Why Raila is Martian and the Pope is German

[kamalet]

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“Members must always vote according to the wishes of the party. You cannot be a member of a party yet you are voting against the wishes of your party. It does not happen in the House of Commons or even congress,” he said.

This statement by Raila would be so right in an ideal democracy that is not Kenyan!

Just why does Raila forget that people get elected for who they are rather than the party they are running on Kenya? My point is that people for Raila the person and it did not matter what party ticket he was running on even if it is the Placenta party - they will still vote for him. It is not any different to the likes of Ruto and company. They were elected because of who they were and not because they were running on an ODM ticket.

So either Raila is being a tottering idiot in making statements about expelling people for not towing party line or he is being misadvised!

Kenya still has a long way to go before people can be looking at parties as vehicles of ideology than mere vehicles to get to parliament! Raila surely knows this!

[nereah]

kamau is challenged, as usual.

anyone out there to help. kipfirimbi? okolowaka? tnk? omin? roughrider?.............phil?,merlin?mwinyi? mongobeti?....any volunteer ?

[phil]

Mar 1, 2011 13:49:17 GMT 3 kamalet said:

www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1116782/-/7p1lqf/-/index.html

“Members must always vote according to the wishes of the party. You cannot be a member of a party yet you are voting against the wishes of your party. It does not happen in the House of Commons or even congress,” he said.

This statement by Raila would be so right in an ideal democracy that is not Kenyan!

Just why does Raila forget that people get elected for who they are rather than the party they are running on Kenya? My point is that people for Raila the person and it did not matter what party ticket he was running on even if it is the Placenta party - they will still vote for him. It is not any different to the likes of Ruto and company. They were elected because of who they were and not because they were running on an ODM ticket.

So either Raila is being a tottering idiot in making statements about expelling people for not towing party line or he is being misadvised!

Kenya still has a long way to go before people can be looking at parties as vehicles of ideology than mere vehicles to get to parliament! Raila surely knows this!

Kamale

Sometimes you ought to think before starting such threads.

Raila is party leader and thus has got the legal and moral grounds to speak on the direction he would wish to see his party take. As far as ODM is concerned Raila is answerable to the party membership and not hallucinating bloggers idling on the world wide web.

The good thing here is that as he talks, Raila has the political party's act, the country's constitution, and even standing orders to back him. On your part, what have you got to back up words like ".....Kenya still has a long way to go before people can be looking at parties as vehicles of ideology than mere vehicles to get to parliament!...." So if I may ask what is the purpose of the constitutional declaration that Kenya shall be a multiparty democracy?

Party leaders like Kalonzo and Uhuru can continue making a mockery of political laws. This country has changed forever and the people are getting smarter each day. That is why they will remain Mr. 8% and Mr. 10% because the have nothing to offer apart from retrogression.

Save for the disgraceful antics of Ruto and his allies, the ODM has set the trend and shown by example what is meant by internal democracy in so far as multiparty democracy is concerned. And here we are not just talking about tolerance but also seeking the people's approval be it by-elections, workshops, etc etc. This latest move by the party to expel disgruntled members is actually a demand from the majority of the members. At all meetings the party has had since 2 years ago, it has always been raised by delegates but the NEC has not been keen to implement it given the situation with our transitional politics.

The new dispensation will show that the ODM was the best prepared in complying with the new laws. But they must first do some internal house keeping.

[destiny]

"This latest move by the party to expel disgruntled members is actually a demand from the majority of the members"

And you think once the disgruntled members are kicked out there won't be new dissenters taking their place? Of course there will be. This is Kenya and all one has to do is wave a fat cheque for fresh grumbling to start. The last time I can remember party members being yanked off were in KANU's dictatorship days. If Ruto and co are booted this will be translated as dictatorship and tribalism, yes- only in Kenya. Let them make as much noise as possible until they get tired then they will fall asleep. In any case, the general elections are not too far away if ICC doesn't come knocking first.

