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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 20:33:03 GMT 3
mbutaYou're not allowed to post rubbish here. You could have just put up the link. Kathure, what is exactly your problem now? That i posted the whole story and not just the link? How exactly is it rubbish? It's a different humorous take on the happenings at the stadium, if you don't like it,move on, but stop calling people's posts rubbish, it should be beneath you...people post articles here from other sites all the time, if you have a problem with that, show me where its forbidden in Jukwaa...otherwise take a chill pill.... mbutaHere is but one example of what is trashy about this stupid piece purporting to be funny. "Most thought it was peculiar, weird or a bit gay (in the defence of gays; I think gays love any game with balls)"I could go on, but I haven't time to waste.
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Post by mbuta on Mar 21, 2012 20:42:11 GMT 3
Kathure, what is exactly your problem now? That i posted the whole story and not just the link? How exactly is it rubbish? It's a different humorous take on the happenings at the stadium, if you don't like it,move on, but stop calling people's posts rubbish, it should be beneath you...people post articles here from other sites all the time, if you have a problem with that, show me where its forbidden in Jukwaa...otherwise take a chill pill.... mbutaHere is but one example of what is trashy about this stupid piece purporting to be funny. "Most thought it was peculiar, weird or a bit gay (in the defence of gays; I think gays love any game with balls)"I could go on, but I haven't time to waste. Let me just get this straight, are you trying to say that this article is anti-gay? Seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 20:48:28 GMT 3
mbutaHere is but one example of what is trashy about this stupid piece purporting to be funny. "Most thought it was peculiar, weird or a bit gay (in the defence of gays; I think gays love any game with balls)"I could go on, but I haven't time to waste. Let me just get this straight, are you trying to say that this article is anti-gay? Seriously? Ya. that sentence is! seriously
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Post by mbuta on Mar 21, 2012 20:55:52 GMT 3
Let me just get this straight, are you trying to say that this article is anti-gay? Seriously? Ya. that sentence is! seriously And going by that logic,you'd say that all the Luo words there are also anti- non luo speakers in Kenya and beyond, right? And the writer plus dude shouting 'huyo ref ni mkamba' should be booking face time with Kibunja and his committee, huh?
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Post by b6k on Mar 22, 2012 6:13:17 GMT 3
Ban fans from watching ALL Gor matches at ALL venues. Problem solved. They can watch on TV or follow the match on their radios.
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Post by genius on Mar 22, 2012 10:36:41 GMT 3
It is very easy to blame Gor for everything these days. But a much more effective solution is to just have competent referees officiating KPL games. The kind of jokers we have reffing in Kenyan premier league matches are going to cause more trouble soon.
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Post by genius on Mar 22, 2012 10:50:18 GMT 3
I understand Phil's anger: in his misguided opinion, he thinks the behaviour of Gor Mahia fans is going to cost Raila Odinga a lot of votes. I have heard a lot of this kind of talk over the past two weeks. You people need to understand that Gor Mahia is not Raila Odinga and Raila Odinga is not Gor Mahia. The fate of one should not be linked to other.
Supersport are a bunch of leeches and I will be glad the day they make their exit from Kenyan sports. The Kenya Rugby Union already saw how evil these supersport guys are. I hope Gor Mahia will also see the same. Tuzo is an equally useless sponsor and Gor is better off without them. In the two years of Tuzo sponsorship, all they have done is try to change Gor's colours from the traditional green to an ugly blue. Gor Mahia is not a billboard!
For as long as there is myopic officiating, Gor Mahia fans will not take it lying down. Other teams may, but not the might K'Ogalo. Learn to live with it.
