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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 19, 2010 1:16:08 GMT 3
Kaburwo and Job
I have enjoyed tremendously both analysis
I still dont understand the genesis of the animus, ruto specifically has for the Prime Minister.
That kind of personal animus must have an organic basis, and mere political rivalry just doesnt make sense to me.
I do understand jomo jnrs moves and calculus.
kaburwo, what is the political impact of ruto alleging that the Prime Minister R, reneged on the deal that would have gotten Kalenjin youth released from jail, post PEV? Is it percieved that the Prime Minister deceived them on this issue?
Also how many youth are we talking about?
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 19, 2010 17:51:02 GMT 3
Job & Others,And here Ruto is lying outright. I wish he at least read the bible he is holding which he is not. May be Njue should surrender his job to this guy. Ruto should know that the only job he has ever had in his life is politics right from college when Moi recruited them with Isaac Ruto and Jirongo in the YK92. If he wants to become a preacher he should go and leave the country alone. Isn't interesting that the three amigos are together again and Moi is with them too. They are going nowhere this time. But somebody needs to tell Ruto to at least look at the bible he is holding. www.nation.co.ke/News/Ruto%20says%20draft%20not%20good%20for%20Kenyans/-/1056/902088/-/cysnt3/-/index.html
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Post by phil on Apr 19, 2010 18:17:16 GMT 3
Job & Others,And here Ruto is lying outright. I wish he at least read the bible he is holding which he is not. May be Njue should surrender his job to this guy. Ruto should know that the only job he has ever had in his life is politics right from college when Moi recruited them with Isaac Ruto and Jirongo in the YK92. If he wants to become preacher he should go and leave the country alone. Isn't interesting that the three amigos are together again and Moi is with them too. They are going nowhere this time. But somebody needs to tell Ruto to at least look at the bible he is holding. www.nation.co.ke/News/Ruto%20says%20draft%20not%20good%20for%20Kenyans/-/1056/902088/-/cysnt3/-/index.html The good thing here is that nearly ALL of the people who left comments to that article can see the LIES Ruto is trying to propagate:
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Submitted by chipukizi
Posted April 19, 2010 05:21 PM
Ruto failed to do a what if analysis..by proposing the presidential system in Naivasha he was counting on Raila siding with the No vote..Raila called his bluff..and now he is left fighting what he proposed...that was a Novice move Bwana Ruto..you are about to enjoy the cold!
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Submitted by londoner2009
Posted April 19, 2010 05:01 PM
Kenyans are criticizing Ruto instead of what he is against. I for one, is against land size limit. Do we really want to subdivide kenya into little plots and turn it into a huge villages.Even european farmers are being paid to turn their farms into conservation reserves. The obvious result will be starvation and environmental degradation. Kenyans, see the other side, dont be greedy with land.
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Submitted by pomondi81
Posted April 19, 2010 04:51 PM
Mr Ruto,if you connot follow or support what you proposed,who do you expect to follow you?constitution is for kenyans not for a certain tribe.
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Submitted by Alimama
Posted April 19, 2010 04:48 PM
Hon. Ruto is entitled to his opinion. Those who are pro this constitution are showing alot of intolerance and that is bad for Kenya.
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Submitted by nguliboy
Posted April 19, 2010 04:35 PM
Please Ruto stop taking the people of Kenya for a ride, the draft is better than what we have and it does not legalize abortion. Christianity ethics still stand as we Christians do not believe in Abortion but that has nothing to do with Governance.
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Submitted by abuto2005
Posted April 19, 2010 04:18 PM
When did he realize that the consititution is bad?I read in all the media houses claiming that he was the architect of consensus in naivasha,what happened.Ruto knew that raila was not going to support this draft n they had marked that to be the breaking point with ODM,now,he has bn beaten hands down!Even balala is not with you.
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Submitted by NYATAIGE
Posted April 19, 2010 03:37 PM
Mr. Ruto Arap Samoei, Please stop using "Kenyans" when you really mean "you and the elite" that you represent. Aint you the one who proposed the system you're campaigning against now? Please get real and stop fooling us. Are you fearing for anything in the new draft law? Did you realize overnight that you made a mistake? You can settle your differences with Raila elsewhere.
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Submitted by levubu
Posted April 19, 2010 03:23 PM
Ruto should stop lying to Kenyans that devolved fund is currently at 18%. Its public knowledge that CDF funding from the budget stands at 2.5%. The draft constitution seeks to increase it to 15%. What does Ruto want to achieve by miss-informing Kenyans- Shame. The draft drastically reduces the powers of the president as all presidential appointments will be vetted by parliament. We will vote YES
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Submitted by keke
Posted April 19, 2010 03:07 PM
Wrong. Ruto should say 'his wishes' not 'the wishes of Kenyans'. He has not touch with the common man. He has lived in an ivory tower since the Kanu Youth Winger days. All he is fighting for is his property and land.
