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Post by kaburwo on Mar 14, 2011 12:48:38 GMT 3
In the game of Uhuru Kenyatta (MoF) Vs James Orengo (MoL), something is not adding up. In the mix is the poor of Mau, living in the cold and unsettled. Has Uhuru released the Mau resettlement money for the purchase of alternative land? Has Orengo received any money for this project? Who is fooling Kenyans and why?
Who's smarter now?
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Post by tom on Mar 14, 2011 13:15:35 GMT 3
Kaburwo
Franklin Bett has just ably informed the Public on TV (Citizen @ 1) that Uhuru has admitted that he is holding on to Shillings 1B meant to resettle the Mau invitees.
The PM recently said that the reason IDP's were being resettled selectively was because there was political ploy that is meant to fight him at all costs.
Uhuru has not given any solid reason as to why he has been holding on to that money.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 14, 2011 13:21:05 GMT 3
Uhuru explained that the money is available once Orengo advices that he has found land to buy! It is not like Orengo has said here is the land and where is the money!!!
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Post by kaburwo on Mar 14, 2011 13:30:52 GMT 3
Uhuru explained that the money is available once Orengo advices that he has found land to buy! It is not like Orengo has said here is the land and where is the money!!! That is not what I've been hearing on vernacular radio. Those who own our ears have been saying that Orengo HAS BEEN GIVEN the money but he was sitting on it. I guess someone wishes that these poor fellows live there until a snap election were called so that they (and their plight no doubt) can be fodder for their bids. Just when will politicians stop playing games with peoples' lives? |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 14, 2011 13:37:35 GMT 3
Uhuru explained that the money is available once Orengo advices that he has found land to buy! It is not like Orengo has said here is the land and where is the money!!! That is not what I've been hearing on vernacular radio. Those who own our ears have been saying that Orengo HAS BEEN GIVEN the money but he was sitting on it. I guess someone wishes that these poor fellows live there until a snap election were called so that they (and their plight no doubt) can be fodder for their bids. Just when will politicians stop playing games with peoples' lives? Kaburwo All I wrote is what I heard Uhuru say over the weekend in response to the allegation by Raila that treasury is sitting on the money. Actually the people playing with lives are those who should have found the land before claiming the money is being held back! |
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Post by phil on Mar 14, 2011 15:38:38 GMT 3
IDPs are their own worst enemies.
Come election time, they need to rise above ethnic considerations and vote for a government and/or candidates they believe will provide sustainable solutions for their own displament.
Unfortunately, records show that IDPs tend to vote along ethnic lines and for that reason have denied themselves the benefit of having a government and leadership that will bring about permanent resettlement for them and their children.
It is so simple.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 14, 2011 15:53:21 GMT 3
IDPs are their own worst enemies. Come election time, they need to rise above ethnic considerations and vote for a government and/or candidates they believe will provide sustainable solutions for their own displament. Unfortunately, records show that IDPs tend to vote along ethnic lines and for that reason have denied themselves the benefit of having a government and leadership that will bring about permanent resettlement for them and their children. It is so simple. Just where are these records of IDPs voting on ethnic lines.....? I am sure you meant that they should queue behind the opinion poll candidate and they will be helped! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 14, 2011 16:47:23 GMT 3
Uhuru explained that the money is available once Orengo advices that he has found land to buy! It is not like Orengo has said here is the land and where is the money!!! That is not what I've been hearing on vernacular radio. Those who own our ears have been saying that Orengo HAS BEEN GIVEN the money but he was sitting on it. I guess someone wishes that these poor fellows live there until a snap election were called so that they (and their plight no doubt) can be fodder for their bids. Just when will politicians stop playing games with peoples' lives? Just as Kamale has told you, money has already been allocated for this purpose and the ministry of lands has been tasked with identification of land for that purpose, which Orengo is yet to do. It therefore follows logically that its Orengo who is sitting on the money, for failure to do his job. And may I ask a simple question, why did the PM find it so logical to evict these poor Kenyans from their homes without a concrete plan of where they were going next? |
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Post by kaburwo on Mar 16, 2011 19:11:17 GMT 3
Ministry waits on Mau resettlement cashThousands of families flushed out of the Mau Complex and other forests may continue living in terrible conditions for much longer unless Treasury releases Sh3.4 billion required for their resettlement. Documents seen by Nation reveal that Treasury is yet to respond to a letter written by the Ministry of Lands last November asking for the funds to resettle 6116 families evicted from the Mau, Chepyuk and Embobut forests. The letter signed by Lands Permanent Secretary Dorothy Angote to her Treasury counterpart Joseph Kinyua gives a breakdown of amounts required to purchase land in various parts of the country with a view to resettling the three groups of squatters. According to the available figures, each family will be entitled to 2.5 acres with families evicted from the Mau complex requiring Sh1.5 billion for resettlement, those from Embobut Sh1.6 billion while those for Chepyuk Sh196 million.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 16, 2011 19:38:10 GMT 3
kaburwo,
Thanks for keeping the fire burning on this. As we all know parochial politics took centre stage in the settlement of IDPs. In the mau case the decision by Uhuru with the tacit support of Ruto and his camp had three components.
