Midiwo. Of course, Evans Kidero also boycotted the election exercise. Hmmmmm... www.thepeople.co.ke/58506/chaos-mars-odm-polls-fake-delegates-claim/Where's Phil when you need some in-house 411?  Here is half of ODM TEAM FRESH:  |
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Post by bkichwa on Mar 2, 2014 10:28:32 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 2, 2014 13:02:47 GMT 3
As Presidential hopeful Raila Odinga looks at himself in the mirror the morning after, he must find on one hand, a coldness somewhere in his heart, if there is still a fire to run. The inextinguishable fire of pious ambition; but the coldness in the heart of a warrior who has lost a battle but not the war but in a hopeless situation nevertheless. The thing is, what happened at Kasarani shows a mentally paralysed Pharaoh. The body is partially decomposing, but because by divine law a pharaoh is a kind of god, he is officially immortal and so the rotting odour issues from elsewhere. But I am doing fiction today, so god or man, his life-force is seeping and he needs a radical surgery, or it is to the tomb with him, and only rituals of passage remain. I still give him one more chance, because Raila has never played the ultimate card in politics. With nothing to loose now, and totally desperate, one foot in the grave, he can play it. I outlined his options elsewhere anyway. But may be there is no longer a fire in his belly to do anything more than a symbolic lurch toward a welcome dispatch. An Old gladiator bent on death in the arena. Unable to picture life in retirement. Praying for an old soldier's euthanasia in the battlefield. The thing is, the goons who disrupted the event were ODM insiders. Hired by ODM insiders belonging to a Luo clique around Raila himself. Ndolo, Aladwa, and Kajwang’. They would rather see ODM destroyed, than watch a new breed of no loyalties to Luo Nyanza take-over the party. It is their baby and they own it. They would dare Solomon and have it cut in half!What is at stake, is the end of a whole generation of Luo politicians who have parasitically relied on the patronage of Raila Odinga. This was a Luo supremacits clique driven into a corner, going for the Samson option. They are bringing the whole tent down, and care not of burying Raila himself in the rubble. Men who have made careers of rigged election and made good business out of power brokerage were watching their fates sealed. ---No longer would Raila pick his cronies, neither in Nyanza nor in Nairobi. This change would be nothing less than revolutionary in Luo politics. Team Joho and Namwamba if elected, to win and keep Luoland to which they are not ethnically homogenous, would have to LET THE GENUINE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE COME UP. This glimmer of free and fair elections in Luo-Nyanza, no longer beholden to the corrupt machinations of a single royal court like the primaries of yonder, is what in my opinion explains the run-away popularity of the Namwamba candidacy amongst the youth and disenfranchised commoners tired of being sheep! This sabotage of the national delegates conference is to continue the tenure of the old guard and thwart the elevation of a new with other priorities. It was obviously long in the offing. In retrospect, Elizabeth Ongoro saw it all in clear vision, and wept upfront!  Sensitive, passionate girl! They were not just leading Raila astray, they were leading him to extinction! And like a sacrificial lamb being led to the knife, or an old bull to the manger, tamed Agwambo lacked the will, the instinct, the vision to stop it all and usher in a democratic tradition with grace. ---When even Jakoyo Kamidiwo and James Orengo had deserted him in the run to Kasarani, you knew the level of the King’s isolation from reality. www.nation.co.ke/news/-/1056/2227340/-/14btte6/-/index.html here is the feeble counter propaganda: Pathetic John soiling himself in public for nothing! JOHN MBADI: State machinery unleashed on ODM! Party infiltrated by ….! (Ai yawa, thura! En ng’a mong’otho wiyi? Ilokori rombo e dier oganda?) ---Pathetic attempts to explain the chaos by infiltration from without have all fallen flat. Mpig John Mbadi’s index finger pointed at the government and Jubilee money, yet his other fingers all folded to point back at the Royal clique itself! An insider job, with known names. Every politically literate Luo knew by then Ndolo, and Aladwa and Kajwang’ were implicated in the mayhem! The Kikuyus and their token Luos Omamo and Oloo had nothing to do with it. Some MIB were recognised within seconds on TV by lots of Nairobi Luos who know them, and can place them politically!The question is whether the ODM supremo Raila was complicit, or also played for the fool. If the King was played for the fool, it is time to spill Luo blood. This time the blood of his close confidants who have all but killed his ambition. May be their blood can be the fuel for his last successful run! A blood sacrifice! ----Power, never a more ruthless game in life that it! The late King Hussein of Jordan narrowly escaped an assassination attempt in a Mosque in Amman. He calmly called his head of security, and looked at him like Shaka Zulu looked at his head of security after an assassination attempt during a Kraal dance: The word is from Old Rome: decimation. But of course Raila can also simply retire. Keep on blaming Onyango Oloo  ! |
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Post by b6k on Mar 2, 2014 14:47:36 GMT 3
Bkichwa, in 2007 they blamed Kibaki and the late Kivuitu with his ECK for stealing the election and justice Gicheru for swearing Kibaki in "at night". In 2013, they blamed Uhuruto & Hassan's IEBC for stealing the election, & the Supreme Court for failing to annul the results. They even shifted the blame to the KDF and accused them of being involved in a military coup at Bomas when they allegedly ejected their agents! Now the MIB have done what they did in broad daylight at Kasarani & it looks like there's no one else left to blame but themselves...
