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Post by gachquota on Apr 8, 2011 0:07:19 GMT 3
Popcorns more plizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by gachquota on Apr 8, 2011 0:07:47 GMT 3
Guiness kubwa mambo sawaz
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 8, 2011 0:16:49 GMT 3
Na wewe boss mwalimumkuu kwani ,where do you expect the ICC to gather their info from,attend the rallies? Wacha mchezo bwana. Hata ukiwa wapi ICT iko duniani & you can as well research on anything,na ukitaka hata goggle earth kama unataka kuona ulimwengu. hehehehehe It is like you kill someone and make a video of the killing and take the video to the judge and then turn around and tell the judge they cannot base their judgment on the video which clearly shows you killing a person. Talk about convoluted reasoning. These guys have been running around like mad men inciting violence, issuing threats, trashing the ICC as a phony political group being used by their political rivals and making all manner of stupid statements. The mwalimumkuus were busy jumping with excitement and now they are surprised the ICC is telling them any more of that foolishness and your ass is in jail. They got their long rope and wrapped it handsomely around their necks, what are the judges to do. Any more upuzi and someone will pull that rope. No my friend, not that first, we are only questioning the logic of some of the reasonings of the court. You know for sure that some of these newspapers are wholly owned by families (take Moi's the standard for example), what will stop them from publishing selfish articles meant to sacrifice their perceived political enemies? We also know the kind of power that editors wield especially in framing strories and news items in those papers. If you have cared to check, some of them have actually been accused of being moles of certain politicians. Remember some fellow called Kwendo Opanga? I mean, even year 1 students of research 101 know that newspapers cannot and will never be credible sources of information. That is how upside-down this ICC circus is.
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Post by Fahari on Apr 8, 2011 0:45:10 GMT 3
Interestingly these summonses have only served to build the political profiles of Uhuru and Ruto kenyans do so love the under dog. The unfortunate aspect of these trials is that they will block political competition in terms of policy and ideology come 2012. These people have become "our persecuted heroes". Now, I detest the ICC trials i see it as neo colonialism, a local tribunal would have been better but regardless of the outcome I feel that they will impede healthy political competition in terms of ideas versus personalties. Thanks to the over zealous ocampo we have to wait till 2017
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Post by b6k on Apr 8, 2011 0:50:58 GMT 3
MM, I think the folks at the ICC are smart enough to know that. The newspapers are, however, very good sources on who's saying what, when & where to the public. The judge's comment about the Kenyan papers was more of a shot across the bow of the O-6. A hint to let them know that the ICC is watching their little mind games & alliances. I hope we'll see the return of a more humbled WR & UK with subdued home-coming bashes & an end to graveside verbal tirades.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 0:57:41 GMT 3
Interestingly these summonses have only served to build the political profiles of Uhuru and Ruto kenyans do so love the under dog. The unfortunate aspect of these trials is that they will block political competition in terms of policy and ideology come 2012. These people have become "our persecuted heroes". Now, I detest the ICC trials i see it as neo colonialism, a local tribunal would have been better but regardless of the outcome I feel that they will impede healthy political competition in terms of ideas versus personalties. Thanks to the over zealous ocampo we have to wait till 2017 fahari,Kenya has a population of 40 million. If we leave out the kids we still have tens of millions of grown ups in Kenya. PNU has hundreds of potential presidential candidates and so does ODM and other parties that may emerge. Where is it written in the PNU katiba that only suspected warlords can run for the presidency and offer stiff competition to whoever else is running? Can you folks at least change that part of your constitution and allow even non suspected warlords to contest? What is wrong with that? As for waiting for 2017, don't hold your breath my friend, nobody knows how these cases will end, not even Ocampo and certainly not the suspects. Your wait time could be longer? How about 2042? How does that sound after all Ruto will be a young turk of what 76 years and Uhuru just about 80 years old. That is a young ripe age to take the presidency. Ask Kibaki. Hakuna haraka. pole pole bwana.