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Post by phil on Mar 22, 2012 11:57:37 GMT 3
I understand Phil's anger: in his misguided opinion, he thinks the behaviour of Gor Mahia fans is going to cost Raila Odinga a lot of votes. I have heard a lot of this kind of talk over the past two weeks. You people need to understand that Gor Mahia is not Raila Odinga and Raila Odinga is not Gor Mahia. The fate of one should not be linked to other. This is a false notion. Nowhere did I suggest that RAO is Kogallo and vice versa. In fact, Raila appears to have boycotted recent Kogallo games because of the uncouth behavior of the hooligans who follow the club everywhere. On this we may agree. But come to think of it, what alternatives are out there anyway? When Gor's main source of income is gate collections, very little trickles down to help the player or the club. There's fraud in ticket sales and this fraud is perpatuated by officials who are only too keen on using the club as springboard to politics. Gor players are now earning the wages regularly, enjoying full medical cover and travel in relative comfort whenever they are playing outside Nairobi. Officials are also paid on time - all because of Tuzo. Kogallo fans have no right to take the law into their hands. Neither do they have a right disrupt traffic or harass innocent wananchi going about their business outside the stadia. And talking of poor officiating, last Sunday's match in which a Gor player was a shown a straight red for a dangerous tackle (raised boot, kung-fu style) did not leave the ref with any option. This is a FIFA regulation that is practiced all over the globe. If Gor fans cannot appreciate rules, then what? By the way, am happy to support another community club known as sofapaka. Our fans are a huge contrast to arrogant and uncivilized Kogallo hooligans who are only good at smuggling stones, alcohol and bhangi into the soccer pitches. Sofapaka is currently only second to AFC Leopards in the league standings. Tells you how miserable the 'mighty' Gor is currently lying number 13! Says something about their attitude.
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Post by otiende on Mar 22, 2012 12:35:18 GMT 3
Has anybody ever heard of or seen the English or the Russian (skin heads) football hooligans? They will make Gor Mahia fans look like mother Teresa in humility before the statue of the holy Mary. On another note, what is wrong in Gor Mahia fans hailing from an ethnic group? Ethnicity, just like race or any other social categorization is never a problem until somebody or a social class mobilizes them to achieve a certain political end. How can one demonize ethnic identity and claim that the more recently crafted nation states are more authentic. It is evident from Kamale's frequent contributions that he cannot deploy his mental faculties to think beyond ethnic identity.He is not a lone in this but that does not make him right
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Post by genius on Mar 22, 2012 14:39:19 GMT 3
Phil, Gor Mahia's bus was bought by the fans. Tuzo did not contribute a cent towards the purchasing of that bus. In addition, Tuzo does not provide the players with medical insurance. In fact right now as we speak, the players have no medical insurance and it is the supporters who are trying to arrange a medical cover for the players.
About Sunday's match. Ali Abondo's tackle on the Leopards player was not kung fu style, neither did it deserve a straight red card. It was a 50-50 ball and both players went for the ball with their feet in the air. If the referee was so keen on preventing dangerous play, how come he left the Leopards players go unpunished for at least five malicious tackles. Gor Mahia had been forced to make 2 substitutions due to injuries inflicted on them by nasty leopards tackles. The worst part is: just a few minutes before the fateful red card, a Gor Mahia player was tackled from behind by a Leopards player (normally this should be a straight red card but the ref did nothing about it) and even as the ref was issuing that red card to Abondo, another Gor Mahia player was on the ground writhing in pain courtesy of another vicious bookable tackle by leopards which went unnoticed. Obviously, you can only test the fans' patience for a limited time, something was bound to give.
Since you support Sofapaka, I understand why you have no complaint about the referees. Who does not know the back room deals that the Sofapaka president has with the match referees who always help them win games they do not deserve to win?
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Post by phil on Mar 22, 2012 15:42:35 GMT 3
genius, Tuzo sponsorship is Gor's lifeline and many clubs all over Africa are salivating at the prospect of such a deal. We need to ask why Gor a clinging on to it if they are not getting their money's worth. Gor has already launched an appeal as have AFC Leopards. My view is that Gor fans must learn to live with the decisions of the ref. Other clubs are doing it. In any case they have it within their powers to influence the standards of officiating. But is wrong, and am surprised you appear to condone it, for Gor fans to unleash violence whenever decisions do not go their way. Innocent people and businesses in and around the stadium continue to suffer at the hands of Gor fans whenever they team is playing, win or lose. Its normally worse when they lose. As you can see, this has nothing to do with politics but with Raila Odinga serving as Kogallo patron, there will be those who want to capitalise on that link to score cheap political points. Its politics.
