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Post by danieldotwaweru on Jan 26, 2012 23:06:19 GMT 3
Raila is now effective locked out of Central, RV and Parts of western.. Coast may fall soon and then we can say Former PM was a boisterous man who wanted to be president but was stopped dead on tracks by Tribal supremacy coalitions This just shows how desperate some people are getting. Raila must be the most hated politician in Kenya. If Raila was this unpopular and did not stand a chance, then why bother to spend resources trying to unite seven presidential candidate who are more popular than himself in their individual zones to face him? Tiresome to see you making this argument, especially in light of ODM's Pentagon in 2007. Kenyan political parties are (elite) ethnic coalitions of interest. ODM's coalition in 2007-8 was glued together by a quite stunning amount of anti-Gikuyu rhetoric. ODM, then, can hardly complain that it faces a counter-coalition in 2012. |
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Jan 26, 2012 23:12:44 GMT 3
Our country has a long way to go. There are many primitive people. Thats all I can say for now. This is delusional. Raila went to Central not that long ago and told folks to remember the good work of the government in bringing them the Thika highway. They were to vote for him because he had brought them maendeleo. This is the very same road which, elsewhere in the country, ODM claims as proof of Gikuyu ethnocentricity. On Jukwaa, Job claimed that it proved that Uhuru was stealing money from the Treasury. If you talk to ODMers, you'll be told crazy stories: one of them told a relative of mine that Gikuyu were so arrogant they had torn up the previous road so that they would get a new one. And this is a grown, educated professional. Why on earth would anyone vote for a party which tells these sorts of schizoid lies? |
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 26, 2012 23:15:53 GMT 3
When the people who know you the best reject you, there is no reason those who don't know you that well should vote for you in a nationwide election. Al Gore won a majority vote in 2000 but was not sworn as president because he lost his home state of Tennessee. You habitually write nonsense, but I thought this one shouldn't be allowed to pass. Good politicians are often rejected by their compatriots for reasons that the rest of us would do well to ignore. The best example I can think of just now is Obasanjo, who has usually been very unpopular with Yoruba---he actually lost his home region massively in the 1999 election. What is important, is the fact that I know I don't write nonsense, habitually or not. You can say otherwise over and over until go change color, it won't change that fact. You should stick to addressing issues and not merely characterizing what others say as nonsense. Let me hope I am not dazzling you with something you have never heard in saying what someone says may be nonsense to you, but it doesn't follow that therefore it is so not to others. That's what the essence of debate is; you say your piece, I say mine and let others judge what to make of it. If you are capable of debating, which members of this board presupposed to be until they prove otherwise, show by logic and analysis why something I or anyone else for that matter has said is nonsense. Anything less is as illuminating and useful as your useless assertion. |
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Jan 26, 2012 23:41:41 GMT 3
However, I can't rule out a major fallout within the ruling ethnic class as bitterness begins to sink that Kibaki failed to protect his "warrior". Thus, instead of seeing it through the lens of tribalism and region, don't rule out an intra-ethnic and intra-regional feud that will engulf the community as Kibaki proceeds to peaceful retirement leaving Uhuru in the Hague. Don't rule out a debate beginning within the community in terms of: was the second term of Kibaki worth the death, suffering, and Hague it brought on the sons and daughters of the House of Mumbi -- time is everything, let's wait and see! Well, the riders and presidential standard crossed Chania, but with what consequences? Maybe you haven't read the judgements in Ruto et al case, which detail in some clarity the ODM plan, beginning in late 2006, for the mass murder. The agents of the violence are known. I fully appreciate that ODM orthodoxy has it that the violence was caused by Kibaki, but this view has limited purchase elsewhere. The intra-ethnic feud seems unlikely. The TJRC has been going around the country and you see strong sentiments from Coast and RV about Land and Devolution - what does that script tell you? And they have ben very specific about who, how, and when their land was taken. People and communities are first and foremost invested in their material existence and welfare. To assume that a Mtaita or a Digo or Ole Moyoi will sacrifice his/her interest because of Hague when none of them is there and their constant fear of losing or regaining what they perceive to have been taken from them is to suspend belief or to simply relegate analysis to the domain of euphoria and anger completely oblivious of the material conditions that informed the upheaval that engulfed our country in 2007. The history of NARC, and ODM's success in the Rift both refute that claim. Members of NARC were in government together, and one can presume their material interests were taken care of. Nonetheless, many of them chose to leave