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Post by tiskie on Apr 5, 2010 19:45:30 GMT 3
Ruto as usual after being caught is into lying mode.. execuse me before the Naivasha meeting ODM as a party went out and stated their stand on the Draft constitution and that they supported the three THREE TIER SYSTEM.. ANYONG spoke on the behave of the party, Ruto and Balala refused to attend the meeting.. because they were already in bed with PNU and they stood by PNU 100% in public on the week senate and removal of three tiers system " calling it Majimbo" How dare Ruto the sleaze now come out with his tale between his legs to blame Mudavadi? kwani this ?Ruto lair thinks Kenyans are fool and were not following the Naivasha saga closes? Ruto must answer to the people in the Rift Valley why he sold them short and what he was paid or promised to back ODM...it will soon come out and the Kenya public will know what Ruto was offered to sell out Rift Valley...  He was on record standing against his party ODM stand on the Draft Constitution while in Naivasha.. he was actually gloating... NOW HE BETTER ANSWER TO THE RIFT VALLEY PEOPLE.. trying to lie about what transpired ati now blaming Mudavadi will not wash.. Bure Kabisa |
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Post by tiskie on Apr 5, 2010 19:49:45 GMT 3
A REMINDER TO RUTO WHAT ODM STAND ON THREE TIER SYSTEM ALL ALONG... RUTO DECIDED TO STAND WITH PNU AND REJECTED THE THREE TIER SYSTEM IN NAIVASHA........ KENYANS TOOK NOTE.. SO LYING WON'T GET HIM ANYWHERE. SHAME ON HIM..... ODM Statement on Devolution Post by admin on Mar 22, 2010, 1:30pm A STATEMENT BY THE ORANGE DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT ON ITS
POSITION ON DEVOLUTION IN THE PROPOSED CONSTITUTION
NAIROBI, SATURDAY, MARCH 21, 2010The Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) has always believed in true devolution of power and resources for the benefit of the Kenyan people. Devolution entails dispersal and decentralization of both power and resources, firstly to democratize governance and secondly to bring both political power and resources to the people where they live. In 2007, ODM campaigned for a well-structured devolution with a three-tier governance structure. That structure consists of:
1) The national level
2) The regional level
3) The local government level.
These levels are not merely electoral and administrative; they are primarily governance units. The devolved governments have their elected representatives, executive, legislative and administrative structures, which are directly accountable to the people. During the Constitution of Kenya Review Process, commonly referred to as the Bomas’ Process - and after both extensive and intensive negotiations - Kenyans overwhelmingly chose a parliamentary governance structure with four levels namely: 1) The national level
2) The regional level
3) The district level
4) The locational level
After collecting, collating and reviewing the views of Kenyans, the Committee of Experts (CoE) prepared the harmonized draft constitution, which once more prescribed a parliamentary system of governance in line with the Bomas’ Draft, with a three-tier devolution system.
However, since constitution-making is a political process, it inevitably lends itself to negotiations and compromises. In view of this, the Parliamentary Select Committee (PSC) reached a consensus at Naivasha that fundamentally changed the system of governance that the CoE had prescribed in compliance with the wishes of the Kenyan people. Although the PSC crafted an American-model Presidential system, it failed to accompany it with checks, balances and accountability mechanisms that are both essential and necessary for that system to be functional. If retained in the form presented by the PSC, the constitution could have created an imperial president without any structural and institutional checks. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=3976 |
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Post by job on Apr 5, 2010 20:00:54 GMT 3
Well, well, well.
Ruto Regrets PSC's Revision of the CoE Draft Constitution
The STAR Monday, April 5, 2010
By Isaac Ongiri
Chepalungu MP Isaac Rutto is now saying the Parliamentary Select Committee should have endorsed the Committee of Expert's draft constitution without revision.
Rutto said beforeit was revised in Naivasha that , the CoE draft had proposed a 3-tier system that would have created regions as envisioned by ODM.
"Now I wish we would have stayed with the original CoE draft. It was good enough and it had taken care of most of the issues we are bothered about now". Rutto said.
The MP, who is a member of the PSC, claimed Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi misled the ODM team by rooting for the rejection of the three-tier sytem as Naivash PSC retreat.
"It is Mudavadi who told the ODM team at the Naivash retreat that we should support counties rather than regions, that is how we lost", Rutto said.