[kamalet]

Phil

Yes Raila has the Political Parties Act and the constitution to back him. But he still is being downright stupid to think that expelling members strengthens the party - it just weakens.

If you guys did not have your heads so deep in the sand - especially when this idiot call Raila is mentioned - you can see that ODM is progressively being reduced to a party of a single community. And please do not bring this nonesense about the likes of Mudavadi and Kingi - these are political opportunists who know their survival in politics is premised on euphoria politics!

Bottom line is you can sit and wish democratic values - but if you are honest with yourselves, you will know that come 2012, all those who sung ODM and Arap Mibei, will not be in ODM and then you wonder exactly what happened!

[phil]

The ODM as a party has aspirations and targets to achieve, even as we await the next general election. The party has ambition and it is a choice between entertaining rebels and staying disunited or streamlining party operations and membership through existing laws and also through elections.

ODM's parliamentary majority only exists on paper. PNU's majority is a fraud and a violation of the law. ODM's frustration is PNU's pleasure. These are two parties, one that is in power through fraud and enjoying the lion's share of power while the other continues to fight for its rightful 50% power sharing right.

When ODM is not where it is by chance. It has taken a lot of sacrifice and efforts of party members, volunteers and the general goodwill of the people to get it where it is. Rather than entertain people who cannot seem to make up their minds if they want to reclaim the Mau, or entertain those who do not want justice delivered to PEV victims, the party wants to take a clear, forthright and morally correct posture in ALL of the challenges currently facing the country.

When people who profess to be a majority do not want to follow proper channels in expressing their grievances, then you must surely know that their majority does not exist and that their intentions are not what they publicly say them to be.

If the party is making a wrong choice, then it will be people to judge it and not you Kamale.

[nowayhaha]

And We Thought with the ousting of KANU the democratic views in Kenyan political parties will be respected but alas once a member expresses a divergent view then the solution is to expel him.

This is just deja vu
21st Century Raila = 20th Century Moi
21st Century ODM =20th Century KANU

Remember this

Monday, 08 November 1999 21:30
Share 0Rebel Kanu MPs yesterday dismissed their party's weekend threat not to sponsor them in future elections.

One of them described the warning by secretary-general Joseph Kamotho as "nonsensical". Another said that the party risked becoming irrelevant in the next millennium and declared he was not even planning to seek re-election on a Kanu ticket.

Cherangany MP Kipruto arap Kirwa, who has been trying to register a new party - United Democratic Movement - with fellow renegade Cyrus Jirongo, said if his party was not registered he would decamp to another.

He told Mr. Kamotho to "guard his tongue" and asked: "Who gave Kamotho the mandate to speak for us?" He and two other Kanu MPs were reacting to remarks by Mr. Kamotho on 25 ruling party MPs who refused to back President Moi's request that they should vote down a Bill designed to strip him of some of his powers.

Mr. Kamotho, speaking in Gucha, had declared that the MPs supporting the Bill by opposition legislator Oloo Aringo were only being tolerated by Kanu and would be dealt with at the next General Election.

Mr. Kirwa said: "I am thankful to Mr. Kamotho for giving a chance to many MPs to realise that Kanu is not a mass movement. It is a party of a clique of people who are seeking political alignment where their democratic views will have a chance."

Mr. Kirwa said the Kanu clique risked making itself irrelevant in the next millennium with such utterances. He cautioned his ruling party colleagues who did not agree with the ideals of Kanu hardliners to watch out and choose their future political parties now.

Mr. Kirwa said Kanu had been scheming all along how to get even with Kanu MPs who did not subscribe to their undemocratic methods of running the party.

"They have accommodated us because they know that without us the political equilibrium will be upset," he said.

Mr. Kirwa said members of UDM had gone to court and expected the party to be registered before the next General Election.

"We hope justice will take place and we will be registered. If the party is not registered I'll vie on any other party ticket but not Kanu."

Mr. Tony Ndilinge, the MP for Kilome, said Kanu was not anybody's personal asset but a mass movement.

