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Post by Onyango Oloo on May 6, 2014 17:03:42 GMT 3
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Post by OtishOtish on May 6, 2014 20:46:22 GMT 3
The ANC could have gone a different way, but is slowly, and surely, taking the "traditional" path that "liberation" parties in Africa have always taken. And Zuma is leading from front and by example: acquisitions of and dealings with one nubile after another (and don't forget to shower afterwards), swimming pools and amphitheatres for "security" in his village, etc ... all those things that Jomo Kenyatta (Founding Father of the Great ROK) and his friends referred to as "matunda ya uhuru"---to be eaten when fresh and while the eating is good.
The ANC will turn out to be the KANU of South Africa. A pity. |
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Post by jakaswanga on May 7, 2014 22:49:31 GMT 3
The ANC could have gone a different way, but is slowly, and surely, taking the "traditional" path that "liberation" parties in Africa have always taken. And Zuma is leading from front and by example: acquisitions of and dealings with one nubile after another (and don't forget to shower afterwards), swimming pools and amphitheatres for "security" in his village, etc ... all those things that Jomo Kenyatta (Founding Father of the Great ROK) and his friends referred to as "matunda ya uhuru"---to be eaten when fresh and while the eating is good.
The ANC will turn out to be the KANU of South Africa. A pity. Sadly so! What a shame-faced ANC! Blackmailing the electorate with her late legendary heroes! –the martyred saint Hani and the passed-on god Mandela!But really what option does the historic party of liberation have? Her current, actual face is the Mobutist kleptocrat Jacob Zuma and the Ukraine-like super rich Oligarch Cyril Ramaphosa! And they do not look like a crew with ideas about a safe future a nation can chart course to! They originally barred Desmond Tutu from Mandela’s funeral!? Hmmm, what a shameless creed of lowly creatures! a rotted party, but still just has enough historic momentum or goodwill to win the election. But the future, I think they have likely lost that. |
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Post by kamalet on May 8, 2014 13:07:42 GMT 3
So what are the options available to even those not willing to agree with ANC? Hellen Zille or Julius Malema??? Better the devil you know..so said a colleague when I asked her whom she would vote for!
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Post by omundu on May 9, 2014 15:31:03 GMT 3
To those who want to follow the elections live, there is live streaming from the IEC centre all internet linked to the official tallying as they come out second per second. www.news24.com/elections/live/live-election-results-latest-20140509You can even follow the map and click on whatever polling station or province you want updates from. I hope IEBC is watching how proper elections are conducted.That said, there is an article in Jukwaa a while back where we were discussing Zumas boos during Mandelas funeral. I predicted that ANC would hemorrhage. I also predicted that the battle ground (battle of the bulge) would take place in Gauteng. ANC cannot afford to lose it and the DA knows that that is the next battle ground in Zille's strategy to deny ANC a National win in the next decade. Well, in 2009, ANC had 64% of Gauteng. Currently with 98% of the votes counted, the ANC is sitting at 52% followed by the DA at 33% (a forty percent increase from 2009), the EFF follows in third with about 10%. Anyone with a statistics background knows that this is very bad news for the ruling party going into the future. nationally, the ANC stands to lose its 2/3rds majority. They are losing about 4% Nationally. The shock for me is the DA which has gained over 1.1 million new votes this election cycle with over 700 000 of those from the black population. So i guess that helps in answering Kamale's question. |
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Post by kamalet on May 9, 2014 16:53:47 GMT 3
To those who want to follow the elections live, there is live streaming from the IEC centre all internet linked to the official tallying as they come out second per second. www.news24.com/elections/live/live-election-results-latest-20140509You can even follow the map and click on whatever polling station or province you want updates from. I hope IEBC is watching how proper elections are conducted.That said, there is an article in Jukwaa a while back where we were discussing Zumas boos during Mandelas funeral. I predicted that ANC would hemorrhage. I also predicted that the battle ground (battle of the bulge) would take place in Gauteng. ANC cannot afford to lose it and the DA knows that that is the next battle ground in Zille's strategy to deny ANC a National win in the next decade. Well, in 2009, ANC had 64% of Gauteng. Currently with 98% of the votes counted, the ANC is sitting at 52% followed by the DA at 33% (a forty percent increase from 2009), the EFF follows in third with about 10%. Anyone with a statistics background knows that this is very bad news for the ruling party going into the future. nationally, the ANC stands to lose its 2/3rds majority. They are losing about 4% Nationally. The shock for me is the DA which has gained over 1.1 million new votes this election cycle with over 700 000 of those from the black population. So i guess that helps in answering Kamale's question. .....and anyone knowing statistics will know what a 62% vote means in an election of a party doing so badly. ANC did not change the constitution with its 66% in the last 5 years. 5 years ago there was Mandela in the picture that is not there now. We could go on and on...but for now ANC has a clear majority. |
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Post by omundu on May 9, 2014 20:02:53 GMT 3
