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Post by destiny on Nov 23, 2011 14:19:24 GMT 3
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Post by t2011 on Nov 23, 2011 15:27:10 GMT 3
Now my guess has been confirmed this government is dis functional and confused , which road is the priority to be made a dual carriage way , in fact an express way , is it Nairobi-Nyeri or mombasa -busia malaba and mombasa-eldoret -lokichogio highways .
Kimunya the minister of transport is dictating terms to the roads department i can read this and this is a clear pnu minister spite towards an odm minister.
The highway from mombasa is more productive than this nbi-nyeri route , how do you do business with new openings in south sudan before we build the lamu-lokichogio route , also due to oil discovery in uganda expect kenya- uganda business to thrive .
Hey lazy corrupt ministers why look at your tumbo always kenya is larger than you.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 23, 2011 17:49:49 GMT 3
There are several points that can and should be made: 1. This is an extension of the Thika road superhighway 2. Engineer Kidenda is talking of a ‘feasibility study, impact assessment’ – why is this being done after a decision to proceed with the project? Shouldn’t feasibility be the trigger for the decision? In any case shouldn’t the government be weighing the Returns on Investment in this project against other returns? 3. Actually this is a freakin joke because to me this is not even one of the roads that is identified as part of the Northern Corridor priorities www.ttcanc.org/latest/infrastructure/road.asp. 4. Regular users of that road will agree that hardly any goods headed to Ethiopia area transported through this road. This is the stated reason in the story. There is livestock from Isiolo and Marsabit on Lorries but the volumes hardly make economic justification. 5. Nairobi to Moyale and Moyale to Addis Ababa is about 1400 kms. It is arrant nonsense to transport heavy good by roads over that distance. It would make more economic sense to develop railways. 6. As for local produce, this simply skews the comparative advantages even further against other domestic producers’ elsewhere in the country. Potatoes and cabbages from Nyeri will be cheaper and fresher than similar products from other places that do not benefit from this road. So this is selective subsidy. In CONCLUSION this may be an extension of skewed development and misplaced priorities. It is the same thinking that allows Nyeri to receive a higher budget for water projects than say, the needier Garissa. It is also the REASON why many have been sold on the idea of devolved government. |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 23, 2011 19:52:07 GMT 3
There are several points that can and should be made: 1. This is an extension of the Thika road superhighway 2. Engineer Kidenda is talking of a ‘feasibility study, impact assessment’ – why is this being done after a decision to proceed with the project? Shouldn’t feasibility be the trigger for the decision? In any case shouldn’t the government be weighing the Returns on Investment in this project against other returns? 3. Actually this is a freakin joke because to me this is not even one of the roads that is identified as part of the Northern Corridor priorities www.ttcanc.org/latest/infrastructure/road.asp. 4. Regular users of that road will agree that hardly any goods headed to Ethiopia area transported through this road. This is the stated reason in the story. There is livestock from Isiolo and Marsabit on Lorries but the volumes hardly make economic justification. 5. Nairobi to Moyale and Moyale to Addis Ababa is about 1400 kms. It is arrant nonsense to transport heavy good by roads over that distance. It would make more economic sense to develop railways. 6. As for local produce, this simply skews the comparative advantages even further against other domestic producers’ elsewhere in the country. Potatoes and cabbages from Nyeri will be cheaper and fresher than similar products from other places that do not benefit from this road. So this is selective subsidy. In CONCLUSION this may be an extension of skewed development and misplaced priorities. It is the same thinking that allows Nyeri to receive a higher budget for water projects than say, the needier Garissa. It is also the REASON why many have been sold on the idea of devolved government. How about a little controversy...... Why do we build roads? For the simple reason that there will be cars to drive on those roads. So if there are more vehicles on the Nairobi-Nyeri road than there are on the Nakuru Eldama Ravine road which road would be subjected to expansion? |
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Post by tnk on Nov 23, 2011 20:22:57 GMT 3
How about a little controversy...... Why do we build roads? For the simple reason that there will be cars to drive on those roads. So if there are more vehicles on the Nairobi-Nyeri road than there are on the Nakuru Eldama Ravine road which road would be subjected to expansion? can you back this up with data or is this yet another diversionary argument |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 21:30:30 GMT 3
There are several points that can and should be made: 1. This is an extension of the Thika road superhighway 2. Engineer Kidenda is talking of a ‘feasibility study, impact assessment’ – why is this being done after a decision to proceed with the project? Shouldn’t feasibility be the trigger for the decision? In any case shouldn’t the government be weighing the Returns on Investment in this project against other returns? 3. Actually this is a freakin joke because to me this is not even one of the roads that is identified as part of the Northern Corridor priorities www.ttcanc.org/latest/infrastructure/road.asp. 4. Regular users of that road will agree that hardly any goods headed to Ethiopia area transported through this road. This is the stated reason in the story. There is livestock from Isiolo and Marsabit on Lorries but the volumes hardly make economic justification. 5. Nairobi to Moyale and Moyale to Addis Ababa is about 1400 kms. It is arrant nonsense to transport heavy good by roads over that distance. It would make more economic sense to develop railways. 6. As for local produce, this simply skews the comparative advantages even further against other domestic producers’ elsewhere in the country. Potatoes and cabbages from Nyeri will be cheaper and fresher than similar products from other places that do not benefit from this road. So this is selective subsidy. In CONCLUSION this may be an extension of skewed development and misplaced priorities. It is the same thinking that allows Nyeri to receive a higher budget for water projects than say, the needier Garissa. It is also the REASON why many have been sold on the idea of devolved government. How about a little controversy...... Why do we build roads? For the simple reason that there will be cars to drive on those roads. So if there are more vehicles on the Nairobi-Nyeri road than there are on the Nakuru Eldama Ravine road which road would be subjected to expansion?