"Kamotho should start by respecting his own constitution, before saying nonsensical things to elected leaders," he said. (Mr. Kamotho has been nominated to Parliament twice after losing in both 1989 and 1997 elections in Mathioya constituency.)

Mr. Ndilinge reminded the party boss that Kanu's elections had been pending for 10 years in contravention of the party's constitution, which requires the polls to be held at intervals of five years.

In a statement, Kisii civic leaders told Mr. Kamotho that being sponsored by Kanu did not guarantee victory in elections

They said that only the people of Nyaribari Chache constituency would the fate of former Minister Simeon Nyachae, a leading party dissident.

They demanded an apology from Mr. Kamotho and warned him not to step in Kisii.

"If he comes to his planned fundraising in Nyamira next week, it will be at his own risk," the statement said.

It was signed by, among others, Coun Wilfred Monyenye, Coun Claire Omanga, Coun Peter Monda, Coun Titus Omae, Coun Jackson Ontegi, Coun George Masereti, Coun Masega Nyaboga, Coun Mokweri and a businessman Mr. Michael Nyachae.

Masinga MP Ronald Kiluta, said Mr. Kamotho knows that he lacks the mandate of Kanu members to speak on behalf of the party.

"Who tells him that we will be in Kanu during the next General Election. After all Kanu won't be the same party come the year 2002," he said.

Col Kiluta said Mr. Kamotho and other top Kanu leaders should first ask themselves why there are so many dissenting voices in the party before issuing threats against members, he said.

Mosop MP John Sambu, who is also regarded as a Kanu critic, declined to comment.

Mr. Kamotho, speaking at a fundraising meeting in Kisii district, said Kanu would not expel the dissidents to sustain its majority in Parliament until the next elections.

"The Kanu MPs who have rebelled are a thorn in the party but we can't expel them now for we'll cause a bigger problem," he is reported to have said.

The rebellion came last Wednesday when the President called the MPs to State House, Nairobi, to tell them of the party's stand on the stalled constitutional review.
But when he proposed that they should oppose a Bill by Mr. Aringo which would make Parliamentary staff independent of the Civil Service, they rejected his request.

The Bill will take away the President's power to appoint the Clerk of the National Assembly and curtail his influence over parliamentary staff.

The President had suggested that they should vote it down on the basis that Kanu would introduce a similar Bill in about six months and thus take the credit for the move towards democracy.

[mwalimumkuu]

Mar 1, 2011 16:25:43 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

And We Thought with the ousting of KANU the democratic views in Kenyan political parties will be respected but alas once a member expresses a divergent view then the solution is to expel him.

This is just deja vu
21st Century Raila = 20th Century Moi
21st Century ODM =20th Century KANU

Remember this

Monday, 08 November 1999 21:30
Share 0Rebel Kanu MPs yesterday dismissed their party's weekend threat not to sponsor them in future elections.

One of them described the warning by secretary-general Joseph Kamotho as "nonsensical". Another said that the party risked becoming irrelevant in the next millennium and declared he was not even planning to seek re-election on a Kanu ticket.

Cherangany MP Kipruto arap Kirwa, who has been trying to register a new party - United Democratic Movement - with fellow renegade Cyrus Jirongo, said if his party was not registered he would decamp to another.

He told Mr. Kamotho to "guard his tongue" and asked: "Who gave Kamotho the mandate to speak for us?" He and two other Kanu MPs were reacting to remarks by Mr. Kamotho on 25 ruling party MPs who refused to back President Moi's request that they should vote down a Bill designed to strip him of some of his powers.

Mr. Kamotho, speaking in Gucha, had declared that the MPs supporting the Bill by opposition legislator Oloo Aringo were only being tolerated by Kanu and would be dealt with at the next General Election.

Mr. Kirwa said: "I am thankful to Mr. Kamotho for giving a chance to many MPs to realise that Kanu is not a mass movement. It is a party of a clique of people who are seeking political alignment where their democratic views will have a chance."

Mr. Kirwa said the Kanu clique risked making itself irrelevant in the next millennium with such utterances. He cautioned his ruling party colleagues who did not agree with the ideals of Kanu hardliners to watch out and choose their future political parties now.