1. Make the IDPs suffer visibly as much as possible to be used as testimony of how Raila is a cruel man who has turned against those who voted for him. What is really cruel is using the suffering of Kenyans as a live political ad.
2. Make sure that everything is done to show that it is Kibaki, Uhuru and Ruto who are concerned about the Mau IDPs and the ODM doesn't care. That is how they came up with the lie that the Minister of lands is sitting on money and has refused to buy land. Turns out that was a naked lie being exposed.
3. Turn the entire IDP issue into political football for 2012.
Those really are the problems we are dealing with here and the poor IDPs are just tools to a political end.
Now I found this very interesting:
"Mr Orengo confirmed that Treasury had earlier released Sh2.9 bion for the resettlement of post election violence victims but added that the monies were being administered by the Settlement Fund Trustees chaired by Mr Kenyatta.
The money was exclusively for the resettlement of the victims of post election violence."
It is funny that when it came to the PEV IDPs, the Ministry of lands was not required to participate as in saw me the land I will saw you the money. In the PEV IDPs case Uhuru formed the Settlement Fund Trustees of which he is the Chairman to administer the moneys allocated by the same Uhuru.
In other words these are Uhuru's own IDPs and he deals with them. In the case of the Mau IDPS that is Orengo's problem and Uhuru's job is to ensure no money is available for them while lying publicly that Orengo is sitting on the money. I mean even political games should have limits.
In politics though things can get dicey. Here we have Uhuru and Ruto minting their Kikuyu Kalenjin alliance and dining in high places yet when it comes to the settlement of IDPs one group of IDPs is been set against the other. It is a matter of the favourite child and the stray one. How does this political math add up?
As for Orengo, I think he should be more forceful. How long has he known that Uhuru did not allocate any money for the Mau IDPs? Why has he been quiet until now? Does he expect people like Uhuru to respect quiet negotiations and action? They don't. You have to scream and yell for them to hear you. We need Orengo to get on the roof tops and scream about this matter until it is resolved.
Today I read a piece about thousands of the Mau IDPs making it clear that this planting season, if they don't get settled they will go back to the forest and farm no matter what. Who can blame them?
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Post by job on Mar 16, 2011 19:43:43 GMT 3
Ministry waits on Mau resettlement cashThousands of families flushed out of the Mau Complex and other forests may continue living in terrible conditions for much longer unless Treasury releases Sh3.4 billion required for their resettlement. Documents seen by Nation reveal that Treasury is yet to respond to a letter written by the Ministry of Lands last November asking for the funds to resettle 6116 families evicted from the Mau, Chepyuk and Embobut forests. The letter signed by Lands Permanent Secretary Dorothy Angote to her Treasury counterpart Joseph Kinyua gives a breakdown of amounts required to purchase land in various parts of the country with a view to resettling the three groups of squatters. According to the available figures, each family will be entitled to 2.5 acres with families evicted from the Mau complex requiring Sh1.5 billion for resettlement, those from Embobut Sh1.6 billion while those for Chepyuk Sh196 million. AND ... www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ministry+waits+on+Mau+resettlement+cash/-/1064/1126416/-/jpmrhc/-/index.htmlMr Orengo confirmed that Treasury had earlier released Sh2.9 billion for the resettlement of post election violence victims but added that the monies were being administered by the Settlement Fund Trustees chaired by Mr Kenyatta.
