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Post by commes on Apr 6, 2011 12:48:39 GMT 3
Prime Minister Raila Odinga address the nation Wednesday 6th April 2011 - 5p.m.Mr Odinga's to dwell on issues of national importance including 1. the ongoing debate on Kenya's post election violence cases at the International Criminal Court. 2. focus on current critical national issues that continue to be the subject of much public debate and, sometimes, anxiety, 3. He will map out the next steps for the country. (Not sure about this one) 4. In his address, Mr Odinga is also expected to touch on matters to do with the implementation of the new Constitution. On Tuesday, the Cabinet approved two Bills seeking to establish the body that will conduct the next elections and another to determine the salaries of public servants. i) the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission Bill and ii) the Salaries and Remuneration Commission Bill now await publication before being presented to Parliament for debate and enactment. The PM may also use his address to tell the nation what steps the government is taking to mitigate against the drought ravaging certain parts of the country. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/PM+Odinga+set+to+address+nation/-/1064/1139728/-/suhs06z/-/index.htmlRecall what happened the last time the PM was set to address the nation? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5020[/quote]
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Post by kamalet on Apr 6, 2011 13:18:48 GMT 3
That is the problem with this man. He prepares people well in advance and then finds himself short-circuited and embarrassed later.
What he should do is to spring surprises on Kenyans....but then that does not make him important as he has to let us know he wants to address the nation!!!
You can never nowadays tell who is the fool...the man or his advisers!
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Post by savekenya011 on Apr 6, 2011 13:43:05 GMT 3
That is the problem with this man. He prepares people well in advance and then finds himself short-circuited and embarrassed later. What he should do is to spring surprises on Kenyans....but then that does not make him important as he has to let us know he wants to address the nation!!! You can never nowadays tell who is the fool...the man or his advisers! hi hi hi ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.Kamale, with all due respect;s'tymes i read your posts and with this particular one i found miself musing "mmmm, if for whatever reason, a vein were to literally pop out of this Kamale xter, what would come out? Would it be real, red human blood with human antigens and antibodies or would it only be "raila-antibodies" which would then make you anti Raila".As in, seems like you live for the moments when you can turn everything you see/hear/speak into RAo this and RAO that. Eish! Modo wakwa, kahora pole pole! Focus on the issues at hand!Not on the person and xter of the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT, my friend, would be constructive and would get us all as Kenyans further ahead. Lets wait for that "national address" by the PM AND THEN, constructively deconstruct all that he will say/propose/allude to and or conclude. Au vipi mwenzangu? Eish!
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Post by cheshirecat on Apr 6, 2011 13:45:46 GMT 3
That is the problem with this man. He prepares people well in advance and then finds himself short-circuited and embarrassed later. What he should do is to spring surprises on Kenyans....but then that does not make him important as he has to let us know he wants to address the nation!!! You can never nowadays tell who is the fool...the man or his advisers! I disagree Kamale. If you are in kenya, you know that by today, we haven't even gotten a fraction of the normal long rains that come in April. Its sunny and dusty in many places. farmers in my home area are not even sure whether to plant or to wait for more rains before planting. Uptshot , there will be a drought.. possibly a famine by June. This is the first senior official talking about it. Thats what matters. Lives of thousands of Kenyans. Not juvenile rants by some self proclaimed spokesmen and barristers.
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Post by destiny on Apr 6, 2011 13:58:06 GMT 3
I doubt whether what he will say- no matter how important- will be backed by the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) side of coalition Govt. Sometimes I wonder why he really bothers. Without 101% full support of political goodwill from across party lines, nothing can work.
