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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 12, 2014 16:09:46 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 12, 2014 18:47:20 GMT 3
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Post by OtishOtish on Jul 12, 2014 22:45:25 GMT 3
We wish you a quick recovery, Comrade Oloo. Sorry to hear about this; fighting greed and corruption in some places can be very dangerous.
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Post by ebarasi on Jul 13, 2014 6:37:22 GMT 3
Pole Ndugu Oloo, Wish you well. This surely proves that the struggle against unfettered greed is still on. So, the church is busy selling plots in heaven while it is not willing to relinquish the plots they possess on earth?
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 13, 2014 15:04:44 GMT 3
Pole Ndugu Oloo, Wish you well. This surely proves that the struggle against unfettered greed is still on. So, the church is busy selling plots in heaven while it is not willing to relinquish the plots they possess on earth? Pole sana Oloo. A close shave seeing the arrow was not poisoned. The Christian Church in Africa of course fore-ran one of the greatest land-grabs in Africa: the colonial seizure. And I see the remnants are still at it, this time not for God King and Empire, but for themselves. I would not be surprised, seeing the President's recent statement, to find the PCEA too have benefited from the recent charity of Ngilu's lost and found files. Ebarasi: you reckon a plot at hand on earth is worth 2 in heaven for the church!? if the church leadership has such little faith, what now with the flock!? Genya  ! as the former Kenyan Njakip would smirk! |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 13, 2014 17:09:50 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 13, 2014 18:11:52 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 13, 2014 18:15:24 GMT 3
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Post by ebarasi on Jul 14, 2014 5:24:25 GMT 3
Pole Ndugu Oloo, Wish you well. This surely proves that the struggle against unfettered greed is still on. So, the church is busy selling plots in heaven while it is not willing to relinquish the plots they possess on earth? Pole sana Oloo. A close shave seeing the arrow was not poisoned. The Christian Church in Africa of course fore-ran one of the greatest land-grabs in Africa: the colonial seizure. And I see the remnants are still at it, this time not for God King and Empire, but for themselves. I would not be surprised, seeing the President's recent statement, to find the PCEA too have benefited from the recent charity of Ngilu's lost and found files. Ebarasi: you reckon a plot at hand on earth is worth 2 in heaven for the church!? if the church leadership has such little faith, what now with the flock!? Genya ! as the former Kenyan Njakip would smirk! Jakaswanga, Ngilu's antics find favor with her charitable benefactors. Make no mistake, there are mysteriously missing files at Ardhi house but there are also false documents there. To find those files and distinguish them apart, one had to be trained on what was an authentic document and what was not. So how many false documents did the audit reveal? Was there an open recruitment for those who would do this job? Were they trained? By whom and when? Why were not other organizations involved in both debating and formulating land policy involved? Was there transparency and accountability? Anyone who praises Ngilu surely sells themselves cheap. These questions are at the core of what happened at Ardhi house. A scam right under our noses. The bible is a wonderful book but these men and women of the cloth have become the most established con artists. The only mission the church has is to sell those plots in heaven. Now if they do not value them that high and would rather stay on earth than buy a ticket to that glorious kingdom why the heck does the congregation go back time and again? Could the flock just be lost and in search of real salvation? |
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Post by kamalet on Jul 14, 2014 11:06:20 GMT 3
This is a very simple matter!
If the developer has broken any environmental or riparian law (and these laws do exist) then the right thing would be to go the institutions empowered to enforce the law - County Government of Nairobi who give planning permission and NEMA which is charged with matters environmental.
Now if this institutions fail to enforce the law, then there is recourse to the courts to get them to have the laws enforced.
It should only be on the failure of these institutions should the law of the jungle prevail.
No evidence has been shown that the so called activists had followed the legal course before engaging with goons protecting a developer! They can expect little sympathy from a law abiding citizen like me!!