The money was used exclusively for the resettlement of the victims of post election violence While Raila's intended objectives (reclaim forest, plant trees, resettle IDPs) was excellent, he couldn't execute this without cooperation from the PNU side of coalition. They led him onto a fiasco -that's just the plain fact. These are the results of a bitterly divided coalition government where subterfuge, witch hunt, back-stabbing, sabotage and back-bitting are hallmarks. This is a case where the Uhuru-Ruto propaganda machine has flogged Raila into a pulp, after Kibaki left him (Raila) hanging high and dry on the forest conservation effort. I seriously doubt Raila saw this political gamesmanship coming. This is one battle (of many in the war) that he long lost. A national forest conservation effort that is supposed to benefit the entire country has succumbed to the mud-slinging KKk politics of retrogression, tribalism, and grid-lock. The Status Quo of forest grabbing, illegal encroachment and degradation has prevailed. That's typical Kenya since independence...rather than developing and growing forwards, we're always rolling on the downward slope.
It will take a miracle to convince the ordinary folks that he actually had the background plan to have them resettled (with Title Deed to boot).
Raila assumed he would reclaim the forest, set off a model afforestation program, then come to the rescue of the evictees with bonus resettlement, while the big fish evictees faced conundrum in compensation. But lo! The fairytale turned into his albatross simply because he fell for the same same trap yet again - trusting Kibaki! Raila's attempts to now see the IDPs resettled will be stone-walled just to ensure the blame (original eviction) remains on him (Raila). And Ruto will keep reminding evictees that it is actually Raila who ordered them evicted..while Uhuru and Kibaki (Treasury) deliberately sit on the funds I can hereby predict that both Uhuru and Ruto are willing to have these Mau IDPs suffer longer to score their political point. That's how caring these leaders are! By the way, just like the Mau case, Uhuru will similarly not release funds for Embobut forest resettlement, and the Chebyuk forest resettlement...all in a bid to blame it collectively on Raila. It's all propaganda warfare but everyone knows who the real loser is. looks like we posted almost at the same time Adongo. |
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 16, 2011 19:54:17 GMT 3
I'm pretty curious to here Kamale's and Mwalimumkuu's response to the revelation that Uhuru has in fact received several formal requests to release funds, the latest being way back in November of last year.
The letter signed by Lands Permanent Secretary Dorothy Angote to her Treasury counterpart Joseph Kinyua gives a breakdown of amounts required to purchase land in various parts of the country with a view to resettling the three groups of squatters.
Selective resettlement, yaani ukabila, is the wrong way of doing things. How will the second K in the KKK alliance be expected to continue supporting the first K if this is how Uhuru is treating their people?
I wonder if ODM will capitalize on this matter… you know, make it front page news for the next few weeks… the intention being to drive a wedge between the first and second K. That would be a great rehearsal in anticipation of the upcoming revelations in the ICC trials.
The way I see it, the undressing of the true Uhuru and true Ruto will be the last nail on the KKK coffin. Woe unto those, like Balala and Wamalwa, who are currently clamoring to appear at rallies with Ruto. When the details of his panga and grenade buying missions are finally revealed, even his own mother will disown him.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 16, 2011 20:08:19 GMT 3
Job is an angry man with Raila.......!!
But it is the likes of Orengo that let Raila down! When Franklin Bett congratulates Uhuru for declaring that there is money, very little is done by Orengo's ministry in obtaining the land and when he goes to Taita and tells them no IDPs/Evacuees will be settled in Taita by the government, he is only playing politics to pre-empt the Kenyattas from selling land to the government. But he still does not get the land from elsewhere and those in places like Nyandarua or Nyeri who have land to sell, the ministry is not even taking up offers which should beg the question why the ministry has not bought land all this time!
It can only be driven by present day "let us save Raila" politics that noise is being made!
