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Post by mank on Mar 30, 2011 2:35:57 GMT 3
I dedicate that to Adongo. I am not the only one saying the stuff you dislike me for. It is not about me ... it is about what you posted here man. Don't just bring here everything Miguna writes and expect everyone to stand in ovation.
mank,It would be nice if you can speak for yourself. I have tremendous respect for people like kaburwo who speak for themselves and actually initiate a lot of very powerful and helpful posts in this thread. I have never bothered much with hecklers as you know. So if you want to join that line, pick a number. Nobody asked you for a standing ovation and I am not sure many would have even noticed. I have already given my opinion on the miguna piece on this very thread, read it before you look for people on whose back you want to jump. I will give kaburwo the mature response he deserves because I really respect the work he does and I am fully behind him. In fact I will also privately communicate with him. In the meantime, if you have anything to say for yourself, I will listen to it. Thank you adongo Did I say you did not give Miguna's thing your opinion? After all given that you are the one who broght this stuff here, do I need really to read your opinion to know what it is?? You claimed that I did not point out anything particular, and I told you I did. Look at reply #7. I gave you Kaburwo's because it is very like what I was saying. So you may choose to respect what Kaburwo said and not mine, but you will be respecting mine anyway. I would be concerned if my views get respect along those of Miguna. So I am good not having your respect straigh up. |
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Post by palaver on Mar 30, 2011 2:54:57 GMT 3
In Miguna's own words "Celebrated indictees"!
Haha
lets not call a spade a big spoon.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 30, 2011 3:03:52 GMT 3
After all given that you are the one who broght this stuff here, do I need really to read your opinion to know what it is?? . C'mon man!! YES YOU NEED TO READ THE BLOODY THING BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH!! Stop digging the bloody hole and start climbing out. If you have NOT READ what AO wrote then what are you blathering about concerning what he wrote? If you have NOT READ what AO said in his piece where in god's good world do you start critiquing his opinion? What did he say? What did you disagree with exactly? C'mon man!! This is contemptible coming from you. Utterly disgusting! The height of intellectual dishonesty and arrogance! Eti you just assume things and make up facts in the process Shame on you! You would be similarly disappointed if a board member here played that juvenile prank on you |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 30, 2011 3:17:29 GMT 3
That Miguna is a sick man, has never been in doubt, but he is in good company both in his office and here. Those of you who have read the cables know what they say about Raila and the company he keeps, and all this is confirmed everyday. Thats why Kenyans will not allow these fellows anywhere near the country's leadership, they are a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by mank on Mar 30, 2011 4:17:55 GMT 3
After all given that you are the one who broght this stuff here, do I need really to read your opinion to know what it is?? . C'mon man!! YES YOU NEED TO READ THE BLOODY THING BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH!! Stop digging the bloody hole and start climbing out. If you have NOT READ what AO wrote then what are you blathering about concerning what he wrote? If you have NOT READ what AO said in his piece where in god's good world do you start critiquing his opinion? What did he say? What did you disagree with exactly? C'mon man!! This is contemptible coming from you. Utterly disgusting! The height of intellectual dishonesty and arrogance! Eti you just assume things and make up facts in the process Shame on you! You would be similarly disappointed if a board member here played that juvenile prank on you PM, It was not Adongo's opinion that I was challenged to address. I do not know why Adongo put it across this time, and that is why I said that. Nothing is contemptible coming from me because I am being provoked to say it. What I was challenged to do is to point out what I had problems with in Miguna's writing. I had already done that, pointing a few specifics. Needless to say it would have been enough to say I have problems with everything Miguna wrote this time. |
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Post by madgf on Mar 30, 2011 5:23:13 GMT 3
OMG legal groupie.. don't forget the orange pom poms. Certainly a once in a lifetime historical trial. I'd totally fly my butt there too but I'd rather tickle Horth. He drives me crazy.
Good luck MM!