government, and to threaten those material interests, for reasons of principle as well as reasons of ethnicity. Kalenjin in the Rift Valley were perfectly happy to admit that Kibaki's government had worked for them (see, for example, interviews in I Say To You: Ethnic Politics and the Kalenjin of Kenya, regarding roads, education etc. Nonetheless, they were vehemently opposed to it for a variety of reasons, one of which was a widespread feeling of disrespect (madharau, as a relevant report once put it). I don't know parts parts of Western that are aggrieved by the Hague verdict whose votes Raila has lost. Luyia's who were displaced haven't been given priority as settlement has been ethnicised! Um, no? ODM took great care to select Gikuyu (and Kisii, Kamba and Luhya) for mass murder and ethnic cleansing. As early studies established, the majority of those displaced, and a plurality of those murdered, were Gikuyu. If you set out to murder and evict by ethnicity, you can hardly complain when it is they who are the majority of those resettled. But you will. |
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Jan 26, 2012 23:51:52 GMT 3
If you are capable of debating, which members of this board presupposed to be until they prove otherwise, show by logic and analysis why something I or anyone else for that matter has said is nonsense. Anything less is as illuminating and useful as your useless assertion. Perhaps I've been insufficiently clear. Earlier, you told us that When the people who know you the best reject you, there is no reason those who don't know you that well should vote for you in a nationwide election. This is nonsense on two levels. The first is the implicit assumption that those who know you best are your kinsmen. The second is that very often, there are good reasons to go with someone who can't attract votes from their kinsmen. Obasanjo is a pretty good example: he was, and prolly still is, very unpopular in Yoruba-land because he was a Nigerian nationalist (of a paternal, militaristic kind, but still). He was so unpopular with his kinsmen that he lost the Yoruba vote by a landslide in the Presidential election of 1999, even as he won virtually everywhere else in the country. This is a clear case---and there are others---where a politician's lack of support in his ethnic backyard is exceptionally good reason to support him. That's why it's nonsense to suggest that a politician's inability to gather support from his kinsmen is a good reason not to vote him. |
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Post by tnk on Jan 26, 2012 23:53:09 GMT 3
However, I can't rule out a major fallout within the ruling ethnic class as bitterness begins to sink that Kibaki failed to protect his "warrior". Thus, instead of seeing it through the lens of tribalism and region, don't rule out an intra-ethnic and intra-regional feud that will engulf the community as Kibaki proceeds to peaceful retirement leaving Uhuru in the Hague. Don't rule out a debate beginning within the community in terms of: was the second term of Kibaki worth the death, suffering, and Hague it brought on the sons and daughters of the House of Mumbi -- time is everything, let's wait and see! Well, the riders and presidential standard crossed Chania, but with what consequences? Maybe you haven't read the judgements in Ruto et al case, which detail in some clarity the ODM plan, beginning in late 2006, for the mass murder. The agents of the violence are known. I fully appreciate that ODM orthodoxy has it that the violence was caused by Kibaki, but this view has limited purchase elsewhere. The intra-ethnic feud seems unlikely. The history of NARC, and ODM's success in the Rift both refute that claim. Members of NARC were in government together, and one can presume their material interests were taken care of. Nonetheless, many of them chose to leave government, and to threaten those material interests, for reasons of principle as well as reasons of ethnicity. Kalenjin in the Rift Valley were perfectly happy to admit that Kibaki's government had worked for them (see, for example, interviews in I Say To You: Ethnic Politics and the Kalenjin of Kenya, regarding roads, education etc. Nonetheless, they were vehemently opposed to it for a variety of reasons, one of which was a widespread feeling of disrespect (madharau, as a relevant report once put it). I don't know parts parts of Western that are aggrieved by the Hague verdict whose votes Raila has lost. Luyia's who were displaced haven't been given priority as settlement has been ethnicised! Um, no? ODM took great care to select Gikuyu (and Kisii, Kamba and Luhya) for mass murder and ethnic cleansing. As early studies established, the majority of those displaced, and a plurality of those murdered, were Gikuyu. If you set out to murder and evict by ethnicity, you can hardly complain when it is they who are the majority of those resettled. But you will. ah yes, and thats why ODM is on trial at the hague and ODM is being jailed in kenya today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2012 1:25:31 GMT 3
