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Post by commes on Apr 3, 2011 12:48:08 GMT 3
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Post by commes on Apr 3, 2011 12:49:55 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 3, 2011 13:15:21 GMT 3
NAIROBI, Kenya Apr 2- The Hague bound suspect radio presenter Joshua arap Sang was on Saturday admitted to Hospital after he suffered a broken arm resulting from a freak accident as he left a prayer rally in Bomet. Mr Sang fell down from the top of a car after an enthusiastic fan embraced him. He was discharged from Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital in Eldoret on Sunday morning after suffering a cracked elbow. Sources close to him say he will still travel to The Hague to answer to summons issued by the International Criminal Court. “He has a plaster on his arm. He is doing well now and he will surely travel to The Hague,” the source said. Mr Sang is accused of being responsible for the 2008 post election violence alongside Eldoret North MP William Ruto and Tinderet Member of Parliament Henry Kosgey who also served as the Industrialization Minister. Others summoned to The Hague are Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Head of the Civil Service Francis Muthaura and former Police Commissioner Hussein Ali. The ICC summoned suspended Higher Education Minister William Ruto, ODM Chairman Henry Kosgey and radio presenter Joshua arap Sang on charges of murder, deportation, persecutions and torture, carried out on behalf of the former opposition. Earlier last month, Mr Sang wrote to the ICC asking for assistance in meeting his travel, accommodation and legal expenses as he attends summons at The Hague based court on April 7. Mr Sang who is among six suspects facing indictment by the International Criminal Court said he could afford an air ticket to travel to the Netherlands, and wanted the court to meet his expenses. "I cannot afford the amount of money required to travel to The Hague. I am told a return ticket is about Sh120, 000 per person... that is a lot of money for me at the moment," he said in an interview with Capital News last month at the Kass FM offices. "I just paid my school fees at the university because I have examinations in April. It is not possible for me to raise air ticket and accommodation (monies) that is why I am asking the ICC to help me," he said and disclosed that he had already written to the international court asking for the financial assistance." Read more: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Sang-fractures-arm-in-accident-12286.html#ixzz1ISBpFWVQUnder Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives |
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Post by commes on Apr 3, 2011 13:20:34 GMT 3
NAIROBI, Kenya Apr 2- The Hague bound suspect radio presenter Joshua arap Sang was on Saturday admitted to Hospital after he suffered a broken arm resulting from a freak accident as he left a prayer rally in Bomet. Mr Sang fell down from the top of a car after an enthusiastic fan embraced him. He was discharged from Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital in Eldoret on Sunday morning after suffering a cracked elbow. Sources close to him say he will still travel to The Hague to answer to summons issued by the International Criminal Court. “He has a plaster on his arm. He is doing well now and he will surely travel to The Hague,” the source said. Mr Sang is accused of being responsible for the 2008 post election violence alongside Eldoret North MP William Ruto and Tinderet Member of Parliament Henry Kosgey who also served as the Industrialization Minister. Others summoned to The Hague are Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Head of the Civil Service Francis Muthaura and former Police Commissioner Hussein Ali. The ICC summoned suspended Higher Education Minister William Ruto, ODM Chairman Henry Kosgey and radio presenter Joshua arap Sang on charges of murder, deportation, persecutions and torture, carried out on behalf of the former opposition. Earlier last month, Mr Sang wrote to the ICC asking for assistance in meeting his travel, accommodation and legal expenses as he attends summons at The Hague based court on April 7. Mr Sang who is among six suspects facing indictment by the International Criminal Court said he could afford an air ticket to travel to the Netherlands, and wanted the court to meet his expenses. "I cannot afford the amount of money required to travel to The Hague. I am told a return ticket is about Sh120, 000 per person... that is a lot of money for me at the moment," he said in an interview with Capital News last month at the Kass FM offices. "I just paid my school fees at the university because I have examinations in April. It is not possible for me to raise air ticket and accommodation (monies) that is why I am asking the ICC to help me," he said and disclosed that he had already written to the international court asking for the financial assistance." Read more: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Sang-fractures-arm-in-accident-12286.html#ixzz1ISBpFWVQUnder Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives “ Broken “ an arm? I hear that it is a scratch of sorts. Could this be another stunt to seek sympathy from the ICC Judges? |
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Post by commes on Apr 3, 2011 14:12:07 GMT 3