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Post by job on Apr 8, 2011 1:46:14 GMT 3
Interestingly these summonses have only served to build the political profiles of Uhuru and Ruto kenyans do so love the under dog. The unfortunate aspect of these trials is that they will block political competition in terms of policy and ideology come 2012. These people have become "our persecuted heroes". Now, I detest the ICC trials i see it as neo colonialism, a local tribunal would have been better but regardless of the outcome I feel that they will impede healthy political competition in terms of ideas versus personalties. Thanks to the over zealous ocampo we have to wait till 2017 Isn't it interesting deciphering various peoples' expectations and conclusions regarding the ICC court process. Someone can actually pen a paragraph of expectations and likely outcome of this court process without a SINGLE word on JUSTICE, single word on VICTIMS, and single word on possibility of recurred violence. In this school of thought, folks should actually be celebrating...a lot...because ICC is actually "building political profiles of Ruto and Uhuru" hitherto "underdogs". Why then should these homecoming celebrants blame ICC for "blocking political competition" come 2012. It should be a thanks party, not a blame party. Isn't the homecoming essentially the commencement of the grand march to State House by the now "high profiles" come 2012. These folks should therefore thank Ocampo and the ICC for making their dream come true, ama? This homecoming is the best thing since slice bread. I will be deciphering the speeches, and the newspapers that write reports from it, to see whether the warning by Presiding Judge Ekaterina Trendafilova of the wa nyina of all courts is trumped by the "high profiles" who want to join al Bashir, Gadhaffi, and Gbagbo as anti-ICC Presidents. Like Matiba's 1992 homecoming, this is gonna be a heck-uv-a homecoming. Trendafilova of the wa nyina joint thinks there should be at least one homecoming every six months. By September 1st when charges are confirmed or not, and when actual trials begin (or not), the momentum for these homecomings shall have reached crescendo, and the profile of muthamaki will by now be so high...in readiness to romp into State House. Ama? Here's the real deal: It's called Tomorrow will Come!As others play campaign politics and homecomings with PEV matters, here below is a real victim's perspective:
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Post by kurosiwo on Apr 8, 2011 4:28:07 GMT 3
I thought any form of communication be it digital, phone and newspaper can be addused as evidence in any legal case. The burden therefore, would only be to prove or produce the article referred to in connection with that particular case. I would take this judge very seriously as it has emerged that her court is actually keeping abreast with what is happening on the ground; presumably for application in consideration for the judgement of the O-6 cases.
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Post by job on Apr 8, 2011 4:37:20 GMT 3
Ocampo has already planned to gag them, more so Uhuru and Ruto. Poor boys. no more hate speeches at funnerals and prayer meetings. That homecoming rally on sundays is as dead as a dodo! No more noise-making all over the place. That is the beauty of ICC. The ICC house belongs to nobody's mother!www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032740&cid=4&ttl=Uhuru arrives at The Hague, to meet tougher conditions from Ocampo ...that is what Ocampo wanted, but the ruling of the judges was a lot more clear and far from the desires of Ocampo. Kamale,You got it wrong. The Judges are yet to make a ruling on Ocampo's application for a gag-order. What is a pointing teller is that even before considering the application, the Judges on their own volition, (through perusing Kenya's press) have found that these suspects are making "dangerous speeches" likely to count as inducement - a breach of the conditions of the summonses. She declared she won't hesitate to issue arrest warrants....meanwhile let's wait for their formal order on Ocampo's application. In the meantime, I seriously hope and wish these fellas go ahead with their homecoming rallies.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2011 4:45:46 GMT 3