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Post by b6k on Mar 2, 2014 15:02:18 GMT 3
As Presidential hopeful Raila Odinga looks at himself in the mirror the morning after, he must find on one hand, a coldness somewhere in his heart, if there is still a fire to run. The inextinguishable fire of pious ambition; but the coldness in the heart of a warrior who has lost a battle but not the war but in a hopeless situation nevertheless. The thing is, what happened at Kasarani shows a mentally paralysed Pharaoh. The body is partially decomposing, but because by divine law a pharaoh is a kind of god, he is officially immortal and so the rotting odour issues from elsewhere. But I am doing fiction today, so god or man, his life-force is seeping and he needs a radical surgery, or it is to the tomb with him, and only rituals of passage remain. I still give him one more chance, because Raila has never played the ultimate card in politics. With nothing to loose now, and totally desperate, one foot in the grave, he can play it. I outlined his options elsewhere anyway. But may be there is no longer a fire in his belly to do anything more than a symbolic lurch toward a welcome dispatch. An Old gladiator bent on death in the arena. Unable to picture life in retirement. Praying for an old soldier's euthanasia in the battlefield. The thing is, the goons who disrupted the event were ODM insiders. Hired by ODM insiders belonging to a Luo clique around Raila himself. Ndolo, Aladwa, and Kajwang’. They would rather see ODM destroyed, than watch a new breed of no loyalties to Luo Nyanza take-over the party. It is their baby and they own it. They would dare Solomon and have it cut in half!What is at stake, is the end of a whole generation of Luo politicians who have parasitically relied on the patronage of Raila Odinga. This was a Luo supremacits clique driven into a corner, going for the Samson option. They are bringing the whole tent down, and care not of burying Raila himself in the rubble. Men who have made careers of rigged election and made good business out of power brokerage were watching their fates sealed. ---No longer would Raila pick his cronies, neither in Nyanza nor in Nairobi. This change would be nothing less than revolutionary in Luo politics. Team Joho and Namwamba if elected, to win and keep Luoland to which they are not ethnically homogenous, would have to LET THE GENUINE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE COME UP. This glimmer of free and fair elections in Luo-Nyanza, no longer beholden to the corrupt machinations of a single royal court like the primaries of yonder, is what in my opinion explains the run-away popularity of the Namwamba candidacy amongst the youth and disenfranchised commoners tired of being sheep! This sabotage of the national delegates conference is to continue the tenure of the old guard and thwart the elevation of a new with other priorities. It was obviously long in the offing. In retrospect, Elizabeth Ongoro saw it all in clear vision, and wept upfront! Sensitive, passionate girl! They were not just leading Raila astray, they were leading him to extinction! And like a sacrificial lamb being led to the knife, or an old bull to the manger, tamed Agwambo lacked the will, the instinct, the vision to stop it all and usher in a democratic tradition with grace. ---When even Jakoyo Kamidiwo and James Orengo had deserted him in the run to Kasarani, you knew the level of the King’s isolation from reality. www.nation.co.ke/news/-/1056/2227340/-/14btte6/-/index.html here is the feeble counter propaganda: Pathetic John soiling himself in public for nothing! JOHN MBADI: State machinery unleashed on ODM! Party infiltrated by ….! (Ai yawa, thura! En ng’a mong’otho