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Post by job on Mar 16, 2011 17:52:30 GMT 3
The slow unraveling of PEV has began at the ICC with shocking details starting to emerge. This is still the Pre-Trial Phase, and witnesses have not even taken to the stage. Even without delving into the explosive matter of "guns, grenades, and gas cylinders" allegedly purchased by Ruto, the mere perpetration of a village church fire where ethnic rivals had sought shelter is an eye-awakening moment. THREE PERSPECTIVES ON THE KIAMBAA CHURCH INFERNO THAT CONSUMED TENS OF CHILDREN AND WOMEN According to ICC Prosecutor Moreno Ocampo: Immediately following the announcement of the 2007 presidential election results, a "Network" of youth militia organized by Hon. William Ruto began to execute attacks against Gikuyus in various locations in Uasin Gishu and Nandi Districts, including Turbo town, the greater Eldoret area (Kiambaa, Yamumbi, Haruma, Kimumu and Langas), Kapsabet town, and Nandi Hills town, with the intent to expel them from the Rift Valley.
The brunt of the attacks occurred from 30 December 2007 through the first week of January 2008. Ocampo specifically noted that the investigated crimes against humanity occurred predominantly within a 25 kilometre radius of a house that RUTO owns in Sugoi (Uasin Gishu District), where he held meetings to plan the attacks.
Specifically on December 30th, 2007, according to Ocampo, Ruto’s Network of youth attacked the village of Kimuri in Uasin Gishu District forcing hundreds of women and children to flee to the neighbouring village of Kiambaa, where they sought refuge in the small Kenya Assemblies of God Church.
The next day, December 31st, 2008, word had spread around that Gikuyu speaking refugees were sheltered within the Kiambaa Church. Ocampo found that on January 1st 2008, Ruto’s Network attacked the Church, doused mattresses and blankets with petrol and threw them in the building. They blocked all exit points from the Church and mothers and babies who were trying to flee the inferno were pushed back into the church. Kikuyu men attempting to defend their church and loved ones were hacked to death with machetes, shot with arrows, or pursued and killed. According to ICC Judge Kaul: 37. I am satisfied that William Ruto made available guns, grenades and gas cylinders to selected perpetrators.
The evidence tends to show that William Ruto promised perpetrators monetary reward in exchange for the destruction of Kikuyu buildings and every Kikuyu person killed. I am also satisfied that William Ruto was part of the coordinating efforts prior to the outbreak of the violence in Uasin Gishu and Nandi Districts between 30 December 2007 to the end of January 2008.
The evidence also tends to demonstrate that Henry Kosgey promised the perpetrators immunity for the crimes.I note that the Prosecutor makes no allegation of Joshua Sang's involvement in the Military Branch.
www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1039488.pdf
According to William Ruto: According to William Ruto himself (courtesy Wikileaks): “The Kiambaa Assemblies of God Church fire was the result of an accidental kitchen fire during preparations for lunch within the building.”
Wikileaks cables state that Ruto went on to blame the media for inciting public against him (& his supporters) and pinning them for blame over the horrific incident.
Asked about his own views on how to seek Justice, Ruto immediately pounced on the Waki report which he termed as “rubbish” and "unfairly incriminating". He explained that he voted (in Parliament) in favour of the Special Tribunal for the sake of the country but he was not sure whether the ICC or a local tribunal was the way to go," the Wikileaks cable states. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 16, 2011 23:49:10 GMT 3
For a long time, I have been asking here, just what it is that ruto did to warrant his name being included on the Ocampo list, as well as explain why wana Gema so loathe this man and accuse him of being responsible for P.E.V in RV.
Mention the name ruto to any mwana Gema and what you get is a sneer, with virulent contempt. No wonder his rating in Central is a little south of zero!!
Pole pole, it seems that what ruto is accused of doing, is coming out.
Ocampo still has to connect the dots in a bullet proof, unimpeachable, incontrovertible manner, to secure a conviction. I still think the burden of proof is a little high if there is no paper trail, audio/visual recording, and if there are no FIRST HAND witnesses. But in jomo jnrs case, its much easier to connect the dots.