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Submitted by tedd_jk
Posted April 19, 2010 02:47 PM
Hon. Ruto is doing a great disservice to Kenya. This guy is on the fast lane to oblivion and a step away from being irrelevant. I believe he is using the referendum to not only champion his own political interests but also as a tool to settle his difference with Hon Odinga. It's indeed sad and sickening to see our leaders misleading Kenyans yet we are paying them to offer leadership. I can't wait to see his reaction when Kenyans prove him wrong and vote Yes.
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Submitted by kasakakairo
Posted April 19, 2010 02:33 PM
Its Ruto who proposed the clause on presidential power during the Naivasha retreat. Now his care is for the very few people who own Kenyan land to continue doing so while the rest are squatters. Kenyans cant be fooled anymore.Is 10,000 acre-rage limit not enough for 1 person mr Ruto? we will vote YES
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Submitted by makabuso
Posted April 19, 2010 02:31 PM
Ruto is just confused. If he is even the one who proposed the pesidential system while at Naivasha and was seconded by Mudavadi and Karua, what has changed for him to say the powers of president are too much. To me I think Ruto thought Raila was going to be against the draft so that him(Ruto) to support it and embarass Raila. This time he has failed terribly. You can not fight Raila by the constitution because this is a document for Kenyans.
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Submitted by Bobnabby
Posted April 19, 2010 01:48 PM
Ruto you amaze me. Do you think you are right and heading anywhere? Swallow your pride to avoid political irrelevance and oblivion. You wouldn't convince anyone with these gimmicks. You are not sincere this time.
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Submitted by Hlestakov
Posted April 19, 2010 01:43 PM
Chest thumping and provocation will never pass a debate but sheer persuasion and diplomacy will. It is therfore imperative that we imbrace them to avoid charged and divisive campaigns. Better still insults and intorerance must be avoided at all cost.
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Submitted by bkisia
Posted April 19, 2010 01:33 PM
i hope the new constitution fails for the sake of the unborn kenyans
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Submitted by libale
Posted April 19, 2010 01:23 PM
In this Constitution, it is every politician for himself/herself and no one for ordinary Kenyans. May God have mercy on Kenya!!
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Submitted by rofi
Posted April 19, 2010 01:15 PM
The draft constitution does not reflect the wishes of Hon. Ruto. But then, you cannot always get what you want.
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Submitted by NYAEMA
Posted April 19, 2010 01:11 PM
Did Ruto ever receive allowances during their sittings in Naivasha for the review process? If he ever did, then we ask wat was the reasons for getting tax payers money for nothing. Most of No group didnt go there.
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Submitted by ChezKen
Posted April 19, 2010 01:04 PM
If you invite someone to another person's house, they will always find something they dont like. Instead of picking a few clauses he does not like, Ruto should honestly comment on the document in its entirety. But then he is a politician! Luckily, Kenyans are enlightened.
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Submitted by thanairobian
Posted April 19, 2010 11:41 AM
When they were building consensus at Naivasha wasn't Hon Ruto there. Didn't he take the kudos for the consensus? How confused is Kenayn leadership.
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Submitted by Henry4
Posted April 19, 2010 11:35 AM
you can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time. We have seen the light and a new constitution will be upon us. Period!
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Submitted by mikeotechi
Posted April 19, 2010 11:29 AM
William Ruto is now sounding like a stuck turn-table.The little that I had when on the one-on-one interview with Martha Karua,he came out disappointing.You could serve Kenyans well to troop together a team of lawyers who can craft the kind of Dream amendments you propose so that we can assess the merits you speak about.You may then discover that they will revolt the majority.
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Submitted by summer6
Posted April 19, 2010 11:10 AM
It is bad because it is going to provide equality no more of big man syndrmme. If we all can earn 800,000/monthn not bad Ruto
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 19, 2010 18:37:50 GMT 3
he he
phil, hizo comments ni mot moto!
The guy thought his bravado, backed by his bet, eti R and ODM would say NO, when they did not get EXACTLY what they wanted, has instead backfired to bite his behind.
As one commentator said, how can he expect Kenyans to vote NO, when he was amongst the primary author of the document!
Man the rope he was given inamnyonga kweli kweli!
I think I was right when I counseled patience with this dude's tantrums.