wiyi? Ilokori rombo e dier oganda?) ---Pathetic attempts to explain the chaos by infiltration from without have all fallen flat. Mpig John Mbadi’s index finger pointed at the government and Jubilee money, yet his other fingers all folded to point back at the Royal clique itself! An insider job, with known names. Every politically literate Luo knew by then Ndolo, and Aladwa and Kajwang’ were implicated in the mayhem! The Kikuyus and their token Luos Omamo and Oloo had nothing to do with it. Some MIB were recognised within seconds on TV by lots of Nairobi Luos who know them, and can place them politically!The question is whether the ODM supremo Raila was complicit, or also played for the fool. If the King was played for the fool, it is time to spill Luo blood. This time the blood of his close confidants who have all but killed his ambition. May be their blood can be the fuel for his last successful run! A blood sacrifice! ----Power, never a more ruthless game in life that it! The late King Hussein of Jordan narrowly escaped an assassination attempt in a Mosque in Amman. He calmly called his head of security, and looked at him like Shaka Zulu looked at his head of security after an assassination attempt during a Kraal dance: The word is from Old Rome: decimation. But of course Raila can also simply retire. Keep on blaming Onyango Oloo !
Jakaswanga, in addition to Kajwang, Aladwa and Ndolo, Ababu Namwamba has stated that Elizabeth Ongoro may have had a hand in hiring the MIB. Ndolo has threatened to take Namwamba to court for naming him in the election debacle  In spite of the damage to party property clearly seen in the videos, it's instructive to note that no one has filed a complaint with the police to pursue a case against the MIB. Is the Namwamba faction seen as a potential "Arab Spring" wing within ODM? I believe you could be on to something when you say that even the people of Luo Nyanza are relishing the prospect of having their own representatives come up rather than have leaders imposed upon them from the royalist elite above. Here is the Standard's take on intrigues in meetings that took place on the eve of the elections (Thursday night). www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000105869&story_title=how-stand-off-in-party-was-detectedIt's alleged that Agwambo failed to convince Namwamba and Joho to come to a consensus with the Zani faction on preferable candidates (ODM Team Fresh?) in a meeting at Westlands. Meanwhile a parallel meeting was taking place at Valley Arcade where the MIB action angle was most likely hatched. Something had to give... |
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Post by omundu on Mar 2, 2014 15:38:53 GMT 3
Very embarrassing to ODM this event.
The old order that has had it easy riding on the coat tails of agwambo are in panic mode and are unclothing the emperor.
Let's see how the Leaders react to this in the coming weeks. I hope they learn from it and... Well, we shall see.
However, I still commend ODM for attempting to remain become/remain a real democratic party by holding delegate conference and electing party officials. In fact I think it, together with CCM in Tanzania may be the only parties on this eastern side of the continent that attempts such progress. The rest of the parties are cobbled up towards elections and dissolved right after. Briefcase parties with nothing relevant in between elections.
History teaches us that it won't be easy and with time I hope the creases are ironed out.
But still an embarrassment infront of the gathered international delegates. I would like to see how the internal party structure handles this and punishes (somehow) the perpetrators.
Now that is where the real battle will ensue methinks.
