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Post by davie on Mar 23, 2015 14:38:41 GMT 3
Interior Cabinet Secretary Joseph Nkaissery has said Kenya will start construction of a wall on its border with Somalia from this week, to prevent itself from terror attacks. The new wall will close the border entries from Somalia to Kenya – by separating Mandera and Bulahawa – and will extend 200 kilometers. Read rest of the news from this link
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 23, 2015 16:20:53 GMT 3
Gen. Nkaissery's proposal is one of the DUMBEST ideas I have heard in decades-and believe me, Kenyan politicians and securocrats have lived up to their well deserved reputation of thinking through their behinds.
I am reliably informed that a big percentage of the top brains in Al Shabaab are born-in-Kenya, raised-in-Kenya, resident-in-Kenya zealots who are NOT EXCLUSIVELY ethnic Somalis but with a fair sprinkling of Luos, Gikuyus,Kamba, Maasai, Luhyia, Mijikenda you name it.
Besides, by sealing the Somali border, Nkaissery should not forget that there are currently no wall construction plans in Malaba and Namanga, to name just two entry points.
Perhaps the good General should order an AIR TIGHT CEILING to be made enveloping the sky immediately above the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi and the Moi International Airport in Mombasa.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by podp on Mar 23, 2015 17:00:35 GMT 3
Mr Nkaissery said they will start in Mandera down to Wajir and erect a wall that will reduce border entries. “Mandera and Bulahawa are almost merged and you cannot tell which is which. Now we want to put up a wall at border point one and close the border. That will reduce the porous border entries into our country,” he said. Mandera Senator Billow Kerrow welcomed the move but argued it is not a long-term solution. “He is admitting there are terrorists operating there and not bandits as he has been claiming. We hope it will help in containing the problem,” said Mr Kerrow. He said it would be difficult and expensive to construct and man the over 200km long wall. Read more at: www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000155726/kenya-to-build-wall-along-somalia-border-in-terror-fighta distance of Nairobi to Nakuru is a tidy contract for anyone given to assemble stones, cement and water? it is well for tenderpreneurship |
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 23, 2015 19:21:44 GMT 3
It sounds like the JAP gov is taking some serious lessons from the 'best'. Besides, wealth must be created and tenders awarded to the right people.
Problem is no foreigners can un-teach Kenyans to be un-corrupt! That is a trait which will have to get worse before it gets better, or at least until some people are rich enough to totally be able to control the rest of poor Kenyans. But then at what price?
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 23, 2015 20:22:04 GMT 3
It sounds like the JAP gov is taking some serious lessons from the ' best'. Besides, wealth must be created and tenders awarded to the right people. Problem is no foreigners can un-teach Kenyans to be un-corrupt! That is a trait which will have to get worse before it gets better, or at least until some people are rich enough to totally be able to control the rest of poor Kenyans. But then at what price? Constructing a wall along a colonial border in Africa, especially one which divides the same people, the Somali!? Of course such folly is the nature of man. There is a border between the two Koreas! Waawu! There used to be the great wall of Berlin between the two Germany's.  South/North Korea. Faultlines in the cold war. The ideological split between communism and capitalism then.  joy at breaching the Berlin Wall. Then of course there are the great walls between the first world and the third world, with the border between the USA and Mexico the best example.  Iron Curtain: Mexico/USA border. Personally I was thinking Somalia is a candidate to join the East African Economic Union. From that perspective, General Nkaissery is a total moron. But from those who will reap from the graft schemes which shall whirl around the tenderpreneurship of building the wall, this is a stroke of genius. But I think with a little think I can follow some dropped hints, and spawn a hypothesis. The guys who really know how to deal with terrorists have been advising us, and more. -this below is the example between the West Bank and Israel.  First, the PR.Haya, anybody out there who wants to dispute Israel's ability to deal with terror? Raise your hands and be counted. Raised hands, amazingly, are coming from Jews . To win the last election, the King of Security, Bibi Netanyahu of Likud, had to go absolutely racist and insane. He said: There will be no such thing as a Palestinian state! Never! Methinks General Nkaissery or Captain Boinet for that matter should take their ears off Bibi Netanyahu's apartheid security thinking. We want an economic Union with Somalia for God's sake. What do you want a wall between us for? |
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Post by b6k on Mar 24, 2015 4:25:43 GMT 3
Wow the height on that Jewish wall is something else! But didn't those pesky Hezbollah simply build tunnels under the towering dividing walls and continue their attacks within Israel unabated?