If he were expelled by ODM hierarchy, he would have been a martyr, and thus gotten some shelter from the radioactive fallout out of his intrigues.
I wonder how his lawyers who we know are not that smart, will figure out this for him. How will they orchestrate a political Houdini and let him loose from the ever self tightening noose?
He has lost the most important political currency.
TRUST!
Sasa yeye ni jangili tuu!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 24, 2010 23:42:17 GMT 3
How come ruto did not know this, is it naivete or stupidity of false sense of hubris?
aid a source close to the PM: "Kibaki’s people don’t trust Ruto and they always insisted that he needed to be dealt with at the correct moment. (Last) week, they appeared to have agreed it was time". And there began the PM’s journey of retracing his friends in the Rift Valley, with Dr Sally Kosgei — a decidedly Raila supporter from the start — getting the plum Agriculture ministry.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 24, 2010 23:49:07 GMT 3
When will the Prime Minister answer this very troublesome and potentially devastating charge
"Instead of Raila fighting for the release of those arrested following post-election violence he has continued to humiliate the community," said the ministe
This cannot be swept under the rug and the more its repeated by ruto the more damage he continues to wreak.
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Post by enigma on Apr 25, 2010 0:41:48 GMT 3
When will the Prime Minister answer this very troublesome and potentially devastating charge "Instead of Raila fighting for the release of those arrested following post-election violence he has continued to humiliate the community," said the ministeThis cannot be swept under the rug and the more its repeated by ruto the more damage he continues to wreak. PM, he will keep repeating that one claim and then one day he will be hit with the facts. I think with the right strategy and timing, this can be a very effective sling for WKR and his associates. If you start pushing back against this claim in the midst of the katiba campaigns or MAU, a distraction is created and it can create irreparable damage for the future. I think the best time to debunk this claim is to wait until Ocampo makes serious progress and then start systematically upending the planks of WKR's argumentation on PEV. The PM should not answer him directly. Neither should ODM. That task should be given to the numerous human rights organisations. Let them get credit for championing the rights of the forgotten PEV youth. Let them do it transparently. If there are indeed youth in the gallows, their plight needs to be addressed. If there arent and this is demonstrated in a transparent process, you can go back to the community and show them how your patience and restraint has been vindicated in the face of false attacks by the kingpin. Managing WKR effectively can turn all the acrimony into political capital. Or it may not, but atleast you are in control making all the calls and not being drawn. |
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Post by okhunyanye on Apr 25, 2010 9:42:24 GMT 3
When will the Prime Minister answer this very troublesome and potentially devastating charge Mr Odinga dismissed critics like Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto who have accused him of turning against the Kalenjin who heavily backed him at the last General Election. “Every single issue they have raised is laced with mischief and half truths. They said I did not fight for the release of youths who were arrested following the violence. Those who were in Cabinet will tell you I raised the issue ... It is only that as PM I could not go on roof tops to proclaim this. |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 25, 2010 11:46:40 GMT 3
When will the Prime Minister answer this very troublesome and potentially devastating charge Mr Odinga dismissed critics like Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto who have accused him of turning against the Kalenjin who heavily backed him at the last General Election. “Every single issue they have raised is laced with mischief and half truths. They said I did not fight for the release of youths who were arrested following the violence. Those who were in Cabinet will tell you I raised the issue ... It is only that as PM I could not go on roof tops to proclaim this. Ruto claims that Raila is never fighting for the release of those arrested following post-election violence he has continued to humiliate the community . Raila claims that those who were in Cabinet will tell you he raised the issue it is only that he could not go on roof tops to proclaim this. Unfortunately, anyone believing the politicians must be out of their minds! But Raila is being funny here! His own cabinet colleague accuses him doing zilch, and then he comes to tell us he does not do these things from rooftops and has raised it in cabinet meetings which this other michievious fellow attends! How about telling us what he said in cabinet and if he did not refer to them as criminals! Raila aache ujinga! |
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Post by tiskie on Apr 25, 2010 20:21:27 GMT 3
Ruto claims that Raila is never fighting for the release of those arrested following post-election violence he has continued to humiliate the community . Raila claims that those who were in Cabinet will tell you he raised the issue it is only that he could not go on roof tops to proclaim this. Unfortunately, anyone believing the politicians must be out of their minds! But Raila is being funny here! His own cabinet colleague accuses him doing zilch, and then he comes to tell us he does not do these things from rooftops and has raised it in cabinet meetings which this other michievious fellow attends! How about telling us what he said in cabinet and if he did not refer to them as criminals! Raila aache ujinga! Raila Has nothing to hide.. why don't Kenyans start by asking Kibaki some serious questions? and my question would be was Ruto involved in the game plan with Kibaki that so thousands slaughtered, shoot dead in cold blood by the executive order from Kibaki? 1. AP's are now confirmed missing or dead? ordered by Kibaki to go shoot innocent Kenyans( Kenyans fought back to protect themselves) 2. Mt. Elgon- Thousands of youths missing? where are they 3. Mungiki youths some executed and some still missing- where are they? 4. 2007 - 2008- many people missing who worked on coffee & tea farms in central province.. where are they? Now Kenyans should ask Ruto a very serious question? was he in cahoot all along with the PNU, KKK, PDM alliance? since it didn't take him long to join them at the hip!! Ruto should ask those questions of missing youth to his best buddy Kibaki and to stop pretending that he cares when the only person he can get answers from is yours truly his confidants Mwai Kibaki, Uhuru & Martha Karua who were running the ship during the clashes!!! attacking Raila won't pan out.. Kenyans are too intelligent to be suckered by Ruto's usual propaganda |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 25, 2010 20:25:42 GMT 3
Tiskie
I think you need to realise how your interventions are normally misplaced.