He said majority of ODM members backed Mudavadi's position because they assumed his position and that of the PM was the same. He said Mudavadi's stand was favourable to PNU.
Rutto said he put up a loan ranger fight for the retention of a parliamentary system. He said Orengo and the deputy PM let him down when they failed to support his push for a parliamentary system in Naivasha.
The MP also accused Mudavadi and the Lands Minister James Orengo of derailing efforts to have the post of Prime Minister retained in the document.
"Some of us who had no direct contact to the Prime Minister were shocked by the change of heart by our colleagues. This is how PNU defeated ODM agenda at Naivasha", Rutto said.
He denied he teamed up with cabinet ministers William Ruto (Agriculture) Najib Balala (Tourism) and North Horr MP Chachu Ganya to join PNU and tilt the draft against the desires of the ODM manifesto.
ODM is believed to have lost the push for their interests at Naivasha as the anti-Raila MPs led by Agriculture minister ganged up with PNU to defeat the ODM agenda.
Ohh Pleeeeeeeze!!!!! Go tell that to the birds! Ati Isaac Ruto was assuming Mudavadi's position was the same as that of the PM. Is this the same Isaac Ruto who boycotted (alongside William Ruto), ODM's meeting on devolution called by the Prime Minister even before the Naivasha retreat? They should have attended the meeting to know ODM's true position on devolution (3-tier) instead of "blindly" attending Naivasha and "assuming" wrong positions. People are not idiots. Isaac and William sold off their people while seeking KKK's attention. But before the ink dried, KKK betrayed them and left them hanging high and dry. Now there's not gonna be Rift valley no more, no regions, and life goes on. The biggest loser SADLY - Isaac & William's own constituents who have been perennially disenfranchised since pre-independence by nefarious betrayals by the likes of Moi (dallying first with the Brits then strongly with Kenyatta) and now Ruto (dallying with Jomo's son Uhuru). Seroney and Toweet must be rolling in anger in their graves. It's not yet Uhuru in the former Rift Valley and it will not be in a long time, thanks to con-leadership. |
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Post by phil on Apr 5, 2010 21:12:42 GMT 3
Moi has come out and declared his opposition for the draft as adopted by parliament last week.
I wonder if he is ready to lead the NO-VOTE. Will this be an opportunity for Moi to close ranks with prodigal son Ruto, and lead a referendum resistance from Rift Valley (if they can rope in puppet Kalonzo Musyoka to deliver ' one million Kamba votes')?
I will upload that Moi video as soon as its available.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 6, 2010 1:07:51 GMT 3
Now there's not gonna be Rift valley no more, no regions, and life goes on.
The biggest loser SADLY - Isaac & William's own constituents who have been perennially disenfranchised since pre-independence by nefarious betrayals by the likes of Moi (dallying first with the Brits then strongly with Kenyatta) and now Ruto (dallying with Jomo's son Uhuru).
This is the sad irony. The people wanted the RV jimbo intact. ruto and ruto said NO, and instead they dismembered, and balkanized RV. Now ruto and ruto want their jimbo, after having lost it during their dastardly pact with the jomo jnr et al. So now are they are gonna lead the NO VOTE against the KATIBA? That may be so. And irony of ironies, R and the generali kegs may be on the YES side! Damm damm damm. But KATIBA fatigue may enable the YES vote to triumph, and suddenly the 2012 race for Kalenjin votes gets very interesting. Will they unite and vote solidly for one of their own come what may, because they are pissed, and then attempt to forge an alliance with the winner irrespective of who it is? Will there be an outright winner in the first place, with 25% in 5 provinces and a plurality of voters? This is interesting! |
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Post by tnk on Apr 6, 2010 1:21:29 GMT 3
hehehe pmaniac old habits die hard do you see the error here, this will be a hard bone to chew for many p.o.r.k aspirants Now there's not gonna be Rift valley no more, no regions, and life goes on.... ...The people wanted the RV jimbo intact. ruto and ruto said NO, and instead they dismembered, and balkanized RV. .... Will there be an outright winner in the first place, with 25% in 5 provinces and a plurality of voters? duh! there are no provinces! - edited after reading the final draft - we are going to have to embrace the new changes. 25% in more than half of Fourty Seven (47) counties i.e at least 24 counties and 50% of votes cast + 1. both these must be met otherwise there will be a runoff between the two candidates with highest number of votes cast. IMHO it was a big mistake to let the PSC tinker with matters they were ill prepared for. the domino effect of minor changes will increase as previously well tuned items suddenly start chipping off due to some uncoordinated change |
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Post by tiskie on Apr 9, 2010 7:54:35 GMT 3
NOW THEY SCREAM AND SHOUT AND CRY AND SH....T BUT THEY WILL GET NOWHERE ;D ;D THEY SOLD THEIR SOULS TO THE DEVILS AND NOW KENYANS WILL TEACH THEM WHAT DEMOCRACY MEANS.. A YES VOTE!!