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 2, 2014 17:53:58 GMT 3
I was reading well, then something started to jar! coz I do read carefully. Eric Ng'eno says: No, bikichwa, Ng’eno is a spindoctor from the other side seeking to seize this episode to inflict the maximum damage by careful spin. And just as he himself says, we live in reality not governed by men’s wishes, fails the test. ( Various largely imaginary shortcomings ---This typification is giving the Uhuruto regime a clean bill of health! I know the kind of criticism CORD has leveled at Jubilee ---I can easily mention 5!? And definitely not imaginary! The comedy has always been that CORD were guilty of the same. ---Like it is not only Jubilee that can take the rap for the failure to take the TJRC [Truth Justice and Reconcilliation Commission] report to the next level! Ng’eno trips on and falls because: a discredited man/CORD can still say truthful things about another/jUBILEE. In other words a rapist can CORRECTLY identify another rapist and call him out. That he is a rapist does not disqualify the truth OF the other BEING a rapist too. The shortcomings of Jubilee are not imaginary, not even the various random ones ever numerated by hypocritical ODM spin doctors. Nay, Actually these failures threaten the stability of the county. EG: We are running on debt and accruing more debt. And we are misusing the loans on consumption ---that is where that unease about the public wage-bill comes from. A debt crisis will threaten any political order. N'geno, partisan, needs a gullible public! There should be no shortage of that in partisan Kenya! 
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 2, 2014 17:59:38 GMT 3
B6K,
Finally ODM comes face-to-face with its long standing enemy, ODM itself. For a long time these guys have messed up things and turned the other way with fingers pointing elsewhere. As one daily aptly put it, this is the moment of truth for the latter day baba na mama party.
What I find intriguing about Raila's pleadings with the team-fresh of Ababu and Joho, is his sudden realization that Nyanza was not well represented in the Ababu team, which all indications were was the winning team. Now, this coming from a man who personally cajoled and tongue-lashed Luo politicians for insistence on some positions going to Nyanza, reveals the two faces of this guy.
It's obvious the man had a preferred list but team-fresh played their politics very well. Matters were not helped by the silent rebellion and inaction of battle-hardened party moguls such as Midiwo, Orengo, Dalmas etc. These are very hard times for ODM, there are only two options: either accept Ababu team as the new party owners or kick them out. We shall be here, as always laughing ourselves silly at this democratic party of Raila Odinga.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by omundu on Mar 2, 2014 21:31:53 GMT 3
Namwamba weighs in www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/03/namwamba-our-odm-rivals-disrupted-polls/I tend to believe that the ODM leadership knew about the MIB beforehand. Namwamba states that they knew about it and informed the leadership. Nothing happened. I tend to think the reason why the Orengos didn't show up is that they knew it would happen. Now, if Namwambas crew were sure beforehand that MIB would suffice, there is no way the leadership wouldn't have been aware. Complicity ? Miujiza haya. I am begining to believe the notion that ODM is indeed its own worst enemy. |
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Post by podp on Mar 2, 2014 23:46:01 GMT 3
Bkichwa, in 2007 they blamed Kibaki and the late Kivuitu with his ECK for stealing the election and justice Gicheru for swearing Kibaki in "at night". In 2013, they blamed Uhuruto & Hassan's IEBC for stealing the election, & the Supreme Court for failing to annul the results. They even shifted the blame to the KDF and accused them of being involved in a military coup at Bomas when they allegedly ejected their agents! Now the MIB have done what they did in broad daylight at Kasarani & it looks like there's no one else left to blame but themselves... His support base has since shifted, and going forward, it is time Raila thought about the kind of politics he wants to engage in. It’s time for him to re-invest himself or otherwise, retire to other things, for he has proved he has the energy and drive. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000104718&story_title=Kenya-raila-it-s-time-to-move-on-to-other-things |
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Post by mank on Mar 3, 2014 2:30:12 GMT 3
Not all were in black  . Regardless, I believe this is a sign that the creativity of never accepting elections results has backed itself up in the system. |
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Post by merkeju on Mar 3, 2014 8:04:33 GMT 3
Ababu Namwamba, Hassan Joho and the team are also to blame for the failed ODM elections, from the start you will have noticed that the leading figures in the team fresh were fighting the same party that they purport to want to lead, how do you openly fight other ODM leaders and expect they will sing Kumbaya after the elections, unless your intention is not to remain in that party.
It has been done before, we have all seen the script before, where those who wants to quit the party creates a situation where they are seen as fighting the status quo, Raila did it before he left KANU with Kalonzo and LDP, Ruto did it before he left ODM same as Mudavadi did it, so now Ababu and Joho are doing it, why form a line up of your team while in a democratic situation the party delegates should have a choice of picking those they want to lead them.