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Post by mzee on Apr 6, 2011 14:01:26 GMT 3
That is the problem with this man. He prepares people well in advance and then finds himself short-circuited and embarrassed later. What he should do is to spring surprises on Kenyans....but then that does not make him important as he has to let us know he wants to address the nation!!! You can never nowadays tell who is the fool...the man or his advisers! Easy, easy man. No need to get angry. Kibaki can also address the nation if he wishes. No, I mean ...Uhuru .. your new king can also address the nation.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 6, 2011 14:11:55 GMT 3
That is the problem with this man. He prepares people well in advance and then finds himself short-circuited and embarrassed later. What he should do is to spring surprises on Kenyans....but then that does not make him important as he has to let us know he wants to address the nation!!! You can never nowadays tell who is the fool...the man or his advisers! I disagree Kamale. If you are in kenya, you know that by today, we haven't even gotten a fraction of the normal long rains that come in April. Its sunny and dusty in many places. farmers in my home area are not even sure whether to plant or to wait for more rains before planting. Uptshot , there will be a drought.. possibly a famine by June. This is the first senior official talking about it. Thats what matters. Lives of thousands of Kenyans. Not juvenile rants by some self proclaimed spokesmen and barristers. CheshirecatYes there are areas it has not rained. Please tell me what you will do about it today...do not FFS prepare to tell me tomorrow!!! If the PM wants to talk about anything important, he has a full 30 minutes to talk to the nation in parliament this afternoon!
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Post by kamalet on Apr 6, 2011 14:13:15 GMT 3
I doubt whether what he will say- no matter how important- will be backed by the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) side of coalition Govt. Sometimes I wonder why he really bothers. Without 101% full support of political goodwill from across party lines, nothing can work. ....closer to the point I was making!
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Post by savekenya011 on Apr 6, 2011 14:24:17 GMT 3
Kibaki can also address the nation if he wishes. No, I mean ...Uhuru .. your new king can also address the nation. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D funny! All hail! Long Live the king! ;D
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 14:26:53 GMT 3
And when you thought ODM-Raila had learned a lesson on the art of when to keep quite .... Now he will give UhuRuto an opportunity and agenda items to tear him apart when they come back from the Hague.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 6, 2011 14:37:43 GMT 3
I doubt whether what he will say- no matter how important- will be backed by the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) side of coalition Govt. Sometimes I wonder why he really bothers. Without 101% full support of political goodwill from across party lines, nothing can work. ....closer to the point I was making! Kamale,
So the KKK would rather spend all the time and all the money (on lawyers scuttle diplomacy and the entire machinery of the state and resources of the nation in protecting a handful of suspected criminals accused of organizing mass murder and rape of Kenyans. That is the priority number 1, 2 & 3. And some people are cheering this as the best thing to them since sliced bread. They would rather line street corners and markets dancing to to the tune of ethnic incitement and threats by a handful of criminals to the nation. And that is high grade politics to them How sick is that! I will wait and read what the PM and hopefully he will connect to the millions of Kenyans who are sick of the circus politics and address real issues affecting the lives of Kenyans even if that will make some people cry because they are missing their Hague clowns.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 6, 2011 14:44:18 GMT 3
....closer to the point I was making! Kamale,
So the KKK would rather spend all the time and all the money (on lawyers scuttle diplomacy and the entire machinery of the state and resources of the nation in protecting a handful of suspected criminals accused of organizing mass murder and rape of Kenyans. That is the priority number 1, 2 & 3. And some people are cheering this as the best thing to them since sliced bread. They would rather line street corners and markets dancing to to the tune of ethnic incitement and threats by a handful of criminals to the nation. And that is high grade politics to them How sick is that! I will wait and read what the PM and hopefully he will connect to the millions of Kenyans who are sick of the circus politics and address real issues affecting the lives of Kenyans even if that will make some people cry because they are missing their Hague clowns. You still do not get it.....!
