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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 18, 2011 17:07:47 GMT 3
The Party of National Unity has said the International Criminal Court process in regard to the Ocampo six is a ploy by its coalition partner to manipulate the next elections. PNU charged that the ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo was being used by the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) to determine the outcome of the 2012 General Election in advance. “We shall not permit Ocampo to manipulate in advance the 2012 general elections, deny us our fundamental constitutional right and appoint a president by default,” said the party secretary general Kiraitu Murungi during a news conference at PNUs' headquarters in Nairobi. Flanked by top officials, Mr Murungi asserted that the party would not relent in its push to have the six suspects tried locally. Vowing that they will push for Kenya to withdraw from the Rome Statute even if The Hague trials begin, PNU echoed party leader President Kibaki,’s argument before the African Union that taking the Ocampo six to the Hague was a threat to national peace. “Only an irresponsible party would not see this ominous signal that the ICC process may very well undermine justice and collective peace for the nation,” said the party in a statement read by Mr Murungi. It repeated earlier threats to pull out of the coalition, saying a National Governing Council meeting planned for June this year would pass the final resolution on the matter. The Coalition, the party argues, has paralysed government operations, and slowed the implementation of the Constitution. "Members will decide whether to continue with this frustrating marriage or whether the time for divorce has come,” said Mr Murungi. Mr Moreno-Ocampo named Finance minister Uhuru Kenyatta, head of civil service Francis Muthaura, Postmaster General Hussein Ali, MPs William Ruto, Henry Kosgey and radio presenter Joshua arap Sang as those he considers to have borne the greatest responsibility for the violence that left 1,133 dead and 650,000 uprooted from their homes. The six have been summoned to make an initial appearance at The Hague on April 7 and indicated that they will honour the summonses. At the same time, the party announced that it would not give direct nominations to its candidates in the Kamukunji by-election. Instead, the party has invited the Interim Independent Elections Commission (IIEC) to oversee the nominations. PNU lost the Kamukunji seat in January this year, after the High Court nullified the election of Simon Mbugua, following a successive petition by Ibrahim Ahmed of ODM. Riding on recent victory in Kirinyaga Central by-elections, the party promised that the nominations for its flag bearer in Kamukunji would be free and fair. “We learnt lessons in Juja (by-elections), this time we want the people to participate in the nominations,” said Mr Murungi. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1128536/-/7pohku/-/index.html |
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Post by awacho on Mar 18, 2011 17:21:57 GMT 3
Yes I agree. There is a ploy to force a bunch of fugitive murderers, rapists and arsonists on the ballot papers and manipulate the 2012 elections.
What Kiraitu was vaguely saying is, "the Ocampo sita are not coming in April or ever. We will not cooperate with the Hague".
They clearly are now preparing the political ground for noncooperation with ICC but 85% of the Kenyans can see right through these ploys and will be prepared for them.
Politicalmaniac and a few others here were right. I am sold. These thugs are not willingly going in April. They are being vague. We will drag you to Hague!
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 18, 2011 17:42:48 GMT 3
Nothing to worry about Pay the IDP's Some $$$$ they will hunt the OCampo 6 down and with pleasure hand them over to the ICC, Kenya iko na wenyewe .. the Ocampo 6 will come to realize that, they can't and won't be allowed by the Kenyan citizens to bring the country to a stand still my their mafia thuggery!!