Radio4Development: September 2010ICC must have done a thorough research on these chaps. I was reading the link provided by tnk where Sang’s appeal to give evidence in Kalenjin was shot down. www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050077.pdfwww.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050076.pdfWhat I found interesting is that the ICC quoted from Kenya’s constitution and the criminal procedure code, before delving into Kenya’s education system and Sang’s educational CV including his current one at the University 16. Under Article 7 of the Constitution of Kenya: (1) The national language of the Republic is Kiswahili. (2) The official languages of the Republic are Kiswahili and English, [...] 17. Under Section 198 of the Criminal Procedure Code: …….(4) The Language of the High Court shall be English, and the language of subordinate Court shall be English or Swahili. This goes to demonstrate that whatever the ICC judges have accepted and rejected must be backed by solid evidence. I am more worried for the O-6 on what has been passed and accepted by the judges to proceed. More from this link by nowayhaha jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5235#ixzz1ISNSdbig
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Post by okolowaka on Apr 3, 2011 19:04:58 GMT 3
Does anyone remember "elder" Paul Kamlesh Pattni, attending the Goldenberg hearings in full pajama suit, looking frail, fainting at times and with a nurse with a "drip" on stand-by... ;D ;D ;D
...Yah, yah, yah... the dog ate my homework, my gran ma died, I forgot to bring my homework to school, I got malaria over the weekend, the lights were disconnected, I broke my writing arm, I do not speak English, I got on the wrong plane, etc...
We've heard it all Sir, do you know and understand the charges against you...? You do not have to say anything at the moment anyway, save the "broken" arm/dog ate my homework theory for the day when proceedings begin, maybe the German judge will sympathize then...
Vioja Mahakamani imeanza, watu wa "power" wasizimishe stima sasa...
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Post by sang2000 on Apr 3, 2011 23:36:38 GMT 3
Commes and Okolowako,
I fail to see how Joshua Sang could have engineered his own injury as a"stunt to seek sympathy from the ICC Judges". The report explains how this happened. And in any case, in the videos that you have posted, he has unequivocally stated that he is ready to go and defend himself and clear his name. Clearly, you seem to derive great enjoyment and satisfaction from the misery of others. But keep in mind that the guy - and for that matter, the rest of the Ocampo 6 - are innocent until the court says otherwise. So I would advise you to hold off your celebrations for now.
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Post by tnk on Apr 4, 2011 2:36:41 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032545&cid=4&ttl=ICC%20turns%20down%20Sang's%20financial%20plea this association with ruto, the public rallies, fund raiser, etc are negatively impacting sang with respect to the ICC process. sang and kosgey are seen by many as unfortunate entities caught up in the wide net. kosgei and ali have had the presence of mind to avoid much of this public mess, but sang is unfortunately ill-advised to tag along ruto and uhuru and is therefore generating unnecessary interest in his profile damaging his defense strategy as an innocent messenger. sang needs re-evaluate his approach, am sure this will become evident as the events progress
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 6:31:20 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000032545&cid=4&ttl=ICC%20turns%20down%20Sang's%20financial%20plea this association with ruto, the public rallies, fund raiser, etc are negatively impacting sang with respect to the ICC process. sang and kosgey are seen by many as unfortunate entities caught up in the wide net. kosgei and ali have had the presence of mind to avoid much of this public mess, but sang is unfortunately ill-advised to tag along ruto and uhuru and is therefore generating unnecessary interest in his profile damaging his defense strategy as an innocent messenger. sang needs re-evaluate his approach, am sure this will become evident as the events progress Ya. The response Sang got from the ICC regarding his request for financial support told it all. The ICC's response is the same as the information we got from Sang and the media about harambees right down to how much money was raised. Sang is also saying that ODM ruined his chances of getting financial support with their offer of lawyers. He has been on record saying that he will not accept this offer as in the interview with Jeff Koinange. On another note, why does Jeff Koinange talk so strangely? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 6:52:35 GMT 3
Commes and Okolowako, I fail to see how Joshua Sang could have engineered his own injury as a"stunt to seek sympathy from the ICC Judges". The report explains how this happened. And in any case, in the videos that you have posted, he has unequivocally stated that he is ready to go and defend himself and clear his name. Clearly, you seem to derive great enjoyment and satisfaction from the misery of others. But keep in mind that the guy - and for that matter, the rest of the Ocampo 6 - are innocent until the court says otherwise. So I would advise you to hold off your celebrations for now. That's true |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 4, 2011 8:12:36 GMT 3