How about suggesting that Tiskie is a somali refugee claiming to be Kenyan hence his sucking up to Raila hoping that Kajwang will make him a Kenyan citizen?
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Post by tiskie on Apr 25, 2010 20:55:30 GMT 3
Tiskie I think you need to realise how your interventions are normally misplaced. How about suggesting that Tiskie is a somali refugee claiming to be Kenyan hence his sucking up to Raila hoping that Kajwang will make him a Kenyan citizen? Oh My!! what a childish individual you are?? worse than some of the politicians ;D are you for real? using your lies, propaganda and innuendo style here ha!!ha!! seriously, you are sounding more like Kibaki and uhuru!! grow up pal... ? ;D Meanwhile... Kibaki needs to answer to Kenyans where are all those missing Kenyans?? who disappeared between 2007-2008 even the police are now denying that they are not in the cells as claimed!! SO WHERE ARE THEY? I would hate to think that they received the same fate like the Mungiki youths " execution" by Kibaki's orders!!!Kamale ask Kibaki where all this people are if you want to be a useful citizen or else you will always remain a Joke! |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 25, 2010 21:47:32 GMT 3
Tiskie
Do you remember what I told you would kill you? I think you are staring that disease on its face and when it comes for you, then you are irredeemable!
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Post by job on Apr 28, 2010 20:03:17 GMT 3
MOI smells Ruto's vulnerability and goes for the political kill in RV www.nation.co.ke/News/regional/M…index.htmlAt Kamukunji, Mr Moi was joined by several other MPs from the Rift Valley Province. Assistant minister for Roads Wilfred Machage was present. Although Mr Moi is in the same camp with Mr Ruto, he appeared unhappy with the Eldoret North MP.
Without mentioning names he said: “I am disturbed that certain leaders who have been privy to these provisions in the draft constitution can turn around and purport to be in opposition to the draft, in which they were instrumental in all stages of development.”
Mr Ruto was one of the members of the Parliamentary Select Committee on Constitution who attended the Naivasha meeting to make changes on the draft.
“My views are certainly personal and are not founded on, shared with, or based on views held by a group of individuals, political faction or any entities,” Mr Moi said. And after fattening Ruto, Kibaki begins the slow isolation process, in readiness for the slaughter; In the cabinet meeting the only vocal ‘No’ voice was Minister for Higher Education, William Ruto, who is now pushing for a ‘Yes’ and ‘Yes’ to amendments later’ options at the referendum.
The President is said to have told the meeting "Huu ndio msimamo wa serikali na yule hataki huu msimamo huu ako huru kuenda popote anataka." (This is the position of the Government and whoever is opposed to it has the freedom to go where he/she wants). In short;
1- William Kipchirchir Ruto short-changed his Rift Valley constituents at Naivasha's PSC retreat in exchange for a misguided promise of political reward within KKK in case he demolished ODM (& Agwambo)
2- His constituents immediately rose up in protest (against mutilation of majimbo and Rift Valley Province)
3- In response, Ruto backtracked and started criticizing the draft - too little too late.
4- Moi sounded a warning saying he would not be part of decisions that history (and the former Rift valley) would eventually judge harshly.
5- Moi now specifically calls on William Ruto's hypocrisy and asks him to carry his 'Naivasha constitution baby' whose judgment in RV is already harsh.
