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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 16, 2014 11:37:45 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Jun 16, 2014 12:17:12 GMT 3
So Lake Kenyatta is to (or partly to) blame for the Mpeketoni tragedy? Oloo, I see very little or no relationship with the two!
I highly doubt that Al shabaab who are blamed for the attack have any special issue with kikuyu settlers of Lamu!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 16, 2014 12:19:53 GMT 3
Kamale:
Thanks for your prompt feedback.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 16, 2014 14:52:24 GMT 3
For those who read it before, please press reload/refresh because I have updated it, including my take on the content free blatherings of Ole Lenku in his mockery of a media briefing. I have also included some pictures which I must warn beforehand may a bit disturbing.
OO
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 16, 2014 19:22:52 GMT 3
Double O Yo! I have just had a first, fast read. I am kind of rushing to catch the Germany - Portugal football match, so it could be something I genuinely missed, or in my haste overlooked --in which case I will apologise later. It is like this: This is an Al-Shabaab attack. Al-Shabaab does not do Kenyan INTERNAL stuff like land and other historical justices. Your article is not a foreign policy investigation vis Somalia, ---I put Al-Shabaab under foreign policy repercussions. From the way you parade your non-surprise, one could have the ( logical inclination) suspicion that you are developing a thesis which explains this Mpeketoni atrocity as an INTERNAL DYNAMIC!? A premise likely to dismiss AL-Shabaab's claim of responsibility (which I have just seen in a twitter feed). Do you get my problem?
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 16, 2014 19:31:45 GMT 3
Somewhere on this SabaSaba thread jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/9068/countdown-sabasaba-confirms-nationwide-rallies I insist Uhuru Kenyatta is being set up by the many minions acting as pawns for dark forces in his regime with an agenda far from the President's interests. And he should be warned, and be saved from them. In deed the innuendo of internal secretary Ole Lenku was read plane by Kenyans. He linked Raila Odinga to the attack! Oloo that is not laughable! This is the minister for the interior under whose auspices the police and Gichangi's outfit operates. And Raila is the leader of the opposition. And Al-Shabaab is a listed terrorist organisation, locally and internationally. Either Ole Lenku is a complete moron with no idea nor sense of what he implies, or he is under siege and forced to intimate this. ---Whichever the case Uhuru Kenyatta as President has to move in here. Unless he believes this is to his interest. I am seeing on social media, even opponents of Raila think Ole Lenku is better off running chique hotels where tourists come to indulge their paedophilic preferences on Kenyan child prostitutes. That is where he excelled I gather.
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Post by kamalet on Jun 16, 2014 20:18:42 GMT 3
Having read a bit more on the attack it would appear this was an attack on the people of Lake Kenyatta. I may owe Oloo an apology
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 16, 2014 22:19:11 GMT 3
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Post by abdulmote on Jun 16, 2014 22:20:34 GMT 3
This Ole lenku fellow is so juvenile, incompetent and dangerous, Uhuru should get rid of him as soon as possible, before his actions sets this country on fire that should not have been!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 16, 2014 22:54:36 GMT 3
Having read a bit more on the attack it would appear this was an attack on the people of Lake Kenyatta. I may owe Oloo an apology Cryptic Kamalet! you can be such a master of the stiff upper lip! Loosen up a bit man! which bee do you now have under your bonnet!?
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 16, 2014 23:02:13 GMT 3
This is getting dangerous Oloo! I am like a hyena pursuing two parties at different villages! I have a laptop on my lap, typing blind as I watch Nigeria vs iran! --This is oil versus Oil, a commentator is saying! he will be in trouble in the morning papers!
But this angle you beseech me to remember opens a can of worms. Historical grievances adopted by a competent religious ideologues in the absence of secular leadership, is no walk over. I am thinking of Hezbollah, Hamas. Competent leaderships confining secular alternatives to irrelevance!