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 16, 2011 20:20:08 GMT 3
Job is an angry man with Raila.......!! But it is the likes of Orengo that let Raila down! When Franklin Bett congratulates Uhuru for declaring that there is money, very little is done by Orengo's ministry in obtaining the land and when he goes to Taita and tells them no IDPs/Evacuees will be settled in Taita by the government, he is only playing politics to pre-empt the Kenyattas from selling land to the government. But he still does not get the land from elsewhere and those in places like Nyandarua or Nyeri who have land to sell, the ministry is not even taking up offers which should beg the question why the ministry has not bought land all this time! It can only be driven by present day "let us save Raila" politics that noise is being made! You have a right to your opinion and your endless rants about Raila but you cannot invent your own facts and lie outright. Can't people have a little shame. As we can see from the DN story, the PS in the ministry of lands has provided a breakdown on prices and parcels of land to be purchased to settle the Mau IDPs to the PS in the ministry of Finance. So why are you lying to us? Then you want to bring the Taita angle to cover your lies and divert the story to other issues. No my friend, Uhuru has been caught with his pants down spreading lies and refusing to settle a section of the IDPs for political reasons. No amount of lies and spins is going to take that away. Try another one please and be a little modest. Here is what the DN story says. "The letter signed by Lands Permanent Secretary Dorothy Angote to her Treasury counterpart Joseph Kinyua gives a breakdown of amounts required to purchase land in various parts of the country with a view to resettling the three groups of squatters"And for your information, the resettlement of IDPs was not meant to be a process for Uhuru to offload grabbed land in Taita or elsewhere. Last time they were trying to buy disputed land grabbed the Koinanges in Narok. Same old crap. Uhuru and his friends want o treat the IDP settlement as a godsend to offload stolen land before land reforms are in take root. Even if you rob people, please don't burn their homes after you finish. Where are you going to rob after that? They stole land. Now they want to grab tax payer money to pay themselves for stolen land. Is this what they call double dipping? These thieves have no shame. adongo |
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 16, 2011 20:22:39 GMT 3
Kamale,
Is it not clear that land, in various parts of the country, has already been identified and the Treasury notified?
The only problem here is that Uhuru has NOT released the funds.
Wacha kudanganya mambois.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 16, 2011 23:20:12 GMT 3
Kamale, Is it not clear that land, in various parts of the country, has already been identified and the Treasury notified? The only problem here is that Uhuru has NOT released the funds. Wacha kudanganya mambois. Show me how clear it is as there is no evidence of any land identified. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 16, 2011 23:23:35 GMT 3
Job is an angry man with Raila.......!! But it is the likes of Orengo that let Raila down! When Franklin Bett congratulates Uhuru for declaring that there is money, very little is done by Orengo's ministry in obtaining the land and when he goes to Taita and tells them no IDPs/Evacuees will be settled in Taita by the government, he is only playing politics to pre-empt the Kenyattas from selling land to the government. But he still does not get the land from elsewhere and those in places like Nyandarua or Nyeri who have land to sell, the ministry is not even taking up offers which should beg the question why the ministry has not bought land all this time! It can only be driven by present day "let us save Raila" politics that noise is being made! You have a right to your opinion and your endless rants about Raila but you cannot invent your own facts and lie outright. Can't people have a little shame. As we can see from the DN story, the PS in the ministry of lands has provided a breakdown on prices and parcels of land to be purchased to settle the Mau IDPs to the PS in the ministry of Finance. So why are you lying to us? Then you want to bring the Taita angle to cover your lies and divert the story to other issues. No my friend, Uhuru has been caught with his pants down spreading lies and refusing to settle a section of the IDPs for political reasons. No amount of lies and spins is going to take that away. Try another one please and be a little modest. Here is what the DN story says. "The letter signed by Lands Permanent Secretary Dorothy Angote to her Treasury counterpart Joseph Kinyua gives a breakdown of amounts required to purchase land in various parts of the country with a view to resettling the three groups of squatters"And for your information, the resettlement of IDPs was not meant to be a process for Uhuru to offload grabbed land in