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Post by podp on Jul 14, 2014 12:17:46 GMT 3
This is a very simple matter! If the developer has broken any environmental or riparian law (and these laws do exist) then the right thing would be to go the institutions empowered to enforce the law - County Government of Nairobi who give planning permission and NEMA which is charged with matters environmental. Now if this institutions fail to enforce the law, then there is recourse to the courts to get them to have the laws enforced. It should only be on the failure of these institutions should the law of the jungle prevail. No evidence has been shown that the so called activists had followed the legal course before engaging with goons protecting a developer! They can expect little sympathy from a law abiding citizen like me!! I do agree with you here. in 2001 although he had not meant to die, Briat's action was designed to highlight the danger of these transportations and green groups yesterday said that his death showed how easily things could go wrong. Campaigners asked how it was that despite claims that security was high all the way along the track, no one had spotted the presence of Briat and his colleagues. www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/10/worlddispatch.francethereafter France adopted German style of dealing with protestors who dared cement themselves on railway line. they would remove them from the rail but charge them for the cost of doing so and any other costs courts would provide. this lead to protestors changing tact and in 2004 I remember local opposition umbrella group reported police injuring 146 protesters, 11 of whom needed hospital treatment, four for serious head injuries. About a hundred demonstrators were detained during the night. de.indymedia.org/2006/11/161877.shtmllater from 2010 to present both sides got more civil and a spokesman for a local anti-nuclear group, said blockades aimed "to delay the arrival of the shipment and at the same time mess up the timetable for the (government's) nuclear policy." He called on both sides to refrain from violence. Read more: www.ctvnews.ca/german-riot-police-clash-with-anti-nuke-protesters-1.571672#ixzz37QqtWE9a so coming up to our land issues we need to have no violence unless all the legal ways have been exhausted |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 14, 2014 16:51:55 GMT 3
Kamale:
Why do you ALWAYS defend the indefensible?
What law did we break by walking along the very public Peponi Road when the PCEA goons attacked us with machetes, bows and arrows and other crude weapons?
Why did the police stop construction work?
Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut even if you do not want to raise your voice against criminal violence perpetrated by armed goons in the employ of a religious land grabber.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 14, 2014 16:57:08 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 14, 2014 17:06:52 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 14, 2014 23:53:25 GMT 3
Oloo and his Nipate friends, I was wondering what it was that I was missing in the obsessive negativity, and the self-defeatist put-downs bordering on self-hate, in which Nipate so excels and parades all the more when TNT Onyango Oloo explodes upon them. Oloo Japyong’yang’ is to some of them what a red lap is to a wounded and enraged bull in those arenas of Mexico or Spain. I think many of them are diaspora kids, and they are educated alright. But they have fallen into the mental trap of romanticised ghetto culture. They rather compete at anal exhaust expulsion sounds, than in systematic cerebral logic. They have not discovered the joys of intellectual engagement, the kind of pleasure which addicts people to solving puzzles, reading detectives, studying mathematics, arguing factually. They are like adolescents addicted to lonely masturbation because of fear of the other, real or imagined inadequacy, or just plane ignorance of the joys of comely communion with the other, opposite sex or not. It is a ghetto mentality often the subject of films set in the Black and Hispanic socially retarded districts of America. The whole class is bent on self-destruction defending fictitious and backward realities –or myopic constructions of identities. Machismo and ethnic codes of honour are rated high, yet their expression is extremely anti-intellect, and only serve as one way tickets to drug den fates. I remember long ago, ads part of an assignment –I do not remember which module that was in US gang culture--, was to seriously watch episode three of The Wire, tackling the educational system. Here is a former cop teaching maths in such a – Nipate like- class. he aint getting anywhere much … But still, somebody gotta learn the math coz whether they will be selling ass or cocaine or whatever sh!t, someone still gotta count and gotta think out a business plan. And business plans, whether running drugs or supermarkets, works out the same profit [math] function. So gotta do math whatever you do! --To earn is to count your worth! But watch them treat the math teacher like scum! It is their ghetto minds committing pure suicide. Clever black boys in Baltimore doomed to vermin-hood. A doom in which they valiantly participate, like tadpoles in a drying pond. --- That is Nipate mostly!Yes, Nipate has clever guys, but clever guys addicted to stupidity and negativity are essentially perfect morons. Not that they know it. Remains a pity though, such a waste of brains. Hurts my pedagogic, even pedantic instincts. It is like watching a great beauty, a lithely thing which could have been a trip- wire in bed, hanging limp in committed suicide. --What a waste of good pus-sy, a healthy male will obviously weep! As a Kenyan teacher, I weep for the wasting brains in Nipate. Totally ghetto weirdos, stunted and exultant in their own mental putrefaction. Deep ass geeks of semenised rectums! |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 15, 2014 13:42:41 GMT 3
Protest Letter to PCEA Moderator Rt. Rev. David Gathanju on Destruction of Kibagare Wetland
July 14, 2014 at 4:08am
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 15, 2014 13:52:01 GMT 3
Oloo and his Nipate friends, I was wondering what it was that I was missing in the obsessive negativity, and the self-defeatist put-downs bordering on self-hate, in which Nipate so excels and parades all the more when TNT Onyango Oloo explodes upon them. Oloo Japyong’yang’ is to some of them what a red lap is to a wounded and enraged bull in those arenas of Mexico or Spain....TRUNCATED...Deep ass geeks of semenised rectums! The folks at Nipate have this to say to you: nipate.com/jakaswaga-on-nipate-deep-ass-geeks-of-semenised-rectums-t43543.html |
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Post by kamalet on Jul 15, 2014 14:44:32 GMT 3
Kamale:Why do you ALWAYS defend the indefensible? What law did we break by walking along the very public Peponi Road when the PCEA goons attacked us with machetes, bows and arrows and other crude weapons? Why did the police stop construction work? Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut even if you do not want to raise your voice against criminal violence perpetrated by armed goons in the employ of a religious land grabber. Onyango Oloo Oloo Spare me the holier than thou attitude that you were passing by the church and were attacked!!! Look at the media reports you quote and the lot of you are described as "Protesters" who attempted to reclaim stolen land by the PCEA church. This is not the sam as "...by walking long the very public Peponi Road..." You need to allow us some commonsense and brains - we can see through what you were trying to do! |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 15, 2014 15:57:08 GMT 3
Kamale:
Fortunately, I did not have to RELY on newspaper accounts about the events of Saturday.