But let me go through the homework you gave.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 16, 2014 23:19:38 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Jun 17, 2014 13:20:27 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 17, 2014 16:34:37 GMT 3
Kamale:I know you are a Nairobi resident. I am not sure if you are in Kenya as we speak. But this is what someone I met around Psys (the former Hooters close to Simmers and 680 around City Hall) was telling me about 25 minutes ago when I asked him what was his take on the SECOND attack in Lamu County last night: "Both of these are Jubilee operations I am now convinced. Ole Lenku goes to Mpeketoni and then there is another outrage? It just does not make sense! The government is looking for a ruse to arrest Raila!"Do you find that remotely credible? I personally don't. But you never know. Here is a piece by George Morara in Kenya Today. Now I know TWO George Moraras both human rights activists. But they have both told me several times that are literally dozens of males named after the late politician who first carried that name: www.kenya-today.com/opinion/national-dialogue-terrorism-kenyaIn both instances, Al Shabaab has come out officially to CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY.For someone to believe either the Kamale/Ole Lenku version or the the Jubilee-is-to-Blame conspiracy theory, then we must give it to Al Shabaab for INFILTRATING BOTH CORD AND JUBILEE, since for either story to be plausible, there must be a bi-partisan partnership of terror between Al Shabaab and the government and the opposition in organizing the Lamu attacks. First, they carry out a mission with/on behalf of CORD and then a day later, to even things out, they decide to do the government a huge favour by partnering with Jubilee. If we care at all for the victims and survivors of Mpeketoni, we should stop insulting their intelligence.Here are two links to the second attack: www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27882084www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000125045/eight-killed-in-fresh-attacks-in-poromoko-near-mpeketoniOnyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 17, 2014 16:46:06 GMT 3
Incidentally, a credible source tells me that the GSU have been deployed to areas like Mathare and Kibera.
Anybody out there to confirm this?
OO
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 17, 2014 17:10:03 GMT 3
Extraordinary. It is not unusual for people to blame "foreign terrorists" for home-grown nastiness. But it is certainly unusual for terrorists to claim responsibility for heinous attacks only to have have a leader (president) tell them that they are lying and that the nastiness is home-grown.
And then we have the curious Mr. Ole Lenku:
www.nation.co.ke/news/15-killed-in-fresh-Mpeketoni-attack/-/1056/2351236/-/n9dijqz/-/index.html
'Interior Cabinet Secretary Joseph Ole Lenku initially said the attackers destroyed Safaricom communication equipment before they undertook the new killings.
He said by paralysing communication, the attackers are sophisticated and seemed to know what they were doing.
"This is an elaborate war," he said.'
But then it turns out that the "war" might not be so elaborate:
"However, Mr Lenku later clarified that the Safaricom outage in Mpeketoni as caused by power failure and inaccessibility of alternative fuel following the attack."
Amidst this exploding-lightbulb-bomb confusion, the president assures the country that the government had prior "intelligence" about the attacks. Even with all that "intelligence", we had this during the first attack:
'Inspector General David Kimaiyo stated that they were yet to be furnished with details of the situation but confirmed the attack.
“We do not have full information on the incident and we are still trying to reach our officers at the moment,” he told the Nation in a phone interview.'
www.nation.co.ke/news/Explosion-and-gunfire-in-Mpeketoni-police-battle-attackers/-/1056/2349852/-/tlhbjt/-/index.html What's more, this second attack comes after people had been told that:
"On Monday, contingents of regular and Administration Police with the support of the paramilitary General Service Unit, were dispatched to comb forests in the area in the hunt for the killers."