Mr. Kirwa said Kanu had been scheming all along how to get even with Kanu MPs who did not subscribe to their undemocratic methods of running the party.

"They have accommodated us because they know that without us the political equilibrium will be upset," he said.

Mr. Kirwa said members of UDM had gone to court and expected the party to be registered before the next General Election.

"We hope justice will take place and we will be registered. If the party is not registered I'll vie on any other party ticket but not Kanu."

Mr. Tony Ndilinge, the MP for Kilome, said Kanu was not anybody's personal asset but a mass movement.

"Kamotho should start by respecting his own constitution, before saying nonsensical things to elected leaders," he said. (Mr. Kamotho has been nominated to Parliament twice after losing in both 1989 and 1997 elections in Mathioya constituency.)

Mr. Ndilinge reminded the party boss that Kanu's elections had been pending for 10 years in contravention of the party's constitution, which requires the polls to be held at intervals of five years.

In a statement, Kisii civic leaders told Mr. Kamotho that being sponsored by Kanu did not guarantee victory in elections

They said that only the people of Nyaribari Chache constituency would the fate of former Minister Simeon Nyachae, a leading party dissident.

They demanded an apology from Mr. Kamotho and warned him not to step in Kisii.

"If he comes to his planned fundraising in Nyamira next week, it will be at his own risk," the statement said.

It was signed by, among others, Coun Wilfred Monyenye, Coun Claire Omanga, Coun Peter Monda, Coun Titus Omae, Coun Jackson Ontegi, Coun George Masereti, Coun Masega Nyaboga, Coun Mokweri and a businessman Mr. Michael Nyachae.

Masinga MP Ronald Kiluta, said Mr. Kamotho knows that he lacks the mandate of Kanu members to speak on behalf of the party.

"Who tells him that we will be in Kanu during the next General Election. After all Kanu won't be the same party come the year 2002," he said.

Col Kiluta said Mr. Kamotho and other top Kanu leaders should first ask themselves why there are so many dissenting voices in the party before issuing threats against members, he said.

Mosop MP John Sambu, who is also regarded as a Kanu critic, declined to comment.

Mr. Kamotho, speaking at a fundraising meeting in Kisii district, said Kanu would not expel the dissidents to sustain its majority in Parliament until the next elections.

"The Kanu MPs who have rebelled are a thorn in the party but we can't expel them now for we'll cause a bigger problem," he is reported to have said.

The rebellion came last Wednesday when the President called the MPs to State House, Nairobi, to tell them of the party's stand on the stalled constitutional review.
But when he proposed that they should oppose a Bill by Mr. Aringo which would make Parliamentary staff independent of the Civil Service, they rejected his request.

The Bill will take away the President's power to appoint the Clerk of the National Assembly and curtail his influence over parliamentary staff.

The President had suggested that they should vote it down on the basis that Kanu would introduce a similar Bill in about six months and thus take the credit for the move towards democracy.

Well captured. The more things change, the more they remain the same. Members all over the world vote across party lines. Raila and ODM should tell Kenyans where they are borrowing this practice from, and while at it, they should tell us why their party is caucusing with Hon Onyonka despite PDP stating categorically and in writing that they have nothing to do with ODM. ODM cannot have their own cake.

[adongo23456]

The amount of crap some people have to write about Raila is mind boggling. It is as if they wake up talking about Raila and it is like that all the way to bed time.

Kenya is is today multi-party thanks to the efforts of the likes of Raila. There are practically hundreds of political parties. These are not the Nyayo days that some people here thought will never end. Today if you don't like the party you are in, go elsewhere.

So why are some people stuck in ODM and yet they keep yapping about how bad ODM is how terrible Raila is. The reason people like Ruto are stuck in ODM is because Ruto's politics begins and ends with Raila. Ruto's only ambition in life today and claim to relevance is premised on fighting Raila. Without Raila to talk about day and night Ruto has nothing else to do and certainly nothing to offer the country.