You habitually write nonsense, but I thought this one shouldn't be allowed to pass. Good politicians are often rejected by their compatriots for reasons that the rest of us would do well to ignore. The best example I can think of just now is Obasanjo, who has usually been very unpopular with Yoruba---he actually lost his home region massively in the 1999 election. What is important, is the fact that I know I don't write nonsense, habitually or not. You can say otherwise over and over until go change color, it won't change that fact. You should stick to addressing issues and not merely characterizing what others say as nonsense. Let me hope I am not dazzling you with something you have never heard in saying what someone says may be nonsense to you, but it doesn't follow that therefore it is so not to others. That's what the essence of debate is; you say your piece, I say mine and let others judge what to make of it. If you are capable of debating, which members of this board presupposed to be until they prove otherwise, show by logic and analysis why something I or anyone else for that matter has said is nonsense. Anything less is as illuminating and useful as your useless assertion. is right in his analysis above. You habitually write nonsense. And you saturate us with the nonsense relentlessly! And you say things like you don't use dictionaries. Who the hell writes anything worth reading and says that they have transcended dictionaries? And you "dazzle" nobody. Stop embarrassing yourself. If anybody at ODM thinks of hiring you; they would be debasing that organization! At least Miguna has some brains. You don't even come close to him. And by the way, Gore lost that election because George Bush rigged him out in Florida. I would have been more forgiving here if I hadn't just seen the nonsense that you've posted on yet another one of your newly minted threads on the US election and Newt Gingrich. |
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Post by johns on Jan 27, 2012 2:55:48 GMT 3
omwenga
DW is right in his analysis above. You habitually write nonsense. And you saturate us with the nonsense relentlessly! And you say things like you don't use dictionaries. Who the hell writes anything worth reading and says that they have transcended dictionaries? And you "dazzle" nobody. Stop embarrassing yourself. If anybody at ODM thinks of hiring you; they would be debasing that organization! At least Miguna has some brains. You don't even come close to him.
And by the way, Gore lost that election because George Bush rigged him out in Florida.
I would have been more forgiving here if I hadn't just seen the nonsense that you've posted on yet another one of your newly minted threads on the US election and Newt Gingrich. [/quote]
Kathure,
This is unnecessary and purely uncalled for. You can disagree with Omwenga but you dont have to debase his mind and thought. I don't think you qualify as a shrink either.
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Post by moesha on Jan 27, 2012 4:00:19 GMT 3
omwengaDW is right in his analysis above. You habitually write nonsense. And you saturate us with the nonsense relentlessly! And you say things like you don't use dictionaries. Who the hell writes anything worth reading and says that they have transcended dictionaries? And you "dazzle" nobody. Stop embarrassing yourself. If anybody at ODM thinks of hiring you; they would be debasing that organization! At least Miguna has some brains. You don't even come close to him. And by the way, Gore lost that election because George Bush rigged him out in Florida. I would have been more forgiving here if I hadn't just seen the nonsense that you've posted on yet another one of your newly minted threads on the US election and Newt Gingrich. I agree That was uncalled for, and for someone with moderator privileges huh. |
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Post by moesha on Jan 27, 2012 4:11:32 GMT 3
Our country has a long way to go. There are many primitive people. Thats all I can say for now. This is delusional. Raila went to Central not that long ago and told folks to remember the good work of the government in bringing them the Thika highway. They were to vote for him because he had brought them maendeleo. This is the very same road which, elsewhere in the country, ODM claims as proof of Gikuyu ethnocentricity. On Jukwaa, Job claimed that it proved that Uhuru was stealing money from the Treasury. If you talk to ODMers, you'll be told crazy stories: one of them told a relative of mine that Gikuyu were so arrogant they had torn up the previous road so that they would get a new one. And this is a grown, educated professional. Why on earth would anyone vote for a party which tells these sorts of schizoid lies?
Why keep talking to ODM'ers if you know they tell crazy stories and Who the hell is forcing you to vote for ODM, a party with all sorts of "schizoid lies?" Last I checked there were many other parties to choose from, if you do not like what ODM has to offer, simply move on instead of peddling these tired lines in here. |
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Post by einstein on Jan 27, 2012 5:04:46 GMT 3
This is delusional. Raila went to Central not that long ago and told folks to remember the good work of the government in bringing them the Thika highway. They were to vote for him because he had brought them maendeleo. This is the very same road which, elsewhere in the country, ODM claims as proof of Gikuyu ethnocentricity. On Jukwaa, Job claimed that it proved that Uhuru was stealing money from the Treasury. If you talk to ODMers, you'll be told crazy stories: one of them told a relative of mine that Gikuyu were so arrogant they had torn up the previous road so that they would get a new one. And this is a grown, educated professional. Why on earth would anyone vote for a party which tells these sorts of schizoid lies?