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Post by mzee on Apr 9, 2010 12:08:42 GMT 3
Just listen and hear how WIlliam Ruto is lying about regions. He now claims that there were no regions in the CoE draft. The CoE draft has this which was shot down by none other than Ruto.
FIRST SCHEDULE
(Article 5(2))
REGIONS AND COUNTIES
The regions into which Kenya is divided are—
1. Coast Region
2. Eastern Region
3. North Eastern Region
4. Rift Valley Region
5. Nyanza Region
6. Western Region
7. Central Region
8. Nairobi Metropolitan Region
Rutoos lies will not take him anywhere
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Post by kaburwo on Apr 9, 2010 12:36:03 GMT 3
Politicians need a 'backspace' attached to their twisted, lying lips. Luckily none is provided so they have to live with their lies.
-Kaburwo-
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Post by mzee on Apr 9, 2010 16:22:37 GMT 3
Kaburwo,
A carefull look at the WSR madness reveals an attempt at apeing RAO´s success at the last referendum. The calculation from WSR and his ilk is that the 30MP´s can stick together in the future to form a strong force as the ODM that emerged from the ashes of the referendum. They all know that the "NO" side can never win this time but idea of campaigning together and coming up with some kind of political union in future is what drives WSR an co. Lets wait and see, perhaps they shall win, who knows. Where is Balala?
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Post by phil on Apr 9, 2010 17:48:38 GMT 3
Kaburwo / MzeeListen to Orengo tell Kass FM listeners what really took place in Naivasha. He was on Kass his morning. Now we know! Read the story here
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 9, 2010 20:20:59 GMT 3
Kaburwo, A carefull look at the WSR madness reveals an attempt at apeing RAO´s success at the last referendum. The calculation from WSR and his ilk is that the 30MP´s can stick together in the future to form a strong force as the ODM that emerged from the ashes of the referendum. They all know that the "NO" side can never win this time but idea of campaigning together and coming up with some kind of political union in future is what drives WSR an co. Lets wait and see, perhaps they shall win, who knows. Where is Balala? God question Balala oyee? But where is Judas KM? the shape shifting chameleon? In Eldi he was with ruto, - amend, but at harambee hse he was with the yes crowd! |
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Post by job on Apr 10, 2010 21:10:18 GMT 3
Enjoy Kwamchetsi's parody/satire on William Kipchirchir Ruto SATURDAY NATION
April 10, 2010
Ruto’s leadership offers ray of hope on failed political landscape
By KWAMCHETSI MAKOKHA
Posted Friday, April 9 2010 at 18:06
Cutting the image of Mr Defiance is no mean task for mortals, but for Agriculture minister William Ruto, it is a role that glides onto him with the ease of a second skin.
So far, nothing has exposed his true leadership potential better than when he has served defiance on authority without flinching.
His leadership of the “No” campaign against the Proposed Constitution of Kenya, now in the spell-check room at the Attorney General’s chambers, demonstrates his legendary foresight.
Looking back at the laws created to set the constitution review motion in place, he can see how tragically the whole enterprise was going to end.
Sitting there in Amani Room at Serena Hotel, eyeballing Martha Karua across the table as the country burnt in 2008, Mr Ruto felt the sudden need to take a toilet break at the exact moment that the framework for delivering a new constitution for Kenya came up.
Obviously, the errors committed in the name of the Kenya National Dialogue and Reconciliation Committee might bear his signature, but certainly not his imprint.
He knew it was unrealistic, but the Panel of Eminent Persons were making all sorts of threats. Mr Ruto, being a wise man, chose to fight another day.
He waited for Parliament to pass these bad laws, and knew that the place to make everything right was to be elected to the ad hoc select committee managing the review of the Constitution, a desire duly fulfilled.