Radio4Development: September 2010ICC must have done a thorough research on these chaps. I was reading the link provided by tnk where Sang’s appeal to give evidence in Kalenjin was shot down. www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050077.pdfwww.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050076.pdfWhat I found interesting is that the ICC quoted from Kenya’s constitution and the criminal procedure code, before delving into Kenya’s education system and Sang’s educational CV including his current one at the University 16. Under Article 7 of the Constitution of Kenya: (1) The national language of the Republic is Kiswahili. (2) The official languages of the Republic are Kiswahili and English, [...] 17. Under Section 198 of the Criminal Procedure Code: …….(4) The Language of the High Court shall be English, and the language of subordinate Court shall be English or Swahili. This goes to demonstrate that whatever the ICC judges have accepted and rejected must be backed by solid evidence. I am more worried for the O-6 on what has been passed and accepted by the judges to proceed. More from this link by nowayhaha jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5235#ixzz1ISNSdbig The language of the court may be English or Swahili, but an accused muct be heard in a language they completely understand. Sang may be trying mischief in insisting on Kalenjin as medium of the court proceedings about him, but even the ICC cannot stop him from exercising this right and objections from the prosecutor may come to nothing if Sang insists he cannot comprehend the proceedings in english. Speaking it and comprehending are two different things! |
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Post by commes on Apr 4, 2011 9:36:41 GMT 3
Radio4Development: September 2010ICC must have done a thorough research on these chaps. I was reading the link provided by tnk where Sang’s appeal to give evidence in Kalenjin was shot down. www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050077.pdfwww.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050076.pdfWhat I found interesting is that the ICC quoted from Kenya’s constitution and the criminal procedure code, before delving into Kenya’s education system and Sang’s educational CV including his current one at the University 16. Under Article 7 of the Constitution of Kenya: (1) The national language of the Republic is Kiswahili. (2) The official languages of the Republic are Kiswahili and English, [...] 17. Under Section 198 of the Criminal Procedure Code: …….(4) The Language of the High Court shall be English, and the language of subordinate Court shall be English or Swahili. This goes to demonstrate that whatever the ICC judges have accepted and rejected must be backed by solid evidence. I am more worried for the O-6 on what has been passed and accepted by the judges to proceed. More from this link by nowayhaha jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5235#ixzz1ISNSdbig The language of the court may be English or Swahili, but an accused muct be heard in a language they completely understand. Sang may be trying mischief in insisting on Kalenjin as medium of the court proceedings about him, but even the ICC cannot stop him from exercising this right and objections from the prosecutor may come to nothing if Sang insists he cannot comprehend the proceedings in english. Speaking it and comprehending are two different things! Kamale I wonder why Sang insists on Kalenjin as his preferred mode with the ICC. It is his right, as rightly stated. The court may just offer Sang both “interpretation” and “translation” www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050077.pdfwww.nation.co.ke/News/politics/ICC+urged+to+reject+Kalenjin+trial+plea+/-/1064/1138136/-/3xamkyz/-/index.html |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Apr 4, 2011 9:49:25 GMT 3
Radio4Development: September 2010ICC must have done a thorough research on these chaps. I was reading the link provided by tnk where Sang’s appeal to give evidence in Kalenjin was shot down. www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050077.pdfwww.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1050076.pdfWhat I found interesting is that the ICC quoted from Kenya’s constitution and the criminal procedure code, before delving into Kenya’s education system and Sang’s educational CV including his current one at the University 16. Under Article 7 of the Constitution of Kenya: (1) The national language of the Republic is Kiswahili. (2) The official languages of the Republic are Kiswahili and English, [...] 17. Under Section 198 of the Criminal Procedure Code: …….(4) The Language of the High Court shall be English, and the language of subordinate Court shall be English or Swahili. This goes to demonstrate that whatever the ICC judges have accepted and rejected must be backed by solid evidence. I am more worried for the O-6 on what has been passed and accepted by the judges to proceed. More from this link by nowayhaha jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5235#ixzz1ISNSdbig The language of the court may be English or Swahili, but an accused muct be heard in a language they completely understand. Sang may be trying mischief in insisting on Kalenjin as medium of the court proceedings about him, but even the ICC cannot stop him from exercising this right and objections from the prosecutor may come to nothing if Sang insists he cannot comprehend the proceedings in english. Speaking it and comprehending are two different things! Sang has a right to use other medium that he is well versed in. Forcing him otherwise would amount to procedural unfairness and hinder the laws of natural justice. He has expressed his lack of ability status in the language and denying him that right amounts to abuse of his rights to fully express himself and have a full representantion, we have seen the European warloads have their ways in the ICC proceedings in their own languages why not poor SANG in kale? ? |
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Post by destiny on Apr 4, 2011 10:23:31 GMT 3
This motor mouth is reported to have screamed in his radio show: VITA IMEANZA, MNANGOJA NINI?