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Post by phil on Mar 18, 2011 18:03:45 GMT 3
Yes I agree. There is a ploy to force a bunch of fugitive murderers, rapists and arsonists on the ballot papers and manipulate the 2012 elections. What Kiraitu was vaguely saying is, "the Ocampo sita are not coming in April or ever. We will not cooperate with the Hague". They clearly are now preparing the political ground for noncooperation with ICC but 85% of the Kenyans can see right through these ploys and will be prepared for them. Politicalmaniac and a few others here were right. I am sold. These thugs are not willingly going in April. They are being vague. We will drag you to Hague! Agreed. Ni sawa. Let them not go, and let them give ICC even more reason to substitute summons for arrest warrants. But where does Kalonzo Musyoka feature in this political matrix? Can he really read the message on the wall? |
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 18, 2011 18:17:45 GMT 3
Folks,We know the next move. This is the launching of the campaign for non compliance and turning Kenya into a pariah state. So far we have the likes of Prof. Kagwanja, a close Kibaki advisor, testing the waters with talk about Africa pulling out of the ICC yada yada. We have heard from the lunatic Dr. Matsanga instructing the Ocampo six not to show up at the Hague, otherwise they will be locked up. Elsewhere, Kibaki is still talking about deferral as if he lives in the moon. The thing flopped yesterday and China had a good shot. If I was the Chinese government I would have told the US, UK and France that I will veto the No fly zone in the Libyan case at the UNSC unless I get to please my Kenyan toy, Mr. Kibaki by getting a deferral. But I guess one needs to have some sound arguments to get things done at the UNSC and not just empty words and toxic fury. It is kind of sad to see Kiraitu Murungi crying that without Uhuru in the PNU nobody else can put up a credible contest for the presidency. Uhuru is an infant in politics compared to Kiraitu Murungi. Kiraitu was pounding the streets and fighting for a better Kenya when kina Uhuru were still suckling Moi's dictatorial milk bags. Why can't Kiraitu offer himself as a candidate for the presidency?
Why must Uhuru be the one to carry them(PNU) on his back even when Uhuru's hands are dripping with the blood of innocent Kenyans butchered in the PEV? Who said that only warlords can lead PNU? Is it part of the PNU constitution?The bottom line is that PNU and the forces of impunity in Kenya are now banking on Kibaki helping the Ocampo six abscond and refuse to show up at the Hague. Let them try and see what follows. The nation is ready. adongo
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Post by nalinali on Mar 18, 2011 18:29:44 GMT 3
I see this--just as the rest of you have stated--as a precursor to noncompliance with the summons. I hope we are wrong on this. But what we should be on the look out for is the use of state machinery to exact what in their view would amount to "poetic justice" against the PM. I saw the just announced police commencement of investigation into the PEV as a smokescreen to find something with which to smear the PM with, even if a lie.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 18, 2011 19:06:50 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 18, 2011 19:48:24 GMT 3
Despite the fact that kiai takes forever to mention who the so called "leaders" are its a good piece. In this paragraph here, he was actually referring to the 'shock doctrine', that the mt kenya mafiya have sucessfully used Yet, this crushing of our hopes should not surprise us, for over the years this has become the hallmark of President Kibaki. There are many stories of his in-now, out-tomorrow antics from the 1980s with the “mlolongo” voting, to the formation of FORD and others, but the climax was surely the collapse of the Narc dream in 2003.When folks are in stunned shock, that is the most opportune time to push in cataclysmic changes, or make stupendous pronouncements. Already we have seen kiraitu more or less imply - no "jomn jnr, no election". Any right thinking Kenyan may just think this guy is the joker in the Bat man series. But guess what, he aint joking. The stakes are high, very high. |
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Post by job on Mar 19, 2011 1:35:10 GMT 3
So Raila is colluding with Ocampo in order to remove Raila’s competitors from the 2012 presidential race. This argument must be nevertheless marketing well in certain areas for Kiraitu to keep selling it.
There is a burning need to build opposition to the ICC prosecutions. PNU is very keen to prejudice people against the Hague while stomping upon victims, IDPs and such small voices. It’s naked quest for (protection) power in 2012. It’s politics stupid!