Save for a few distractions in the line of duty, Mr Ruto has been committed to reversing the terrible mistakes in the unrealistic laws passed to jumpstart the constitution review.
Mr Ruto has always been on the right side of history. Yet, Mr Ruto is only mortal and can only be expected to say No to one bad thing at a time.
First, there was the arbitrary detention of mere boys who rioted, blocked roads, slaughtered animals to create a semblance of a bloodbath and brandished their weapons before television cameras to frighten people so that his party could access power.
He successfully demanded their release by insisting on defiance.
Just when Mr Ruto was beginning to bite into the constitutional review thing, seeing where the flaws were, he was called upon to lead another defiance campaign against setting up a special court to hear cases arising from the post-election violence.
Why should anyone bother with such things when the threat of the International Criminal Court intervening in Kenya was light years away, say 2090?
Time has proven him right.
There has been no resting since. Forces fearful of Mr Ruto’s positive effect on the constitution review have always created crises that require him to rush to the rescue.
IN TIME, MR RUTO DID SPEND A CONSIDERABLE amount of time saying No to the absurd suggestion that anything untoward might have happened under his watch as minister around the sale of maize from the National Cereals and Produce Board to rescue starving Kenyans.
What a waste of energy. Time and investigations have vindicated him.
Having fought off all these distractions — and just when he was preparing to pay his full, undivided attention to the bad constitution review — someone started evicting innocent investors who had bought fertile land in the lush and highly arable Mau Complex, claiming it was a forest.
What is a leader supposed to do? Meet force with defiance. Forest, my foot!
By the time the parliamentary select committee on the constitution was retreating to Naivasha to review the Revised Harmonised Draft Constitution, Mr Ruto was tired. He needed a nap. Mr Ruto took part in those discussions about changing the hybrid executive system to an imperial presidency as a somnambulist walks out of his house.
Were it not for the help of fellow committee members like Tigania MP Peter Munya, Chepalungu’s Isaac Ruto and nominated MP Sophia Noor, Mr Ruto would have sleep-walked into the jaws of a lion.
Now, obviously, these four cannot be expected to take the fall for the errors the committee they were members of added to the review process.
The committee had created a rogue president, a feeble senate, a weak Parliament and useless counties. Why, it had also allowed abortion.
They could not get in a word sideways on the percentage of resources to go to devolved units. Mr Ruto tried to suggest that the 15 per cent provided for the counties in the draft was unacceptable, but the bus engine was revving and Nairobi was beckoning.
It is a pity that Parliament subsequently refused to make any amendments to the constitution.
Had all the 300 amendments suggested passed, there is a high likelihood that all Kenyans would have lined up to affirm the Proposed Constitution.
Rather than seek to do the impossible by amending a few clauses later, this is the opportunity to reject the entire effort.
The fact that these amendments failed, and that adultery is not in the proposed constitution – seeing that this is a Christian nation – and the Ten Commandments are not entrenched in the law, Mr Ruto has been left with little choice but to do what his talents lend themselves easiest to — lead a campaign of defiance.
They are talents that are sorely needed in Kenya.
Given Mr Ruto’s track record in making important decisions at critical times, his leadership of the No side should silence his critics once and for all about his leadership potential and the great plans he has for Kenya.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 10, 2010 21:19:52 GMT 3
This referndum will banish the loosers into the dust bins of political history just like the first one did. The bananaiacs are still clinging on just b/cos they stole the election of oh-seven.
Otherwise look at the litany of loosers kina kiriatu, DR CM, kipkorios, the lovely sloth of othaya.
They are passe!
And they have a very bad legacy to accompany them to the grave.
The torch has been passed.
I cant wait to bid them good bye.
Its sad that ruto is also headed there, slowly but surely.
What is biting this guys behind?
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Post by job on Apr 12, 2010 0:22:58 GMT 3
Excerpt from Standard today; But Dr Kosgey distanced herself from the alleged deal making, only blaming internal power games for their lost opportunities in Naivasha.
"I have heard that people received financial inducements to support certain positions but I am happy nobody dared approach me," she said. So the Ruto namesakes probably gobbled up muthendi from PNU (siphoned from taxpayer kitty). The amazing greed by these Rutos will soon exterminate them. At least they have imprinted their names forever in history as the two native sons who authored the abolition of Rift Valley and sabotaged aspirations for Majimbo at the very defining moment in Naivasha.