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 15:25:46 GMT 3
I will wait and read what the PM and hopefully he will connect to the millions of Kenyans who are sick of the circus politics and address real issues affecting the lives of Kenyans even if that will make some people cry because they are missing their Hague clowns. Very interesting real issues affecting lives of Kenya are being addressed at a time when Ocampo 6 are leaving for Hague. ODM-Raila just wants to divert the limelight from the trips Have you noticed the following Yesterday when Kosgey Ruto and Sang were boarding the A/C to hague .Synovate pollsters came out -Majority prefer Hague option Today when Uhuru Muthaura board the A/C to Hague . Kibunja drops a report . Raila addresses the nation on several things including famine." steal the limelight s called " but once again I predict this will backfire just as the other tactics
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Post by kamalet on Apr 6, 2011 15:41:13 GMT 3
I will wait and read what the PM and hopefully he will connect to the millions of Kenyans who are sick of the circus politics and address real issues affecting the lives of Kenyans even if that will make some people cry because they are missing their Hague clowns. Very interesting real issues affecting lives of Kenya are being addressed at a time when Ocampo 6 are leaving for Hague. ODM-Raila just wants to divert the limelight from the trips Have you noticed the following Yesterday when Kosgey Ruto and Sang were boarding the A/C to hague .Synovate pollsters came out -Majority prefer Hague option Today when Uhuru Muthaura board the A/C to Hague . Kibunja drops a report . Raila addresses the nation on several things including famine." steal the limelight s called " but once again I predict this will backfire just as the other tactics You are a bloody conspiracy theorist! That is all I can say.
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Post by phil on Apr 6, 2011 16:47:33 GMT 3
Very interesting real issues affecting lives of Kenya are being addressed at a time when Ocampo 6 are leaving for Hague. ODM-Raila just wants to divert the limelight from the trips Have you noticed the following Yesterday when Kosgey Ruto and Sang were boarding the A/C to hague .Synovate pollsters came out -Majority prefer Hague option Today when Uhuru Muthaura board the A/C to Hague . Kibunja drops a report . Raila addresses the nation on several things including famine." steal the limelight s called " but once again I predict this will backfire just as the other tactics You are a bloody conspiracy theorist! That is all I can say. And also an idiot. Pray, what pleasure does one derive from seeing suspected criminals receiving undue publicity? What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans now that post elections violence suspects are being called to account? Hii kelele ya karumaindo rudisha nipate.com.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 17:05:25 GMT 3
You are a bloody conspiracy theorist! That is all I can say. And also an idiot. Pray, what pleasure does one derive from seeing suspected criminals receiving undue publicity? What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans now that post elections violence suspects are being called to account? Hii kelele ya karumaindo rudisha nipate.com. Thank you Phil for repeatedly using the term "suspects" - Remember they are innocent till proven guilty . What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans when the real culprits who incited Kenya to go after each other(Read Raila) are not in that suspect list? Further more there is a question i left on the thread about ODM National Polls and NDC Date - The Question was " What happened to the grassroots polls they were scheduled for Mar before postponned to early April . We are in already in April jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4812&page=3#ixzz1IkexQyjD
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Post by job on Apr 6, 2011 17:19:48 GMT 3
And also an idiot. Pray, what pleasure does one derive from seeing suspected criminals receiving undue publicity? What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans now that post elections violence suspects are being called to account? Hii kelele ya karumaindo rudisha nipate.com. Thank you Phil for repeatedly using the term "suspects" - Remember they are innocent till proven guilty . What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans when the real culprits who incited Kenya to go after each other(Read Raila) are not in that suspect list? Further more there is a question i left on the thread about ODM National Polls and NDC Date - The Question was " What happened to the grassroots polls they were scheduled for Mar before postponned to early April . We are in already in April jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4812&page=3#ixzz1IkexQyjD You are now entering the domain of trash-talking just for nuisance value.
Of what relevance is ODM elections in this specific thread. Why don't you address it in the relevant thread. Every time and again, you bring childish heckling into important threads. For hecks sake, this is not mashada and such childish sites. Busy folks who have limited time for crap want to read serious stuff (news, views, analysis) without the time sift through the kind of rubbish you relentlessly inject here.. If your aim is to trash, devalue, and lower the quality of debate and discourse in JUKWAA, you will be gone very soon. This board has zero tolerance on trash-talkers, tribalists, homophones, sexists, religious bigots, cyber-stalkers and such. You definitely qualify to be in this lot - from many aspects.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 6, 2011 17:30:52 GMT 3
Thanks job,
I think Oloo should deal with some very serious problems of nuisance posts. If people have nothing to say about a particular issue, it is not a sin to shut up. Alternatively Oloo can ask the trash talkers to have one thread where they pile their nonsense for those interested. Otherwise we are destroying the board with mashada like stunts.