I was there in person being shot by an arrow and I filed a report, written in real time, within AN HOUR of the incident and Jukwaa is one of the very first places where I posted my account of what had just taken place. Had I wanted to, I would have embellished it, exaggerating my injuries and so on. I did nothing of the kind.
Of course, like I mentioned here recently, your responses to my threads are ALMOST ALWAYS IDEOLOGICAL.
So, you have a world outlook, a class position, a political vantage point-backward and reactionary as it is-to DEFEND and I for, one, do NOT BLAME you or begrudge you for that infernal mean spirited DISTORTION of an actual physical attack on my person.
On the contrary, I ADMIRE your verve and persistence in standing up for land grabbers and the armed murderous goons they hire.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 15, 2014 21:33:32 GMT 3
PCEA STANDS ACCUSED OF HAVING GRABBED LAND!When I heard the word Land, I reacted as Goebbels is reputed to have always done when he heard the word culture. Land is an explosive issue in Kenya. It is linked to so much historical injustice, so much pent up dangerous fury, so much official corruption, that even in Lamu now, land is at the center of the security quagmire. (some are called wageni, some wenyeji, and between the two, a hateful mix of politics.) Oloo’s close shave with the arrow of god  ---I can not find any soul to blame but God in this episode, reminded me surreptitiously of the late land activist Moses Ole Mpoe. Actually a Maasai martyr in that cause. I could not miss the open goal irony, that God was using Maasai (goon) hands to protect STOLEN LAND. Yes indeed. Bear with me here. The Maasai and Land. One would have thought, against his instincts, that the Maasai of all goons would be very wary of being recruited to defend stolen lands, even if the thief is God! He He! But of course reality is, the de-politicised lumpem are for hire by the highest bidder. In correct lingo, their consciousness is mercenary. God, offering heaven (albeit after death), redemption, forgiveness and all that stuff in the Holy Book, wins the auction of their loyalties I suppose. (All I am avoiding saying by that God stuff is, the landed gentry running Kenya, as inheritors to the pillaged Maasai lands, have a perfect goon, hiring the Ole Lenku's to stand guard their stolen land!) NB: PEV in which half a million were expelled from the Rift Valley was, if you ask me, a land problem. So when Oloo reported his mishap, and the issue is land, all this stuff passed through my mind, and demanded the incident be put in historical context. And I expected equivalent efforts from correspondents elsewhere, to complete the picture. Unfortunately when I followed Oloo’s link to Nipate, what I found was .. eh mmm .. Yes, columns and columns of geekish colons, ruminating fecal matter laced with seed. And this matter they put deep in their mouths to foul their speech! Damn! Oloo and his Nipate friends, I was wondering what it was that I was missing in the obsessive negativity, and the self-defeatist put-downs bordering on self-hate, in which Nipate so excels and parades all the more when TNT Onyango Oloo explodes upon them. Oloo Japyong’yang’ is to some of them what a red lap is to a wounded and enraged bull in those arenas of Mexico or Spain....TRUNCATED...Deep ass geeks of semenised rectums! The folks at Nipate have this to say to you: nipate.com/jakaswaga-on-nipate-deep-ass-geeks-of-semenised-rectums-t43543.html |
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Post by podp on Jul 16, 2014 9:29:53 GMT 3
Kamale:Fortunately, I did not have to RELY on newspaper accounts about the events of Saturday.I was there in person being shot by an arrow and I filed a report, written in real time, within AN HOUR of the incident and Jukwaa is one of the very first places where I posted my account of what had just taken place. Had I wanted to, I would have embellished it, exaggerating my injuries and so on. I did nothing of the kind.Of course, like I mentioned here recently, your responses to my threads are ALMOST ALWAYS IDEOLOGICAL.So, you have a world outlook, a class position, a political vantage point-backward and reactionary as it is-to DEFEND and I for, one, do NOT BLAME you or begrudge you for that infernal mean spirited DISTORTION of an actual physical attack on my person. On the contrary, I ADMIRE your verve and persistence in standing up for land grabbers and the armed murderous goons they hire. Onyango Oloo 1st red high light hope and if it is not true, you also reported to Kenya Police (Parklands would be the relevant station so do is Spring Valley Police Station). then have a P3 for duly filled and just as selfies are an in thing take as many of the wound as you can so the the healing progression