Whether they vote NO in the referendum, history will judge them harshly, mark these words. Moi warned these cantankerous, reckless and greenhorn busybodies but they thought they were playing in the big league. Opps, with just that single night deal, they have burnt a century old dream of their people. What a pity! |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 12, 2010 2:22:24 GMT 3
Pity indeed!!
Now all they have to show are clout less bantustans within RV, and you know what this means? No comprehensive land reforms ama ni total war!
PNU have got what they wanted and they must be congratulated.
What a pair of idiots ruto and ruto are!
They were made to chase red herrings (the Prime Minster), kumbe the PNU were double dealing them right under their noses!
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Post by job on Apr 12, 2010 7:17:14 GMT 3
Isaac Rutto Dishonest In Accusing Mudavadi
Date: Sat 10th April 2010
Mediahouse: The Star
Page: 15
Isaac Rutto Dishonest In Accusing Mudavadi - The Star
BY KIBISU-KABATESI
I have read with utter trepidation an allegation by Isaac Rutto that the Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi ostensibly "misled" the ODM team at Naivasha PSC meeting into accepting the pure presidential system (The Star, Monday April 5, Page 3).
I have always assumed that Rutto's sojourn in the world of political deception in the Kanu regime was forced peer influence and his subsequent sidelining by old masters at the game of treachery taught him some civility. Upon joining the ODM bandwagon, I saw him shout "change" and assumed he had been baptised into politics of humility.
I am worried that Rutto is accusing Musalia of lying to fellow ODM PSC members at Naivasha over the system preferred by ODM. Were this true, Musalia-would be condemned for betraying the ODM.
But 1 doubt Rutto would have waited until now to go for the kill. Between Rutto and Musalia, it is Rutto who wants to lie his way out of failed perversion of ODM and the Kalenjin positions on the constitution at Naivasha and the Kenya Institute of Administration retreats, and in Parliament.
How did Rutto get entangled in this mess whose backlash he must fend off by "misleading" Kenyans? It begins with a migratory mentality, the mental inability to grasp issues in their totality in favour of transitory illusions of grandeur. It manifests with the restlessness that sets in with the inability to achieve short-term goals because of their pettiness. You forget what you said yesterday in preference to what sounds majestic and in jest today.
It is Gichugu MP Martha Karua who told Rutto not to "mislead" the House that ODM victory was stolen after he had "confessed" that Kibaki indeed won. During Naivasha and after, Rutto was the spin doctor who chorused that his namesake William Ruto was solely responsible for the "breakthrough" of the "pure presidential" system. Musalia termed it "shenanigans". But the media insisted that it was a pact between the Agriculture minister and Uhuru Kenyatta in a loose KKK alliance that resulted in the agreement.
The Chepalungu MP "misleads" when he now wants to give the onus to Musalia. At KIA, the promise of the KKK alliance "to defeat Raila" was too attractive and continued in ethnic caucuses at all times through M-Pesa, sms, night and morning' meetings. They lost the bigger picture, the interests of the Kalenjin, in favour of personal interest.
When the courtship resulted in nothing, they resorted to recouping lost ground with proposition of 25 regions and no counties.
The writer is the Private Secretary and Director of Public Communication in the Office of Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi.
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Post by enigma on Apr 12, 2010 7:34:07 GMT 3
I think Musalia and Co should tell us what went on behind the scenes and who did what. Seems that there is a juicy narrative there. It must be good entertainment and it will provide comic relief but we know how we are going to vote and we shall be indicting the Rutos in August.
This debacle calls to mind ''kujikaanga na mafuta yao wenyewe''.