“It’s a matter of life and death to be in the next government so as to reap the benefits of being closer to power. This will facilitate rapid development of infrastructure, education and other necessities like water for irrigation,” said Kareke.
“We need to stay upright and support Uhuru Kenyatta because since he was appointed Finance minister he has funded several projects in this constituency. Since President Kibaki was elected the fruits of the growing economy have always been closer to us and we don’t want to deviate from that track,” he said.see it here: Uhuru being swindled, says Mbiuki WEDNESDAY, 23 NOVEMBER 2011 02:57 BY FRANCIS MUREITHI AND KIRIMI MUREITHI CRACKS are emerging in the PNU Alliance with some members being accused of fleecing Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta. Agriculture assistant minister Kareke Mbiuki, a key supporter of Uhuru in Meru, claimed on Monday that some PNU alliance leaders are misusing Uhuru's money. “People are misusing him by demanding money to fund the party’s activities and for building the party. But on the other side they are going round claiming the country is not ready for another Kikuyu President. So what they want is his money and later deny him an opportunity to win the nomination process,” said Mbiuki. Mbiuki, who was elected to Parliament on a Kanu ticket, said some MPs are exploring the possibility of supporting Uhuru's presidency outside the PNU Alliance. “We are still in Kanu and when February comes we will tell you which party we will use to vie for seats from the Presidency level down to the county representatives,” he said. The wealthy Kenyatta family are in a strong position to bankroll a presidential bid by Uhuru or another presidential candidate. Mbiuki's comments raise the possibility that Uhuru and his supporters might decide to go it alone in the presidential race. Mbiuki was making a donation to the mothers of eight newborns at Karianjomo Catholic Church in his Nithi constituency. The top leaders in the PNU Alliance are Uhuru, Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka, and Internal Security minister George Saitoti. In September, Uhuru, Kalonzo, Saitoti signed a Memorandum of Understanding to bind them to support a single presidential candidate in 2012. They agreed to open the gate for Eldoret North MP William Ruto and any other interested politician. On Sunday, Kalonzo rebranded ODM-K as the Wiper Democratic Party with the umbrella as its symbol instead of the one and a half Orange. Saitoti is the chairman of PNU. Uhuru remains the chairman of Kanu, which is part of the PNU alliance through him. Yesterday, a close associate of Uhuru said the alliance members should not be strengthening their parties. "At this time of the year, we should be working towards a unified and perfect union," he stated.
“It’s a matter of life and death to be in the next government so as to reap the benefits of being closer to power. This will facilitate rapid development of infrastructure, education and other necessities like water for irrigation,” said Kareke.