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Post by mangai on Mar 22, 2012 16:08:18 GMT 3
Since Jukwaa is about politics, let me add a little bit of it into this.
It is true Gor Mahia has most of its support from Luos while Leopards draws from Luhyia (why else could we be talking of mashemeji derby if we were not referring to the two tribes?). The behaviour of Gor Mahia fans goes along way to reinforce the stereotypes associated with Luos that Raila has of late been trying to defend (remember the........ simama kwanza, serikali inakojoa!).
Why would for instance grown up Gor fans sing dirges around the Tom Mboya statue on Moi Avenue while disparaging Musalia Mudavadi? What did Musalia have to do with their match against Leopards? Some of the acts are despicable to say the least.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 22, 2012 16:19:17 GMT 3
genius, Tuzo sponsorship is Gor's lifeline and many clubs all over Africa are salivating at the prospect of such a deal. We need to ask why Gor a clinging on to it if they are not getting their money's worth. Gor has already launched an appeal as have AFC Leopards. My view is that Gor fans must learn to live with the decisions of the ref. Other clubs are doing it. In any case they have it within their powers to influence the standards of officiating. But is wrong, and am surprised you appear to condone it, for Gor fans to unleash violence whenever decisions do not go their way. Innocent people and businesses in and around the stadium continue to suffer at the hands of Gor fans whenever they team is playing, win or lose. Its normally worse when they lose. As you can see, this has nothing to do with politics but with Raila Odinga serving as Kogallo patron, there will be those who want to capitalise on that link to score cheap political points. Its politics. Phil, Its good to see you being objective and stating the truth months after claiming Khalwale and Wamalwa instigated the stone throwing in the last game that pitied the 2 teams .See below jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=5615&page=5#81212Another critical and vital point you highlighted is the effect of the hooliganism to businesses and the small economy of Kenya due to the location of Nyayo stadium i.e. btwn Mombasa Road/Highway and Uhuru Highway.
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Post by genius on Mar 22, 2012 16:28:29 GMT 3
Since Jukwaa is about politics, let me add a little bit of it into this. It is true Gor Mahia has most of its support from Luos while Leopards draws from Luhyia (why else could we be talking of mashemeji derby if we were not referring to the two tribes?). The behaviour of Gor Mahia fans goes along way to reinforce the stereotypes associated with Luos that Raila has of late been trying to defend (remember the........ simama kwanza, serikali inakojoa!). Why would for instance grown up Gor fans sing dirges around the Tom Mboya statue on Moi Avenue while disparaging Musalia Mudavadi? What did Musalia have to do with their match against Leopards? Some of the acts are despicable to say the least. this is false. Where did Gor fans sing anything against Mudavadi? This is propaganda. If anything it is AFC fans who had turned the match into a political contest, saying all manner of negative things about Gor Mahia supporters and Raila. I wish you had visited the Leopards blogs in the days preceeding the match and even the few days after the match. This was not about football, this was all political. They even went as far as claiming that Gor fans had killed an AFC fan. This was later proved to be untrue.
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Post by mangai on Mar 22, 2012 17:20:53 GMT 3
Since Jukwaa is about politics, let me add a little bit of it into this. It is true Gor Mahia has most of its support from Luos while Leopards draws from Luhyia (why else could we be talking of mashemeji derby if we were not referring to the two tribes?). The behaviour of Gor Mahia fans goes along way to reinforce the stereotypes associated with Luos that Raila has of late been trying to defend (remember the........ simama kwanza, serikali inakojoa!). Why would for instance grown up Gor fans sing dirges around the Tom Mboya statue on Moi Avenue while disparaging Musalia Mudavadi? What did Musalia have to do with their match against Leopards? Some of the acts are despicable to say the least. this is false. Where did Gor fans sing anything against Mudavadi? This is propaganda. If anything it is AFC fans who had turned the match into a political contest, saying all manner of negative things about Gor Mahia supporters and Raila. I wish you had visited the Leopards blogs in the days preceeding the match and even the few days after the match. This was not about football, this was all political. They even went as far as claiming that Gor fans had killed an AFC fan. This was later proved to be untrue. Genius,I am not quoting from any blogs or newspaper/tv reports but what i witnessed personally.