Interestingly these summonses have only served to build the political profiles of Uhuru and Ruto kenyans do so love the under dog. The unfortunate aspect of these trials is that they will block political competition in terms of policy and ideology come 2012. These people have become "our persecuted heroes". Now, I detest the ICC trials i see it as neo colonialism, a local tribunal would have been better but regardless of the outcome I feel that they will impede healthy political competition in terms of ideas versus personalties. Thanks to the over zealous ocampo we have to wait till 2017 Isn't it interesting deciphering various peoples' expectations and conclusions regarding the ICC court process. Someone can actually pen a paragraph of expectations and likely outcome of this court process without a SINGLE word on JUSTICE, single word on VICTIMS, and single word on possibility of recurred violence. In this school of thought, folks should actually be celebrating...a lot...because ICC is actually "building political profiles of Ruto and Uhuru" hitherto "underdogs". Why then should these homecoming celebrants blame ICC for "blocking political competition" come 2012. It should be a thanks party, not a blame party. Isn't the homecoming essentially the commencement of the grand march to State House by the now "high profiles" come 2012. These folks should therefore thank Ocampo and the ICC for making their dream come true, ama? This homecoming is the best thing since slice bread. I will be deciphering the speeches, and the newspapers that write reports from it, to see whether the warning by Presiding Judge Ekaterina Trendafilova of the wa nyina of all courts is trumped by the "high profiles" who want to join al Bashir, Gadhaffi, and Gbagbo as anti-ICC Presidents. Like Matiba's 1992 homecoming, this is gonna be a heck-uv-a homecoming. Trendafilova of the wa nyina joint thinks there should be at least one homecoming every six months. By September 1st when charges are confirmed or not, and when actual trials begin (or not), the momentum for these homecomings shall have reached crescendo, and the profile of muthamaki will by now be so high...in readiness to romp into State House. Ama? Here's the real deal: It's called Tomorrow will Come!As others play campaign politics and homecomings with PEV matters, here below is a real victim's perspective: Job Thanks for posting the Video .. very deep.. glad that Kenyans are not blindfolded by the masters of disguise and political mischief! most Kenyans are relieved that the Ocampo 6 case is at the Hague but Kenyans still want the Local Tribunal for others like the police force, army, mungiki gangs, rift valley gangs e.t.c that murdered, burned, raped thousands of innocent Kenyan..
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 9:00:43 GMT 3
What is evident is that Raila thrashing will not end , in fact it will intensify . The judges know that any warrant of arrest will even complicate the situation in Kenya and might even lead to severe clashes than witnessed in 2007. (Simple if they have evidence the Ocampo 6 are hate speeching , why not arrest them immediately ? )
So ODM-Raila braze yourselves for more Raila bashing starting from this sunday.
This will be the line of attack if Ruto can tell the judge straight in his face - This is a movie . what will prevent him telling his supporters this is a movie ocherstrated by Raila .
Check his interview right after the appearing in the court.
And thankyou ODM-Raila supporters for continuing acting the Ostrich .
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Post by commes on Apr 8, 2011 11:10:48 GMT 3
What is evident is that Raila thrashing will not end , in fact it will intensify . The judges know that any warrant of arrest will even complicate the situation in Kenya and might even lead to severe clashes than witnessed in 2007. (Simple if they have evidence the Ocampo 6 are hate speeching , why not arrest them immediately ? ) So ODM-Raila braze yourselves for more Raila bashing starting from this sunday. This will be the line of attack if Ruto can tell the judge straight in his face - This is a movie . what will prevent him telling his supporters this is a movie ocherstrated by Raila . Check his interview right after the appearing in the court. And thankyou ODM-Raila supporters for continuing acting the Ostrich . I think that this Raila thrashing is what propells the man. It brought the man to the limelight. An enigma! This bashing is not new and is not even worse now. It has existed for decades. His political opponents have all ganged up to bring him down lakini wapi. Some are left licking and nursing their wounds. More recently some loud mouths are sweating it out with Ocampo ;D. It all began in began in 1982, when Raila was alleged to have been one of the masterminds of the failed coup attempt and was charged with treason. It is interesting to note that prior to the failed coup, Raila was not in the military as one might expect, but a technocrat working at the Kenya Bureau of Standards. He was incarcerated in remand home for seven months before being formally detained without trial. He was released on February 6th 1988, six years after his arrest. His release however was very short-lived and in September of the same year, just seven months after he was released, he was arrested again. This time his arrest was for advocating the need for pluralism in Kenya's politics. Raila was released on June 12th 