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Post by okolowaka on Apr 4, 2011 14:47:48 GMT 3
Commes and Okolowako, I fail to see how Joshua Sang could have engineered his own injury as a"stunt to seek sympathy from the ICC Judges". The report explains how this happened. And in any case, in the videos that you have posted, he has unequivocally stated that he is ready to go and defend himself and clear his name. Clearly, you seem to derive great enjoyment and satisfaction from the misery of others. But keep in mind that the guy - and for that matter, the rest of the Ocampo 6 - are innocent until the court says otherwise. So I would advise you to hold off your celebrations for now. I celebrate...yes, I celebrate that someone is finally going to be held accountable for what they said or did. I celebrate this day because the wheels of justice are beginning to turn... If Sang is found to be innocent then I will continue to weep for justice, for someone walking free among us has not been held responsible and accountable for their words and deeds... If Sang will be found guilty as charged then I will celebrate even more for the families and friends of the more than 1,300 dead and thousands more who were maimed by panga, arrows, spears, rungus, guns, stones and sticks... I will celebrate for those whose daughters, wives, sisters, mothers, were raped and dehumanized... I will celebrate for those who were huddled in a church in Eldoret and a house in Naivasha for safety, only to be locked up and burned alive... I will celebrate for those who were uprooted from their homes and made refugees in their own motherland... I celebrate for Victor, an 18 year old neighbor who was mowed down by 8 bullets in Nyalenda, Kisumu... You know what, let me celebrate this day in Kenya's history for now, I am indeed excited... If they will be found innocent then I will go on mourning... because I know someone who is responsible for what happened is still walking free among us... |
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Post by sang2000 on Apr 4, 2011 21:16:27 GMT 3
Okolowaka,
Where I come from, we had people who had lived side-by-side for decades, and then, all of a sudden turn against each other. Our farm is 10,000 acres in size, nearly all occupied by Kalenjin farmers. Across the road is another farm occupied by Kikuyu farmers. Over the years, people sold and bought pieces of land in each other's "territory" to the extend that a good percentage of each community lived on the "other's" domain. Most Kikuyu kids on my side of the road speak perfect Kalenjin, and my nieces and nephews similarly speak the Kikuyu language fluently. But when mayhem started, houses were burnt on both sides, mainly by unknown thugs.
Today, life is back to normal and the communities are still in the process of reconciliation. Additionally, IDP's bought from other areas have been given pieces of plots on my side of the neighborhood, some of them literally sharing a fence with my compound.
In short, I fully understand the plight of IDP's perhaps even better than you do. But what I see from many commentators, including yourself, is the tendency to ride on the plight of IDP's to advance your own political agendas. The truth of the matter is that before Raila and Ruto fell out, the question of IDP's was solely placed on Kibaki's doorstep. Not a single ODM notable was deemed to have participated in any wrong doing.
People like Joshua Sang, whom by nature of their association to Ruto, have now been lumped together with Raila's political enemies.
Why why they innocent at the time, but not now?
I do not know for sure if Joshua Sang, or the Ocampo 6 for that matter, are guilty of the PEV mayhem. Neither do you. But the truth will come out once the court makes its judgement.
