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Post by mojofujo on Jan 1, 2012 19:57:08 GMT 3
Your arguments are not sustainable. 1. Everyone seeks employment and so forth because of stomach. One hardly works for free! Employement is rewarded with remuneration. 2. The fact the Miguna called Raila a 'conman' ( not sure if it was political) does not negate the fact Raila was the one who called him for a meeting to discuss his reinstatement. If Raila wanted to reinstate Miguna despite what he said about Raila, where the two were to work together, I see no reason why it should bother a non-entity who will not work with either of them. 3. Common sense may not be that common, after all, as you seem to have missed it by a mile! Miguna has never failed to remind all and sundry that he is an agent of change in the Kenyan political arena and his employment with the OPM was of a political nature (look up his former job title when you get a chance). Consequently it is unconscionable that he as an agent of change would want to work for a man who is not one by his standards. Or else if this was not the case and it is a matter of employment as you put it, then what is preventing him from working with Uhuru Kenyatta (if he is not already working with him - pun intended) for instance? Secondly, if it is just a matter of employment, let me remind you that he has been self employed for many years and as such that angle that he is just seeking employment does not cut it. |
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Post by kasiaya on Jan 1, 2012 21:58:59 GMT 3
As a progressive Kenyan and speaking from ‘outside looking in’, I find RAO leadership on this issue to be quite wanting and a harbinger of what will befell us should he be the ultimate executive authority. The way PM’s office / those whom he appointed has handled MM case hits me as lacking in professionalism and brings to the fore PM’s Judgment abilities as a leader. I equally fault in equal measure a complete cone of silence from the PM on this issue; I think he is capable of doing much more to pacify the dispute despite being out of the country. Hope time will prove me wrong……..
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Post by patriotism101 on Jan 1, 2012 22:05:04 GMT 3
My special message to MM and RAO. A lesson on being perfect and great!
Happy new year
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Post by tnk on Jan 1, 2012 22:46:01 GMT 3
jakaswanga, furaha
thanks for the reply
up to this moment have only been taking brief glimpses on this MM issue
have just now read the open letter by OO and caught up with Jobs piece above as well as adongo's
the letter of "reinstatement", if it could be called that, is a piece of art.
does not in any way reflect the 3 hour meeting as intimated by miguna. up to this moment i had assumed that it was some minor technical details that got skewed.
in fact what has happened here is that those folks over at OPM have completely trashed the agreement
i also would not accept such a letter, its highly unprofessional and furthermore does not even itemize the supposed transgressions i.e even if the objective was to give the employee a second chance, the employee has no was of knowing what he did wrong in the first place so as to correct. it is so generalized that it reeks of incompetence on the part of the author(s). there are specific guidleines on staff disciplinary action and the civil service has a code which i published a while back.
so i concur that this letter neither captures the serena agreement nor the civil service code.
nevertheless, the right way to do things is still for miguna to approach these operators armed with the agreement or if possible carry RAO to the meeting where a more appropriate reinstatement letter with contract terms (renewed or continuation of current) are issued.