1989. His third incarceration came on July 5th 1990, at the height of struggle for Multi-party politics. His three incarcerations which he endured portrayed him as some sort of superman because most other political detainees have come out either pacified or too sick to pursue active politics. Even after the constant negative press that Raila got, his popularity with the youth and a large section of Kenyans grew. His political career has been frustrated by his opponents at every turn, and this thrashing is like throw fish in water. I do not understand what motivates it but I know that it seems to work for the man. The man has been through all sorts of stereotype bashing, discrimination to the current unequal access to power. His thrashing takes place in exchanges between individuals, it has also been created and perpetuated by sections of governments agencies such as the NSIS, the media owned by we know who, and think tanks set up for that purpose. Here is a survivor, and his supporters have become emotionally and psychologically hardened. In 1961, John F. Kennedy, posed this question in his famous speech, ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. Ask not what the world will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htmMany years on, some sane Kenyan women and men do not condemn utterances of unbecoming behavior by politicians. Some sane men and women have become unbecoming . So bring on the ill chosen epithets of ridicule and contempt, it is our way of life.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 17:13:56 GMT 3
Is it just me or has anyone noticed it?
Until Raila bashing became favourable and a crowd puller, ODM-R supporters were all over telling us how the ICC will get the the 0-6 (You just have to love jukwaa for coining names such as ODM-R and O-6!) and none seemed to remember there were victims.
Today everyone on the ODM-R supporting brigade is constantly reminding us about the victims which I guess is because the PM spoke about it to divert us all from the ICC and the defendants!
Like a flag in the wind, that is how you will find these supporters of ODM-R and their leader.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 17:35:54 GMT 3
Is it just me or has anyone noticed it? Until Raila bashing became favourable and a crowd puller, ODM-R supporters were all over telling us how the ICC will get the the 0-6 (You just have to love jukwaa for coining names such as ODM-R and O-6!) and none seemed to remember there were victims. Today everyone on the ODM-R supporting brigade is constantly reminding us about the victims which I guess is because the PM spoke about it to divert us all from the ICC and the defendants! Like a flag in the wind, that is how you will find these supporters of ODM-R and their leader. Kamale,You are behind th news. The Raila bashing that some of you were jumping about just about got your boys locked up. That stupidity of theirs has placed some very restrictive conditions on them. Is is too bad that if people like Uhuru cannot incite tribal intolerance guised under Raila bashing they pretty much have nothing to talk about. They hold rallies to talk about Raila and Ocampo and how this tribe should unite with that tribe against I don't know which tribe. That backward politics that gets you folks so excited has to face the reality that in 2007/8 it was not just words. It was swords, pangas and bullets. Like I told you many times when Uhuru keeps telling Luos that he would burn their children again if necessary and then tells people he has no problem with Luos, but only Raila he is not fooling anybody. You cannot claim that you burned children to protect your people. People have to realize that ethnic violence is no longer a hypothetical fear. It is real and has been real for a long time but 2007 brought it home big time. It is unfortunate that PNU has no agenda besides Raila and it seems folks like Kamale think that is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is a shame for Kamale to say people forgot about the victims and have been busy talking about Ocampo six. Speak for yourselves. Some of us do not worship warlords. Just so you know there is a vigil in Nairobi today and tomorrow organised by the civil society groups to express solidarity with victims many of whom will be at the vigil. The group has also been contacting victims over the last month and many of those victims are livid that a bunch os suspects have turned themselves into victims. So while some of you are chasing Uhuru in Kiambu, people are doing a lot of work with victims. As we speak there are many observers at The Hague representing victims. As things unfold and with Uhuru being forced to wash his mouth before going to any rallies, the political narrative gets very complicated. So far Kenyans are thrilled with what they saw at The Hague. many people have commended the professionalism, the decorum