Hairbrained doesn't even describe the idea being touted by Nkaissery. As an ex military man I would've thought it would be obvious to him that if you want to win the "hearts & minds" of our Somali neighbors then an act of goodwill may be the way to go. It's going on 4 years since KE embarked upon its military action in Somalia. Somalia now has a government, of sorts, and should be allowed to run its own affairs. Why not simply pull out the KDF from Somalia and redeploy them in and near the towns that are known hotspots for bandit activity? Their policing our side of the border would do a lot more good than any wall will ever do.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 24, 2015 7:08:19 GMT 3
We have a situation of a porous border that we cannot control and also panya routes that allow terrorists loaded with money to come and bribe Kenyan police. Good general Nkaissery comes up with the idea of a wall on the Kenyan/Somali border and there is an avalanche of criticism including suggestions of how the general's brains have moved south and reside in his arse.
Criticism is actually a good thing, but someone told me that when you criticise, also offer a suggestion that is better than what you are criticising!
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Post by b6k on Mar 24, 2015 11:39:59 GMT 3
We have a situation of a porous border that we cannot control and also panya routes that allow terrorists loaded with money to come and bribe Kenyan police. Good general Nkaissery comes up with the idea of a wall on the Kenyan/Somali border and there is an avalanche of criticism including suggestions of how the general's brains have moved south and reside in his arse. Criticism is actually a good thing, but someone told me that when you criticise, also offer a suggestion that is better than what you are criticising! Kamale, I thought I did. 1) Get KDF out of Somalia, 2) Liaise with the Somali government, interim or not, to take charge of its wayward nationals who are intent on spreading terror, 3) get KDF to man the Kenya side of the border especially since the mboys in blue have been compromised. KDF will then be responsible for neutralizing the few Somali stragglers that the Somali government missed and the homegrown Kenyans who go north to join al Shabaab. 4) Deploy Kamweru's spooks on site to ID all the above (Somali stragglers & Kenyan sympathizers) and have them marked for elimination by whatever force is capable of kill or capture of the menace. No need to incur costs building a 200 km wall which will just be dug under or marched around, and of course zero opportunity for those chomping at the bit to tender for the build to fleece our pockets as they always do. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 24, 2015 12:27:46 GMT 3
We have a situation of a porous border that we cannot control and also panya routes that allow terrorists loaded with money to come and bribe Kenyan police. Good general Nkaissery comes up with the idea of a wall on the Kenyan/Somali border and there is an avalanche of criticism including suggestions of how the general's brains have moved south and reside in his arse. Criticism is actually a good thing, but someone told me that when you criticise, also offer a suggestion that is better than what you are criticising! jaduong' Kamalet, Did u miss the Somali Aden Duale last week? He was crooning a variant of the Tz position of old. Negotiations! All inclusive without precondtions was the Tz position. So instead of cheering Obama killing errant Somalis like Godane, we should also stop supporting partisan militia to further our colonial aspirations over there, but facilitate a duologue. Remember Somalis themselves had long ago reached a compromise with the regime of uIC. Union of Islamic Courts. Terrorism! Shouted the Americans and hired the Ethiopians to remove them. Result? Al-shabaab! So 1. We divorce ourselves from USA expertise. We think our own. Like Duale on this case. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 24, 2015 12:52:37 GMT 3
We have a situation of a porous border that we cannot control and also panya routes that allow terrorists loaded with money to come and bribe Kenyan police. Good general Nkaissery comes up with the idea of a wall on the Kenyan/Somali border and there is an avalanche of criticism including suggestions of how the general's brains have moved south and reside in his arse. Criticism is actually a good thing, but someone told me that when you criticise, also offer a suggestion that is better than what you are criticising! Kamale, I thought I did. 1) Get KDF out of Somalia, 2) Liaise with the Somali government, interim or not, to take charge of its wayward nationals who are intent on spreading terror, 3) get KDF to man the Kenya side of the border especially since the mboys in blue have been compromised. KDF will then be responsible for neutralizing the few Somali stragglers that the Somali government missed and the homegrown Kenyans who go north to join al Shabaab. 4) Deploy Kamweru's spooks on site to ID all the above (Somali stragglers & Kenyan sympathizers) and have them marked for elimination by whatever force is capable of kill or capture of the menace. No need to incur costs building a 200 km wall which will just be dug under or marched around, and of course zero opportunity for those chomping at the bit to tender for the build to fleece our pockets as they always do. B6k Getting KDF out of Somalia is certainly not an option. Perhaps what you should ask is the redefinition of the Somalia sectors manned by AMISOM so that the Mandera area reverts to KDF and the Ethiopians who man the sector next to Mandera. There is no Somalia government apart from the lot in Mogadishu. If they were capable of what you seek, then AMISOM would not need to control the country!I do not think KDF resources are finite as to be extended as much as you seek. They do have a small camp in the frontier districts but are still too few to provide sufficient cover. You can be certain that Kamweru's men are on the ground as are the lot from MIC. If entry into Kenya from the frontier as entering Murang'a from Kiambu, the wall would be totally unnecessary! Is that not what the americans are trying to do to stop the Mexicans from entering illegally into the US? |
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Post by b6k on Mar 24, 2015 13:06:40 GMT 3
Kamale, if KDF had been relying on our own resources they would've been out of there by mid 2012 and we'd be in recession TZ style after their invasion of Uganda. You know darned well this whole mission is underwritten by the UN hence our need to re-hat and agree to ridiculous conditions like not manning sector 2 which touches on our borders. So we can still pull out if someone isn't happy getting the dollars as we pay our KDF in shillings. I hope you catch my drift....