But what happened to the wana Gema in that church is very disturbing, and after it occurred, the wana Gema obviously wanted extract some blood. Lo and behold, jomo jnr organized and funded the mungiki militia to carry out the same heinous dastardly crime of arson, on those thought to be ODMers, only this time, a good chunk of the Naivasha victims were from places other than RV, like say Nyanza, Gussi land and Western.
So now we have a dilemma, a catch 22, they call it.
Its a bizzare conundrum, and here it is.
jomo jnr has decided to band together with ruto to form a coalition that will shield them from crimes against Humanity, they are very likely to have committed. This means that for jomo jnr to go and evade the long arm of the law, the price will be that ruto, also get the same privilege, and gets some relief from prosecution.
They are using their various tribes to form a cocoon within which, they can find solace and comfort from the law.
That obviously means that wana Gema who perished in RV most likely wont get justice, as the major suspect/culprit, ruto will go scott free! And why is that? Just so that jomo jnr too gets to go scott free!!
Are the wana Gema ready to make this deal with the devil? Are they ready to write off justice for their brethren who perished, as a price, to let jomo jnr go scott free?
Are they really ready to do that? Can they embrace this deal?
I seriously doubt it.
I dont think they are ready to exchange liberty for jomo jnr, with no accountability assigned as to the PEV perps.!!
Are they ready to live without closure, without knowing that those who funded, organized, and executed the Kiambaa church arson and ensuing massacre, are walking around running for P.O.R.K and other offices of note, while their pain persists?
Are the wana Gema ready to impale themselves at the sword of justice, on jomo jnr s behalf, just so that jomo jnr can go free?
I have stated many times here that ruto's case is very different than that of jomo jnr.
With rutos case, if he indeed was wholly, or partly responsible for the P.E.V in RV, then whatever crimes he committed, dove - tails seamlessly with the general aim of his community at large.
The wana RV clearly were tired of the historical land injustices visited upon them by the past regimes. They thought they had a good shot with ODM in power, that majimbo would begin to adress those ills. They wanted their land back.
So its clear, that ruto went to bat for his community, and that they are grateful for it, and thats why ruto still retains a lot of political goodwill back where he comes from. Its also the main reason why a huge chunk of IDPs wont dare go back, for the sore is still open. The reasons for tensions between the wana Gema and RV arent resolved.
Which then brings me, back again, to the mythical kei kei kei alliance.
It only exists in jomo jnrs/ruto's mind.
This is an alliance that just CANT HAPPEN!
I am loving this, watching the drip, drip, drip of evidence come out to strongly implicate both these thuggish war lords, kina ruto and jomo jnr.
Yep lets enjoy as they squirm for these guys know their goose is cooked and as far as I am concerned, they aint going to the wa nina of all courts The Hague.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 16, 2011 23:55:37 GMT 3
Ruto did not do anything wrong: Here is the real story. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 17, 2011 0:13:44 GMT 3
kham forgot to add one cartoon
"he is responsible for my switching positions on the KATIBA, after saying Yes in Naivasha, to NO"
This is a good catalogue of ruto's lies!
What a charlatan this guy is.
What a waste of talent!!
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Post by toddo on Mar 17, 2011 8:18:34 GMT 3
Poor Ruto. He has a few days to clear the cobwebs in his head as Ocampo's train is now moving too fast for the funeral speeches to be made in a coherent manner. He may need more than one or two funerals per weekend.
The sad part is that he wants to take the Kalenjin community with him. Too bad for him as I know that after a while - sober minded members of that community will realize that every criminal needs to carry their own cross. I pray that he has good lawyers. I really do. As for the little trust that he received from Kenyans after working for Moi for all those years - he can kiss that goodbye even if he ever comes back strong in the political scene. I mean this from a nationalistic perspective.
Did I say that he needs good lawyers too.