and fairness with which the matter has been handled. Kenyans are massively impressed. It is going to be very hard selling the lies about ICC the kangaroo court controlled by Raila and Obama working to clear the way for Raila. So there goes half your agenda in smokes. And by the way more Kenyans watched the ICC trials than those who watched the world cup. Secondly as the evidence emerges starting next week when there will be a conference on disclosure Kenyans are going to see for themselves what the evidence and the crimes your lords of impunity have been charged with. Kenyans will see how all that has zero to do with Raila. Then what are you guys going to do? That is what you should start thinking about. The forces of drakness are going to have a lot of light shining on them. Now that is not a very good thing, is it? adongo
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 17:59:10 GMT 3
Kamale,Is is too bad that if people like Uhuru cannot incite tribal intolerance guised under Raila bashing they pretty much have nothing to talk about. They hold rallies to talk about Raila and Ocampo and how this tribe should unite with that tribe against I don't know which tribe. That backward politics that gets you folks so excited has to face the reality that in 2007/8 it was not just words. It was swords, pangas and bullets. Like I told you many times when Uhuru keeps telling Luos that he would burn their children again if necessary and then tells people he has no problem with Luos, but only Raila he is not fooling anybody. You cannot claim that you burned children to protect your people. People have to realize that ethnic violence is no longer a hypothetical fear. It is real and has been real for a long time but 2007 brought it home big time. It is unfortunate that PNU has no agenda besides Raila and it seems folks like Kamale think that is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is a shame for Kamale to say people forgot about the victims and have been busy talking about Ocampo six. Speak for yourselves. Some of us do not worship warlords. Just so you know there is a vigil in Nairobi today and tomorrow organised by the civil society groups to express solidarity with victims many of whom will be at the vigil. The group has also been contacting victims over the last month and many of those victims are livid that a bunch os suspects have turned themselves into victims. So while some of you are chasing Uhuru in Kiambu, people are doing a lot of work with victims. As we speak there are many observers at The Hague representing victims. As things unfold and with Uhuru being forced to wash his mouth before going to any rallies, the political narrative gets very complicated. So far Kenyans are thrilled with what they saw at The Hague. many people have commended the professionalism, the decorum and fairness with which the matter has been handled. Kenyans are massively impressed. It is going to be very hard selling the lies about ICC the kangaroo court controlled by Raila and Obama working to clear the way for Raila. So there goes half your agenda in smokes. And by the way more Kenyans watched the ICC trials than those who watched the world cup. Secondly as the evidence emerges starting next week when there will be a conference on disclosure Kenyans are going to see for themselves what the evidence and the crimes your lords of impunity have been charged with. Kenyans will see how all that has zero to do with Raila. Then what are you guys going to do? That is what you should start thinking about. The forces of drakness are going to have a lot of light shining on them. Now that is not a very good thing, is it? adongo Adongo I have no issues making all sorts of statements that defend your position, but please do not LIE to make your point. Can you actually post a Clip or a Newspaper Article that has Uhuru saying that Like I told you many times when Uhuru keeps telling Luos that he would burn their children again if necessary....All I can confirm is that Uhuru has repeatedly said that he has a problem with Mr. Raila Amollo Odinga and not the Luo people. The issue is that most of you cannot seem to see the difference and it helps explain that if I say anything positive about Uhuru it is for no other reason but that he is a kikuyu like me! Thank you for the information about a vigil for the victims. Why now, why not in January - for all I know they were still victims who needed vigils and prayers. ODM-R and its supporters in the civil society cannot pretend to pray for the victims just because they were beaten to it by the prayers for the suspects? That is the sanctimonious BS I am talking about! Whether Raila is the informant on the suspects or not is water under the bridge and it will be upon him and his supporters to ensure that when the evidence is out and it does not link him as the snitch, he runs around the whole country telling us so!