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 8:02:43 GMT 3
Why I will attend the two funeral dirges at The Hague on April 7th & 8th, 2011 By Miguna Miguna, March 26, 2011 Like my hero the late great Pan-African revolutionary Bantu Steve Biko wrote before he was assassinated by the Apartheid regime –I Write What I like. But I write responsibly, of course. The Constitution of Kenya entrenches and protects my right to free expression and speech. And so do various international instruments. On April 7th and 8th, 2011, I intend to exercise two other fundamental rights and freedoms the Constitution guarantees me: the right of association and travel. I plan to accompany two of Luis Moreno-Ocampo’s celebrated Kenyan indictees - Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto - to The Hague. I am not planning to attend as a lawyer, though, as a well-trained and experienced Barrister and Solicitor, I am more than qualified to hold brief for the two. I haven’t been retained and instructed; and I don’t want to be accused of soliciting. Nor will I be there as a spy. There isn’t anything to spy on since the ICC process is transparent and the two will appear in open court. Moreover, full details of the charges the two are facing have been published locally and abroad. The user-friendly ICC website where the charges and summonses have been posted is accessible to everyone in the world. That site contains everything anybody would like to know about the cases, minus the identities of witnesses. Moreover, on April 7th and 8th, no witnesses will be called. No actual court proceeding will ensue. So, unless Uhuru and Ruto intend to detour to herbalist Ambilikile Mwasapila’s miracle “clinic” in Loliondo, Tanzania, there will be nothing to spy on. I actually could have represented the two “presidential front-runners,” pro bono, if they were facing similar charges the Kapenguria Six faced. In Toronto, Canada, I specialized in defending those brutalized and mistreated by the Police. I have absolutely nothing against some back-street commercial college Uhuru attended in the U.S.A. That a person with no intellectual, commercial or artistic flair – and who has never been gainfully employed through merit - would be considered a “presidential front-runner” by an incumbent president whose legitimacy is questionable, is a phenomenon only a Kenya can explain to the world. In North America and Europe, they swirl around military heroes, tested performers, industry titans and custodians of integrity. Oratorical flair comes in to boost the pith of one’s character; not as a convenient substitute to substance. Wealth is a poisoned chalice in North American politics if its sources are murky. Not in Kenya. In Kenya, it is how much wealth one has – regardless of its sources and no matter the ethical pedigree of its wielder – that determines one’s “status” in life. Even before the “Sonko” phenomenon, those occupying exalted positions in life neither earned nor merited them. The problem is that unlike my heroes, Steve Biko, Nelson Mandela, Chris Hani, Joe Slove, Govan Mbeki and Walter Sisulu who suffered treacherously but courageously waging war against the Apartheid regime in South Africa; Uhuru and Ruto are facing charges at The Hague for crimes against humanity because they allegedly slaughtered innocent Kenyan civilians. Before that, they excelled in YK’92! Uhuru and Ruto are what one might call “historical eye sores”. Uhuru and Ruto are not facing sedition or treason charges. Had Mungiki been a liberation movement – like the Mau Mau and the Umkonto we Ziswe - Uhuru could have earned my pro bono services. But the ICC has accused Uhuru, not of fighting to free the poor and downtrodden Kenyans from poverty, police brutality and abuse; he is facing charges for allegedly using the Mungiki to butcher innocent Luos, Luhyas and Kalenjins in Naivasha and Nakuru for parochial political interests during the post-election violence. Ruto, on the other hand, is accused of burning women and children alive in a church in Eldoret. Of course, Uhuru and Ruto have asserted their innocence in public rallies and funerals. And as a lawyer, I accord them the benefits of doubt that all accused persons are entitled to. The problem, however, is that I watched, like many others, the sickening bloodbath and tragic barbarism that saw thousands murdered, maimed, raped and displaced in 2007/8. The Pre-Trial Chamber II of the ICC, which is the only competent and credible judicial authority that has independently and impartially assessed Moreno-Ocampo’s evidence, unanimously agree - even the dissenting judge agreed - that Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Husein Ali and Joshua Sang, are most responsible for those crimes and should therefore stand trial.Because of the catalogue of crimes against humanity that the ICC has assembled against the Ocampo Six, I intend to travel to The Hague as a spectator to the mourning sessions that the two “celebrated” indictees plan to unveil at The Hague on April 7th. According to various media reports, Uhuru and Ruto are planning to perform the most breath-taking political dirges that have never been seen before. Using a cast of forty MPs - the “Honourable Mourning Troupe” – Uhuru and Ruto will conduct rehearsals in Parliament Buildings, Nairobi; the JKIA and the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport; and hold the final performance at The Hague on both April 7th and 8th. The “Mother of all Funerals” will be staged at The Hague. The chief drummers and trumpeters will be from the infamous YK’92 Troupe. The PNU/KKK and Ocampo Groupies have hired mugithi, nyatiti and sukuti dancers who will stage dazzling traditional dirges that have never been seen before. The two “presidential front-runners” are conducting their political funerals ahead of time. I don’t want to miss the show. That’s why I am traveling to The Hague. Political burial arrangements will be announced later, possibly after the confirmation hearings in November! Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. EXCELLENT BRILLIANT PIECE from Miguna at last a breath of fresh air.. no need for Kenyans going around tip-toeing around UHURU KENYATTA & RUTO.. these thugs engaged in murders and are not even apologetic or remorseful for the bloodshed... IS THERE A NICE OR BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS A MURDERER? OR ISN'T BETTER TO FACE THEM WITH FACTS OF THE CRIMES THEY COMMITTED? " TRUTH" 98% OF KENYANS FIND THEM GUILTY!! IT IS ONLY THE ICC WHICH WANTS TO HEAR THEIR LIES! More Kenyans need to shout out on top of their voices every day.. regarding the THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT KENYANS KILLED by the ORDER of these two thugs !!they need to be locked up and never to return to Kenya.. they are a cancer in the Kenya society and must be removed completely!! ICC MUST LOCK THEM UP AND QUESTION THEM WHILE THEY ARE BEHIND BARS!! UHURU KENYATTA AND RUTO ARE TWO DANGEROUS TO BE RETURNED TO KENYA!! they have already made threats for worse clashes!! why should Kenyans allow them to cause more bloodshed? how ironic that they now stand as one? after they both were engaged in the slaughters of thousands of innocent Kenyans? KENYANS ARE NOT STUPID OR BLIND!! NA WATASHINDWA |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 30, 2011 8:07:08 GMT 3
How about Miguna laying his credentials on the line out here for us to make judgement on his genius or the lack of it? It is not enough for the man to keep coming here and telling us that so and so is half literate or is an academic dwarf. You never know his rants could be driven by inadequacies of a past life or simple an academic challenge.