6- Kibaki tells Ruto if he doesn't support the draft he personally helped create, then he can go 'popote anataka' (aka 'to hell').And that ladies and gentlemen is the cantankerous, thoughtless, and reckless politics of William Kipchirchir Ruto, whose prime concern was cheap blackmailing of one Agwambo (who has refused to toe William Ruto's ridiculous demands of false entitlement.)
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 28, 2010 20:18:31 GMT 3
That singular element of truth, that ruto wrote the draft that he is NOW SAYING NO to, should be repeated where ever this dude opens his double speaking mouth.
His hypocrisy should be pointed out to him time and again.
His reckless, feckless vendetta against the Prime Minister has now blown up in his face.
AO one time posed a very interesting scenario here for food for thought, based on ruto tantrums.
He asked what would have happened had ODM got power (we know oODM won the stolen election). But still, what would have happened to R, had he been P.O.R.K, in the face of a ruto rebellion? AO asked if based on the voter tallies and MPs etc, would he have been vulnerable to black mail by ruto for the advancement of a narrow sectarian agenda? Its a very scary thought.
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Post by mzee on Apr 29, 2010 0:18:25 GMT 3
I think that we have discussed and agreed that the WKR political future that looked bright has diminished and is continuing to do so. I think that WKR is feeling the heat not from his protector mister Kibaki but his kalenjin brethren. He promised them heaven and delivered hell.
The position that the man finds himself is not very enviable and very difficult to wriggle out of. The easy part for WKR was shouting Raila this and Raila that. As reality sets in he now finds himself in a position in which he cannot shout Railas name and be believed. It does not matter if he does the shouting from the depths of Mau forest or elsewhere.
Why don’t you see Uhuru and Kiraitu calling fund raisers at Serena Hotel to help “victims” of the Mau? No they won’t. Their mission of completely disorientating WKR is complete and they are not interested anymore.
Where is the so called alliance between Uhuru, Balala and Ruto? Its dead as a dodo and everybody knows about it. Uhuru and co won’t touch him with a 20 meter pole until after the referendum when they will wipe him clean and use him once in 2012. I hope that he becomes UK´s running mate. In that way Kenyans will have the opportunity to deal with both once and for all, if Ocampo has not done just that by then.
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Post by shifta on Apr 29, 2010 5:44:16 GMT 3
Wananchi - I think Ruto' s poltical demise is way exaggerated. I have been one of those critical over his role in the original mutilation of the katiba before CoE stepped in...BUT this is kenya where politicians have multiple lives. Do not dance on is grave yet - he still has a long life ahead, unless the Ocampo factor is for real. After all is that not Moi making noise all over RV and yet we had him buried in 2002?
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Post by enigma on Apr 29, 2010 8:01:49 GMT 3
Wananchi - I think Ruto' s poltical demise is way exaggerated. I have been one of those critical over his role in the original mutilation of the katiba before CoE stepped in...BUT this is kenya where politicians have multiple lives. Do not dance on is grave yet - he still has a long life ahead, unless the Ocampo factor is for real. After all is that not Moi making noise all over RV and yet we had him buried in 2002? A marginal leader at best. The national stature is gone. |
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Post by phil on Apr 29, 2010 9:22:57 GMT 3
Wananchi - I think Ruto' s poltical demise is way exaggerated. I have been one of those critical over his role in the original mutilation of the katiba before CoE stepped in...BUT this is kenya where politicians have multiple lives. Do not dance on is grave yet - he still has a long life ahead, unless the Ocampo factor is for real. After all is that not Moi making noise all over RV and yet we had him buried in 2002? A marginal leader at best. The national stature is gone. True. There are those supporting Ruto because a divided ODM suits their whims. There are those who will do anything to get as much opposition to the PM as possible. In most cases, it is not that they support Ruto per se. In fact, if it was not for ODM's resolve, Ruto would probably not have been free let alone sit in the cabinet! |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 29, 2010 19:32:03 GMT 3
True.
There are those supporting Ruto because a divided ODM suits their whims.
There are those who will do anything to get as much opposition to the PM as possible.
In most cases, it is not that they support Ruto per se. In fact, if it was not for ODM's resolve, Ruto would probably not have been free let alone sit in the cabinet! True! The enemy of my enemy is my friend! I can understand ruto constituents supporting him. But the Panuistas? come on'!! They hate this guys guts! Just like the RV folks hate jomo jnrs guts. The Panuistas have but a single aim. Stop R At any cost! But the tsunami cometh! As I have said and will say, they have one option. And its not a pretty one. let them EVEN NOT THINK ABOUT IT. |
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