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Post by genius on Mar 22, 2012 17:25:09 GMT 3
this is false. Where did Gor fans sing anything against Mudavadi? This is propaganda. If anything it is AFC fans who had turned the match into a political contest, saying all manner of negative things about Gor Mahia supporters and Raila. I wish you had visited the Leopards blogs in the days preceeding the match and even the few days after the match. This was not about football, this was all political. They even went as far as claiming that Gor fans had killed an AFC fan. This was later proved to be untrue. Genius,I am not quoting from any blogs or newspaper/tv reports but what i witnessed personally. bla bla bla .... everybody claims to be an eye witness these days. Even the guys who claimed that and AFC Leopards supporter had been murdered by Gor supporters claimed they witnessed it personally. The only problem was that they could not produce the body.
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Post by mangai on Mar 22, 2012 17:32:22 GMT 3
Genius,I am not quoting from any blogs or newspaper/tv reports but what i witnessed personally. bla bla bla .... everybody claims to be an eye witness these days. Even the guys who claimed that and AFC Leopards supporter had been murdered by Gor supporters claimed they witnessed it personally. The only problem was that they could not produce the body. My friend, bury your head in the sand. Assume nothing happened and lets move on. I am always reserved when it comes to such kind of altercations.
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Post by genius on Mar 22, 2012 17:37:46 GMT 3
bla bla bla .... everybody claims to be an eye witness these days. Even the guys who claimed that and AFC Leopards supporter had been murdered by Gor supporters claimed they witnessed it personally. The only problem was that they could not produce the body. My friend, bury your head in the sand. Assume nothing happened and lets move on. I am always reserved when it comes to such kind of altercations. It's better that you keep quiet. Inventing a story will not be allowed. It is on record that AFC supporters are the ones who turned this football match into a political thing. But now you ae here trying to twist the story to make it look like it is Gor supporters who are guilty. Hapana! Gor fans may be the ones who disrupted the match. But the ones who brought political undertones to this whole thing are the leopards led by their chairman who is a PNU nominated councillor in the thuggish Nairobi City Council. So far I haven't heard any Gor fan say anything negative about Mudavadi. But the vitriol being poured by AFC fans about Raila and his community are just amazing. Visit facebook and twitter for a few hours and see for yourself rather than trying to invent facts.
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Post by Dumekenya on Mar 23, 2012 10:28:53 GMT 3
I think the only way to stem out this systemic problem of football hooliganism is to introduce membership program for the different clubs in the country. A regulation should be put in place to ensure that only registered club members and funs are allowed into the stadia to cheer up and support their soccer team. I believe KPL officials are people who have gone to school and they see this stuff. Yes I know furore will emanate from divergent views but I believe it would only be sane to be allowed to support a team you are cable of associating with. These funds will also help the club to be commited in ensuring funs /members satisfaction.
All the hulabaloo going around "Gor this... AFC that"will not help us here let us think on the best ways possible to stop the hooligans from gaining access and interupting our beatiful soccer games.
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Post by phil on Mar 23, 2012 16:30:58 GMT 3
Sports Stadia Management Board has today announced Gor Mahia FC has been banned from using any of its stadia until the end of the season.
This means Gor will have to look for a difference venue to play their matches and that these venues must be certified as safe for fans and players by FKL and FIFA.
Needless to say, Gor Secretary General has come out guns blazzing thanking the SSMB for making the revert their matches to City Stadium where their fans feel more at home.
He does not see any loss of revenue arising from less fans attending matches at City Stadium because it is a smaller stadium without a secure car park and situated in the Eastlands side of nairobi which a significant number of fans may not be comfortable going to watch matches at.
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Post by beamer on Mar 27, 2012 17:11:14 GMT 3
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