On another note, Mr Sang says he has no money to buy air tickets but he was spending money paying lawyers to file injuctions at the ICC . Maybe the ICC should buy him a one way ticket and he does not need to come back. That is his choice
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Post by boyengo on Mar 17, 2011 12:08:40 GMT 3
PM,
On Tuesday I had accompanied my friend to Muranga for a funeral and to be honest,Kenyatta and Ruto are the heros there due the sustained negative coverage of ICC process.Sadly they have completely forgotten what happened and most of them have been told9or brainwashed whatever the case) that once Ocampo Six go to the Hague they shall be locked up just like the Kapenguria Six...Just imagine!You guys you need to go the ground,Kenyan press have played a great part in the ICC myth that most people are now of the opinion we forget about the Local mechanism,ICC etc,resettle IDPs(without seeking any justice) concentrate on bringing Kenyans together with full implementation of the Katiba!
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 17, 2011 12:22:16 GMT 3
Boyengo .
Its not that they have forgotten what happened , Its that they know Raila incited Kenyans against each other and he is trying to re-do that again now with the Mau IDPS
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Post by phil on Mar 17, 2011 12:26:31 GMT 3
PM, On Tuesday I had accompanied my friend to Muranga for a funeral and to be honest,Kenyatta and Ruto are the heros there due the sustained negative coverage of ICC process.Sadly they have completely forgotten what happened and most of them have been told9or brainwashed whatever the case) that once Ocampo Six go to the Hague they shall be locked up just like the Kapenguria Six...Just imagine!You guys you need to go the ground,Kenyan press have played a great part in the ICC myth that most people are now of the opinion we forget about the Local mechanism,ICC etc,resettle IDPs(without seeking any justice) concentrate on bringing Kenyans together with full implementation of the Katiba! This is not entirely correct. The opinion of Kenya is hardly confined to a small village funeral in Maragwa. You need to listen to national radio to get measure the opinion or gauge the mood of the country. We know that the same impunity barons control mainstream media. But that did not stop Kenyans from voting the way they did in 2002 and also in 2007. In fact, in 2012, the voting is expected to be much more on an informed basis than on tribal grounds. Whichever way I look at it, in 2012, the people will be the victors. |
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Post by boyengo on Mar 17, 2011 13:25:46 GMT 3
@ Nowayhaha n Pm,
I like being optimistic and real!!
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 17, 2011 15:26:47 GMT 3
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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 17, 2011 15:29:34 GMT 3
The victims have spoken and may they get justice. uhuru, ruto, muthaura, stem hotel lunch......aren't important.. Post-election Kiambaa fire survivors oppose deferral bidSurvivors of the Kiambaa Kenya Assemblies of God Church fire tragedy have opposed Government’s move to seek deferral of cases at the International Criminal Court. The 24 survivors who live at Rironi Camp in Kipipiri District opposed any delays in prosecuting suspected masterminds of post-election violence. They said the deferral bid was against their wish and would deny them justice. "We have been waiting for justice all this long and every day that passes without anyone being made to face trial amounts to a denial of justice on our part. These same politicians caused the violence that shattered our lives forever," said their chairman Anthony Ng’ang’a. Mr Ng’ang’a said it was unfortunate that politicians were using their plight to gain political mileage in the quest for power ahead of 2012 General Election. They said they were ready to testify at The Hague to ensure justice is served and those who killed innocent Kenyans face the full force of the law. Ng’ang’a said leaders from nations that are supporting the deferral bid should visit them and evaluate the magnitude of post-election violence effects before backing the move that he termed ill advised. "Why is the Government planning to defer the matter and yet we are here in camps suffering? They should come and ask us what we would like done to the suspects," he noted.Some of the victims suffered over 25 per cent burns on their bodies while others are still under medication. The IDPs accused the Government of spending so much money on shuttle diplomacy at their expense. Thirty-five people lost their lives at the church in Eldoret after it was set on fire by their assailants who were out to eject them from Rift Valley. Among the victims who live in the camp is young Mike Misheck who was thrown out of the window by her burning mother to save his life.  Misheck is now three years old. www.standardmedia.co.ke/news/InsidePage.php?id=200003133 |
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Post by Horth on Mar 17, 2011 16:42:09 GMT 3