Miguna could have gone to Njiiri's, but there are many of us that went to better schools than Njiiri's and these need not have been St. Mary's. Miguna went to university and I am sure he can tell us how many years it took him to get a law degree. Finally he may want to tell us of the (any???) cases he has prosecuted or defended as a solicitor and barrister that are of any importance or can be quoted for brilliance. Ny guess is nada!
If he cannot, he should just STFU and push paper at Shell/BP house misadvising the PM.
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 8:10:22 GMT 3
How about Miguna laying his credentials on the line out here for us to make judgement on his genius or the lack of it? It is not enough for the man to keep coming here and telling us that so and so is half literate or is an academic dwarf. You never know his rants could be driven by inadequacies of a past life or simple an academic challenge. Miguna could have gone to Njiiri's, but there are many of us that went to better schools than Njiiri's and these need not have been St. Mary's. Miguna went to university and I am sure he can tell us how many years it took him to get a law degree. Finally he may want to tell us of the (any???) cases he has prosecuted or defended as a solicitor and barrister that are of any importance or can be quoted for brilliance. Ny guess is nada! If he cannot, he should just STFU and push paper at Shell/BP house misadvising the PM. ;D ;D post Uhuru"s credentials here so that we can do some psychopath's tendency analysis on him ... even Murderers tend to be very brilliant until they are caught with pants down... ICC will have a field day.. ;D |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 30, 2011 9:13:26 GMT 3
How about Miguna laying his credentials on the line out here for us to make judgement on his genius or the lack of it? It is not enough for the man to keep coming here and telling us that so and so is half literate or is an academic dwarf. You never know his rants could be driven by inadequacies of a past life or simple an academic challenge. Miguna could have gone to Njiiri's, but there are many of us that went to better schools than Njiiri's and these need not have been St. Mary's. Miguna went to university and I am sure he can tell us how many years it took him to get a law degree. Finally he may want to tell us of the (any???) cases he has prosecuted or defended as a solicitor and barrister that are of any importance or can be quoted for brilliance. Ny guess is nada! If he cannot, he should just STFU and push paper at Shell/BP house misadvising the PM. ;D ;D post Uhuru"s credentials here so that we can do some psychopath's tendency analysis on him ... even Murderers tend to be very brilliant until they are caught with pants down... ICC will have a field day.. ;D Reporter911 Do you always have to stand on your head looking at a mirror before responding or posting anything in this forum? The fact that you even find it funny is in itself very intriguing! |
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Post by cheshirecat on Mar 30, 2011 10:02:11 GMT 3
Why I will attend the two funeral dirges at The Hague on April 7th & 8th, 2011 By Miguna Miguna, March 26, 2011 Like my hero the late great Pan-African revolutionary Bantu Steve Biko wrote before he was assassinated by the Apartheid regime –I Write What I like. But I write responsibly, of course. The Constitution of Kenya entrenches and protects my right to free expression and speech. And so do various international instruments. On April 7th and 8th, 2011, I intend to exercise two other fundamental rights and freedoms the Constitution guarantees me: the right of association and travel. I plan to accompany two of Luis Moreno-Ocampo’s celebrated Kenyan indictees - Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto - to The Hague. I am not planning to attend as a lawyer, though, as a well-trained and experienced Barrister and Solicitor, I am more than qualified to hold brief for the two. I haven’t been retained and instructed; and I don’t want to be accused of soliciting. Nor will I be there as a spy. There isn’t anything to spy on since the ICC process is transparent and the two will appear in open court. Moreover, full details of the charges the two are facing have been published locally and abroad. The user-friendly ICC website where the charges and summonses have been posted is accessible to everyone in the world. That site contains everything anybody would like to know about the cases, minus the identities of witnesses. Moreover, on April 7th and 8th, no witnesses will be called. No actual court proceeding will ensue. So, unless Uhuru and Ruto intend to detour to herbalist Ambilikile Mwasapila’s miracle “clinic” in Loliondo, Tanzania, there will be nothing to spy on. I actually could have represented the two “presidential front-runners,” pro bono, if they were facing similar charges the Kapenguria Six faced. In Toronto, Canada, I specialized in defending those brutalized and mistreated by the Police. I have absolutely nothing against some back-street commercial college Uhuru attended in the U.S.A. That a person with no intellectual, commercial or artistic flair – and who has never been gainfully employed through merit - would be considered a “presidential front-runner” by an incumbent president whose legitimacy is questionable, is a phenomenon only a Kenya can explain to the world. In North America and Europe, they swirl around military heroes, tested performers, industry titans and custodians of integrity. Oratorical flair comes in to boost the pith of one’s character; not as a convenient substitute to substance. Wealth is a poisoned chalice in North American politics if its sources are murky. Not in Kenya. In Kenya, it is how much wealth one has – regardless of its sources and no matter the ethical pedigree of its wielder – that