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 24, 2015 14:41:04 GMT 3
We have a situation of a porous border that we cannot control and also panya routes that allow terrorists loaded with money to come and bribe Kenyan police. Good general Nkaissery comes up with the idea of a wall on the Kenyan/Somali border and there is an avalanche of criticism including suggestions of how the general's brains have moved south and reside in his arse. Criticism is actually a good thing, but someone told me that when you criticise, also offer a suggestion that is better than what you are criticising! See red above. Do they also pay bribes to get into the country, or is their money good only once they are in the country? If the former, then the wall will do what? Will the entire length of this wall be patrolled at all times? If not, then presumably people will be able to go over, under, or blow holes in it. If the entire length of that border-wall will be patrolled at all times, then why isn't such patrolling already happening? I also note that the general is proposing a 200km-wall, but the Kenyan-Somali border is 680 km. Is there a reason why the would-be terrorists would not use the remaining, clear 480 km? Better suggestions, as requested: (a) Tackle the well-known corruption in the Kenyan police force; really tackle it, not just give "reminders and warnings", as the president calls them. No country can properly deal with criminality when its own police force is full of criminals. (b) KDF to get out of the charcoal business and return to its main function of protecting the country. (c) Deal with the underlying problems that encourage terrorism, problems of whose creation the government has played a major role. Anways ... I don't see this 200km wall happening. The general probably just wanted to show that he has an idea and figures that, for that purpose, even a stupid one is better than none. |
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Post by podp on Mar 24, 2015 20:37:31 GMT 3
Kamale, I thought I did. 1) Get KDF out of Somalia, 2) Liaise with the Somali government, interim or not, to take charge of its wayward nationals who are intent on spreading terror, 3) get KDF to man the Kenya side of the border especially since the mboys in blue have been compromised. KDF will then be responsible for neutralizing the few Somali stragglers that the Somali government missed and the homegrown Kenyans who go north to join al Shabaab. 4) Deploy Kamweru's spooks on site to ID all the above (Somali stragglers & Kenyan sympathizers) and have them marked for elimination by whatever force is capable of kill or capture of the menace. No need to incur costs building a 200 km wall which will just be dug under or marched around, and of course zero opportunity for those chomping at the bit to tender for the build to fleece our pockets as they always do. B6k Getting KDF out of Somalia is certainly not an option. Perhaps what you should ask is the redefinition of the Somalia sectors manned by AMISOM so that the Mandera area reverts to KDF and the Ethiopians who man the sector next to Mandera. There is no Somalia government apart from the lot in Mogadishu. If they were capable of what you seek, then AMISOM would not need to control the country!I do not think KDF resources are finite as to be extended as much as you seek. They do have a small camp in the frontier districts but are still too few to provide sufficient cover. You can be certain that Kamweru's men are on the ground as are the lot from MIC. If entry into Kenya from the frontier as entering Murang'a from Kiambu, the wall would be totally unnecessary! Is that not what the americans are trying to do to stop the Mexicans from entering illegally into the US? 1st red high light and 2nd red high light are diametrically opposed. in such a case you agree to disagree. otherwise the 2nd red high light sounds familiar from history. it is said the British empire before 1900 never imagined the sun would set. fast forward to near Kenya they saw us requiring them (British colonialism) to last for 100 years from 1950. down south the Boers never imagined a day would come when a Mandela would be their President. as long as we are in Somali doing charcoal business and using their territory for contraband smuggling we have to reap the current consequences of Al Shabaab. as long as we have corruption at current levels in the security sectors wall or no wall between us and Somali our harvest is self assured |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 25, 2015 16:33:29 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Mar 26, 2015 8:19:04 GMT 3
I thought Kenya was within its rights to do whatsoever it wishes on its side of the border without consulting the non-existent government of Somalia? |
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