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Post by mzee on Mar 9, 2011 12:45:06 GMT 3
The summons have not made any newsworthy materials in the leading broadcasters across the world. does this say something ? It only means that this are small fish who will to borrow Justice Ringeras word "be fried unapologetically" at the Hague. Why should the world bother about these guys? Talk about a big fish in a small pond.
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Post by mank on Mar 9, 2011 13:27:37 GMT 3
mank said: Whoa there!! You do not see what there is to celebrate? I did not think there were jukwaaists who believe like Ruto that the Eldoret church fire was started by a kitchen short circuit (as he told ambassador Rannen-dude.) So they ask, why waste our money?And which ones have you found now who "believe like Ruto that the Eldoret church fire was started by a kitchen short circuit (as he told ambassador Rannen-dude.) So they ask, why waste our money?"
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Post by destiny on Mar 9, 2011 15:02:24 GMT 3
1.There's lots of grapevine doing rounds in town. Eti Mama Ngina is heartbroken to say the least and is angry with the First family over his favourite son's Hague troubles.
2. Eti Muthaura's deteriorating health has just got worse and when the summon news broke- his fragile heart skipped a beat. He sees himself as a sacrificial lamb and is willing to spill the beans. Once it dawns on him this is serious stuff and not "manifest nonsense" he will be talking like a type writer.
3. Some of these Ocampo Six are planning demonstrations and cause chaos to intimidate the ICC. Eti to show there will be more blood shed if the process moves on at The Hague instead of a local kangaroo court which they can manipulate.
4.The "I don't care" Kibaki is now quaking in his boots, plotiting on how to scuttle the process before Muthaura spills the beans.
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Post by mintos on Mar 9, 2011 18:02:16 GMT 3
Has Kibaki held a press conference ama he's waiting fro Kalonzo to get back from NY?
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Post by gemagema on Mar 9, 2011 18:04:04 GMT 3
These guys are not going to The Hague, whether for the summons or even if the arrest warrants are issued. The shuttle “diplomacy” of akina Kalonzo & fools and the AU deferral request should be a pointer to what’s coming. Foreign (or rather colonist) interference in a sovereign country will be brought to play (watch Gaddafi or Mugabe in action if you need an example). This sovereign country (Kenya) is even in the process of implementing a new constitution with a radically new judiciary to come which will be able to deal with these cases. Honestly, it’s more advantageous for Kibaki to refuse to honor the summons than to have them accepted by the Ocampo 6. A guy! Are you seriously following news about Libya or you only misquote for purposes of lending lame support to your pathetic take of the ICC Summons event. As we talk, hardcore Gaddafi is seeking ways of escape due to the international pressure that include referral of his case to the ICC (a foreign jurisdiction). Actually, Saif his son, complained about such pressures? Why? Because even in spite of Libya's sovereignty, he knows how consequential and conclusionary a case at the ICC means to them. And you know something, the recent ruling at the UNSC to refer Libya's case to ICC has only lent more credibility to ICC as a jurisdictional institution. And if i may remind you, its another African country being referred to the ICC - He He He. So yes, even despite AU and Kenya's cries, the ICC will be there to serve the interests of poor African citizens for as long as African leaders and government behave like they own their countries, indiscriminately killing resenting plus innocent voices. Kwanza, what sovereignty does Kenya need? Kenya was sovereign and free from external/foreign control when it was stealing elections and killing and raping its unarmed citizens. Its sovereignty ended there. In fact, we as Kenyans plus our MPs who refused to create a local tribunal, voluntarily and willingly, and without foreign pressure, handed over our sovereignty on the day we decided to join the ICC. Na uta do? Welcome to Reality Bwana. Its either Hague or fugitiveness (El Bashir's way) for the Ocampo6. Akina Uhuru and Ruto wenyewe have woken up from slumber land...na wewe bado unangorota.
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Post by tnk on Mar 9, 2011 20:50:17 GMT 3
== ORDERS Francis Kirimi Muthaura, Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta and Mohammed Hussein Ali, without prejudice to further decisions of the Chamber in this respect: (i) to have no contact directly or indirectly with any person who is or is believed to be a victim or a witness of the crimes for which Francis Kirimi Muthaura, Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta and Mohammed Hussein Ali have been summoned; (ii) to refrain from corruptly influencing a witness, obstructing or interfering with the attendance or testimony of a witness, or tampering with or interfering with the Prosecution's collection of evidence; (iii) to refrain from committing crime(s) set forth in the Statute; (iv) to attend all required hearings at the International Criminal Court; ORDERS the Registrar to serve the present summonses on Francis Kirimi Muthaura, Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta and Mohammed Hussein Ali, as required by article 58(7) of the Statute and in accordance with regulation 31(3)(b) of the Regulations of the Court; ORDERS the Registrar, in accordance with regulation 110 of the Regulations of the Court, to make, where necessary, a request for cooperation to the Republic of Kenya in conformity with articles 93(l)(d) and 99(1) of the Statute.== it is inconceivable that muthaura and uhuru can continue to function as government and party officers and not interact with each other as well as with the general public some of whom would be either victims (IDPs or others seeking govt assistance as a result of PEV) the orders have been issued, the govt must comply these two guys must vacate (not step aside) but must relinquish any public post they hold until cleared by the ICC further, it is improbable that diplomats and foreign govts would want to conduct business with suspected masterminds through the Min of Finance or head of Civil Service these two guys should simply resign or be forced out according to this article == www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/1121610/-/110ojncz/-/index.html== all the 6 have accepted/agreed to honor the summons hallooo!! can their lawyers explain to them that if they continue holding their positions, they will compromise or more specifically be in breach of the orders in the summons. is no longer the typical lip-service we are accustomed to from our politicians where they say one thing while doing something else totally contrary uhuru himself is on record saying its impossible for him in his position (govt and party) not to communicate with muthaura or the likes of ruto. so best bet is to relinquish the post(s) that will cause him to be in breach. ditto muthaura, kosgei, ali, sang, ruto incidentally now the "future leaders/co presidents" (uhuru/ruto) of kenya may not share a political platform in the foreseeable future but at least they may share cells or court dock over at the hague. and if say there given life sentences (shudder shudder) they can share prison yard. (more tusker please)
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Post by okolowaka on Mar 10, 2011 3:03:46 GMT 3
Ruto and Uhuru finally have the chance before formal charges are pressed against them to officially tell off the ICC judges in their faces; denounce the ICC and Ocampo as being compromised; engaged in local Kenyan politics; made up of colonialist Europeans; not interested in justice; incompetent; having no evidence; carried shoddy investigations; being sent by Raila to finish them politically, kwa nyina, etc... ;D ;D ;D
Yaani, let them now repeat all the bravado and chest thumping they have been exhibiting at funerals and harambee's kila weekendi when given the chance to speak on 7th April...
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Post by nalinali on Mar 10, 2011 3:39:09 GMT 3
Ruto and Uhuru finally have the chance before formal charges are pressed against them to officially tell off the ICC judges in their faces; denounce the ICC and Ocampo as being compromised; engaged in local Kenyan politics; made up of colonialist Europeans; not interested in justice; incompetent; having no evidence; carried shoddy investigations; being sent by Raila to finish them politically, kwa nyina, etc... ;D ;D ;D Yaani, let them now repeat all the bravado and chest thumping they have been exhibiting at funerals and harambee's kila weekendi when given the chance to speak on 7th April... Yes and tell the judges too that their predicament at the hague is intended to ease the way fro an unnamed politician in the coming 2012 elections. I am sure the judges do not know about this.
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