Why keep talking to ODM'ers if you know they tell crazy stories and Who the hell is forcing you to vote for ODM, a party with all sorts of "schizoid lies?" Last I checked there were many other parties to choose from, if you do not like what ODM has to offer, simply move on instead of peddling these tired lines in here. Wow, don't I just LOVE that!! |
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 27, 2012 5:30:33 GMT 3
danieldotwaweruWhat is important, is the fact that I know I don't write nonsense, habitually or not. You can say otherwise over and over until go change color, it won't change that fact. You should stick to addressing issues and not merely characterizing what others say as nonsense. Let me hope I am not dazzling you with something you have never heard in saying what someone says may be nonsense to you, but it doesn't follow that therefore it is so not to others. That's what the essence of debate is; you say your piece, I say mine and let others judge what to make of it. If you are capable of debating, which members of this board presupposed to be until they prove otherwise, show by logic and analysis why something I or anyone else for that matter has said is nonsense. Anything less is as illuminating and useful as your useless assertion. is right in his analysis above. You habitually write nonsense. And you saturate us with the nonsense relentlessly! And you say things like you don't use dictionaries. Who the hell writes anything worth reading and says that they have transcended dictionaries? And you "dazzle" nobody. Stop embarrassing yourself. If anybody at ODM thinks of hiring you; they would be debasing that organization! At least Miguna has some brains. You don't even come close to him. And by the way, Gore lost that election because George Bush rigged him out in Florida. I would have been more forgiving here if I hadn't just seen the nonsense that you've posted on yet another one of your newly minted threads on the US election and Newt Gingrich. , I detect lots of hate and anger in your post and sincerely pray for you. I have dealt with a handful of haters and actually three of them I was able to confirm they are one and the same posting under different names but you, you are a first. Why? Because of what I wrote about Newt Gingrich as you say above? What did I say in that piece that had you going off which this much anger and hate? The truth is, like it or hate it, the quality of my analysis and contribution speaks for itself so there is no need to defend it. In fact, after responding to the nonsense from the person you are high-fiving over his nonsense, I made note to myself to no longer respond to ad hominem attacks. Let those who find comfort and solace in engaging in such attacks because they are unable or incapable of debating me or unable or incapable of rebutting my analysis, do so and I could could care less. I have more important things to do, including debating serious issues with people who are both serious and capable of doing so. I have made an exception to respond to you. BTW, is it the case you are one of the moderators of this board?  |
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Post by mank on Jan 27, 2012 5:32:58 GMT 3
This is delusional. Raila went to Central not that long ago and told folks to remember the good work of the government in bringing them the Thika highway. They were to vote for him because he had brought them maendeleo. This is the very same road which, elsewhere in the country, ODM claims as proof of Gikuyu ethnocentricity. On Jukwaa, Job claimed that it proved that Uhuru was stealing money from the Treasury. If you talk to ODMers, you'll be told crazy stories: one of them told a relative of mine that Gikuyu were so arrogant they had torn up the previous road so that they would get a new one. And this is a grown, educated professional. Why on earth would anyone vote for a party which tells these sorts of schizoid lies?