“We need to stay upright and support Uhuru Kenyatta because since he was appointed Finance minister he has funded several projects in this constituency. Since President Kibaki was elected the fruits of the growing economy have always been closer to us and we don’t want to deviate from that track,” he said. Uhuru has declared that he will be standing in the 2012 presidential election even if the ICC confirms that he should go for a full trial on charges of crimes against humanity because of the 2007/8 post-election violence. PNU Alliance national organising secretary Peter ole Saparan said,“We have a memorandum of understanding between Kalonzo, Uhuru, and Saitoti to promote unity which is paramount to winning the general election. We are sure that when we are together things will work out correctly, our way”. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/50534-cracks-emerge-in-pnu-alliance |
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Post by phil on Nov 23, 2011 22:14:10 GMT 3
After the ill advised Nyeri airport upgrade proposal, it was easy to predict that this was the next obvious direction Kibakinomics would look to. |
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Post by b6k on Nov 23, 2011 22:43:03 GMT 3
Picture Baba Jimmy in retirement up in Othaya. He falls ill. Doctors rule out use of the swanky new aerodrome as flying may be too risky. Select plan B; evacuation by road on a dual carriageway nyweeeee with no risk of head on collisions while in transit ;D
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Post by kamalet on Nov 24, 2011 8:43:50 GMT 3
How about a little controversy...... Why do we build roads? For the simple reason that there will be cars to drive on those roads. So if there are more vehicles on the Nairobi-Nyeri road than there are on the Nakuru Eldama Ravine road which road would be subjected to expansion?
“It’s a matter of life and death to be in the next government so as to reap the benefits of being closer to power. This will facilitate rapid development of infrastructure, education and other necessities like water for irrigation,” said Kareke.
“We need to stay upright and support Uhuru Kenyatta because since he was appointed Finance minister he has funded several projects in this constituency. Since President Kibaki was elected the fruits of the growing economy have always been closer to us and we don’t want to deviate from that track,” he said.see it here: Uhuru being swindled, says Mbiuki WEDNESDAY, 23 NOVEMBER 2011 02:57 BY FRANCIS MUREITHI AND KIRIMI MUREITHI CRACKS are emerging in the PNU Alliance with some members being accused of fleecing Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta. Agriculture assistant minister Kareke Mbiuki, a key supporter of Uhuru in Meru, claimed on Monday that some PNU alliance leaders are misusing Uhuru's money. “People are misusing him by demanding money to fund the party’s activities and for building the party. But on the other side they are going round claiming the country is not ready for another Kikuyu President. So what they want is his money and later deny him an opportunity to win the nomination process,” said Mbiuki. Mbiuki, who was elected to Parliament on a Kanu ticket, said some MPs are exploring the possibility of supporting Uhuru's presidency outside the PNU Alliance. “We are still in Kanu and when February comes we will tell you which party we will use to vie for seats from the Presidency level down to the county representatives,” he said. The wealthy Kenyatta family are in a strong position to bankroll a presidential bid by Uhuru or another presidential candidate. Mbiuki's comments raise the possibility that Uhuru and his supporters might decide to go it alone in the presidential race. Mbiuki was making a donation to the mothers of eight newborns at Karianjomo Catholic Church in his Nithi constituency. The top leaders in the PNU Alliance are Uhuru, Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka, and Internal Security minister George Saitoti. In September, Uhuru, Kalonzo, Saitoti signed a Memorandum of Understanding to bind them to support a single presidential candidate in 2012. They agreed to open the gate for Eldoret North MP William Ruto and any other interested politician. On Sunday, Kalonzo rebranded ODM-K as the Wiper Democratic Party with the umbrella as its symbol instead of the one and a half Orange. Saitoti is the chairman of PNU. Uhuru remains the chairman of Kanu, which is part of the PNU alliance through him. Yesterday, a close associate of Uhuru said the alliance members should not be strengthening their parties. "At this time of the year, we should be working towards a unified and perfect union," he stated.
“It’s a matter of life and death to be in the next government so as to reap the benefits of being closer to power. This will facilitate rapid development of infrastructure, education and other necessities like water for irrigation,” said Kareke.
“We need to stay upright and support Uhuru Kenyatta because since he was appointed Finance minister he has funded several projects in this constituency. Since President Kibaki was elected the fruits of the growing economy have always been closer to us and we don’t want to deviate from that track,” he said. Uhuru has declared that he will be standing in the 2012 presidential election even if the ICC confirms that he should go for a full trial on charges of crimes against humanity because of the 2007/8 post-election violence. PNU Alliance national organising secretary Peter ole Saparan said,“We have a memorandum of understanding between Kalonzo, Uhuru, and Saitoti to promote unity which is paramount to winning the general election. We are sure that when we are together things will work out correctly, our way”. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/50534-cracks-emerge-in-pnu-allianceTotal irrelevance...but no one can blame you! This thread was never about PNU cracks but a road headed for Nyeri. As for roads being built for life and death political reasons, you firmly belong to the Moi error where this was all that was happening....roads built for drying maize! |
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Post by mangai on Nov 24, 2011 11:41:59 GMT 3
Something is not right here. Mombasa Road was supposed to be expanded to dual carriageway up to Machakos Junction. Land owners on either side of the road where the road was to be expanded had even been compensated. Then it emerged that there was no money to complete the project. The dual carriage way was therefore only done to Athi River. There was however money to make Thika Road a super highway. To me Mombasa Road should have been a priority to all others considering the critical role it plays in our economy.