determines one’s “status” in life. Even before the “Sonko” phenomenon, those occupying exalted positions in life neither earned nor merited them. The problem is that unlike my heroes, Steve Biko, Nelson Mandela, Chris Hani, Joe Slove, Govan Mbeki and Walter Sisulu who suffered treacherously but courageously waging war against the Apartheid regime in South Africa; Uhuru and Ruto are facing charges at The Hague for crimes against humanity because they allegedly slaughtered innocent Kenyan civilians. Before that, they excelled in YK’92! Uhuru and Ruto are what one might call “historical eye sores”. Uhuru and Ruto are not facing sedition or treason charges. Had Mungiki been a liberation movement – like the Mau Mau and the Umkonto we Ziswe - Uhuru could have earned my pro bono services. But the ICC has accused Uhuru, not of fighting to free the poor and downtrodden Kenyans from poverty, police brutality and abuse; he is facing charges for allegedly using the Mungiki to butcher innocent Luos, Luhyas and Kalenjins in Naivasha and Nakuru for parochial political interests during the post-election violence. Ruto, on the other hand, is accused of burning women and children alive in a church in Eldoret. Of course, Uhuru and Ruto have asserted their innocence in public rallies and funerals. And as a lawyer, I accord them the benefits of doubt that all accused persons are entitled to. The problem, however, is that I watched, like many others, the sickening bloodbath and tragic barbarism that saw thousands murdered, maimed, raped and displaced in 2007/8. The Pre-Trial Chamber II of the ICC, which is the only competent and credible judicial authority that has independently and impartially assessed Moreno-Ocampo’s evidence, unanimously agree - even the dissenting judge agreed - that Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Husein Ali and Joshua Sang, are most responsible for those crimes and should therefore stand trial.Because of the catalogue of crimes against humanity that the ICC has assembled against the Ocampo Six, I intend to travel to The Hague as a spectator to the mourning sessions that the two “celebrated” indictees plan to unveil at The Hague on April 7th. According to various media reports, Uhuru and Ruto are planning to perform the most breath-taking political dirges that have never been seen before. Using a cast of forty MPs - the “Honourable Mourning Troupe” – Uhuru and Ruto will conduct rehearsals in Parliament Buildings, Nairobi; the JKIA and the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport; and hold the final performance at The Hague on both April 7th and 8th. The “Mother of all Funerals” will be staged at The Hague. The chief drummers and trumpeters will be from the infamous YK’92 Troupe. The PNU/KKK and Ocampo Groupies have hired mugithi, nyatiti and sukuti dancers who will stage dazzling traditional dirges that have never been seen before. The two “presidential front-runners” are conducting their political funerals ahead of time. I don’t want to miss the show. That’s why I am traveling to The Hague. Political burial arrangements will be announced later, possibly after the confirmation hearings in November! Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. Dear Mr learned Barrister and Solicitor, First, many greetings on this cold wet morning in Nairobi. This is Kemunto the tax payer. If you look outside your office window, you might chance to see me slogging through the mud and puddles to my Kibarua in Inda. Secondly, I want to thank you for not being like that other Barrister... (or maybe he is just a lawyer - my simple mind never can grasp the difference) You see that fellow squanders my hard earned tax money hopping from one capital to another is some useless lobbying mission. You, mr, Barrister, on th other hand prefers to spend my tax money writing these highly entertaining insults to one mr. Uhuru. I can't tell you, Mr. Barrister, how much your writing lights up my dark days. I have even stopped watching Vitimbi! I am much indebted to you and wish you many more happy days ahead. Unlike that other fellow, your indulgences leave a far smaller carbon footprint. Why, Mr. Barrister, they should put you on the list for Nobel! Now, what I really wanted to ask, and i hope it wont be too much to ask sir, is if you can find some time; between writing your highly entertaining insults and booking tickets to the Hague, to kindly tell me how the government hopes to help me cope with rising fuel and food prices and the looming food shortage now that the long rains appear to be failing. With some luck, if we won't have starved to death by next year, we might even muster the strength to line up and vote for your most esteemed boss. But only if you have the time. Do not let my minor issues stop such a learned fellow as yourself from sharing the great depths of your mind. it is important to me and many brothers and sisters eking a living in Kenya that the distinction between learned fellows such as yourself and graduates of backwater colleges such ßas Kitutu Masaba school of Law and Tailoring be made. I remain yours faithfully Kemunto the tax payer |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 30, 2011 10:08:27 GMT 3
Folks:
There was a part of Miguna's article which had been inadvertently left out. I have replaced the version posted earlier with the original Miguna sent out.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by kaburwo on Mar 30, 2011 11:25:45 GMT 3
I posted earlier on using the phone, meaning there was little room for post value-addition. Having gone back to the piece re-submitted by OO, it is clear that in an essay of MM uses the first person pronoun "I" 25 times out of the 1,031 words (2.4%). In good prose, and scientific writing, it is advisable to avoid first person pronouns. Use of "I" tells me someone is full of "self". But that is not the main argument here.