one very strange thing about that letter, i would have expected some approval process e.g RAO signature appended to it, showing that he approved it, as it is, it looks like it was cooked somewhere on river road and mailed to miguna
someone in OPM has a major bone to grind with miguna
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Post by phil on Jan 1, 2012 22:57:07 GMT 3
Free advise to the PM. Let the courts deal with legal issues, but for crying out loud political problems must be resolved politically. As can be seen in this sensational report from DN, a defiant Miguna is suggesting that his reinstatement is aimed at blocking him from publishing an “explosive” book on his experiences in the PM’s office. From where I sit, Miguna Miguna is a small political storm in a tea cup. There is no need to try to salvage this Miguna fella. We all know he has other alternatives which he is going to or is already to exploiting. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Defiant+Miguna+threatens+to+reveal+all+/-/1064/1298784/-/e431ksz/-/index.html |
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Post by njamba on Jan 1, 2012 23:32:49 GMT 3
Sahar Elderkin or Salim Lone is the mutual Friend.. anyway we need to find a way to counter this antireform forces in OPM and Phil is among them. We must take the political battle to them and wrestle ODM from them and If raila wants to hold to them he must also be caned in the process. it is time to result into qorrillar tactics. No one has monopoly of Mischief I do not think we should just give up and let Raila trash our aspirations by making nonsense of the political programme of ODM for a few votes that Ishakiah community will bring. The bay of pigs is now
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Post by akinyi2005 on Jan 1, 2012 23:52:44 GMT 3
....Let it be known that I met Raila at my terms, not his terms. Even though they suspended me, I have also left office at my terms, not theirs,” he divulged.  ;D ;D ; ;D. |
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Post by falafulani on Jan 2, 2012 0:08:05 GMT 3
Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang is soon to take unspecified action against an unnamed Canadian Citizen. The reasons for the individual's continued stay in the country remain unclear now that he/she is no longer in gainful employment.
Details are scanty, but stay tuned for updates............
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Post by mank on Jan 2, 2012 0:16:42 GMT 3
Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang is soon to take unspecified action against an unnamed Canadian Citizen. The reasons for the individual's continued stay in the country remain unclear now that he/she is no longer in gainful employment.
Details are scanty, but stay tuned for updates............ Oh, really? That can only make this thing larger than the individual at the center of it. And then it will not be clear who is fighting with who. |
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Post by akinyi2005 on Jan 2, 2012 0:27:35 GMT 3
Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang is soon to take unspecified action against an unnamed Canadian Citizen. The reasons for the individual's continued stay in the country remain unclear now that he/she is no longer in gainful employment. Details are scanty, but stay tuned for updates............ rumor mill news? any links? |
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Post by mojofujo on Jan 2, 2012 1:14:25 GMT 3
“ I am his superior ... so there is no way I can talk to the Prime Minister through him,” Mr Miguna charged.
There must be a lot of Bozos working at the OPM or the PM himself is a Bozo. How on earth was such a narcissistic twit ever hired to be an adviser to the PM?
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Post by affirmed on Jan 2, 2012 1:38:18 GMT 3
Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang is soon to take unspecified action against an unnamed Canadian Citizen. The reasons for the individual's continued stay in the country remain unclear now that he/she is no longer in gainful employment. Details are scanty, but stay tuned for updates............ I don't know the unnamed Canadian citizen, but if it is the person I suspect it would be dangerous and unfortunate. Kajwang' should learn from the reversal of his recent decision to revoke the visa/work permit of a top executive in the private sector. This time it will be the President who will reverse his decision and present himself as the adult in the government. If there are people urging him to take such action-- I would think that they are out to use the issue of the unnamed Canadian citizen for political ends that would do irreparable damage to Kajwang', his party, and the Reform movement in the country. He should not do it. And I want to think Kajwang' is not dumb to go along with such uncalled for myopic action. |
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Post by affirmed on Jan 2, 2012 1:54:59 GMT 3
“ I am his superior ... so there is no way I can talk to the Prime Minister through him,” Mr Miguna charged. There must be a lot of Bozos working at the OPM or the PM himself is a Bozo. How on earth was such a narcissistic twit ever hired to be an adviser to the PM? That is the question I have been asking -How on earth? It is just shocking that the Bozos could not detect this guy's traits before or soon after his appointment. How can a well-schooled individual treat his fellow colleagues with such contempt? I am just beginning to see how and why with such a character at the helm as PM's advisor on Coalition affairs ODM was fractured and outwitted by PNU leading to a lot of the chaotic situations that have thus far characterised the Grand Coalition government. |
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Post by moesha on Jan 2, 2012 4:52:28 GMT 3
“ I am his superior ... so there is no way I can talk to the Prime Minister through him,” Mr Miguna charged. There must be a lot of Bozos working at the OPM or the PM himself is a Bozo. How on earth was such a narcissistic twit ever hired to be an adviser to the PM? That is the question I have been asking -How on earth? It is just shocking that the Bozos could not detect this guy's traits before or soon after his appointment. How can a well-schooled individual treat his fellow colleagues with such contempt? I am just beginning to see how and why with such a character at the helm as PM's advisor on Coalition affairs ODM was fractured and outwitted by PNU leading to a lot of the chaotic situations that have thus far characterised the Grand Coalition government. Good question. "Let it be known that I met Raila at my terms, not his terms. Even though they suspended me, I have also left office at my terms, not theirs,” he divulged."If Miguna has left on his own terms, what is the big deal, why all the hoopla if he already left. Its time he moved on. |
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Post by b6k on Jan 2, 2012 9:49:08 GMT 3
@ Sadik. Thanks for the translation of the Oracles words. All's clear now.