Taita or elsewhere. Last time they were trying to buy disputed land grabbed the Koinanges in Narok. Same old crap. Uhuru and his friends want o treat the IDP settlement as a godsend to offload stolen land before land reforms are in take root. Even if you rob people, please don't burn their homes after you finish. Where are you going to rob after that? They stole land. Now they want to grab tax payer money to pay themselves for stolen land. Is this what they call double dipping? These thieves have no shame. adongo I did not drag in Raila perhaps you can direct your ranting at Job!! Oh and perhaps you should know Raila is a big boy not worthy of your defence whenever his name is mentioned!! Perhaps those that own land in Muhoroni and elsewhere should be selling their land to resettle the IDPs if that owned by Uhuru or Koinange is not to be touched. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 17, 2011 0:20:22 GMT 3
Kamale,You have a right to your opinion and your endless rants about Raila but you cannot invent your own facts and lie outright. Can't people have a little shame. As we can see from the DN story, the PS in the ministry of lands has provided a breakdown on prices and parcels of land to be purchased to settle the Mau IDPs to the PS in the ministry of Finance. So why are you lying to us? Then you want to bring the Taita angle to cover your lies and divert the story to other issues. No my friend, Uhuru has been caught with his pants down spreading lies and refusing to settle a section of the IDPs for political reasons. No amount of lies and spins is going to take that away. Try another one please and be a little modest. Here is what the DN story says. "The letter signed by Lands Permanent Secretary Dorothy Angote to her Treasury counterpart Joseph Kinyua gives a breakdown of amounts required to purchase land in various parts of the country with a view to resettling the three groups of squatters"And for your information, the resettlement of IDPs was not meant to be a process for Uhuru to offload grabbed land in Taita or elsewhere. Last time they were trying to buy disputed land grabbed the Koinanges in Narok. Same old crap. Uhuru and his friends want o treat the IDP settlement as a godsend to offload stolen land before land reforms are in take root. Even if you rob people, please don't burn their homes after you finish. Where are you going to rob after that? They stole land. Now they want to grab tax payer money to pay themselves for stolen land. Is this what they call double dipping? These thieves have no shame. adongo I did not drag in Raila perhaps you can direct your ranting at Job!! Oh and perhaps you should know Raila is a big boy not worthy of your defence whenever his name is mentioned!! Perhaps those that own land in Muhoroni and elsewhere should be selling their land to resettle the IDPs if that owned by Uhuru or Koinange is not to be touched. Where did I defend Raila? I just told you to stop lying. Is that defending Raila? The real issue here is that Uhuru wants to sell himself as the one defending Kalenjin interests with his buddy Ruto and apparently part of the plan is keeping the Mau IDPs on the roadsides as a live ad for the KKK alliance. It doesn't look very good, does it? People are not stupid. You can only fool them so far. Those who want to offload stolen land with the help of Uhuru in the MoF should not hold the IDPs hostage. Is that too much to ask? The ministry of land has provided a breakdown on land purchases required to settle the Mau IDPs and the prince of darkness is dragging his feet. Believe it or not this matter is not going away. Watch this space. adongo |
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Post by enigma on Mar 17, 2011 1:12:42 GMT 3
Kamale,You have a right to your opinion and your endless rants about Raila but you cannot invent your own facts and lie outright. Can't people have a little shame. As we can see from the DN story, the PS in the ministry of lands has provided a breakdown on prices and parcels of land to be purchased to settle the Mau IDPs to the PS in the ministry of Finance. So why are you lying to us? Then you want to bring the Taita angle to cover your lies and divert the story to other issues. No my friend, Uhuru has been caught with his pants down spreading lies and refusing to settle a section of the IDPs for political reasons. No amount of lies and spins is going to take that away. Try another one please and be a little modest. Here is what the DN story says. "The letter signed by Lands Permanent Secretary Dorothy Angote to her Treasury counterpart Joseph Kinyua gives a breakdown of amounts required to purchase land in various parts of the country with a view to resettling the three groups of squatters"And for your information, the resettlement of IDPs was not meant to be a process for Uhuru to offload grabbed land in Taita or elsewhere. Last time they were trying to buy disputed land grabbed the Koinanges in Narok. Same old crap. Uhuru and his friends want o treat the IDP settlement as a godsend to