Why keep talking to ODM'ers if you know they tell crazy stories and Who the hell is forcing you to vote for ODM, a party with all sorts of "schizoid lies?" Last I checked there were many other parties to choose from, if you do not like what ODM has to offer, simply move on instead of peddling these tired lines in here. Do you mean Jukwaa is an ODM forum of discussion such that anything posted here is an address to "ODM'ers"? I thought Jukwaa provides its members an opportunity to express their opinions on issues, be the issues ODM, PNU, or whatever it is as long those issues appear on Jukwaa? If that thought is correct, then what is it that is wrong with what you are angrily reacting to? I think Jukwaa needs to be defended from the degradation your kind of outburst costs it. |
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 27, 2012 5:36:32 GMT 3
omwengaDW is right in his analysis above. You habitually write nonsense. And you saturate us with the nonsense relentlessly! And you say things like you don't use dictionaries. Who the hell writes anything worth reading and says that they have transcended dictionaries? And you "dazzle" nobody. Stop embarrassing yourself. If anybody at ODM thinks of hiring you; they would be debasing that organization! At least Miguna has some brains. You don't even come close to him. And by the way, Gore lost that election because George Bush rigged him out in Florida. I would have been more forgiving here if I hadn't just seen the nonsense that you've posted on yet another one of your newly minted threads on the US election and Newt Gingrich. Kathure, This is unnecessary and purely uncalled for. You can disagree with Omwenga but you dont have to debase his mind and thought. I don't think you qualify as a shrink either.[/quote] Johns,Thank you. Kathure,P.S. Can you find it within you (1) believe that I do what I do for the love of our country and not because I am interested in being appointed to any position and (2) get in your brains that even if I were, that should not be an excuse for you to engage in ad hominem attacks instead of debating the issues I raise or discuss? I am still in shock I am telling this to a person who is supposed to be a moderator. Unbelievable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2012 5:39:06 GMT 3
omwengaDW is right in his analysis above. You habitually write nonsense. And you saturate us with the nonsense relentlessly! And you say things like you don't use dictionaries. Who the hell writes anything worth reading and says that they have transcended dictionaries? And you "dazzle" nobody. Stop embarrassing yourself. If anybody at ODM thinks of hiring you; they would be debasing that organization! At least Miguna has some brains. You don't even come close to him. And by the way, Gore lost that election because George Bush rigged him out in Florida. I would have been more forgiving here if I hadn't just seen the nonsense that you've posted on yet another one of your newly minted threads on the US election and Newt Gingrich. , I detect lots of hate and anger in your post and sincerely pray for you. I have dealt with a handful of haters and actually three of them I was able to confirm they are one and the same posting under different names but you, you are a first. Why? Because of what I wrote about Newt Gingrich as you say above? What did I say in that piece that had you going off which this much anger and hate? The truth is, like it or hate it, the quality of my analysis and contribution speaks for itself so there is no need to defend it. In fact, after responding to the nonsense from the person you are high-fiving over his nonsense, I made note to myself to no longer respond to ad hominem attacks. Let those who find comfort and solace in engaging in such attacks because they are unable or incapable of debating me or unable or incapable of rebutting my analysis, do so and I could could care less. I have more important things to do, including debating serious issues with people who are both serious and capable of doing so. I have made an exception to respond to you. BTW, is it the case you are one of the moderators of this board?
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 27, 2012 6:37:03 GMT 3
If you are capable of debating, which members of this board presupposed to be until they prove otherwise, show by logic and analysis why something I or anyone else for that matter has said is nonsense. Anything less is as illuminating and useful as your useless assertion. Perhaps I've been insufficiently clear. Earlier, you told us that When the people who know you the best reject you, there is no reason those who don't know you that well should vote for you in a nationwide election. This is nonsense on two levels. The first is the implicit assumption that those who know you best are your kinsmen. The second is that very often, there are good reasons to go with someone who can't attract votes from their kinsmen. Obasanjo is a pretty good example: he was, and prolly still is, very unpopular in Yoruba-land because he was a Nigerian nationalist (of a paternal, militaristic kind, but still). He was so unpopular with his kinsmen that he lost the Yoruba vote by a landslide in the Presidential election of 1999, even as he won virtually everywhere else in the country. This is a clear case---and there are others---where a politician's lack of support in his ethnic backyard is exceptionally good reason to support him. That's why it's nonsense to suggest that a politician's inability to gather support from his kinsmen is a good reason not to vote him. , First, don't always assume my observation or comments are confined in application to Kenyan politics. Often, as in this case, I state a universal proposition that is applicable in most countries where democracy is practiced to some level. I can therefore assure you when I stated the proposition that the converse of not voting as a block against someone for tribal reasons, is for a candidate to be rejected in toto by those who would know him best, I did not have in mind and neither was I insinuating as you obviously erroneously concluded that "those who know you well are your kinsmen." Far from it. The proposition is this simple: In politics, and I am talking about politics in functioning democracies as opposed to other forms of government, a leader generally first establishes their credentials locally and then progresses along the ladder to the top. In fact, a subset of this theory holds that one must demonstrate leadership at his or her very home, measured by whether or not they have family and if they do, how well they have