And that's why I ask that you hold off your celebrations until that day. Meanwhile, please spare us the crocodile tears.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 4, 2011 22:01:54 GMT 3
Okolowaka, Where I come from, we had people who had lived side-by-side for decades, and then, all of a sudden turn against each other. Our farm is 10,000 acres in size, nearly all occupied by Kalenjin farmers. Across the road is another farm occupied by Kikuyu farmers. Over the years, people sold and bought pieces of land in each other's "territory" to the extend that a good percentage of each community lived on the "other's" domain. Most Kikuyu kids on my side of the road speak perfect Kalenjin, and my nieces and nephews similarly speak the Kikuyu language fluently. But when mayhem started, houses were burnt on both sides, mainly by unknown thugs. Today, life is back to normal and the communities are still in the process of reconciliation. Additionally, IDP's bought from other areas have been given pieces of plots on my side of the neighborhood, some of them literally sharing a fence with my compound. In short, I fully understand the plight of IDP's perhaps even better than you do. But what I see from many commentators, including yourself, is the tendency to ride on the plight of IDP's to advance your own political agendas. The truth of the matter is that before Raila and Ruto fell out, the question of IDP's was solely placed on Kibaki's doorstep. Not a single ODM notable was deemed to have participated in any wrong doing. People like Joshua Sang, whom by nature of their association to Ruto, have now been lumped together with Raila's political enemies. Why why they innocent at the time, but not now? I do not know for sure if Joshua Sang, or the Ocampo 6 for that matter, are guilty of the PEV mayhem. Neither do you. But the truth will come out once the court makes its judgement. And that's why I ask that you hold off your celebrations until that day. Meanwhile, please spare us the crocodile tears.
Joshua Arap Sang used his RADIO station to rally thugs and murderers then he is guilty as charged in the eyes of Kenyans, the ICC is just a rubber stamp.. YES THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LOVED ONES AND HOMES CAN START CELEBRATING, AND SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE LOST NOBODY THEN YOU ARE THE ONE SHEDDING THE CROCODILE TEARS... THOSE WHO DID HAVE CRIED UNTIL THERE ARE NO TEARS TO SHED!! ! SANG MUST BE CHARGED, JAILED AND THE KEY THROWN AWAY FOR GOOD! .. surprise, surprise you claim you and your family understand kalejin and yet you were unable to translate Sang's Radio messages to his listeners!! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 4, 2011 22:18:23 GMT 3
sang2000
You make a good point about people living side by side for decades and when the violence erupted people were killing their own neighbours. That is the tragedy of it all. Also let's not forget that this has been going on forever. 1992 and 1997 were especially bad. It was always Moi's thugs just beating and killing anybody from the wrong tribes.
But things came head on in 2007 and like I have said so many times, there is nothing to be gained by trying to win that argument as to won or lost. The country lost its soul and a lot of its people.
What I find disturbing is that Ruto and Uhuru have now embarked on full time ethnic incitement as a line of defense for them. That is how we got in trouble to begin with. People know where these things end. It will generate another round of violence if justice is finally served.
So as Kenyans watch two people who really have never contributed anything to our country preaching hatred and inciting communities against each other some pretend that nothing bad is happening. Once the violence explodes again, that peace you are talking about in your neighbourhood will be disturbed again.
It is quite disturbing that just because six people have been asked to appear in one of the fairest courts in the world, we are being ordered to feel bad and cry for the suspects and those of us not crying for the suspects are seen to be celebrating.
I see preachers lined up praying for Uhuru and Ruto everyday. When dead bodies were lying sometimes for days in the bushes and streets, not a single preacher was on site even to send their souls to the other world. Some were left for the dogs. Now the same preachers are falling over each other to pray for the suspects. There is something inherently peverted about this ideology and thinking that demands empathy for suspects of mass murder in our country and pays lip service to victims and even the nation's sense of justice and human rights.
And No, the IDPs do not belong to any one community. All Kenyans from every part of society was harmed and brutalized by what happened. Our whole psyche as a nation was brutalized. All Kenyans with a human soul was grieved by the tragedy. Let no one group claim the monopoly of victims. They are Kenyans and their rights must concern us all.
I have no beef with Joshua Sang. Out of that mob he stands the highest chance to be acquitted even if it is established he used his radio gig to help the gangs, I still think a case can be made that he was working for others and therefore should not bear the highest responsibility.
Other than that I think Kenyans should guard their country against a handful of suspects. Compared to the fate of their alleged victims, they are having it very easy. There is no need to shed tears for these guys. They are demanding the nation's sympathy by force and with threats. Who do they think they are?
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Post by okolowaka on Apr 5, 2011 3:46:44 GMT 3
Sang,
Crocodile tears are what you are shedding for the Ocampo six, sympathizing with the six suspects of the most serious crimes committed in Kenya, attending the "prayer" meetings with them, defending them like they did nothing wrong, as if 1,300 people did not die, as if thousands more were not maimed physically and psychologically for life, as if hundreds of thousands were not displaced from their homes... Are you ready to kill, rape, burn, loot, shoot, for them again?