is clear even if it is a scar left after many moons. see 62.24.109.6/Paralegals.asp for such a form which is not sold so do not pay anyone a bribe to get it nor let anyone intimidate you to have it duly filled. you may even post one here once duly filled. as the Amnesty Report released yesterday claimed, 'The Kenyan authorities have failed to conduct thorough investigations into serious crimes committed during the violence, and impunity remains pervasive.' www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AFR32/001/2014/en one day while our species is still on Earth justice will be done and will be seen to have been done. ask the Germans and more recently the warlords of Congo and Liberia if that does not happen. 2nd red high light one has to take off ones hat for our dear Kamalet. in Wikipedia. “Reactionary (or reactionist) is a political epithet typically applied to extreme ideological conservatism, especially that which wishes to return to a real or imagined old order of things, and which is willing to use coercive means to do so. The term is primarily used as a term of opprobrium (groups rarely identify themselves as reactionary), meant to assert the idea that the opposition is based in merely reflexive politics rather than responsive and informed views. More specifically, the term "reactionary" is frequently used to refer to those who want to reverse (or prevent) some form of claimed "progressive" change. (An equivalent term would be "regressivism." The term reaction is sometimes used as a general term for the program or philosophy of designated reactionaries.) batr.org/reactionary/112105.html#sthash.okt6ydJS.dpuf |
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Post by kamalet on Jul 16, 2014 10:09:40 GMT 3
Kamale:Fortunately, I did not have to RELY on newspaper accounts about the events of Saturday.I was there in person being shot by an arrow and I filed a report, written in real time, within AN HOUR of the incident and Jukwaa is one of the very first places where I posted my account of what had just taken place. Had I wanted to, I would have embellished it, exaggerating my injuries and so on. I did nothing of the kind.Of course, like I mentioned here recently, your responses to my threads are ALMOST ALWAYS IDEOLOGICAL.So, you have a world outlook, a class position, a political vantage point- backward and reactionary as it is-to DEFEND and I for, one, do NOT BLAME you or begrudge you for that infernal mean spirited DISTORTION of an actual physical attack on my person. On the contrary, I ADMIRE your verve and persistence in standing up for land grabbers and the armed murderous goons they hire. Onyango Oloo You may have been there Mr. Oloo, but there is absolutely no point in embellishing the story that you were innocently walking along Peponi Road. You were PROTESTINGagainst alleged grabbing of riparian land by the PCEA church. That is what all the media reports suggest as well as your initial post. Now no one is suggesting that you have no right to protest - that is a clear constitutional right and yes you can exercise it! But then when you went to the venue of your protest, you met a group of hired thugs with crude weapons who were ready to defend their paymaster whom you allege is the PCEA church. The PCEA church believes it is the rightful owner of the land on which they sit and are equally within their constitutional right to protect what they believe is theirs notwithstanding your views that they are illegally there. That is why I suggested in my very first post that there is a place to test the illegality you claim, and you could have used that if you actually believed you are right. You did not. What you met is not any different to what your actions would be if your landlord tried to eject you from your house and you have paid all your rent. You will not meekly pack you stuff and move out, you will resist moving out and at worst ask for a refund of your paid up rent!! You may complain about thugs being used to repel you rather than the police and we can have this debate of many instances when the citizens of this country have taken the law in their hands to protect themselves and property. Is that not why ODM uses the Men in Black? If you were looking for my sympathy for the attack, I may sound callous, but you will find little from me. There are more important causes that can improve humanity without having to risk life. I am out there in a small way changing lives in a peaceful and a quiet way. You may find it fruitful especially at our current ages!! |
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! as the former Kenyan Njakip would smirk!
---I can not find any soul to blame but God in this episode, reminded me surreptitiously of the late land activist Moses Ole Mpoe. Actually a Maasai martyr in that cause.