raised that family and/or are still taking care of it. That is precisely why in places such as the US, no bachelor has been elected to office and marital infidelity was previously deemed to be a disqualifying factor until Clinton came along and scaled that back and Newt Gingrich as very mus erased the issue as a major factor. I have seen someone payukaring about my latest piece on this issue, but I'll deal with that elsewhere. In the Kenyan context, stability and success in family life is equally an important factor in presidential leadership or in leadership, period, and will continue to be so even more in the future as the quality of those vying for office improves and these becomes important distinctions. All these considerations are key as one embarks on their political career, which must by definition start locally. When one fails to make it at the local level, there are any number of reasons that account for that but, be as it may be, once that is the case, it is extremely rare for one rejected at the local level to shortcut that process and make it to the top. And so it should be for it makes sense to take care of the small things before being given the responsibility to take care of bigger things. I gave an example of Al Gore and his inability to win his homestead of Tennessee as an example and saw the same person I reference above payukering that Al Gore did not win the election because Bush rigged him in Florida. What that person does not understand and I do not blame her because this is a point I was making that only those who understand fully the American political system would understand, including the fact that presidents are not elected by a majority of votes cast but by the number of electoral votes cast in the Electoral College after the general elections. Thus, had Gore won Tennessee, his home state, he would have enough electoral votes to win the presidency despite losing Florida. Second, your analogizing Obasanjo as a shining example why the widely accepted and practiced maxim a leader must first establish leadership locally before progressing or making it at the national stage is misplaced, if anything, because we don't study Nigeria as a model of of democracy. And, even if we did, there are several other reasons I can analyze for you why the Obasanjo example fails to support your unsupportable assertion that what I say is "nonsense" but I have no time for that other than to say for one Obasanjo was an ex-military general and ruler who peacefully and for the fist time transferred power to a civilian government only to return years later to run for president and rode to office on the strength of that fact alone and what all other advantages came with it, while his own people treated him as a traitor and cast their wasted votes on a fellow Yoruban who had no chance against him and his network. There is no other example you can cite with even close circumstances. Again, as I have told someone else, I need not defend my analysis or positions I take but I have taken the time to extrapolate on what I said just so you know I don't write nonsense and if you think it is, that's neither here or there as far as I am concerned. |
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 27, 2012 6:58:08 GMT 3
Kathure,, I detect lots of hate and anger in your post and sincerely pray for you. I have dealt with a handful of haters and actually three of them I was able to confirm they are one and the same posting under different names but you, you are a first. Why? Because of what I wrote about Newt Gingrich as you say above? What did I say in that piece that had you going off which this much anger and hate? The truth is, like it or hate it, the quality of my analysis and contribution speaks for itself so there is no need to defend it. In fact, after responding to the nonsense from the person you are high-fiving over his nonsense, I made note to myself to no longer respond to ad hominem attacks. Let those who find comfort and solace in engaging in such attacks because they are unable or incapable of debating me or unable or incapable of rebutting my analysis, do so and I could could care less. I have more important things to do, including debating serious issues with people who are both serious and capable of doing so. I have made an exception to respond to you. BTW, is it the case you are one of the moderators of this board?
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, Your apology is accepted and as far as I am concerned, this never happened. If you belong to any other forum I belong, you'll know I usually sign off my posts with "Peace, Love and Unity" or "Peace, Unity and Progress" or some other permutations not because they are just words at the end of my posts, but because I truly believe in them, particularly in connection with our beloved country I assume most of us are in these fora doing what we do to make it a better country and that's a more worthy cause that is prophylactic against the insults and other attacks we occasionally must endure in the hands of those who would wish we don't succeed in that mission. That's why I say I really don't care anymore about ad hominem attacks and will ignore them henceforth, except where I need not do that to protect my honor and integrity. I appreciate that you have done something one rarely sees and if folklore holds true, we now become the best of friends, but will probably agree to disagree civilly at times. ;D |
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 27, 2012 8:05:53 GMT 3
omwengaDW is right in his analysis above. You habitually write nonsense. And you saturate us with the nonsense relentlessly! And you say things like you don't use dictionaries. Who the hell writes anything worth reading and says that they have transcended dictionaries? And you "dazzle" nobody. Stop embarrassing yourself. If anybody at ODM thinks of hiring you; they would be debasing that organization! At least Miguna has some brains. You don't even come close to him. And by the way, Gore lost that election because George Bush rigged him out in Florida. I would have been more forgiving here if I hadn't just seen the nonsense that you've posted on yet another one of your newly minted threads on the US election and Newt Gingrich. I agree That was uncalled for, and for someone with moderator privileges huh. Thank you. Kathure has apologized but I appreciate what you said. |
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Post by foresight on Jan 27, 2012 14:03:52 GMT 3
Do you seriously think the Kalenjins will vote for UHURU if Ruto fails in his bid? Or the Kikuyus for Ruto if Uhuru fails?