Did you shed a tear for the victims? Did you? I do not think so...
While coming here to defend the six suspects I urge you to spare a thought for the victims, maybe then you will see why I celebrate... I could help to jog your memory by posting a few "horror" photos of the crimes committed against the victims, but that will be for another day...
nb... Where I come from, when a rapist, thief, arsonist, murderer, criminal is arraigned in court, we stop to reflect on what they did, and express solidarity with their victims...
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Post by sang2000 on Apr 5, 2011 6:03:31 GMT 3
sang2000You make a good point about people living side by side for decades and when the violence erupted people were killing their own neighbours. That is the tragedy of it all. Also let's not forget that this has been going on forever. 1992 and 1997 were especially bad. It was always Moi's thugs just beating and killing anybody from the wrong tribes. But things came head on in 2007 and like I have said so many times, there is nothing to be gained by trying to win that argument as to won or lost. The country lost its soul and a lot of its people. What I find disturbing is that Ruto and Uhuru have now embarked on full time ethnic incitement as a line of defense for them. That is how we got in trouble to begin with. People know where these things end. It will generate another round of violence if justice is finally served. So as Kenyans watch two people who really have never contributed anything to our country preaching hatred and inciting communities against each other some pretend that nothing bad is happening. Once the violence explodes again, that peace you are talking about in your neighbourhood will be disturbed again. It is quite disturbing that just because six people have been asked to appear in one of the fairest courts in the world, we are being ordered to feel bad and cry for the suspects and those of us not crying for the suspects are seen to be celebrating. I see preachers lined up praying for Uhuru and Ruto everyday. When dead bodies were lying sometimes for days in the bushes and streets, not a single preacher was on site even to send their souls to the other world. Some were left for the dogs. Now the same preachers are falling over each other to pray for the suspects. There is something inherently peverted about this ideology and thinking that demands empathy for suspects of mass murder in our country and pays lip service to victims and even the nation's sense of justice and human rights. And No, the IDPs do not belong to any one community. All Kenyans from every part of society was harmed and brutalized by what happened. Our whole psyche as a nation was brutalized. All Kenyans with a human soul was grieved by the tragedy. Let no one group claim the monopoly of victims. They are Kenyans and their rights must concern us all. I have no beef with Joshua Sang. Out of that mob he stands the highest chance to be acquitted even if it is established he used his radio gig to help the gangs, I still think a case can be made that he was working for others and therefore should not bear the highest responsibility. Other than that I think Kenyans should guard their country against a handful of suspects. Compared to the fate of their alleged victims, they are having it very easy. There is no need to shed tears for these guys. They are demanding the nation's sympathy by force and with threats. Who do they think they are? ============================================ Nd Adongo, You have spoken well, and I admire your intelligent discourse. There is no doubt that the greatest loser out of the election fiasco and the ensuing mayhem was Kenya as a nation. As Mutahi Ngunyi says elsewhere, we have now been lumped as a failed state along with the likes of Zimbabwe, DRC, Somalia, etc. But first, let me just clarify that my defense of Joshua Sang has nothing to do with his ethnic background, guilt or innocence, or even the fact that we share names. I don’t even know him personally. I knew him through his famous radio broadcasts long before the elections. During the campaign period, he played a huge role educating people on their civic duties. He brought in experts in law and other political issues to the studio. Part of the huge election turnout (and even voter registration) in the RVP was due to the newfound political consciousness of the people, owing to programs such as his. Most of his Diaspora listeners as well depended on his broadcasts for updates before, during and after the elections. I was an avid listener myself. But given that he has been accused of war crimes, I guess I am one of those who missed the incitement part that he allegedly caused. I defend him in this forum from the malice displayed by my other interlocutors. They are already hanging him even before he arrives at the court. Having said that, let me return to the issue of impunity – especially by the two most prominent ICC-bound suspects, Uhuru and Ruto. I despair when I listen to their latest political ranting around the country. The fact is that both are stoking tensions among their followers, and this should be reason for alarm. It clearly shows that they never learnt anything from historical events that took place a mere 3 years ago. That’s why I strongly believe that for the country to heal, and to stem the sense of hopelessness that Kenyans have been experiencing due to blatant abuse of power, the ICC is our best hope. In fact, those other 20 suspects that I understand are on the original list should have been arraigned as well. We need the ICC in order for that country to exorcise its demons. Let’s hope that he charges go to full trial so that we would be left with no doubt as to who the real culprits are. My only regret is that the ones who engineered the rigging of the elections that led to the violence are walking scot-free. Cheers |