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Post by mank on Mar 19, 2011 1:58:19 GMT 3
....... It is kind of sad to see Kiraitu Murungi crying that without Uhuru in the PNU nobody else can put up a credible contest for the presidency. Uhuru is an infant in politics compared to Kiraitu Murungi. Kiraitu was pounding the streets and fighting for a better Kenya when kina Uhuru were still suckling Moi's dictatorial milk bags. Why can't Kiraitu offer himself as a candidate for the presidency? ...............Ooh no no no no! Please don't give Kiraitu the idea that he could be the one. Let's agree on installing a goat for president if there is no one else. Honestly I cannot understand how people stand the stupidity that comes from this man's mouth. |
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Post by okhunyanye on Mar 19, 2011 6:12:33 GMT 3
So Raila is colluding with Ocampo in order to remove Raila’s competitors from the 2012 presidential race. This argument must be nevertheless marketing well in certain areas for Kiraitu to keep selling it. Why ODM is not rebutting this narrative forcefully is sincerely beyond my comprehension. It is a narrative that has hurt and continues to hurt the party. If Wikileaks is anything to go by, Kibaki, with information from NSIS squarely placed the blame for PEV in the Rift Valley on Ruto's feet. By inference therefore, Kibaki took Ruto to the Hague. The madia mainly gave this information a wide berth. It's about time ODM started working hard to debunk some of these myths. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 19, 2011 6:37:15 GMT 3
So Raila is colluding with Ocampo in order to remove Raila’s competitors from the 2012 presidential race. This argument must be nevertheless marketing well in certain areas for Kiraitu to keep selling it. Why ODM is not rebutting this narrative forcefully is sincerely beyond my comprehension. It is a narrative that has hurt and continues to hurt the party. If Wikileaks is anything to go by, Kibaki, with information from NSIS squarely placed the blame for PEV in the Rift Valley on Ruto's feet. By inference therefore, Kibaki took Ruto to the Hague. The madia mainly gave this information a wide berth. It's about time ODM started working hard to debunk some of these myths. Raila is on recording retorting that if these guys dont go, they will cause more chaos in 2012. In addition, Raila and his gofers just send a letter to UN pushing the cases through. How do you expect them to run away from this reality? This is not propaganda, these are not lies, but the whole truth. |
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Post by toddo on Mar 19, 2011 9:32:34 GMT 3
Why ODM is not rebutting this narrative forcefully is sincerely beyond my comprehension. It is a narrative that has hurt and continues to hurt the party. If Wikileaks is anything to go by, Kibaki, with information from NSIS squarely placed the blame for PEV in the Rift Valley on Ruto's feet. By inference therefore, Kibaki took Ruto to the Hague. The madia mainly gave this information a wide berth. It's about time ODM started working hard to debunk some of these myths. Raila is on recording retorting that if these guys dont go, they will cause more chaos in 2012. In addition, Raila and his gofers just send a letter to UN pushing the cases through. How do you expect them to run away from this reality? This is not propaganda, these are not lies, but the whole truth.
Now you are using selective memory. For you, it is not okay for ODM as a partner of the government to write and clarify their position on the ICC case to the UNSC but it is okay for a section of ill-advised MPS within the same party to write to the UNSC. And when the Kenya Human Rights Body wrote to the UNSC, I did not hear any opposition. Or did I hear anyone say that they and their ICC opponents were also going to produce 10 million signatures to show why there should be deferral. BTW, the deferral case is now dead Both PNU/ODM has let Kenyans down many times but I don't think ODM should be blamed for the ICC case. When all settles down, history will judge those who stole the elections in the first place, used state machinery to rape women, maim and murder hundreds of innocent Kenyans and hope that the rest of us will stand by and watch it without raising a finger. Ooh NO! We wont. Kiraitu is now showing us clearly where his bread is buttered. There was a time when he would have been considered a true Kenyan hero because he was opposed to Moi. I guess now that a Mt Kenya presidential hopeful has been implicated and may most likely be imprisoned/become a wanted man, things are not looking so good for him - so he thinks. He has been defending what is indefensible including the most dithering president Kenya will ever have. Without any spine, he jostles for words and media attention fully aware that the they cannot stop the ICC case. I wish that he would spend his remaining energy on building a better Kenya - for I know he has the capability of doing so but alas - I am so mistaken. I would suggest that he shows up in the next session in parliament and contribute to bills that will enable us get the constitution implemented but again I think he has now dipped his feet too deep into the nauseating tribal politics. |
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