www.nation.co.ke/news/Mpeketoni-Lamu-Attack-Terrorism-Coast/-/1056/2351072/-/6jhh64/-/index.html
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 17, 2014 17:30:58 GMT 3
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Post by bkichwa on Jun 17, 2014 17:47:31 GMT 3
Incidentally, a credible source tells me that the GSU have been deployed to areas like Mathare and Kibera. Anybody out there to confirm this? OOYes, I heard this on the 3pm radio news bulletin. These have been explained as the other "hot spot" areas where security intelligence indicates similar Mpeketoni-type attack plans have been laid and are to be implemented. The GSU reinforcements are therefore preemptive actions given this intelligence at hand.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 17, 2014 22:41:48 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktn/video/watch/2000079938/-president-uhuru-kenyatta-full-speech-on-mpeketoni-attack www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru---Political-groups-to-blame-for-Mpeketoni-killings/-/1056/2351554/-/jvmp24/-/index.html AAAh Wakubwa! Kamalet and Oloo,At long last the cat is out of the bag! You guys were kind of speaking in tongues. Uhuru Kenyatta too, is speaking in tongues! (I have since found other Kenyans who called the spade a spade .. like these quoted by the BBC .. And here is the president too scared to face it on,and call it Gikuyu ethnic cleansing!: NB: Guys how would I do if I used the same phrase to describe the recent security pogrom [USALAMA NYUMBANI was it?]which targeted SOMALIS and turned into one great extortion racket by the police! hE hE! Would I not sound like Aden Duale speaking in Somali at Eastleigh the other day when he threatened to ditch Jubilee!Further the president is punishing the low level officers who were negligent on the scene! They had prior intelligence and failed to lay a trap? Or an attack of this nature would have demanded a more robust force than a regular police work? –something heavier, like an anti-terrorist crack unit? (punishing traffic cops more used to extolling bribes from drunken motorists for failing to fight off the superior fire of a well-planned military attack, looks shady scapegoat office politics to me! Where were the re-enforcements? or the alternative power supply to Safaricom call center in case of a blackout --which ended up happening !! My hunch tells me the Mpeketoni attack is a jig-saw of a thousand pieces still up there in the air. But there is no doubt that the planner has a chilling understanding of Kenyan politics. 1. The timing is also extraordinary in the run to SabaSaba. It also means, that the KDF forces in Somalia, recognise nobody in Nairobi is thinking about Somalia and its fwacking turmoil. There are bigger priorities in Nairobi. Somali is far, far away, out of sight, out of mind ---when is the last time you saw a report in parliament which looked like acknowledging we are at war in Somalia, and war is serious business?) 2. We have seen killings in Baragoi, and we have seen killings in Tana, and there are schools closed in Baringo or some other place like that as we speak as ethnic mayhem goes unabated. But the president never came out like this! The heat! The wild generalisations! The threats! The warnings! It is like a man on a made mission ---worked over or pimped up by some savvy PR guru! This is like like his 9/11 moment which Westgate Mall was not!Uhuru talks like a man walking us toward a state of emergency. That would be the day, would a duo of ICC indictees who in the mind of half the country were rigged into power, steam roll over the constitution to rule Kenya by State of Emergency! Behold --Lord! as they clamp down on the opposition and rule for 20 years of uninterrupted Hosanna Hosanna!? Well, if the security chiefs forced the president to pay anglo-leasing the other day; did not bother to warn his family off Westgate the other year; have continued to shroud their tenders in opacity despite Uhuruto’s public tears, I do not see why they would not make a quandary of of the CIC if it suits them best. War on terror abroad/across, war on terror at home! Who wants to question defence/security budgets under such nation-threatening times? And how many useless presidency’s have been made by wars? Very tempting to manufacture one …. There is even a Hollywood movie about one such! The crisis deepens, the plot thickens! Incidentally, a credible source tells me that the GSU have been deployed to areas like Mathare and Kibera. Anybody out there to confirm this? OOYes, I heard this on the 3pm radio news bulletin. These have been explained as the other "hot spot" areas where security intelligence indicates similar Mpeketoni-type attack plans have been laid and are to be implemented. The GSU reinforcements are therefore preemptive actions given this intelligence at hand.
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Post by abdulmote on Jun 18, 2014 0:07:39 GMT 3
This is not looking good: www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Mpeketoni-attack-opposition-kikuyu-/-/440808/2352388/-/sm6r1wz/-/index.htmlOur government seems to be getting into a panic mode. Nay, our president seems to be getting into a panic mode. This is not good. I pray for an immediate intervention. I don't know who from or by, but intervention must come in to our rescue. Our nation's peace is under threat once again. When the leadership panics, anarchy may find the dreaded opportunity to thrive. I just hope and pray cool heads prevail.
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Post by b6k on Jun 18, 2014 16:18:41 GMT 3
It is like this: This is an Al-Shabaab attack. Al-Shabaab does not do Kenyan INTERNAL stuff like land and other historical justices. Your article is not a foreign policy investigation vis Somalia, ---I put Al-Shabaab under foreign policy repercussions. From the way you parade your non-surprise, one could have the ( logical inclination) suspicion that you are developing a thesis which explains this Mpeketoni atrocity as an INTERNAL DYNAMIC!? A premise likely to dismiss AL-Shabaab's claim of responsibility (which I have just seen in a twitter feed). Do you get my problem? If the problem is political does that mean it's purely local? Couldn't there be a possibility of local political interests converging with regional (geo-political) gripes given that at least one people did have tenure both locally & regionally, so to speak? Import/impose the "Lake Kenyatta" implants & add religion into the mix, as OO has ably done, and what do you have? I'm a getting outta here...