To those who want to follow the elections live, there is live streaming from the IEC centre all internet linked to the official tallying as they come out second per second. www.news24.com/elections/live/live-election-results-latest-20140509You can even follow the map and click on whatever polling station or province you want updates from. I hope IEBC is watching how proper elections are conducted.That said, there is an article in Jukwaa a while back where we were discussing Zumas boos during Mandelas funeral. I predicted that ANC would hemorrhage. I also predicted that the battle ground (battle of the bulge) would take place in Gauteng. ANC cannot afford to lose it and the DA knows that that is the next battle ground in Zille's strategy to deny ANC a National win in the next decade. Well, in 2009, ANC had 64% of Gauteng. Currently with 98% of the votes counted, the ANC is sitting at 52% followed by the DA at 33% (a forty percent increase from 2009), the EFF follows in third with about 10%. Anyone with a statistics background knows that this is very bad news for the ruling party going into the future. nationally, the ANC stands to lose its 2/3rds majority. They are losing about 4% Nationally. The shock for me is the DA which has gained over 1.1 million new votes this election cycle with over 700 000 of those from the black population. So i guess that helps in answering Kamale's question. .....and anyone knowing statistics will know what a 62% vote means in an election of a party doing so badly. ANC did not change the constitution with its 66% in the last 5 years. 5 years ago there was Mandela in the picture that is not there now. We could go on and on...but for now ANC has a clear majority. Bwana Kamale. Let's not start down this road. Its a quagmire. I am writing this while sitting with worried ANC branch members in midrand who already have e-mailed mandates from the NEC at Luthuli house (I don't need to divulge more). And the worry is not about we await the next elections to out steal or out perform the other. This is not kenya with our village mentality of "Raila will never be pork hook or crook". You make the mistake of applying kenya's mentality to the rest of the world. This is a place that does not understand that barbaric tribal; eeehhh we will make a plan next time. It is a place in touch with modern systems. The ANC has researches (me included) that does things with policy twenty years down the line and they do realize that their policies in Gauteng this past five years has made them lose over eleven percent in the most important economic province in africa. If you cannot understand how losing Gauteng will sound the death knell of ANC Nationally, then I think you are wasting our brain cells trying to explain to you. If you also don't understand the aspect of time in all this then my previous sentence still applies. Why do people have to explain things to you like you are a child ? I am here with very worried people. I can guarantee you that even during the campaigns there was major infighting between the National body and the Gauteng branch who were trying to distance themselves from Zuma. I can guarantee you there will be a major reshuffle in the Gauteng legislature and they are trying to come up with a different policy suiting gauteng (not just delivering houses but press etc so people can see that they are doing work). What if I told you that just because of Gauteng, Zuma (if he continues) may never finnish his five years ? Dude, this is not village politics that you are used to in kenya. It is the big leagues. |
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Post by omundu on May 9, 2014 20:13:42 GMT 3
Do you know how many people in the Gauteng branch havnt even been paid in five months ? Do you know how angry most of those BEE (Black Economic Empowerment) tendepreneurs are after being looked down upon by the Zuma click calling them "the clever bright ones don't vote ANC" are ?
I repeat, it is a quagmire.
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Post by einstein on May 10, 2014 21:45:42 GMT 3
.....and anyone knowing statistics will know what a 62% vote means in an election of a party doing so badly. ANC did not change the constitution with its 66% in the last 5 years. 5 years ago there was Mandela in the picture that is not there now. We could go on and on...but for now ANC has a clear majority. Bwana Kamale. Let's not start down this road. Its a quagmire. I am writing this while sitting with worried ANC branch members in midrand who already have e-mailed mandates from the NEC at Luthuli house (I don't need to divulge more). And the worry is not about we await the next elections to out steal or out perform the other. This is not kenya with our village mentality of "Raila will never be pork hook or crook". You make the mistake of applying kenya's mentality to the rest of the world. This is a place that does not understand that barbaric tribal; eeehhh we will make a plan next time. It is a place in touch with modern systems. The ANC has researches (me included) that does things with policy twenty years down the line and they do realize that their policies in Gauteng this past five years has made them lose over eleven percent in the most important economic province in africa. If you cannot understand how losing Gauteng will sound the death knell of ANC Nationally, then I think you are wasting our brain cells trying to explain to you. If you also don't understand the aspect of time in all this then my previous sentence still applies. Why do people have to explain things to you like you are a child ?I am here with very worried people. I can guarantee you that even during the campaigns there was major infighting between the National body and the Gauteng branch who were trying to distance themselves from Zuma. I can guarantee you there will be a major reshuffle in the Gauteng legislature and they are trying to come up with a different policy suiting gauteng (not just delivering houses but press etc so people can see that they are doing work). What if I told you that just because of Gauteng, Zuma (if he continues) may never finnish his five years ? Dude, this is not village politics that you are used to in kenya. It is the big leagues. People have to explain things to Kamale like he were a child because to him that is the core of an intellectual discourse or debate if you will. So, keep it up man! Explain stuff to him like he were a child. Some of us gave up on him ages ago. |
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Post by kamalet on May 11, 2014 17:12:09 GMT 3
Omundu
As an ANC researcher, you cannot be doing very well for ANC, if you actually sat in there as Gauteng was nearly lost.
My Point is simple. ANC now has a clear majority to run the government - that you cannot argue. No one is arguing the point that ANC did not get the desired 66% of the national vote (something I was hoping does not happen). With this in mind, ANC cannot also be a bunch of nutters like those sitting in CORD if I have to borrow the Kenyan example. They surely know that the slipping majority is an indication of their letting down their supporters. They cannot seat on their hands and do nothing and hope they will regain popularity with patriotic songs at rallies. I believe they will take a postmortem of the recently concluded elections and correct their errors.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on May 12, 2014 14:26:57 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on May 16, 2014 21:56:45 GMT 3
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