offload stolen land before land reforms are in take root. Even if you rob people, please don't burn their homes after you finish. Where are you going to rob after that? They stole land. Now they want to grab tax payer money to pay themselves for stolen land. Is this what they call double dipping? These thieves have no shame. adongo I did not drag in Raila perhaps you can direct your ranting at Job!! Oh and perhaps you should know Raila is a big boy not worthy of your defence whenever his name is mentioned!! Perhaps those that own land in Muhoroni and elsewhere should be selling their land to resettle the IDPs if that owned by Uhuru or Koinange is not to be touched. See this is the problem with arguments enriched by Kibaki's very potent poo. I own land in muhoroni. Its fertile, its rich for ranching and it does good for biodiesel. But its not grabbed. Its acquired at favourable market prices. Thats why Mt kenya are dumfounded that there is bioethanol in Kisumu while your hero was masquerading as an economic saviour of Kenya only to get the chance and use it for common theft and murder. Pathetic. LSE is so last century. The School that trained Kibaki has been trying to rehabilitate Gadhafi. Basically its settled now, LSE is being used by the British Empire to send murderous despots to strangle Africa. Thats why UK can send SAS to secure oil but not to guard democracy. Central walete Harvard ama Yale then we can buy the intellectual president thing again. Lakini LSE ya benevolence plus Oginga's very philanthropic gesture has left you guys thinking that our heroes should just bow down for you. Well we dont want to see you prowling there again. God knows what will happen. I leave it at that. |
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Post by kaburwo on Mar 29, 2011 16:05:00 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Mar 29, 2011 16:36:03 GMT 3
Orengo's ministry is incharge of the SFT as a department in his ministry, where 1.5 billion for land is lying and has not been utillised to buy any land.
But now that things are getting hot for ODM and the affected MPs still hanging around Raila are itching to dump him, Orengo tries an extremely silly political pitch by suggesting he wants to settle the Mau evictees!!!
Some people must really take Kenyans for idiots!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 29, 2011 17:36:17 GMT 3
What propaganda? Mau IDPs are not PEV IDPs, but people who were strategically and by choice and design thrown out of their homes by none other than Raila Odinga and James Orengo. They should carry that cross to their political graves and you can follow them there if you want to, it is your choice. How many times did we tell Raila and Orengo to first identify and buy land for this people before throwing them out? Did he listen? Did he have a plan for them? As his children sleep in air-conditioned homes in Karen and Runda, these peasants' children are sleeping on the roadsides in Mau as if they never had enough problems before. Meanwhile Kiptagich is still running and ever expanding, what does that tell you? |
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Post by mangai on Mar 29, 2011 17:48:02 GMT 3
Orengo's ministry is incharge of the SFT as a department in his ministry, where 1.5 billion for land is lying and has not been utillised to buy any land. But now that things are getting hot for ODM and the affected MPs still hanging around Raila are itching to dump him, Orengo tries an extremely silly political pitch by suggesting he wants to settle the Mau evictees!!! Some people must really take Kenyans for idiots! Orengo could be playing politics but all he is saying is that the money allocated to SFT was for resettlement of PEV IDPs. He is seeking authority from Treasury to divert that money to resettle Mau evictees. We have in the past been told that money had already been allocated for that purpose but it is now emerging that it was never. In my opinion, the settlers were not evicted by Raila, as suggested elsewhere herein, but by the Kenya Government. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 29, 2011 17:57:09 GMT 3
Raila engineered the eviction and creation of Mau IDPS - This is politics and a scheme to woo back RV support . Will it work ? Of course not . As long as Raila and Ruto are at longerheads the RV political base wont buy such frivolous schemes
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Post by nalinali on Mar 29, 2011 17:59:09 GMT 3
Orengo's ministry is incharge of the SFT as a department in his ministry, where 1.5 billion for land is lying and has not been utillised to buy any land. But now that things are getting hot for ODM and the affected MPs still hanging around Raila are itching to dump him, Orengo tries an extremely silly political pitch by suggesting he wants to settle the Mau evictees!!! Some people must really take Kenyans for idiots! Kamalet I thought all along that STF is under Uhuru's management and not Orengo's. Why change facts? |
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