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Post by b6k on Jan 2, 2012 9:53:22 GMT 3
As a progressive Kenyan and speaking from ‘outside looking in’, I find RAO leadership on this issue to be quite wanting and a harbinger of what will befell us should he be the ultimate executive authority. The way PM’s office / those whom he appointed has handled MM case hits me as lacking in professionalism and brings to the fore PM’s Judgment abilities as a leader. I equally fault in equal measure a complete cone of silence from the PM on this issue; I think he is capable of doing much more to pacify the dispute despite being out of the country. Hope time will prove me wrong…….. That's exactly right! If RAO cannot effectively manage the ouster of one of his staff, can he indeed manager the nation? |
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Post by marikopolitico on Jan 2, 2012 13:06:19 GMT 3
MM made his bed.And now he has to lie on it.
Had he been more prudent like his so called counterpart PROF KIBWANA- none of this would have happened.
The contrast in this situation could not be clearer.
Kibwana is doing Kibaki a favour by being his advisor
Raila is/was doing Miguna a favour by appointing him as his advisor.
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Post by afrigun on Jan 2, 2012 15:03:01 GMT 3
@ Gateway. Kindly repeat what the Oracles said in English... Oracles said, WEK SANDO NYAWADU English, Don't torture your brother. Shameful - tribal emotional are being stoked! Sadik, I am no native speaker of the "Oracles" tongoue, but is that realy the translation? Is there any difference between "nyawadu" and "owadu"?, and if so, is the oracle stoking tribalism by the pronouncent as you allege? |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Jan 2, 2012 15:24:02 GMT 3
Oracles said, WEK SANDO NYAWADU English, Don't torture your brother. Shameful - tribal emotional are being stoked! Sadik, I am no native speaker of the "Oracles" tongoue, but is that realy the translation? Is there any difference between "nyawadu" and "owadu"?, and if so, is the oracle stoking tribalism by the pronouncent as you allege? I don't speak Dholou. A friend who was visiting helped translate at the time. If we got it wrong, please enlighten us. From the translation given, I assume the author was communicating to Raila in terms of defending brotherhood premised on tribal lines, hence my reference to tribalism. If it wasn't tribal, why write in Dholou? The difference between Miguna and Raila are basical on principles. Many have taken sides include people from their tribe. Oracle or not, I don't therefore see the need to write in Dholou when speaking to both of them in a public forum. |
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Post by afrigun on Jan 2, 2012 16:13:27 GMT 3
Sadik, I am no native speaker of the "Oracles" tongoue, but is that realy the translation? Is there any difference between "nyawadu" and "owadu"?, and if so, is the oracle stoking tribalism by the pronouncent as you allege? I don't speak Dholou. A friend who was visiting helped translate at the time. If we got it wrong, please enlighten us. From the translation given, I assume the author was communicating to Raila in terms of defending brotherhood premised on tribal lines, hence my reference to tribalism. If it wasn't tribal, why write in Dholou? The difference between Miguna and Raila are basical on principles. Many have taken sides include people from their tribe. Oracle or not, I don't therefore see the need to write in Dholou when speaking to both of them in a public forum. Subject to the qualification i made before, i know the sentece can mean "do not toture your colleague, friend, companion, fellow human being ... etc with nyawadu taking on the meaning of "any person you are toturing now", irrespective of any other familial or blood or other special relationship you may have with the subject being tortured. if "nyawadu" was substituted with "owadu" on the other hand, it would definitely mean "your brother" I may be wrong in my interpretation, and if I am, then I should welcome correction ;D so the oracle could be telling the PM merely to behave decently, without necessary having any bearing on the ethnic or other relationship exists between the two. Of course, as you say, it would have been better to set the message in a usniveraslly understood language to avoid the dangers of misinterpretation, deliberate or otherwise.  |
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Post by abdulmote on Jan 2, 2012 17:13:04 GMT 3
If I was Raila, I would have unleashed some rather harsh words upon my so called "technocrates" for twisting my 'sincere' agreement with Miguna. And by the same token, I would resolve NOT to touch Miguna even with a forty feet pole if he ever appeared on my sight for whatever the reason!