I don't care what people's opinions are but those who deliberately defacate on every thread with irrelevant stuff are making it a nightmare to read serious discussions. It is a real turn off. Other that or they post ten things on the same stuff. I know there is already a thread on this annoying behaviour but this is a classic example of nuisance trash talkers. We are getting sick of them.
This board is not and must not be allowed to become a competition for trash talkers. There is always mashada and they don't see us bothering them there. People should be encouraged to participate and bring whatever they have; poetry, fiction writing, music, personal stories if they want, sports and politics of course but spare us the childishness please.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 6, 2011 17:54:47 GMT 3
I have just listened to the PM's address and I must admit that I am more than disappointed. Apart from really saying nothing new worth the wait, his main line of thought seems to be that we need reconciliation post PEV. Whereas this could be a good thing, everyone could not help but ask, why now? When did the PM realize that murder, rape and destruction of property such as what we saw in '07/08 expressly spearheaded by his supporters was not just atrocious, but barbaric? How does he feel being a PM in such opulence courtesy of the same actions?
As the PM how much has he done to ensure that those living in squalid conditions as IDPs are back to their homes or have new shelter? We have all witnessed the forth and back between the ministries of lands and finance on this single issue, as the coordinator of government functions, what measures has Raila take to ensure that the two are on the same page as far as the resettlement of IDPs is concerned?
Yes, publicity is good, but when you fail to answer the most critical questions, people begin to worry and wonder whether it is necessary in the first place. This address therefore was nothing but meant to seek the usual media attention that results to nothing tangible. Politics as usual, Kenyans better be warned.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 18:07:39 GMT 3
Thank you Phil for repeatedly using the term "suspects" - Remember they are innocent till proven guilty . What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans when the real culprits who incited Kenya to go after each other(Read Raila) are not in that suspect list? Further more there is a question i left on the thread about ODM National Polls and NDC Date - The Question was " What happened to the grassroots polls they were scheduled for Mar before postponned to early April . We are in already in April jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4812&page=3#ixzz1IkexQyjD You are now entering the domain of trash-talking just for nuisance value.
Of what relevance is ODM elections in this specific thread. Why don't you address it in the relevant thread. Every time and again, you bring childish heckling into important threads. For hecks sake, this is not mashada and such childish sites. Busy folks who have limited time for crap want to read serious stuff (news, views, analysis) without the time sift through the kind of rubbish you relentlessly inject here.. If your aim is to trash, devalue, and lower the quality of debate and discourse in JUKWAA, you will be gone very soon. This board has zero tolerance on trash-talkers, tribalists, homophones, sexists, religious bigots, cyber-stalkers and such. You definitely qualify to be in this lot - from many aspects.You talk of trash-talking - Ive not insulted anyone in this post - You are twisting facts so that a perception can be created in regards to that . Why write all over the thread instead of sending a PM if you feel that Im now entering that domain you call " trash-talking." ODM elections are very relevant in this thread . Raila Odinga is the leader of the Party and he was scheduled to address the nation , If this was addressed it could have closed this open item .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 18:22:30 GMT 3
Thanks job, I think Oloo should deal with some very serious problems of nuisance posts. If people have nothing to say about a particular issue, it is not a sin to shut up. Alternatively Oloo can ask the trash talkers to have one thread where they pile their nonsense for those interested. Otherwise we are destroying the board with mashada like stunts. I don't care what people's opinions are but those who deliberately defacate on every thread with irrelevant stuff are making it a nightmare to read serious discussions. It is a real turn off. Other that or they post ten things on the same stuff. I know there is already a thread on this annoying behaviour but this is a classic example of nuisance trash talkers. We are getting sick of them. This board is not and must not be allowed to become a competition for trash talkers. There is always mashada and they don't see us bothering them there. People should be encouraged to participate and bring whatever