Do you think KANU as a party will still have Uhuru as their candidate of choice after all this? Once the emotions are cooled, the wind of divine justice will sift the wheat.
In the end KENYA will be the winner, not UK not Ruto, not your tribes and definately not your prefered candidates. The works of darkness are now being exposed for all to see...JUSTICE... JUSTICE... JUSTICE..
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Post by b6k on Jan 27, 2012 14:11:19 GMT 3
omwengaI am apologizing for the tone and the choice of words I used with you. You and others who have called me out on this are right. I don't believe you when you say you don't care, because as a human being that would have bothered me. In the future, I will take a different approach in disagreeing with you and others. I hope this apology makes you feel better although it can't take away what I said.
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Aisalaaaala! Kathure, good for you! For a while there I was reading the missives thinking this is a case of blog imitating life. At least you've spared the CJ (OO) the need to convene an emergency Jukwaa Service Commission meeting to determine whether his DCJ's (aka moderator) conduct should lead to a tribunal. An immoderate moderator will have a very short shelf life, as Baraza has come to learn the hard way. Now how about those Central votes for Raila? |
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Post by njamba on Jan 27, 2012 14:30:33 GMT 3
affirmed,
we are on the same page what my other debators are forgetting to read is my caveat that for now the support is gone but raila may reclaim the 10% in the next 10 months. The G7 plan is still intact The plan is very simple they want to balkanize RV, Central, western and some parts of coast to deny raila the chance to win in the first round. Uhuru opponents in central PK and Maritha have no answer for Uhuru and Ruto wave. so they are left cluess and afraid of confronting enraged Uhuru camp. Unless someone with credibility with Central voters like Kimunya runs to spoil some votes for Uhuru things are thick for ODM
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Post by merlin on Jan 27, 2012 16:13:31 GMT 3
affirmed, we are on the same page what my other debators are forgetting to read is my caveat that for now the support is gone but raila may reclaim the 10% in the next 10 months. The G7 plan is still intact The plan is very simple they want to balkanize RV, Central, western and some parts of coast to deny raila the chance to win in the first round. Uhuru opponents in central PK and Maritha have no answer for Uhuru and Ruto wave. so they are left cluess and afraid of confronting enraged Uhuru camp. Unless someone with credibility with Central voters like Kimunya runs to spoil some votes for Uhuru things are thick for ODM It would be very tragic if your predictions will come true. In every society you will find murderers and other criminals though they are in the minority otherwise the society will collapse. If you predict 90 percent of the people in central will support a suspected murderer from their midst then this society will collapse in time. It will collapse by their own doing. I do not think this will happen. There is check and balances in every society and some other leaders will rise who will get the society back on track towards a better future probably surpassing societies who do not have these setbacks. |
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Post by njamba on Jan 27, 2012 18:27:13 GMT 3
Merlin,
Kikuyus feel they were mistreated by other tribes and thus they cannot trust anyone from outside. Ruto is just being used to get a Uhuru to power. The stakes for the community are high.
Whether a leader/s will emerge to steer Kikuyus away from ruto/uhuru camp is too complex for me to tell
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Post by Titchaz on Jan 27, 2012 18:51:07 GMT 3
Merlin, Kikuyus feel they were mistreated by other tribes and thus they cannot trust anyone from outside. Ruto is just being used to get a Uhuru to power. The stakes for the community are high. Whether a leader/s will emerge to steer Kikuyus away from ruto/uhuru camp is too complex for me to tell Heshima kwako mkuu mwenzangu. Now you kn ow this thing you say that Kikuyus 'feel' is not true. The center of power has twice been in the hands of a Kikuyu president and the only other time it was in the hands of Moi, a Kalenjin.Sasa hio phobia of the other tribes inatokea wapi? When did a coastal mistreat a Kikuyu? When did a NEP fella mistreat a Kikuyu? When did a luhya mistreat a Kikuyu? Hapo ndugu yangu ndio mimi napata shida ya kuelewa. Shukran. |
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Post by njamba on Jan 27, 2012 19:06:48 GMT 3
When PEV was going on weren't Kikuyus getting evicted all over Kenya?
So that is the mistreatment I am alluding to..
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