I have also been wondering whether it is by coincidence that the Eastern by pass linking Embakasi to Ruiru and the Northern by pass have been constructed and yet construction on the more critical Southern by pass is even yet to start.
Kenyans watch all this. Their frustrations are always reflected during elections. The next elections might not be different.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 25, 2011 9:42:09 GMT 3
Something is not right here. Mombasa Road was supposed to be expanded to dual carriageway up to Machakos Junction. Land owners on either side of the road where the road was to be expanded had even been compensated. Then it emerged that there was no money to complete the project. The dual carriage way was therefore only done to Athi River. There was however money to make Thika Road a super highway. To me Mombasa Road should have been a priority to all others considering the critical role it plays in our economy. I have also been wondering whether it is by coincidence that the Eastern by pass linking Embakasi to Ruiru and the Northern by pass have been constructed and yet construction on the more critical Southern by pass is even yet to start. Kenyans watch all this. Their frustrations are always reflected during elections. The next elections might not be different. Mangai To my recollection the dualing of Mombasa road from Machakos turnoff is something that is nearing completion.....? |
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Post by mangai on Nov 25, 2011 10:48:00 GMT 3
Something is not right here. Mombasa Road was supposed to be expanded to dual carriageway up to Machakos Junction. Land owners on either side of the road where the road was to be expanded had even been compensated. Then it emerged that there was no money to complete the project. The dual carriage way was therefore only done to Athi River. There was however money to make Thika Road a super highway. To me Mombasa Road should have been a priority to all others considering the critical role it plays in our economy. I have also been wondering whether it is by coincidence that the Eastern by pass linking Embakasi to Ruiru and the Northern by pass have been constructed and yet construction on the more critical Southern by pass is even yet to start. Kenyans watch all this. Their frustrations are always reflected during elections. The next elections might not be different. Mangai To my recollection the dualing of Mombasa road from Machakos turnoff is something that is nearing completion.....? No Kamalet. The dualling has only been done and will stop just after the Athi River bridge near Devki Steel Mills in Athi River township. The other portion will have to wait until funds are available. It appears you've not driven on that section of late. |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 25, 2011 12:29:53 GMT 3
Mangai To my recollection the dualing of Mombasa road from Machakos turnoff is something that is nearing completion.....? No Kamalet. The dualling has only been done and will stop just after the Athi River bridge near Devki Steel Mills in Athi River township. The other portion will have to wait until funds are available. It appears you've not driven on that section of late. You could be right, have not been on that road since christmas last year! But still on your point about making money available vis the argument started by Destiny on extending thika dual carriage way to Marua - the key difference is that this extenstion is at feasibility stage whilst the Machakos turn off completion is one where no funds exist to complete...! We had a discussion about this same road from Mombasa and considering its importance it was suggested that if 50 billion shillings was availed, it would be sufficient to dual the road all the way to Mombasa. My view then was that this is what takes a very brave leader who is willing to make loads of sacrifices and hive off such an amount from the annual budget to have the road built - then break it into about 8 work packages of about 80kms each given to different contractors (chinese?) and in one year we can have the road dualled. The economic benefits of such a sacrifice can be realised in less than 5 years! |
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Post by roughrider on Nov 25, 2011 17:10:49 GMT 3
Folks,
I put on my thinking hat and even did some back-of-the-envelop calculations. I arrived at a stunning conclusion: Doing the dual carriage way from Mombasa to Nairobi will provide more social and economic benefit to the people of Othaya, than the dual carriage way from Thika to Nyeri.
Needless to say, it will also benefit the rest of the country much better.
Sometimes, people simply DO NOT know what is good for them.
Maybe we need a department of Comparative Government Project Analysis and Impact Assessment that sits astride the ministries of Finance and Planning.
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Post by genius on Nov 25, 2011 17:42:20 GMT 3
That's right. Dualling the road all the way to Nyeri, apart from providing impressive views for schoolboys along the route, serves not much else. Much of the traffic on Thika Road begins from around Kasarani, even the traffic to Ruiru, thika etc is not enough to justify an eight lane highway. Nevertheless, the highway will at least solve many of the problems faced by folks from Kasarani, Githurai 44, Pangani etc. Beyond Thika, a normal road is more than enough. I have travelled on that road numerous times. Perhaps an overtaking lane would help, but not a dual carriageway, that's overkill.