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Post by job on Apr 8, 2011 18:00:49 GMT 3
Is it just me or has anyone noticed it? Until Raila bashing became favourable and a crowd puller, ODM-R supporters were all over telling us how the ICC will get the the 0-6 (You just have to love jukwaa for coining names such as ODM-R and O-6!) and none seemed to remember there were victims. Today everyone on the ODM-R supporting brigade is constantly reminding us about the victims which I guess is because the PM spoke about it to divert us all from the ICC and the defendants! Like a flag in the wind, that is how you will find these supporters of ODM-R and their leader. Are you under any impression that the 'friendly-welcome' at the Hague, and fair disposition by the Judges means the O-6 are off the hook? That would be really great! I love the overwhelming embrace and accolades being accorded to the ICC by Kenyans of all creed, including the PNU crew that traveled to the Hague. What a fantastic turn of events....thus polls in support of ICC are only likely to grow...and Kibaki's efforts in deferral (going on today @ 3 PM at the UN Security Council ) dumpens further. ICC has proved it is fair.....therefore have no complaints when they reject Kibaki's admissibility challenge and confirm charges for the accused? Ama? On another matter, at no given time have regular posters at JUKWAA ignored the plight of victims of PEV. As a matter of fact, for the last several months here at JUKWAA, there have been strong complaints against media bias in covering the PEV narrative - ignoring victims while portraying masterminds as the actual victims. A couple of threads have been initiated specifically decrying that bias against victims. Kwa hivyo toa the blatant lie that JUKWAA has been silent about victims.
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Post by Mobimba on Apr 8, 2011 18:13:48 GMT 3
With the realization that the ICC is not their mother's house, the 0campo 6/ KKk/ PNU alliance has pulled a hasty retreat. SUDDENLY, the ICC is a fair, professional and respectful court. It is no longer Raila's court or an extension of his bedroom.
Ruto's attempt at arrogance and juvenile bravado backfired. Rather than be deemed as a toughie, he mostly portrayed himself as an indefensible reckless and foolish mountain man. Expect his belligerence to cease.
In all, their surrender is good for Kenya. No more hate rallies. Even the chairman of the Central Kenya MPs Assoc. is genuinely calling for reconciliation. He must be commended.
The Monday 06 prayer meeting, if not cancelled altogether, may well be the very last kick of the union of hate. If it actually transpires, it's will likely be a 'true' prayer meeting… yaani with frenzied folks speaking in tongues and proclaiming scripture. The nonsense of everybody must toe Uhuru's line is history. The hostility about the ICC is over.
Hereon, expect the suspects to fully concentrate on their cases. A win for Kenya.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 8, 2011 18:25:07 GMT 3
duale says these are prayer meetings alright but they are politicians and theirs is to talk siasa. wonder how they will conduct themselves now that they seem to agree with most kenyans that that the ICC is fair and isn't controlled by raila like they have been screaming in rallies.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 18:34:35 GMT 3
duale says these are prayer meetings alright but they are politicians and theirs is to talk siasa. wonder how they will conduct themselves now that they seem to agree with most kenyans that that the ICC is fair and isn't controlled by raila like they have been screaming in rallies. Akinyi If Duale says anything about the ICC or anti-Raila which apparently is what is deemed as hate speech likely to inflame the country and Uhuru or Ruto do not say it but are present, does it change the fact the message was delivered and still the two did not breach the warning of the court?