they have; poetry, fiction writing, music, personal stories if they want, sports and politics of course but spare us the childishness please. Adongo , This was my take on the PM addressing the Nation before the phils came and started hurling abuses . I rest my case on that - Once the feedback on PM s address starts coming - this will be one of them - It was a diversion tactic . Very interesting real issues affecting lives of Kenya are being addressed at a time when Ocampo 6 are leaving for Hague. ODM-Raila just wants to divert the limelight from the trips Have you noticed the following Yesterday when Kosgey Ruto and Sang were boarding the A/C to hague .Synovate pollsters came out -Majority prefer Hague option Today when Uhuru Muthaura board the A/C to Hague . Kibunja drops a report . Raila addresses the nation on several things including famine." steal the limelight s called " but once again I predict this will backfire just as the other tactics Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=5284&page=1#ixzz1Ikxvbon5
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Post by job on Apr 6, 2011 19:26:56 GMT 3
I have just listened to the PM's address and I must admit that I am more than disappointed. Apart from really saying nothing new worth the wait, his main line of thought seems to be that we need reconciliation post PEV. Whereas this could be a good thing, everyone could not help but ask, why now? When did the PM realize that murder, rape and destruction of property such as what we saw in '07/08 expressly spearheaded by his supporters was not just atrocious, but barbaric? How does he feel being a PM in such opulence courtesy of the same actions? As the PM how much has he done to ensure that those living in squalid conditions as IDPs are back to their homes or have new shelter? We have all witnessed the forth and back between the ministries of lands and finance on this single issue, as the coordinator of government functions, what measures has Raila take to ensure that the two are on the same page as far as the resettlement of IDPs is concerned? Yes, publicity is good, but when you fail to answer the most critical questions, people begin to worry and wonder whether it is necessary in the first place. This address therefore was nothing but meant to seek the usual media attention that results to nothing tangible. Politics as usual, Kenyans better be warned. I don't know which speech you were watching. I watched the PM's speech via the web. First and foremost, this was a well-timed address to the nation by the Prime Minister. For the past 2 weeks, media has relentlessly focused on giving coverage to the Uhuru-Ruto rallies marketing the theme that ICC (Ocampo) is sending them to the Hague in order to remove Raila’s competitors from the 2012 presidential race. This message has been repeatedly drummed in their respective Central and North Rift strongholds as build-up to the Pre-Trials ensues. The PM had to remind Kenyans that ICC will starting tomorrow, begin the process of bringing justice to the victims of the post election violence. Media has given these victims near-complete blackout as they focus on the suspects. This is exactly what I heard the PM stress upon – urging Kenyans to reflect on the two months the nation burnt and the many lives lost. As far as I can recall, when he called for mass action in response to the stolen elections, he never asked anyone to go kill their neighbours or engage in raping sprees. That certainly is not mass action. Those who appropriately responded to the call, through peaceful protests and demonstrations were killed by police. Others veered into criminal acts of thuggery and arson, but a line has to be drawn when it comes to crimes against humanity (ethnic oriented mass killings, mass displacements, mass rapes, etc). To expect the PM to support such acts, under the guise that they were committed by ODM supporters is obnoxious. After all he is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. The PM has refused to approve of mass blood-letting of fellow citizens (whether by police, or by militias and gangs - period!)..this is why he called on Kenyans to support Justice as a means to end this type of deadly impunity that can destroy our country. That’s the best prerequisite for healing the wounds of the past and uniting as a nation. The temporary and shaky alliances of tribal elites at the top (KKK) won’t guarantee lasting peace. Justice is what will end these cyclical killings.
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Post by gemagema on Apr 6, 2011 19:27:31 GMT 3
All these strategic moves by synovate to announce the poll results that indicate that most of the Kenyans are for the Hague process and RAO's address on his ODM-government stand on Ocampo six is all about reminding ICC judges, just in case they have forgotten, that as you embark on these cases, keep in mind that the Kenyans are with you. And forget about what Kibaki and his PNU government are arguing for. Very astute and well-timed.