As for the dual carriageway to Machakos junction, now that's long overdue. Dualling all the way to Mombasa is also overkill. What would be useful is overtaking lanes at steep sections and perhaps dual sections at places like Mtito Andei, Voi and from Mariakani onwards into Mombasa. Also the bypass to South Coast is beyond overdue. It's is rather silly to have to drive from the mainland into the Island then through the traffic jams then line up for the ferry to carry you back into the mainland. These projects are both more important to the economy and more urgent than the vanity dual carriageway to Nyeri.
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Post by nowayhaha on Nov 29, 2011 14:37:15 GMT 3
Raila On The Said "Nairobi-Nyeri Road" Mr Odinga added that the Kenol-Murang’a-Sagana road will be upgraded into a dual carriage way to ease transportation of farm produce in the area. In a move aimed at endearing himself to Central Kenya region, Mr Odinga while addressing a crowd at Saba Saba town described himself as a Muthoni-wa (In-law) of the Kikuyu community. He further said he had helped campaign for President Kibaki in the area ahead of the 2002 elections using the ‘Kibaki Tosha’ slogan but stopped short of asking the locals to reciprocate by voting for him in next year’s general elections. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Raila+calls+for+unity+before+poll/-/1064/1280480/-/1joo6wz/-/index.html |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 30, 2011 8:24:25 GMT 3
Something is not right here. Mombasa Road was supposed to be expanded to dual carriageway up to Machakos Junction. Land owners on either side of the road where the road was to be expanded had even been compensated. Then it emerged that there was no money to complete the project. The dual carriage way was therefore only done to Athi River. There was however money to make Thika Road a super highway. To me Mombasa Road should have been a priority to all others considering the critical role it plays in our economy. I have also been wondering whether it is by coincidence that the Eastern by pass linking Embakasi to Ruiru and the Northern by pass have been constructed and yet construction on the more critical Southern by pass is even yet to start. Kenyans watch all this. Their frustrations are always reflected during elections. The next elections might not be different. Your argument about priority and linking this to central Kenya is wrong. The guys who decide what road is more important are at the Roads ministry and your guess is as good as mine on who heads that particular ministry. But if it is any consolation, you will be happy to know that money is now available for th Southern by-pass.....http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/2011/11/sh16b-to-finance-nairobi-southern-bypass/ |
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Post by mangai on Nov 30, 2011 11:26:37 GMT 3
Your argument about priority and linking this to central Kenya is wrong. The guys who decide what road is more important are at the Roads ministry and your guess is as good as mine on who heads that particular ministry. But if it is any consolation, you will be happy to know that money is now available for th Southern by-pass.....http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/2011/11/sh16b-to-finance-nairobi-southern-bypass/ It is good something is being done. This is the most critical one of all the by passes as it will relieve Nairobi of most of the traffic jams. It is needless to drive from Thika in 15 minutes only to get to Pangani to in traffic jam for two hours before getting to the city all because the other side of town is grid locked. I have had the privilege of going to ALL the 47 counties in the country (and in most cases by road) and as such understand the situation all over the country as far infrastructure development is concerned. I can tell you politics plays a big role in determining which roads gets priority in construction. That is why there was a joke sometimes back that Moi had constructed roads whose only use was for drying maize or for goats to rest on! During campaigns, politicians will promise the electorate on how they will make roads, bridges etc all in the name of securing votes. Just the other day, Kiema Kilonzo and Charity Ngilu were complaining, and justifiably so, why construction of the Kibwezi, Ikutha, Mutomo, Kitui, Mwingi road had to start from Mwingi and not Kibwezi. Your guess is as good as mine. By the way this is another critical corridor that could be used to link with Ethiopia through Moyale. It had to take barricading of Mombasa Road at Voi for the government to finally yield to construction of Mwatate-Taveta road a critical trade corridor with Tanzania that is the busiest may be apart from Sirare/Isebania one. Where did that money come from all of a sudden? There are obvious priorities while others are political projects. If you have been to Mombasa, I am sure you'll have noticed the kind of developments that have taken place on the North Coast all the way to Mtwapa compared to South Coast from Likoni. Ceteris peribus (other things being constant), the Nyali bridge is the difference clearly showing what prioritised infrastructure can do to a region's economic well being. When a main road is constructed in an area, people take note. They also know that priority is not determined at the Ministry of Roads alone. |
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