It is amazing looking at the history of the country how many politicians and even ordinary folks. some here in Jukwaa are just obsessed with Raila. The amount of money and resources that has been spent to fight Raila can feed the nation for a full year. Moi fought him for decades. Kibaki chaps have run back and forth and in fact damn near destroyed the country to fight Raila.

Ruto will become just another foot note in history of those whose lives were doomed and limited to fighting Raila. It is a long list and they have very little to show for their effort and resources spent on the big fight. Bure kabisa.

[mank]

Mar 1, 2011 13:49:17 GMT 3 kamalet said:

“Members must always vote according to the wishes of the party. You cannot be a member of a party yet you are voting against the wishes of your party. It does not happen in the House of Commons or even congress,” he said.

The man and his supporters are against dictatorship only when he is not in the throne of it. And by the way, he is wrong! In the House of Commons, and in congress members vote across party lines all the time. If they did not, there would be no need to vote on issues - just one tally of party membership, and the larger party dictates policy for that political term.

The reason political representatitves don't typically vote against the wishes of their parties is because political parties are usually united by political philosophy. So party philosophy guides the members to vote together - not because some king pin high up the party might punish them.

In Kenya, where parties are amorphous groupings sprouting on opportunity rather than ideology, there are no uniting party philosophies. That is why members may just as often vote against, as for the party's wishes. But a head of a party who requires individuals to vote together against their wish is nothing but a dictator.

Raila may want to be seen as a man against concentrated power. Yet at any opportunity he shows that he does not understand leadership without concentrated power.

[kamalet]

Mar 1, 2011 18:22:39 GMT 3 adongo23456 said:

The amount of crap some people have to write about Raila is mind boggling. It is as if they wake up talking about Raila and it is like that all the way to bed time.

Kenya is is today multi-party thanks to the efforts of the likes of Raila. There are practically hundreds of political parties. These are not the Nyayo days that some people here thought will never end. Today if you don't like the party you are in, go elsewhere.

So why are some people stuck in ODM and yet they keep yapping about how bad ODM is how terrible Raila is. The reason people like Ruto are stuck in ODM is because Ruto's politics begins and ends with Raila. Ruto's only ambition in life today and claim to relevance is premised on fighting Raila. Without Raila to talk about day and night Ruto has nothing else to do and certainly nothing to offer the country.

It is amazing looking at the history of the country how many politicians and even ordinary folks. some here in Jukwaa are just obsessed with Raila. The amount of money and resources that has been spent to fight Raila can feed the nation for a full year. Moi fought him for decades. Kibaki chaps have run back and forth and in fact damn near destroyed the country to fight Raila.

Ruto will become just another foot note in history of those whose lives were doomed and limited to fighting Raila. It is a long list and they have very little to show for their effort and resources spent on the big fight. Bure kabisa.

Adongo

Looks like you would rather no one ever writes about Raila unless it is positive!

That is the problem with Raila actually. He is a dictator of some sorts and there is the continuing fear that his would be a mob dictatorship where anyone who says anything negative about him will be met with hordes of his supporters waiting to lynch them! Jukwaa is a perfect example of the Raila lynch mobs!

[adongo23456]

Kamale,

You are trying too hard. Can I just say that you are sort of "low value target" to borrow your own words. But yeah, you are low in the food chain. Don't worry. You are safe.

[kamalet]

Mar 1, 2011 19:06:32 GMT 3 adongo23456 said:

Kamale,

You are trying too hard. Can I just say that you are sort of "low value target" to borrow your own words. But yeah, you are low in the food chain. Don't worry. You are safe.

....as predictable as ever...especially when caught with your foot in the mouth!

[adongo23456]

Mar 1, 2011 19:10:40 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Mar 1, 2011 19:06:32 GMT 3 adongo23456 said:

Kamale,

You are trying too hard. Can I just say that you are sort of "low value target" to borrow your own words. But yeah, you are low in the food chain. Don't worry. You are safe.