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Post by commes on Apr 6, 2011 19:59:35 GMT 3
I have just listened to the PM's address and I must admit that I am more than disappointed. Apart from really saying nothing new worth the wait, his main line of thought seems to be that we need reconciliation post PEV. Whereas this could be a good thing, everyone could not help but ask, why now? When did the PM realize that murder, rape and destruction of property such as what we saw in '07/08 expressly spearheaded by his supporters was not just atrocious, but barbaric? How does he feel being a PM in such opulence courtesy of the same actions? As the PM how much has he done to ensure that those living in squalid conditions as IDPs are back to their homes or have new shelter? We have all witnessed the forth and back between the ministries of lands and finance on this single issue, as the coordinator of government functions, what measures has Raila take to ensure that the two are on the same page as far as the resettlement of IDPs is concerned? Yes, publicity is good, but when you fail to answer the most critical questions, people begin to worry and wonder whether it is necessary in the first place. This address therefore was nothing but meant to seek the usual media attention that results to nothing tangible. Politics as usual, Kenyans better be warned. I don't know which speech you were watching. I watched the PM's speech via the web. First and foremost, this was a well-timed address to the nation by the Prime Minister. For the past 2 weeks, media has relentlessly focused on giving coverage to the Uhuru-Ruto rallies marketing the theme that ICC (Ocampo) is sending them to the Hague in order to remove Raila’s competitors from the 2012 presidential race. This message has been repeatedly drummed in their respective Central and North Rift strongholds as build-up to the Pre-Trials ensues. The PM had to remind Kenyans that ICC will starting tomorrow, begin the process of bringing justice to the victims of the post election violence. Media has given these victims near-complete blackout as they focus on the suspects. This is exactly what I heard the PM stress upon – urging Kenyans to reflect on the two months the nation burnt and the many lives lost. As far as I can recall, when he called for mass action in response to the stolen elections, he never asked anyone to go kill their neighbours or engage in raping sprees. That certainly is not mass action. Those who appropriately responded to the call, through peaceful protests and demonstrations were killed by police. Others veered into criminal acts of thuggery and arson, but a line has to be drawn when it comes to crimes against humanity (ethnic oriented mass killings, mass displacements, mass rapes, etc). To expect the PM to support such acts, under the guise that they were committed by ODM supporters is obnoxious. After all he is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. The PM has refused to approve of mass blood-letting of fellow citizens (whether by police, or by militias and gangs - period!)..this is why he called on Kenyans to support Justice as a means to end this type of deadly impunity that can destroy our country. That’s the best prerequisite for healing the wounds of the past and uniting as a nation. The temporary and shaky alliances of tribal elites at the top (KKK) won’t guarantee lasting peace. Justice is what will end these cyclical killings. Electricity was out in my part of the world. I missed news and the PM’s address. I am now playing catch up, and from what Job is saying he was exemplary. At least one Principle has the courtesy to talk about the plight of a nation. The other long forgot to rise up to the occasion. For lack of PORK’s leadership, and his slyness, the country is where it is. It is a fact that his side of “government” but more specifically PORK himself, lacks consistency, has failed to make good decisions but more importantly has no commitment to solving deep-seated problems afflicting this nation. Take the obvious IDP situation for example. All I saw recently was this man, Moses Kuria appearing at the IDP camp as part of a strategy to save the O-6 via deferral. There was no interest what-so-ever in the IDPs plight other than deferral. The forgotten IDPs are still hopeful I am certain that if the IDP docket was squarely under an ODM Minister, they would have delivered something substantive. Not threatening to strip.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 6, 2011 20:18:54 GMT 3
Is there a video or transcript of the speech? I am glad the Rt Hon Prime Minister made the speech.
The timing was priceless, because the Nation has no National leader worth talking about. We have obstreperous tribalists hogging the media space space because they own it but thankfully they have a date with Ocampo. Then we have the somnolent one who never has anything to say when the country burns. So the void is there. And this fits perfectly well with my thinking, that progressive forces have to maintain the current Narrative, i.e keep the IDPs, survivors in the limelight too, while calling for justice.
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