Miguna has chosen to walk the road that makes it impossible for a few of us who remain committed to an ODM ideal as espoused in 2007. Of a Kenya free from hate, corruption and tribal jingoism. Sorry that we are getting really thin on this premise but then why should MM try to outdo the Kalonzo kaa kando (KKK) gang?
Looking at this
And then the hubris. May be it is a personal distaste but I take exception to this self-advertisement because it does not advance the argument.
Then to this "below the belt" hit. Why was it necessary, really?
The same Canada (and USA) in which MM lived has probably not elected a PhD holder to office. In fact the excuse that made Bush II better than Al Gore was probably the amount of grey matter (given that the latter was a professor). It was really not necessary that UMK's college be brought to question.
Define to me the difference between a spectator and a mourner. A spectator derives pleasure (would I borrow Lucy's and say fiendish pleasure), a mourner feels the pain. See the difference? We have been telling the Rift Valley that ICC was a lot of pain to ODM and Raila, and that Kalonzo (hitherto number three on the KKK arrangement) was the one 'spectating and celebrating' the indictments because by default Ocampo eliminates 1 and 2 making him FIRST. Then MM puts paid to that argument. So he is celebrating this? Why would he? Show me why anybody would want to fall, and with it drag the PM, into the same traps laid using the ICC indictments?
Miguna's irresponsible use of words and deliberate delirium is betrayed by this:
Now this is utter stupidity and I must register my indignation at this show of insensitivity.
Give him my message. He does not need to go to the Hague, let him stay put in Nairobi. He needs to take a long break from this back-and-forth. If his intention was to show that he was the champion in the mudslinging, I'd lend him some little wisdom from football. Manchester United is the most hated company in the UK. Why? Because of its success. Silence is golden.
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Post by einstein on Mar 30, 2011 11:41:58 GMT 3
No, no,no, Miguna is slowly but surely crossing the line!! This is completely uncalled for! Miguna should stop polluting an already polluted atmosphere. It is not helping anyone, least of all Miguna himself.
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Post by mangai on Mar 30, 2011 12:04:21 GMT 3
Miguna is not doing any good in helping Raila's cause. A large constituency has been/is being lost and his articles further alienates Raila from the few remaining supporters from that constituency. Being the PM's Advisor on Coalition Affairs (whatever that means) more often than not makes it difficult for one to differentiate his opinion from that of the PM.
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Post by commes on Mar 30, 2011 12:11:50 GMT 3
In my troubles in understanding what a barrister and solicitor is, I consulted, the free encyclopedia Wikipedia.
Who said learning never ceases?
In my Building Economics class at A.D.D, UON, we only studied pockets of law.
This is what I found
Solicitors are lawyers who traditionally deal with any legal matter including conducting proceedings in courts.
A barrister is a member of one of the two classes of lawyer found in many common law jurisdictions with split legal professions. Barristers specialize in courtroom advocacy, drafting legal pleadings and giving expert legal opinions. They can be contrasted with solicitors — the other class of lawyer in split professions — who have more direct access with clients and who are in general office based.
In the Canadian context, a barrister and solicitor, is an attorney in the common-law provinces of Canada who is licensed to prepare cases and argue them in court.
That is besides the point, my case with Miguna Miguna is that I like him best when he focuses on issues.
Miguna Jukwaa members are speaking, are you listerning? Your pen is still lethal, you only need to refocus it.
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Post by mzee on Mar 30, 2011 12:12:11 GMT 3
Are we not over reacting to MMs article
If you look at the post against the background of Uhuru madness last weekend, where he insulted whole communities then you see where MM is coming from.
No politician has ever stood up in Kenya and said I hate so and so except Uhuru. Even Ruto often tell all manner of lies but rarely does he exhibit the madness Uhuru showed last weekend. It was outrageous.
Truth of the matter is that UK finds himself caught between a hard place and a stone. There is a tiny possibility that WKR might get off but the same cannot be said of UK, hence his actions.
The man is simply terrified
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Post by roughrider on Mar 30, 2011 12:36:53 GMT 3
I don’t see why people are attacking Miguna. He has simply said the truth!
Amherst is a private institution just like the plethora of private universities we have in Kenya: these are largely commercial. It is usually the case that if you went to USIU or Daystar you (a) had failed your KCSE and was unable to join the public university by merit (you probably garnered a C- grade) AND (b) you were moneyed. This is why when I was studying my undergraduate we had very healthy disrespect for USIU folks whom we considered academic minnows. Obviously with the advent of the ‘parallel degree’, things have changed quite a bit.
Secondly, it is a FACT that the three judges of the pre-trial chamber have AGREED UNANIMOUSLY that these suspects were responsible for the crimes for which Ocampo wants them and that they should answer. In fact, in a strange twist, it is the dissenting judge who offered the most withering opinion of the suspects leaving no doubt that, in his learned and competent view, they were responsible based on the evidence. This is NOT propaganda. These are facts.
Now we can kill the messenger but his message will still haunt.