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 18:44:10 GMT 3
duale says these are prayer meetings alright but they are politicians and theirs is to talk siasa. wonder how they will conduct themselves now that they seem to agree with most kenyans that that the ICC is fair and isn't controlled by raila like they have been screaming in rallies. They may be prayer meetings but these are prayers for the king, the new god with clay foot who has just been charged with mass murder and rape. Some king. But the frothing in the mouth about Raila manipulating the ICC and the tribal incitement has been dealt a death blow by the court. May be now they will the warlords will remember that people still have to eat, farmers are battling out there with the planting season in some areas. I have already hit the ground with my endless tree business in bondo. Some stupid termites invaded a section of my smaller trees and knocked down about 100. I am pissed beyond belief and I am nuking them this weekend. Wananchi have real problems to deal with like soaring prices of farm inputs. Something can be done about that. There has been all sorts of promises which need big money like the 1 billion Kshs resettlement plan for the Mau evictees. Kazi Kwa Kijana which Uhuru and Ruto has been mouthing off about eti Raila is happy to put youth clearing bushes and doing useless jobs while big jobs like the CJ etc Raila wants foreigners. Ironically the same big mouths yelling about foreign experts were the ones picking QC's from London to help them. Uhuru and Ruto actually think all Kenyan youth will get jobs as CJs or AGs. What kind of lunacy is this. Things need to be done and the minister of finance is stuck preaching tribal nonsense 24/7 and now hopping between the Hague and Nairobi. But then again, there is always Raila to talk about. Who wants to waste time with complicated things like youth employment, resettlement of IDPs (all of them), helping farmers etc. Those are none issues when you have Raila and Ocampo to talk about amid desperate prayers.
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Post by tnk on Apr 8, 2011 18:48:16 GMT 3
All I can confirm is that Uhuru has repeatedly said that he has a problem with Mr. Raila Amollo Odinga and not the Luo people. The issue is that most of you cannot seem to see the difference the reality bw. kamale is that hate speech and its subsequent fall out initially kicks off targeting an individual person or entity. but when stuff hits the fan, it snowballs into an uncontrollable mess. look at our own PEV, its kibaki that stole the election, its kivuitu that messed up (whether you agree with this or not is irrelevant), the point is that when the chips went down, that person that took the machete did not go to look for kibaki or kivuitu. these persons were inaccessible and under round the clock security provided by kenya's finest. so they went for second best - their neighbour, the person they could reach who closely represented their object of hate. the so called retaliatory attacks, those guys didn't go to eldoret or kisumu or wherever, they looked next door in naivasha - never mind the fact as we are told recently that the guy they set on fire was actually a PNU agent so if you and uhuru think that saying you have a problem with raila and you are telling masses that have no access to raila, that you are not against the community then you are unbelievably ill-informed first off - hate speech is considered that when it targets the individual. if uhuru was a real leader he would isolate and articulate the policies and actions of the individual and not the individual. e.g on this board kibaki's and other PNU hirelings actions are criticized but if kibaki steps down from office, more than likely no one will pay anymore attention to the man, in contrast however, uhuru and his twin ruto are saying hate the man, hate the man, hate the man big difference dude, big difference. these are not leaders further, from uhuru's interview with julie, he claims that he has kept quiet since 2002. dude this is almost 2012, harboring a grudge for that long implies a most vindictive trait and suggests that once he has the keys to absolute power, will unleash possible revenge attacks - the history is there don't blame the player, blame the game
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Post by tnk on Apr 8, 2011 18:54:11 GMT 3
duale says these are prayer meetings alright but they are politicians and theirs is to talk siasa. wonder how they will conduct themselves now that they seem to agree with most kenyans that that the ICC is fair and isn't controlled by raila like they have been screaming in rallies. Akinyi If Duale says anything about the ICC or anti-Raila which apparently is what is deemed as hate speech likely to inflame the country and Uhuru or Ruto do not say it but are present, does it change the fact the message was delivered and still the two did not breach the warning of the court? totally depends on whether duale wants to help or drown his already drowning buddies let him go ahead and do it. the records will show who among the ocampo 6 was present or contributed to the rally duale will go scott free - let the ocampo 6 gamble with their freedom as they so choose fit - aka russian roulette
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 18:59:13 GMT 3