....as predictable as ever...especially when caught with your foot in the mouth!

oouch...........Did I say something? Pole bwana. So what exactly was adongo caught doing. I was just laughing at you guys giving us some earth shaking fresh insight into Raila's way of thinking.

[reporter911]

GRASPING AT STRAWS TO MAKE A CASE - how desperate can people be? worse than Gaddaffi who keeps shouting on top of his voice that Libyans are demonstrating in support of him and they all plague to die for him ;D ;D seems that die hard Kibaki, Uhuru & Co supporters are heading the same ruote

Didn't some guy in central commit suicide when he heard Uhuru Kenyatta was going to the HAGUE? what a waste of life...ooops!!

[tnk]

Mar 1, 2011 14:37:19 GMT 3 nereah said:

kamau is challenged, as usual.

anyone out there to help. kipfirimbi? okolowaka? tnk? omin? roughrider?.............phil?,merlin?mwinyi? mongobeti?....any volunteer ?

ok

but its a dead end exercise. from kamale's post above we have

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people get elected for who they are
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fair enough, but why or what do these people say is their reason for joining one party instead of another? for instance what was the moto slogan ideology behind pnu and what did those campaigining under this party - hint "change we can see" or better still the unspoken code "nyumba" (no offense). basically the charisma of the individual is significant to rally the masses and sometimes hold their attention kuttuny style, the candidate however must be able to articulate some governance policy that goes beyond the village and hence the umbrella political party goals

==
Raila would be so right in an ideal democracy that is not Kenyan
==

why cant kenya strive to be an ideal democracy? what is stopping the march to an ideal democracy? is it perhaps status quo?


==
..... making statements about expelling people for not towing party line or he is being misadvised
==
will respond to this a few para's below


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Kenya still has a long way to go before people can be looking at parties as vehicles of ideology
==
... a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step .... confucious (circa 600 BC)


but then lets understand what kamale is talking about here

i think we are looking at a few core values, democracy, dissent or divergent opinion and its associated response by members or leadership basically everything between total tolerance and absolute intolerance

in between we have come to learn about acknowledgement, concurrence (of opinion) or lack thereof, and lately compromise, etc etc. all this evolving very fast in our 50 year young democracy (well maybe just 15 years really from the mid 90's i suppose or maybe just 3 starting from NARA)

phil above introduces a key concept of democracy i.e a majority vote playing a crucial role and that is true but will come back to this shortly

but first lets go down the "garden path"?? that we are so fond of, lets take the route set by nowayhaha (wow some of these monikers ). nowayhaha takes charge of our ever faithful time dial control and spins us back to '99. i think thats terrific. the information is there for all to see

myself i spin the dial back and land at events in the past three weeks

now in the next segment whatever you do, dont lose focus on the issues, i.e laid down official or unoffical rules of the game, decisions taken, and the tolerance or intolerance of the "democratic" players involved

• marende rules nominations unconstitutional (never mind that he brings up mountains of legal basis to stand behind him in the photo op)
  
  event no. 2 -
• banging (and kicking) of tables, in your face finger, mta tuona, we have the numbers, we will overturn, impeach speaker, send PM home, install one of our own,..... etc this was the (tolerant/intolerant) response complete with background of smug MPs (thumbs up, oh yeah we have the numbers) for the photo op
  
  event no. 3 -
• wako stands by his statement that kibaki's nominations were uncostitutional - once again photo op only has legal text in the background
  
  event no. 4 -
• move to have wako sent home for insubordination etc - followed by meetings in several hotels etc with appropriate gleeful MPs (now both legs up, yeah we have the numbers) in the background for the photo op
  

hehehe now of course we know that if they had the numbers, the threats in events 2 and 4 would have been carried out, and a foregone conclusion, mercifully they still fall short. of course coupled with s'body about to get whupped by the courts. so it fizzled out somewhat, but i still see behind that crowd someone still raising a fist here and there, but i digress

so how would you characterise the response in events 2 and 4? tantrums? extreme intolerance? mild intolerance? mind numbing tottering idiocy?