This is not entirely correct. The opinion of Kenya is hardly confined to a small village funeral in Maragwa. You need to listen to national radio to get measure the opinion or gauge the mood of the country. We know that the same impunity barons control mainstream media. But that did not stop Kenyans from voting the way they did in 2002 and also in 2007. In fact, in 2012, the voting is expected to be much more on an informed basis than on tribal grounds. Whichever way I look at it, in 2012, the people will be the victors. And you're entirely correct with your above assessment? Maybe you should read a bit on fractals if you don't think a small village reflects the greater population. Dreams. In 2002 and 2007, most Kenyans voted as per the wishes of their respective tribal leaders. Misrepresenting history as you're trying to do above doesn't change the reality. Follow the leader. I tend to believe, based on my own personal observations around the country, Boyengo's view. In fact, in 2012, the tribal card is yet again going to play a very big role in the elections, if not the major role. This means Ruto is going to enjoy and expect a huge following from "his" people..... Uhuru is going to enjoy and expect a huge following from "his" people..... Raila is going to enjoy and expect a huge following from "his" people.....Kalonzo is going to…oh. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 17, 2011 22:06:10 GMT 3
@ Nowayhaha n Pm, I like being optimistic and real!! What you like or not is irrelevant. How you feel dont matter squat. The PEV victims voice is more powerful and indeed they are speaking aloud and clear soma hapa They have said, like 85% of Kenyans, they want the ICC 6 to be accountable! I am loving this! |
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Post by danielwaweru on Mar 18, 2011 0:05:46 GMT 3
This is not entirely correct. The opinion of Kenya is hardly confined to a small village funeral in Maragwa. You need to listen to national radio to get measure the opinion or gauge the mood of the country. We know that the same impunity barons control mainstream media. But that did not stop Kenyans from voting the way they did in 2002 and also in 2007. In fact, in 2012, the voting is expected to be much more on an informed basis than on tribal grounds. Whichever way I look at it, in 2012, the people will be the victors. And you're entirely correct with your above assessment? Maybe you should read a bit on fractals if you don't think a small village reflects the greater population. Dreams. In 2002 and 2007, most Kenyans voted as per the wishes of their respective tribal leaders. Misrepresenting history as you're trying to do above doesn't change the reality. Follow the leader. Nah. The only properly realistic voting model I've seen for Kenya is Kimenyi and Gutierrez-Romero. When some of their assumptions are relaxed, it looks like the best explanation we have for electoral behaviour. (I wrote a short piece a while ago explaining what I mean.) The relevant bit is: In Tribalism as a Minimax Regret Strategy, Kimenyi and Gutierrez Romero argue persuasively that ethnic voting in Kenya is defensive: a given voter acts to minimize the probability of what he takes to be the worst outcome (Kimenyi & Gutierrez-Romero 2008: 7-8 for explanation). A defensive vote is distinct from a negative vote. Suppose all possible outcomes are gains. Then, the worst outcome is a gain, so even if a voter votes to minimize the chances of his worst outcome, he will not have voted negatively, because he'll have voted for some gain or other. But that's an unlikely situation: the more common case is a prospective loss which the voter will be voting to mitigate or avoid. Kimenyi and Gutierrez Romero's result -- that the voting wasn't negative, in the sense of negative I've given here -- is achieved under the remarkably unrealistic assumption that Gikuyu voters did not expect to be discriminated against under an Odinga government (Kimenyi & Gutierrez-Romero 2008: 7 n5). The assumption is false: credible threats of violence are a reasonable predictor of future behaviour; PNU voters were likelier to report threats of electoral violence. Their result ought to be strengthened once the more realistic assumption is in place: all else remaining equal, raising the potential loss raises the probability that the voter will act to mitigate it. Kenyans' voting behaviour is generally best explained as an attempt to mimimise their losses. Since those losses are assigned by ethnicity, they vote along ethnic lines. If your tribal chief leads you into a bad place, he won't stay your tribal chief very long (although Raila may be the partial exception here). |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 18, 2011 0:16:22 GMT 3
If your tribal chief leads you into a bad place, he won't stay your tribal chief very long (although Raila may be the partial exception here). I dont know which "tribal chief" has suffered the ax yet. Kombo? kie kie kie, ;D ;D he led nowhere really and got axed !! Who are you referring to? kipkorios? So as per your theory - and the piece quoted was mostly incomprehensible chatter, what will happen to jomo jnr ? He was party to the cabal that stole the election that had deadly consequences to his base. Will they ax him? Or will they "reward" him for organizing murderous revenge attacks, mostly carried out away from the epicenters of PEV? |
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Post by danielwaweru on Mar 18, 2011 1:49:04 GMT 3
With rutos case, if he indeed was wholly, or partly responsible for the P.E.V in RV, then whatever crimes he committed, dove - tails seamlessly with the general aim of his community at large.