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Post by roughrider on Apr 12, 2010 10:48:13 GMT 3
I think Musalia and Co should tell us what went on behind the scenes and who did what. Seems that there is a juicy narrative there. It must be good entertainment and it will provide comic relief but we know how we are going to vote and we shall be indicting the Rutos in August. This debacle calls to mind ''kujikaanga na mafuta yao wenyewe''. The 'juicy' story is beginning to trickle out. Bit by bit. And at the end, we will probably piece all the strands together. I think it is a story of raw ambition, greed, political naivety and betrayal. Actually, it started with Ruto wanting to chair the PSC and apparently overestimating his support. Read some of it here: www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000007512&cid=4&But something else we have not discussed fully here are the motivations behind Ruto leading the ‘No’ vote. It is clear that this was not part of his plans and his responses appear sudden and uncoordinated. It is an expensive route, fraught with political perils. The first is that his party now has the perfect excuse to officially cast him aside, especially if the party chooses to whip a ‘party position’ on this matter. But perhaps ODM strategists think the timing is not ripe for such action. To cast him aside today, will give him too much time to build a rag-tag. The thing is that, upon a careful reading of this katiba, the era of many ‘small political parties’ making bargains here and there is probably over. Ruto clearly does not understand that in politics there are no permanent 'enemies', because if he did, he would be back in the heart of ODM where his most straightfoward path to any semblance of national leadership lies. The second problem is the potential loss (temporary or permanent) of political 'friends' who’ve gone ‘yes’. Uhuru Kenyatta, Kalonzo Musyoka, Najib Balala, Mwai Kibaki… On the flip side, Ruto may gain some friends (like Moi) who’ve gone ‘No’. His acolytes such as the boy Kutuny are suggesting narratives of heroism, courage and principle. Is Ruto leading the ‘No’ campaign in order to be seen as a brave, fearless warrior? The problem is that this is being countered by an all too powerful message of hypocrisy and political naïveté that came out of Naivasha. It is clear that Ruto was played, the way Lionel Messi played Arsenal the other day. Inevitably his leadership skills will be called into question. Kwamchetsi Makokha captured this best in a recent satirical opinion. Others have suggested that Ruto is using this opportunity to test his mettle ahead of 2012. How many votes is he really worth? This, apparently, can be used for political bargaining in future. The problem is that this is counter-productive. In assessing his political mettle, he might erode it drastically by being exposed as a parochial, lone ranger: unfit for national leadership. Folks, let's contemplate these Ruto dillemmas some more. How can he salvage what's left with some dignity? |
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Post by mzee on Apr 12, 2010 12:04:34 GMT 3
I think Musalia and Co should tell us what went on behind the scenes and who did what. Seems that there is a juicy narrative there. It must be good entertainment and it will provide comic relief but we know how we are going to vote and we shall be indicting the Rutos in August. This debacle calls to mind ''kujikaanga na mafuta yao wenyewe''. The 'juicy' story is beginning to trickle out. Bit by bit. And at the end, we will probably piece all the strands together. I think it is a story of raw ambition, greed, political naivety and betrayal. Actually, it started with Ruto wanting to chair the PSC and apparently overestimating his support. Read some of it here: www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000007512&cid=4&But something else we have not discussed fully here are the motivations behind Ruto leading the ‘No’ vote. It is clear that this was not part of his plans and his responses appear sudden and uncoordinated. It is an expensive route, fraught with political perils. The first is that his party now has the perfect excuse to officially cast him aside, especially if the party chooses to whip a ‘party position’ on this matter. But perhaps ODM strategists think the timing is not ripe for such action. To cast him aside today, will give him too much time to build a rag-tag. The thing is that, upon a careful reading of this katiba, the era of many ‘small political parties’ making bargains here and there is probably over. Ruto clearly does not understand that in politics there are no permanent 'enemies', because if he did, he would be back in the heart of ODM where his most straightfoward path to any semblance of national leadership lies. The second problem is the potential loss (temporary or permanent) of political 'friends' who’ve gone ‘yes’. Uhuru Kenyatta, Kalonzo Musyoka, Najib Balala, Mwai Kibaki… On the flip side, Ruto may gain some friends (like Moi) who’ve gone ‘No’. His acolytes such as the boy Kutuny are suggesting narratives of heroism, courage and principle. Is Ruto leading the ‘No’ campaign in order to be seen as a brave, fearless warrior? The problem is that this is being countered by an all too powerful message of hypocrisy and political naïveté that came out of Naivasha. It is clear that Ruto was played, the way Lionel Messi played Arsenal the other day. Inevitably his leadership skills will be called into question. Kwamchetsi Makokha captured this best in a recent satirical opinion. Others have suggested that Ruto is using this opportunity to test his mettle ahead of 2012. How many votes is he really worth? This, apparently, can be used for political bargaining in future. The problem is that this is counter-productive. In assessing his political mettle, he might erode it drastically by being exposed as a parochial, lone ranger: unfit for national leadership. Folks, let's contemplate these Ruto dillemmas some more. How can he salvage what's left with some dignity? I think that it is the question of chicken coming home to roost. WSR was played like a kinanda by Uhuru and crew. Before he realised, UK had driven a panga behind his political back and was laughing all the way to Kiambu. WSR lacks proper judgement and is not made of leaderhip stuff. Noise making at every microphone he sees is one thing but making sense is another. This guy has simply lost it. |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 12, 2010 12:47:54 GMT 3
Do I recall a story in the Standard which seemed to suggest that all that went on at Naivasha was the ODM plan which was planned in a manner to hoodwink PNU and we had some people cheering here?