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 7:54:51 GMT 3
sang2000What I find disturbing is that Ruto and Uhuru have now embarked on full time ethnic incitement as a line of defense for them. That is how we got in trouble to begin with. People know where these things end. It will generate another round of violence if justice is finally served. Adongo , This is a sober analysis on how Kenya got itselves in the P.E.V. However you fail to mention that Raila is the one built his campaign platform solemnly based on inciting other communities against one community and the most ridiculous thing is he is not on the Ocampo 6 as he was the ringleader . That is the questions by Kenyans why isnt Raila being held responsible for the 2008 P.E.V. |
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 5, 2011 8:56:47 GMT 3
sang2000What I find disturbing is that Ruto and Uhuru have now embarked on full time ethnic incitement as a line of defense for them. That is how we got in trouble to begin with. People know where these things end. It will generate another round of violence if justice is finally served. Adongo , This is a sober analysis on how Kenya got itselves in the P.E.V. However you fail to mention that Raila is the one built his campaign platform solemnly based on inciting other communities against one community and the most ridiculous thing is he is not on the Ocampo 6 as he was the ringleader . That is the questions by Kenyans why isnt Raila being held responsible for the 2008 P.E.V. ;D ;D ;D nice try.. keep spinning them.. post proof on here.. who did Raila Kill? in Central or Rift Valley?Kenyans are aware that UHURU KENYATTA PAID MUNGIKI gangs to kill, burn, rape innocent kenyans..in cod blood!!Kenyans are also aware that Ruto & co paid gangs to burn innocent Kenyans in the Kiamba Church, killed, raped and chased other tribes from the Rift Valley.. " IDP camps are still full of raped victims.. The questions Kenyans keep asking themselves are these two Murderers Uhuru & Ruto Killed and slaughtered each others tribes and yet the same tribes are supporting them 100% did they plan the killings in together? was it planned ahead? how come they are now in a loving marriage? and yet they are the same people accused of most heinous crimes against each others tribes including other tribes?are people from central and rift valley blind? or they have been given a "kamute".. something stinks.. By the way sources say that those Luo's, Luhya's, Kisii's that worked on the coffee & tea farms in central that disappeared.. there are mass graves in central province ebu tell Uhuru to produce their skeletons for proper burials!! bure kabisa!! |
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 11:59:23 GMT 3
Adongo , This is a sober analysis on how Kenya got itselves in the P.E.V. However you fail to mention that Raila is the one built his campaign platform solemnly based on inciting other communities against one community and the most ridiculous thing is he is not on the Ocampo 6 as he was the ringleader . That is the questions by Kenyans why isnt Raila being held responsible for the 2008 P.E.V. ;D ;D ;D nice try.. keep spinning them.. post proof on here.. who did Raila Kill? in Central or Rift Valley?Kenyans are aware that UHURU KENYATTA PAID MUNGIKI gangs to kill, burn, rape innocent kenyans..in cod blood!!Kenyans are also aware that Ruto & co paid gangs to burn innocent Kenyans in the Kiamba Church, killed, raped and chased other tribes from the Rift Valley.. " IDP camps are still full of raped victims.. The questions Kenyans keep asking themselves are these two Murderers Uhuru & Ruto Killed and slaughtered each others tribes and yet the same tribes are supporting them 100% did they plan the killings in together? was it planned ahead? how come they are now in a loving marriage? and yet they are the same people accused of most heinous crimes against each others tribes including other tribes?are people from central and rift valley blind? or they have been given a "kamute".. something stinks.. By the way sources say that those Luo's, Luhya's, Kisii's that worked on the coffee & tea farms in central that disappeared.. there are mass graves in central province ebu tell Uhuru to produce their skeletons for proper burials!! bure kabisa!! Reporter, What Adongo and I are acknowledging is that ethnic Incitement against a community is what brought about P.E.V. in 2008 . And what I pointed out , which incidentally Adongo had left out is that Raila was the ringleader in the incitement , so he should be held responsible for that. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 5, 2011 22:46:26 GMT 3
;D ;D ;D nice try.. keep spinning them.. post proof on here.. who did Raila Kill? !! Save your breath to fight a legit fight please, avoid responding to each and everything 'no way ha ha' slings on the board. |
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