Finally, Muguna is being an African. Funerals are BIG affairs in Africa. In my neck of woods we have a dirge group called ‘jo-kondo’ or the feather people. They can, with vigorous dancing and singing, turn an ‘ordinary’ funeral into a spectacle. And they are for hire.
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Post by commes on Mar 30, 2011 12:40:36 GMT 3
Are we not over reacting to MMs article If you look at the post against the background of Uhuru madness last weekend, where he insulted whole communities then you see where MM is coming from. No politician has ever stood up in Kenya and said I hate so and so except Uhuru. Even Ruto often tell all manner of lies but rarely does he exhibit the madness Uhuru showed last weekend. It was outrageous. Truth of the matter is that UK finds himself caught between a hard place and a stone. There is a tiny possibility that WKR might get off but the same cannot be said of UK, hence his actions. The man is simply terrified , I agree with you, but there are many ways of skinning a cat. Let Miguna not allow himself to be dragged down by the disturbing acts of one UK. Many had great expectations of UK until he lost his mind cool. I am not Miguna’s keeper to dictate to him how he should go about his works. But for the sake of the right effect, I can only suggest that he bounces off his writings to the likes of OO, Job , AO and others before they go out to press. It is easy to be carried away under these circumstances. I found this header to his article by the Star more “appealing” "Why I Will Go To The Hague With Uhuru and Ruto"I would say the same of Moses Kuria. I just could not miss this opportunity ;D The likes of Kamalet, Mwalimumkuu or emkei Owuor could help MK enhance the substance of MK's articles. Coming to think of it, I have never seen a gathering of PNU MP’s where one Moses Kuria stood in front of the mike or issued a statement on behalf. This brings to mind thoughts like imposter |
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Post by destiny on Mar 30, 2011 12:46:14 GMT 3
Oh dear! Miguna always touches some raw nerves with his hard hitting articles. If you don't like the way he writes, why not just give his "rants and raves" a wide berth instead of the usual whining and moaning? There are lots of other posts one can indulge here in Jukwaa! In his last article, Miguna reminded us that Uhuru excelled in drinking and smoking, something which even Moses Kuria seemed to agree with in his rebuttal. This smoking (puff! Puff! give!) reminds of this scene in the Movie "Friday" well acted by Ice Cube and Chris Tucker:
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Post by commes on Mar 30, 2011 13:15:14 GMT 3
Oh dear! Miguna always touches some raw nerves with his hard hitting articles. If you don't like the way he writes, why not just give his "rants and raves" a wide berth instead of the usual whining and moaning? There are lots of other posts one can indulge here in Jukwaa! In his last article, Miguna reminded us that Uhuru excelled in drinking and smoking, something which even Moses Kuria seemed to agree with in his rebuttal. This smoking (puff! Puff! give!) reminds of this scene in the Movie "Friday" well acted by Ice Cube and Chris Tucker: Destiny The Jukwaa home page notifies us that we should be wishing you a happy birthday Miguna’s laser sharp pen cuts deep. Embedded in his articles are facts that expose and sting We need a writer of Miguna’s calibre in the Battle for Kenya. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 30, 2011 15:24:26 GMT 3
I don’t see why people are attacking Miguna. He has simply said the truth! Amherst is a private institution just like the plethora of private universities we have in Kenya: these are largely commercial. It is usually the case that if you went to USIU or Daystar you (a) had failed your KCSE and was unable to join the public university by merit (you probably garnered a C- grade) AND (b) you were moneyed. This is why when I was studying my undergraduate we had very healthy disrespect for USIU folks whom we considered academic minnows. Obviously with the advent of the ‘parallel degree’, things have changed quite a bit. Secondly, it is a FACT that the three judges of the pre-trial chamber have AGREED UNANIMOUSLY that these suspects were responsible for the crimes for which Ocampo wants them and that they should answer. In fact, in a strange twist, it is the dissenting judge who offered the most withering opinion of the suspects leaving no doubt that, in his learned and competent view, they were responsible based on the evidence. This is NOT propaganda. These are facts. Now we can kill the messenger but his message will still haunt. Finally, Muguna is being an African. Funerals are BIG affairs in Africa. In my neck of woods we have a dirge group called ‘jo-kondo’ or the feather people. They can, with vigorous dancing and singing, turn an ‘ordinary’ funeral into a spectacle. And they are for hire. So Amherst being a private institution is the measure of its mediocrity? Not surprising from Miguna and his choir. What about the Harvards, the Yales, the Princetons and the Stanfords that all privates? |
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 16:20:49 GMT 3
;D ;D post Uhuru"s credentials here so that we can do some psychopath's tendency analysis on him ... even Murderers tend to be very brilliant until they are caught with pants down... ICC will have a field day.. ;D Reporter911 Do you always have to stand on your head looking at a mirror before responding or posting anything in this forum? The fact that you even find it funny is in itself very intriguing! Find what funny Kamalet? Uhuru Credentials that you can't post here? or Uhuru's road map to ICC? I find both hilarious and enlightening but the best one is Uhuru being locked up at the Hague! how about you? it isn't funny anymore is it? ;D maybe you can't get yourself to look in the mirror! how can you? when you are in 100% full support for those who murdered innocent Kenyans in cold blood? at least I look at it standing on my head ;D |