Perhaps it is something I never read about!
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Post by tactician on Apr 12, 2010 14:09:14 GMT 3
Do I recall a story in the Standard which seemed to suggest that all that went on at Naivasha was the ODM plan which was planned in a manner to hoodwink PNU and we had some people cheering here? Perhaps it is something I never read about! Indeed some members here even celebrated saying ODM had cornered PNU by suggesting and adopting the pure presidential system. But let it go; Raila camp is like makmende, they never lose... even when they score an own goal, they will say it was a strategy to lure the opponents to think the game is won and hence induce them into complacency... |
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 12, 2010 14:23:40 GMT 3
tactician,
You guys in the Ruto camp should talk to him. He is in a terrible political situation. Read what my friend Kibisu Kabatesi (KK as we used to call him) is saying. Ruto's No campaign will flop everywhere in the country. He sold his party and his people in Naivasha and got nothing for it. The man is in dire straits politically. I have no idea who his advisers are but surely the Kuttunys are not doing him that much good. Isaac is already distraught. He was begging Cardinal Njue to lead a NO campaign to the Draft he and his namesake minted in Naivasha. How pathetic is that!
The Rutos had an opportunity of a lifetime in Naivasha. A hundred years from now their great grand kids would point out with pride that it was their great grand dads who framed the nation's constitution. Instead just weeks from the Naivasha debacle the Rutos are completely ashamed of what they created in Naivasha. Why?
This is not about the "Raila camp", my friend. This is about your buddy Ruto. He is falling apart rather badly. Everywhere. That is the focus of this thread.
adongo
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Post by kamalet on Apr 12, 2010 14:49:23 GMT 3
tactician,You guys in the Ruto camp should talk to him. He is in a terrible political situation. Read what my friend Kibisu Kabatesi (KK as we used to call him) is saying. Ruto's No campaign will flop everywhere in the country. He sold his party and his people in Naivasha and got nothing for it. The man is in dire straits politically. I have no idea who his advisers are but surely the Kuttunys are not doing him that much good. Isaac is already distraught. He was begging Cardinal Njue to lead a NO campaign to the Draft he and his namesake minted in Naivasha. How pathetic is that! The Rutos had an opportunity of a lifetime in Naivasha. A hundred years from now their great grand kids would point out with pride that it was their great grand dads who framed the nation's constitution. Instead just weeks from the Naivasha debacle the Rutos are completely ashamed of what they created in Naivasha. Why? This is not about the "Raila camp", my friend. This is about your buddy Ruto. He is falling apart rather badly. Everywhere. That is the focus of this thread. adongo Why should we reduce the constitution to an ODM/PNU fight? I thought this thing was intended for posterity and should of necessity not be aligned to any party political position, especially when you consider Kenyan political parties as flash floods that come and go? The position of Raila or Ruto for that matter should be that of a Kenyan first rather than political party affiliation! That is why you disciples of Raila should follow his lead on this process - he is not talking ODM position, but a simple YES position! Ruto should be allowed to die with his NO if it the one that will kill him! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 12, 2010 15:08:20 GMT 3
Kamale,
The reason the constitutional battle (soon to be won) has taken this long is because of political parties and politicians.
Kibaki promised Kenyans a new constitution in 100 days after a Narc victory which happened in Dec 2002. The same Kibaki as president did everything in his power to sabotage that very new constitution and ended up in a humiliating defeat in the 2005 referendum. Why did he and is allies do that? You ask them. They will tell you it was because of politics and political interests.
Should Ruto be allowed to die (politically) as you ask with the NO position? That is his choice. When you make a bed, sometimes you have to take a nap on them. Fair enough. Isn't it?
adongo
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