Hon Mwaura stood up and complained when the list of team fresh was circulated on the day elections was to be conducted and it was to influence how delegates were to vote and Mwaura was wondering and i agree, why did team Ababu do that, they were crying about preferred candidates and yet they had a preferred list of their own, what is their end game, how do you threaten the party that you want to lead, why go around the country campaigning and yet their is no election.
Raila took too long to realize that Ruto was creating problems for the party before he acted, he took his time when Mudavadi was acting, now Joho wants to take coast and Ababu western, Ruto already took Rift Valley, what will be left for ODM.
Its time for Raila to come out with fire burning, Ababu team needs to know that ODM is a big party that includes even those who would have lost the elections because we are not enemies but one big family unless you have your own intentions.
As the Ababu team goes around the country selling their party holding the famous rungu ya nyayo which looks like a symbol of their new party, they should be stopped from destroying our party ODM and they should form their own party if they think they are popular.
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Post by omundustrong on Mar 3, 2014 13:09:59 GMT 3
The Men In Black were the making of ODM,how they came in it is only ODM that can explain such lapse should not have been allowed by a party that prides itself on being a National Party.however,let me put a spin on the issue of delegates,it is common knowledge that ODM strong holds were in Western,Coast,and Nyanza,what needed to have been done was to determine the number of delegates on pro rata basis looking at how the counties voted for ODM during the 2013 General Elections.
I can almost bet that all delegates from Central Kenya counties and Rift Valley were URP and TNA sympathisers,what business did they have to determine leadership for the opposition party?Yes,ODM prides itself on being a national party,but then this is just hot air,parties have areas where they draw most of their support and these areas ought to produce more delegates.
Just on a light touch,Kasarani now Safaricom stadium seems to be jinxed,why dont parties try Nyayo National Stadium for a change?Just a thought.
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Post by bkichwa on Mar 5, 2014 19:24:50 GMT 3
I was reading well, then something started to jar! coz I do read carefully. Eric Ng'eno says: No, bikichwa, Ng’eno is a spindoctor from the other side seeking to seize this episode to inflict the maximum damage by careful spin. And just as he himself says, we live in reality not governed by men’s wishes, fails the test. ( Various largely imaginary shortcomings ---This typification is giving the Uhuruto regime a clean bill of health! I know the kind of criticism CORD has leveled at Jubilee ---I can easily mention 5!? And definitely not imaginary! The comedy has always been that CORD were guilty of the same. ---Like it is not only Jubilee that can take the rap for the failure to take the TJRC [Truth Justice and Reconcilliation Commission] report to the next level! Ng’eno trips on and falls because: a discredited man/CORD can still say truthful things about another/jUBILEE. In other words a rapist can CORRECTLY identify another rapist and call him out. That he is a rapist does not disqualify the truth OF the other BEING a rapist too. The shortcomings of Jubilee are not imaginary, not even the various random ones ever numerated by hypocritical ODM spin doctors. Nay, Actually these failures threaten the stability of the county. EG: We are running on debt and accruing more debt. And we are misusing the loans on consumption ---that is where that unease about the public wage-bill comes from. A debt crisis will threaten any political order. N'geno, partisan, needs a gullible public! There should be no shortage of that in partisan Kenya! Jakaswanga, I don't think Eric Ng'eno's intent was to use the ODM election debacle to attempt to white wash Jubilee and its record on governance so far, or even to take away ODM's right to criticize Jubilee on this and other matters. Yes, indeed I agree when you state that a rapist can truthfully and validly point out the same vice in another. I find Ng'eno's take being one of using the ODM fiasco as an excellent opportunity to lucidly illustrate the following facts: 1. That ODM's top leadership comprises fake proponents of democracy and other high ideals that they righteously stake claim to and pontificate on; 2. That their "high-minded rhetoric" and actions are inconsistent polar opposites. A conclusion that is then derived from the above is that their arrogant "high horse" claim to being (and exclusively at that) the owners of the reform agenda in Kenya, is nonsensical and an insult to the intelligence of many. But of course all the above is known to many Kenyans...though not all. The ODM Kasarani election sham provided an opportunity for many more in Kenya to have an epiphany with regard to who the real ODM top leadership is/are and is/are about. |
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Post by bkichwa on Mar 5, 2014 23:16:35 GMT 3
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Post by b6k on Mar 6, 2014 12:13:19 GMT 3
Bkichwa, here is Ngunjiri Wambugu taking on ODM PR man Phil Etale on Jeff Koinange Live. One clearly gets to see why ODM finds itself in such a mess today. It's amazing that the official party PR man can get so abusive to an ex colleague live on TV when telling him to "shut up" on numerous occasions. He can't answer the question why everyone who has worked with RAO has abandoned him in the end. Much like Uhuruto, aka the dynamic duo moved on from ODM and now find themselves running government (making theirs the first ODM government in power), I wouldn't be surprised if the Namwamba faction lead the generational change within ODM that it requires to get itself out of the current morass that it just can't seem to shake itself out of...