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Post by b6k on Jan 2, 2012 18:21:12 GMT 3
In his usual way of not knowing when to put a sock in it, Miguna narrows down the field of possible candidates for secret mutual friend when he says whoever it may be is a “highly respected corporate titan”. So who may that be, folks?
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Post by mojofujo on Jan 2, 2012 18:30:23 GMT 3
I want a job with the OPM because there seems to be many inept fellows working there.
By doing a simple polling of public opinion, they would have realized that the majority of Kenyans following this Miguna saga are not sympathetic of Miguna but on the contrary find him to be narcissistic, arrogant with severe illusions of grandeur. As such no one will read that tell all book where he will purportedly "spill the beans" on Raila.
This would have saved the PM the further embarrassment of going into a night meeting with Miguna.
Does Dennis Onyango and the communications team have anyone tracking public opinion in many different forums?
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Post by mojofujo on Jan 2, 2012 18:55:35 GMT 3
I want a job with the OPM because there seems to be many inept fellows working there. By doing a simple polling of public opinion, they would have realized that the majority of Kenyans following this Miguna saga are not sympathetic of Miguna but on the contrary find him to be narcissistic, arrogant with severe illusions of grandeur. As such no one will read that tell all book where he will purportedly "spill the beans" on Raila. This would have saved the PM the further embarrassment of going into a night meeting with Miguna. Does Dennis Onyango and the communications team have anyone tracking public opinion in many different forums? Update>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of the 78 comments posted on this saga by readers in the Daily Nation thus far, only 9 have any interest in Miguna's side of the story. That is a paltry 11 % audience.................. |
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Post by okolowaka on Jan 2, 2012 19:48:35 GMT 3
...Seems like MM has taken up the battle to try to cut down Raila to size from Moi, KANU, et al before him; Murungaru, PNU, et al before him; Martha Karua, NARC Kenya et al before him; Mukhisa Kituyi, Musikari Kombo, FORD Kenya, et al before him; Kiraitu, PNU, PDP, KKK, G7, G3, PNU Alliance, et al before him; Auma Muga, Joe Donde, et al; Uhuru, et al before him;Ruto et al before him; Tuju et al before him; etc.... They all wasted time and money on this fruitless quest.... None succeeded and none has said why they were apparently fighting imaginary shadows...
Why do these particular politicians make fighting Raila for no apparent reason their main agenda...?
Why does MM think that a fiction/fairy tale book he is publishing will interest voters enough to read then decide not to vote for Raila on account of some unseen imaginary battles he fought at the OPM...? What extra allowances and job group was Miguna fighting for all along anyway?
Was MM sent...a Trojan horse of some sort...? From the way MM and others before him have tried to fight Raila, I can confidently say it will all amount to nought...bure...nada...mvua baharini...
Tukutane kwa debe... MM!
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