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 16:28:02 GMT 3
Why I will attend the two funeral dirges at The Hague on April 7th & 8th, 2011 By Miguna Miguna, March 26, 2011 Like my hero the late great Pan-African revolutionary Bantu Steve Biko wrote before he was assassinated by the Apartheid regime –I Write What I like. But I write responsibly, of course. The Constitution of Kenya entrenches and protects my right to free expression and speech. And so do various international instruments. On April 7th and 8th, 2011, I intend to exercise two other fundamental rights and freedoms the Constitution guarantees me: the right of association and travel. I plan to accompany two of Luis Moreno-Ocampo’s celebrated Kenyan indictees - Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto - to The Hague. I am not planning to attend as a lawyer, though, as a well-trained and experienced Barrister and Solicitor, I am more than qualified to hold brief for the two. I haven’t been retained and instructed; and I don’t want to be accused of soliciting. Nor will I be there as a spy. There isn’t anything to spy on since the ICC process is transparent and the two will appear in open court. Moreover, full details of the charges the two are facing have been published locally and abroad. The user-friendly ICC website where the charges and summonses have been posted is accessible to everyone in the world. That site contains everything anybody would like to know about the cases, minus the identities of witnesses. Moreover, on April 7th and 8th, no witnesses will be called. No actual court proceeding will ensue. So, unless Uhuru and Ruto intend to detour to herbalist Ambilikile Mwasapila’s miracle “clinic” in Loliondo, Tanzania, there will be nothing to spy on. I actually could have represented the two “presidential front-runners,” pro bono, if they were facing similar charges the Kapenguria Six faced. In Toronto, Canada, I specialized in defending those brutalized and mistreated by the Police. I have absolutely nothing against some back-street commercial college Uhuru attended in the U.S.A. That a person with no intellectual, commercial or artistic flair – and who has never been gainfully employed through merit - would be considered a “presidential front-runner” by an incumbent president whose legitimacy is questionable, is a phenomenon only a Kenya can explain to the world. In North America and Europe, they swirl around military heroes, tested performers, industry titans and custodians of integrity. Oratorical flair comes in to boost the pith of one’s character; not as a convenient substitute to substance. Wealth is a poisoned chalice in North American politics if its sources are murky. Not in Kenya. In Kenya, it is how much wealth one has – regardless of its sources and no matter the ethical pedigree of its wielder – that determines one’s “status” in life. Even before the “Sonko” phenomenon, those occupying exalted positions in life neither earned nor merited them. The problem is that unlike my heroes, Steve Biko, Nelson Mandela, Chris Hani, Joe Slove, Govan Mbeki and Walter Sisulu who suffered treacherously but courageously waging war against the Apartheid regime in South Africa; Uhuru and Ruto are facing charges at The Hague for crimes against humanity because they allegedly slaughtered innocent Kenyan civilians. Before that, they excelled in YK’92! Uhuru and Ruto are what one might call “historical eye sores”. Uhuru and Ruto are not facing sedition or treason charges. Had Mungiki been a liberation movement – like the Mau Mau and the Umkonto we Ziswe - Uhuru could have earned my pro bono services. But the ICC has accused Uhuru, not of fighting to free the poor and downtrodden Kenyans from poverty, police brutality and abuse; he is facing charges for allegedly using the Mungiki to butcher innocent Luos, Luhyas and Kalenjins in Naivasha and Nakuru for parochial political interests during the post-election violence. Ruto, on the other hand, is accused of burning women and children alive in a church in Eldoret. Of course, Uhuru and Ruto have asserted their innocence in public rallies and funerals. And as a lawyer, I accord them the benefits of doubt that all accused persons are entitled to. The problem, however, is that I watched, like many others, the sickening bloodbath and tragic barbarism that saw thousands murdered, maimed, raped and displaced in 2007/8. The Pre-Trial Chamber II of the ICC, which is the only competent and credible judicial authority that has independently and impartially assessed Moreno-Ocampo’s evidence, unanimously agree - even the dissenting judge agreed - that Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Husein Ali and Joshua Sang, are most responsible for those crimes and should therefore stand trial.Because of the catalogue of crimes against humanity that the ICC has assembled against the Ocampo Six, I intend to travel to The Hague as a spectator to the mourning sessions that the two “celebrated” indictees plan to unveil at The Hague on April 7th. According to various media reports, Uhuru and Ruto are planning to perform the most breath-taking political dirges that have never been seen before. Using a cast of forty MPs - the “Honourable Mourning Troupe” – Uhuru and Ruto will conduct rehearsals in Parliament Buildings, Nairobi; the JKIA and the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport; and hold the final performance at The Hague on both April 7th and 8th. The “Mother of all Funerals” will be staged at The Hague. The chief drummers and trumpeters will be from the infamous YK’92 Troupe. The PNU/KKK and Ocampo Groupies have hired mugithi, nyatiti and sukuti dancers who will stage dazzling traditional dirges that have never been seen before. The two “presidential front-runners” are conducting their political funerals ahead of time. I don’t want to miss the show. That’s why I am traveling to The Hague. Political burial arrangements will be announced later, possibly after the confirmation hearings in November! Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. Dear Mr learned Barrister and Solicitor, First, many greetings on this cold wet morning in Nairobi. This is Kemunto the tax payer. If you look outside your office window, you might chance to see me slogging through the mud and puddles to my Kibarua in Inda. Secondly, I want to thank you for not being like that other Barrister... (or maybe he is just a lawyer - my simple mind never can grasp the difference) You see that fellow squanders my hard earned tax money hopping from one capital to another is some useless lobbying mission. You, mr, Barrister, on th other hand prefers to spend my tax money writing these highly entertaining insults to one mr. Uhuru. I can't tell you, Mr. Barrister, how much your writing lights up my dark days. I have even stopped watching Vitimbi! I am much indebted to you and wish you many more happy days ahead. Unlike that other fellow, your indulgences leave a far smaller carbon footprint. Why, Mr. Barrister, they should put you on the list for Nobel! Now, what I really wanted to ask, and i hope it wont be too much to ask sir, is if you can find some time; between writing your highly entertaining insults and booking tickets to the Hague, to kindly tell me how the government hopes to help me cope with rising fuel and food prices and the looming food shortage now that the long rains appear to be failing. With some luck, if we won't have starved to death by next year, we might even muster the strength to line up and vote for your most esteemed boss. But only if you have the time. Do not let my minor issues stop such a learned fellow as yourself from sharing the great depths of your mind. it is important to me and many brothers and sisters eking a living in Kenya that the distinction between learned fellows such as yourself and graduates of backwater colleges such ßas Kitutu Masaba school of Law and Tailoring be made. I remain yours faithfully Kemunto the tax payer Tax payer ;D you should be addressing Uhuru & Kenyatta family they have a case to answer for looting from the Kenya government and tax payers for years up to date even the Mau Mau veterans are still screaming.. look what they use their stolen loot for? paying Mungiki gangs to slaughter, burn and rape innocent Kenyans.. "Kemunto" ;D I guess for sure you belong to the Mashada Forum.. maybe there you can glorify Uhuru Kenyatta & co... |
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 30, 2011 16:38:36 GMT 3
I posted earlier on using the phone, meaning there was little room for post value-addition. Having gone back to the piece re-submitted by OO, it is clear that in an essay of MM uses the first person pronoun "I" 25 times out of the 1,031 words (2.4%). In good prose, and scientific writing, it is advisable to avoid first person pronouns. Use of "I" tells me someone is full of "self". But that is not the main argument here. Miguna has chosen to walk the road that makes it impossible for a few of us who remain committed to an ODM ideal as espoused in 2007. Of a Kenya free from hate, corruption and tribal jingoism. Sorry that we are getting really thin on this premise but then why should MM try to outdo the Kalonzo kaa kando (KKK) gang? Looking at this And then the hubris. May be it is a personal distaste but I take exception to this self-advertisement because it does not advance the argument. Then to this "below the belt" hit. Why was it necessary, really? The same Canada (and USA) in which MM lived has probably not elected a PhD holder to office. In fact the excuse that made Bush II better than Al Gore was probably the amount of grey matter (given that the latter was a professor). It was really not necessary that UMK's college be brought to question. Define to me the difference between a spectator and a mourner. A spectator derives pleasure (would I borrow Lucy's and say fiendish pleasure), a mourner feels the pain. See the difference? We have been telling the Rift Valley that ICC was a lot of pain to ODM and Raila, and that Kalonzo ( hitherto number three on the KKK arrangement) was the one ' spectating and celebrating' the indictments because by default Ocampo eliminates 1 and 2 making him FIRST. Then MM puts paid to that argument. So he is celebrating this? Why would he? Show me why anybody would want to fall, and with it drag the PM, into the same traps laid using the ICC indictments? Miguna's irresponsible use of words and deliberate delirium is betrayed by this: Now this is utter stupidity and I must register my indignation at this show of insensitivity. Give him my message. He does not need to go to the Hague, let him stay put in Nairobi. He needs to take a long break from this back-and-forth. If his intention was to show that he was the champion in the mudslinging, I'd lend him some little wisdom from football. Manchester United is the most hated company in the UK. Why? Because of its success. Silence is golden.
Many Kenyans are going to the ICC? me included if I get a chance, just to See Uhuru & Ruto squirming and spewing lies when most Kenyans know they committed the crimes.. Miguna has a right on this forum or any other forum he chooses to say his peace of mind as a Kenyans, so why the noises on here? first and foremost Miguna is a Kenyan like most of us who watched the 2007-08 ordered killings, every Kenyan has the right to speak their minds whether you like it or not and you can debate all you want on what Miguna should say or shouldn't say!! who gave you the right to police other Kenyans rights to speak their minds? On these furom you have every right to speak your mind on the case at hand happening in Kenya and heading to the ICC! " did UHURU KENYATTA & RUTO HIRE & PAY MUNGIKI & OTHER THUGS TO SLAUGHTER INNOCENT KENYANS IN COLD BLOOD? 98% of Kenyans say yes they did and they should face the ICC.. |
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