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Post by kamalet on Mar 6, 2014 14:57:57 GMT 3
Not all were in black . Regardless, I believe this is a sign that the creativity of never accepting elections results has backed itself up in the system. ...and it is not just elections that they do not accept....now even examination results are contestedwith demands for the resignation of KNEC boss! |
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2014 16:18:03 GMT 3
Whoever is spinning the nonsensical yarn that ODM burnt Sh 32 million tax payer money at Kasarani clearly does not appreciate that political parties fund is money earned. People vote for parties and this money is shared out on the basis of party strength, as a right. It is not an allowance or some sort of allocation that the ODM must account for in the conventional way. Of course political party accounts are audited and published, and ODM has been on the forefront on this.
Maybe we should talk about the public money that TNA officials have stolen and are blaming themselves about. Or when they are likely to have delegates elected at all wards in Kenya, and have them vote at grassroot elections before converging somewhere for an NDC. Bure kabisa.
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Post by omundu on Mar 6, 2014 19:40:48 GMT 3
I have tried to look for an analogy that best describes what one can deduce from some comments here. The closest I can get is from the military parlance - scorched earth policy. When one has nothing to lose or to be proud of that they decide to raze everything to the ground so that the enemy doesn't get anything. Just like hitler did to the captured eastern europe territory when the red army was advancing.
I am not sure if the above fits as an analogy but in psychology an example would be when one tries to fight their inadequacies or in securities by trying to drag the other down to their level.
I wouldn't mind constructive criticism but some comments from others here are more like a juvenile "I told you so, hhahaaahaa" rant. I believe we are a growing democracy and within our democracy, parties are/should be developing to meet ideals. It won't always be smooth sailing and wrangles would suffice. In this context, judgement should be based on how a parties mechanism tries to deal with the issues that arise. I was at the ANC, mangaung conference (just like ODM's) in late 2012 and believe me, the infighting was worse than what we saw at Kasarani. The anc was split into two camps pitting zuma against montlante.they settled their matters internally and life went on. The MIB did what they did and I believe a process has been initiated to get to the bottom of the matter. Let's await to see the results of the process. What I am thankful for is the fact that dissenting voices (no matter how uncouth some were) were heard and have been inc operated into the process in finding a common ground. Whether we prefer creating more posts or not as per the parties constitution, it was brought to the floor and passed by the delegates. This is unlike our ruling coalition that fights unfairly with dissenting voices, even to the point of issuing threats. The leaders even say mta do ? On matters affecting the country like corruption.
I believe that the kasarani event should be approached from a broader angle instead of throwing the kitchen sink at ODM. It is amazing that when the government fcks up, people say its Uhuru's advisers but on matters ODM they jump at Railas throat.
For once, let's judge ODM and whatever happened in comparison to other national or regional parties. I would like the kamales and B6k's of here jukwaa to at least say. ODM did it wrong based on what TNA did or URP did if they ever did anything. Besides, they are the ruling coalition and should lead by example, shouldn't they ?
Currently, with teething problems of course, I think ODM remains at the forefront regionally in the aspiration to attain democratic ideals. Delegates conference is just one example. We should not castigate out of jealousies or other juvenile intents or to prove a point. We should do it to try change how political parties in kenya operate. And believe me, other parties are still waaayyyy behind.