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 19, 2014 21:47:17 GMT 3
2. We have seen killings in Baragoi, and we have seen killings in Tana, and there are schools closed in Baringo or some other place like that as we speak as ethnic mayhem goes unabated. But the president never came out like this! The heat! The wild generalisations! The threats! The warnings! It is like a man on a made mission ---worked over or pimped up by some savvy PR guru! .... And how many useless presidency’s have been made by wars? Very tempting to manufacture one …. There is even a Hollywood movie about one such!
Exactly. Uhuru's words---rarely do actions follow the words, but this could be different---make little sense only if one considers him President of Kenya. But the fellow got to where he is largely because (a) at "home" he was seen as a Great Hero, having saved his Our People at a "critical time", and (b) he realized that he and Ruto would have to hang together or hang separately, as one might say. (Ruto too is a Great Hero to his Our People: "finally! a Real Samoei with a final solution to the problem of our stolen land!")
(a) has helped greatly in his battle with the ICC:
* NIS, NSAC, etc. have been very shy with information about him but, for a while anyway, were quite liberal with anything to do with Ruto. And I would not be surprised if the NIS has been "helpful" in locating witnesses and assisting with sorting them out, with cash or bullets. We certainly know that NIS folks have been thrown out of meetings between victims and their representatives and that this has been reported to the court.
* The attorney-general's office has especially worked hard on his behalf. Oga Chief-Oh noted this while kicking him in the nuts. It was a subtle point that may have been missed by many: in a footnote, he stated that although Prof. Mortician had been granted status as a "friend of the court", it would be better to describe him as an "intervener". (In the rest of his opinion, he uses the latter term, in contrast with his colleagues, who use the former.)
There is also the fact that lately even some Uhuruto supporters have stated doubts about how the pair is going about some things.
A "bigger picture" view?
If one takes a look from the angle of cold power, Uhuru's actions actually make sense:
* Any support he might have lost from some of his Our People is readily regained if circumstances require that they be "saved" again. (Doubts about the Saviour must be shelved until the crisis is over, and that could take ....)
* Past the ICC issue, Ruto is actually dispensable. The power of presidential incumbency in Africa is such that there are no doubt others who are ready to step in for their share of the eating.
* Regardless of ideas about the new constitution, Uhuru can in fact manage 10 years and more simply by relying on "core strengths" (which include the "right people" in the "right places"; if you want nusu mkate, go bake your own loaf).
* Some deterioration in the state of affairs, especially in security, actually "helps" him. If tough measures and some cracking of heads are required, they will be easy (or easier) to justify. (In such matters, it is important to ensure that members of the General Service Unit---some service!---are already "in place".)
* Any hope that the judiciary might help must be tempered with reality. Digital emasculation will be a bit more subtle that the Love-Peace-and-Unity type: accuse the judiciary of helping terrorism, and it will take note and "do the right thing". (This of course requires some "terrorism", whence the "intelligence" but no corresponding "action". But it must be "directed terrorism". Tana River, Baragoi, Baringo ... won't do. No Our People to be saved in those places.)
* Etc.
Yes, Our People are no more than cannon fodder in this Great Game, but cannon fodder is not called cannon fodder for nothing. And what better than willing cannon fodder: Our Man, come hell or high water.
Some of the signs of what is to come (if it does come) are already there and in a very Nyayoistic way:
* People are told that they cannot hold meetings in certain regions.
* People are arrested for "illegal assembly". (The number of people in the "assembly" is less than what one might have at a good dinner.)
* Leaflets arrive, telling people that they must leave within a certain period.
Yogi Berra wasn't the smoothest with words, but he got to the point:
"It's like déjà vu all over again!"
Moi was never in danger of being called the Biggest Brain On The Block, but he had the sort of low-level animal cunning that helps a petty criminal survive on the streets, where an "educated brain" would come to grief. And on his watch, many did come to grief, except for those who sucked his .... [forgot what I wanted to write there]. Well, the Teacher (later upgraded to Professor) had some students, and one of them is now a Head Boy who has not forgotten his lessons. In a car, it would be wise to put on one's seatbelt.
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