The wana RV clearly were tired of the historical land injustices visited upon them by the past regimes. They thought they had a good shot with ODM in power, that majimbo would begin to adress those ills. They wanted their land back.
So its clear, that ruto went to bat for his community, and that they are grateful for it, and thats why ruto still retains a lot of political goodwill back where he comes from. Its also the main reason why a huge chunk of IDPs wont dare go back, for the sore is still open. The reasons for tensions between the wana Gema and RV arent resolved. First, it's clear that there was wide communal support for ethnic cleansing among ordinary Kalenjin, and even widespread support for violence; it's far from clear that there was wide communal support for violence of the magnitude and intensity which preceded and followed the elections. The evidence is very clear, too, that the majimboists among the RV political class had arranged violence whatever the outcome of the vote, so the violence wasn't conditional on an ODM loss. Your problem is that the exact same argument works for Uhuru too: there was a communal grievance, and in arranging for mass murder (allegedly) Uhuru took care (I speak loosely) of the communal grievance. Therefore, we would expect Uhuru to be as popular as Ruto among Gikuyu. Now, you think that Uhuru is widely popular among the Gikuyu, yet you're puzzled how this could be. Let's assume he is, in fact, as widely popular as you take him to be. Then the obvious explanation is the very same one which works in the Ruto case. Let me be clear. I saw the Burden of Peace a little while ago, and a young Kalenjin woman explained how she was gang-raped. I'm completely uninterested in belonging to any community whose communal interest extends to the gang-rape of innocent women. Likewise, there are quite a lot of Kalenjin people who are not interested in belonging to a community whose communal interest extends to open planning for mass murder. One of them, indeed, has this to say: “My people’s culture does not believe in violence for the sake of it,” says the elder, himself a well-educated person who adheres to Kalenjin traditions at home, including the honoring of ancestors. “But in [the Dec. 27, 2007 election], we were just killing people. I will not allow my community to be used to go killing people, looting properties. If I allow this to continue, the country will perish.”
By confronting Ruto publicly during the campaign and afterward, the elder has earned the ire of Ruto’s supporters. Now, he plans to testify to the ICC investigation, at great personal risk.
“They believe that if they have the money, they’ll be able to get young men and mobilize them, but the people are not that desperate all the time,” he says. “They only need to be sensitized to the dangers of being used to carry out violence.
“They preach violence against the Kikuyus, against the Luos, and against Kalenjins like me who are enemies of Ruto,” says the elder. But the way to prevent another outbreak of violence is to start, right now, he says, to educate young people that they are the ones who suffer when violence breaks out. “The people who fight for Ruto, they are still suffering, while Ruto and his friends are in Nairobi getting rich. So to start reducing the effects of violence is to bring education to the people about what they gained. The answer is nothing.”
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Post by danielwaweru on Mar 18, 2011 1:51:08 GMT 3
If your tribal chief leads you into a bad place, he won't stay your tribal chief very long (although Raila may be the partial exception here). I dont know which "tribal chief" has suffered the ax yet. Kombo? kie kie kie, ;D ;D he led nowhere really and got axed !! Who are you referring to? kipkorios? So as per your theory - and the piece quoted was mostly incomprehensible chatter, what will happen to jomo jnr ? He was party to the cabal that stole the election that had deadly consequences to his base. Will they ax him? Or will they "reward" him for organizing murderous revenge attacks, mostly carried out away from the epicenters of PEV? Perhaps Moi woud be willing to refresh your memory. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 18, 2011 1:58:09 GMT 3
Perhaps Moi woud be willing to refresh your memory. I guess then you cant back up your rather thin claims then, as you offer NO example of your "hypothesis" about the fate of leaders and where they lead to!! If you consider him as a tribal chief, kipkorios was beloved, and he only lost his mojo AFTER he left office (hence not a leader anymore) ;D ;D |
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Misheck is now three years old. 