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Post by b6k on Mar 9, 2014 11:07:22 GMT 3
For once, let's judge ODM and whatever happened in comparison to other national or regional parties. I would like the kamales and B6k's of here jukwaa to at least say. ODM did it wrong based on what TNA did or URP did if they ever did anything. Besides, they are the ruling coalition and should lead by example, shouldn't they ? Currently, with teething problems of course, I think ODM remains at the forefront regionally in the aspiration to attain democratic ideals. Delegates conference is just one example. We should not castigate out of jealousies or other juvenile intents or to prove a point. We should do it to try change how political parties in kenya operate. And believe me, other parties are still waaayyyy behind. , I hear what you say but beg to differ. I for one am not judging ODM against it's peers whether locally or regionally primarily because ODM itself has set a very high standard to meet its "democratic" aspirations. What you would like us to do by comparing it with its peers is what I did when comparing grand corruption in KE with grand corruption in the US and took a beating, unjustly in my view, for it. It can be argued that ODM is its own worst enemy. Whether they set their standard so high so as to attract foreign funding from those who are enamored to the "democratic narrative" or whether they truly believe in democracy is up for debate. The debacle at Kasarani seems to point at a party that merely pays lip service to certain ideals but flouts them when the chips are down. When you judge ODM by its own standard it clearly fails to pass muster. One could argue that the other parties that have not embraced similar "democratic" party elections are probably more true to themselves. Parties in KE remain vehicles used to seek power. ODM may have shown its less appealing side that intends to cling onto power even if it means trampling on the very ideals it holds as dear to it. That, my friend is the true scorched earth policy. Methinks Barrack Muluka captured the conundrum ODM finds itself in well when he penned "Raila Odinga should know better, a powerful wind of change is blowing around him". The penalty shoot out advice to the "Son of the Bull" should make sense to he who believes in vitendawili around the great game. If the MIB goons could stoop so low (to paraphrase Namwamba) and do this when ODM is not in power at the national level, one shudders to think what they could unleash on us to ensure they retain power once they secure the highest seat in the land. Kibakí's rendition of Emperor Nero watching Rome burn may be child's play if ever it came to that.... www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000106328&story_title=raila-should-know-better-a-powerful-wind-of-change-is-blowing-around-him/PS: I overheard someone quip recently that ODM is being haunted by spirits following the destruction of the Sikh statue in Kisumu not to long ago. Kenyans! |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 9, 2014 18:31:51 GMT 3
Looks like the matter has started pointing fingers at Raila's door....he did meet the GOONS in Black at Ngong Hills Hotel if this story in the Standard is to be believedThe bigger issue is really why the elections would never have gone ahead with the Joho-Ababu axis taking over! |
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Post by podp on Mar 9, 2014 20:25:07 GMT 3
Looks like the matter has started pointing fingers at Raila's door....he did meet the GOONS in Black at Ngong Hills Hotel if this story in the Standard is to be believedThe bigger issue is really why the elections would never have gone ahead with the Joho-Ababu axis taking over! The following day, the “Men in Black” and their masters met at 3D Restaurant on Elgeyo Marakwet Road from 7 pm. Later in the night, the group relocated to Green House on Ngong Road where they briefly met one of the candidates running for the Secretary General position. About an hour later, the team accompanied the candidate to Ngong Hills Hotel on the same road. At about midnight, the group met Raila at the hotel. The party leader had come to the hotel from a meeting at Kempinski Hotel on Waiyaki Way, Westlands where he had met the Joho-Ababu team. Raila, according to our source, took his dinner before he briefly met the group and asked them to “fuata vile wakubwa wenyu wanasema” (take instructions from your bosses). www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000106394&story_title=revealed-the-inside-story-of-odm-s-men-in-black&pageNo=2There is only one reason why the odious men in black disrupted ODM’s big day: prevent one camp from carrying the day because the election was meant to be won by a different group. But the hirelings damaged more than the chances of one camp winning the election; the carefully cultivated reputation of ODM as a government-in-waiting now lies in ruins. www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/ODM-Polls-Kasarani-Chaos-Raila-Odinga/-/440808/2236196/-/iqeiooz/-/index.html |
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Sensitive, passionate girl! They were not just leading Raila astray, they were leading him to extinction!
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