All I can confirm is that Uhuru has repeatedly said that he has a problem with Mr. Raila Amollo Odinga and not the Luo people. The issue is that most of you cannot seem to see the difference the reality bw. kamale is that hate speech and its subsequent fall out initially kicks off targeting an individual person or entity. but when stuff hits the fan, it snowballs into an uncontrollable mess. look at our own PEV, its kibaki that stole the election, its kivuitu that messed up (whether you agree with this or not is irrelevant), the point is that when the chips went down, that person that took the machete did not go to look for kibaki or kivuitu. these persons were inaccessible and under round the clock security provided by kenya's finest. so they went for second best - their neighbour, the person they could reach who closely represented their object of hate. the so called retaliatory attacks, those guys didn't go to eldoret or kisumu or wherever, they looked next door in naivasha - never mind the fact as we are told recently that the guy they set on fire was actually a PNU agent so if you and uhuru think that saying you have a problem with raila and you are telling masses that have no access to raila, that you are not against the community then you are unbelievably ill-informed first off - hate speech is considered that when it targets the individual. if uhuru was a real leader he would isolate and articulate the policies and actions of the individual and not the individual. e.g on this board kibaki's and other PNU hirelings actions are criticized but if kibaki steps down from office, more than likely no one will pay anymore attention to the man, in contrast however, uhuru and his twin ruto are saying hate the man, hate the man, hate the man big difference dude, big difference. these are not leaders further, from uhuru's interview with julie, he claims that he has kept quiet since 2002. dude this is almost 2012, harboring a grudge for that long implies a most vindictive trait and suggests that once he has the keys to absolute power, will unleash possible revenge attacks - the history is there don't blame the player, blame the game tnk,Uhuru has problems with Luos. He has been accused of killing them in Naivasha and getting whole families burned to ashes. If that is not a problem with a community I don't know what is. This is a real and present reality. Luos were killed on orders from Uhuru. That is an issue he has never attempted to deal with. Instead he boasts that he was protecting his people and the other day in Gatundu he promised he would do it again. Hiding behind this nonsense that I only hate Raila and having people like Kamale yapping about how hating Raila does not mean hating Luos is just rubbish. If his problem is only with Raila then why did he not send his Mungiki mob to go burn him and his family and leave the other folks alone. When you have been charged with committing terrible crimes against a community, try to be humble and sensitive towards that community. The Luos need nothing from Uhuru but at least he can leave them alone from his speeches and stop threatening them directly or indirectly. adongo
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 19:09:39 GMT 3
May be now they will the warlords will remember that people still have to eat, farmers are battling out there with the planting season in some areas. I have already hit the ground with my endless tree business in bondo. Some stupid termites invaded a section of my smaller trees and knocked down about 100. I am pissed beyond belief and I am nuking them this weekend. Wananchi have real problems to deal with like soaring prices of farm inputs. Something can be done about that. There has been all sorts of promises which need big money like the 1 billion Kshs resettlement plan for the Mau evictees. Kazi Kwa Kijana which Uhuru and Ruto has been mouthing off about eti Raila is happy to put youth clearing bushes and doing useless jobs while big jobs like the CJ etc Raila wants foreigners. Adongo Again you seem to know what the problem is with the country and would like these loud mouths to address these rather than just go for the PM. Did you notice that when your friend Raila stood up to address the nation, he said ZILCH about these problems and was much happier comparing his love for foreigners with that of Uhuru who has foreign lawyers? ....what was that about the log in your eye?
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 8, 2011 23:26:33 GMT 3
given that nothing constructive is ever discussed at these rallies other than HATING raila, ocampo, icc or imaginary enemies, can't wait to see what other agenda is on the uhuruto menu when they return to pick up from where they left.
In the meantime the loyalists are going ahead with their plans and with statements such as these it's rather obvious that these guys still don't get it. haiya that's their own shauri.
......“We are travelling with over 85 Kenyans, including 45 MPs, businessmen and other politicians to The Hague,” he said. “We will all have Kenyan flags and show the world that we are united as a county and show our patriotism and that the people of Kenya are in solidarity with the suspects.”
Mr Mwathi’s sentiments were shared by Kaloleni MP Kazungu Kambi, a new convert into the ‘political alliance,’ who said that the ICC process was both political and legal.
“When we return, you will be sure that the whole world will know who runs this country,” said Mr Kambi..........
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