but why bring this up? well among the faces of those listed or adding to the numbers expressing this intolerance and voting to kick out marende, wako, raila, and anyone else, are guess who, isaac ruto, and duale

so if i get it right, when these two guys use their vote to beef up numbers (attempt to gain majority) in order to expel (intolerance) divergent opinion, its perfectly ok but when the gun barrel is reversed then there is no democracy? oh yeah and where were these pro democracy voices during that short period of crazed intolerance for a ruling that didnt go their way and the resultant tantrums?

the shoe is on the other foot so to speak

anyway just to state the obvious, the real issue is not about democracy or dictatorship, its plain obvious these rebels best serve the interests of PNU so long as they remain in ODM and they remain rebels, they must be both ODM + rebel. the moment they move out of ODM, they cease to be rebel, and become just another competing party/interest. the gloss will fade so quick. i think if anyone wants these rebel MPs he or she is welcome to have them and they can coo over and shower them with all the loving democratic ideals they have for them.

anyhow back to this so called democracy and divergent opinion
am sure someone already has a comprehensive list, but for the purposes of this discussion

in my view there would be hierarchy or connected approach to handling views whether concurrence or dissent

first would be national laws, then party laws/rules, then due party process for handling challenges, then evaluation on merit and if nothing gives then take a vote (majority rule). in this case the national laws dictate that association or flirting with idea of another party is in itself resignation from current party. further there are many of us who have discussed and believe its best for the party to have a few dedicated members who are ready to further the interests of the party than have a mob intent on self destruction.

now my sister nereah, why would you want us to come here and state what is pretty obvious to some of us? why do you pull us from our slumber?

meanwhile here is how maddo sees this

[mwalimumkuu]

ODM-Raila told to deal with their own 'rebels' and stop dragging in Annan registrar of political parties.

www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Deal-with-your-rebels%2C-ODM-told-11905.html


NAIROBI, Kenya Mar 2 - The Registrar of Political Parties has declined to revoke the membership of two rebel ODM lawmakers and instead asked the party to first suspend or expel them before she can act.

Lucy Ndung'u said she would only take action once the party notified her office of the expulsion or provided proof the members had defected.

"It is the party which should take action against the member following the party constitution. After that, they are supposed to notify the Registrar on the removal suspension and the Registrar will take action and strike the member for the register after the party has acted," she said.

The party wrote to the Registrar's office asking her to find Assistant Minister Aden Duale and Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto in breach of Article 17 of the Act and declare their seats vacant after associating themselves with UDM.

The clause reads: "A person who, while a member of a political party - in any way or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party, shall, notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (2) or the provisions of any other law, be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party."

ODM chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo had also asked the Registrar to also consider invoking Clause 103 of the New Constitution, which touches on vacating office by an MP.

Clause 103(1) (e) (i) reads; "If, having been elected to Parliament - as a member of a political party, the member resigns from that party or is deemed to have resigned from the party as determined in accordance with the legislation contemplated in clause."

Ms Ndung'u said a member can also initiate the process if he resigns from his former party and duly informs the party that he/she has formally resigned.

She added; "The party he is hopping to will be required to bring in the name so that we can enter it in our register. We will now presume that person has moved, but action must be by the party or the member".

Suspended Higher Education Minister William Ruto has led more than 20 MPs, including five Cabinet ministers, to virtually cut links with ODM and have openly associated with the rival Party of National Unity wing of the coalition government.

Former Industrialization Minister Henry Kosgey, Agriculture Minister Sally Kosgei, Tourism Minister Najib Balala and East African Community minister Prof Hellen Sambili are among the high profile personalities who have ditched the Prime Minister's camp in favour of the Mr Ruto's camp.

If ODM expels the rebel MPs, the Registrar shall write to the Speaker of the National Assembly asking him to declare their seats vacant.

But the rebel MPs have scoffed at the attempts to eject them, saying it amounts to party dictatorship and have instead asked the ODM leadership to retrace their steps and find out where they went wrong.