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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 7, 2012 0:41:59 GMT 3
b6k,
I googled the name Michael Rigby (author of your article) and what came up was information about a Florida fugitive called Michael Rigby- one of America's most wanted. who is your informant?
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 7, 2012 0:52:07 GMT 3
tnk,I read that and it is obviously media types who were salivating for something yesterday and got nothing because they were not allowed in the meeting. How on earth would ODM candidates go campaigning for months and then decide to pick a candidate without a vote. That is dead as a dodo even if somebody propped it up. ODM is not that stupid. My sense is that there is a big drive to invent this big thing between Raila and Mudavadi and this emminent split and so far nothing really concrete has come up. I was expecting fireworks from yesterday's meeting say with a demand for a universal suffrage voting by members the way Kalonzo wanted. That is how you break a party. Make impossible demands. In this case both sides rejected such idea. So basically the delegates will vote. Then there has been this notion that the party is desperately divided between a NDC vote and delegates voting at county levels. So far it looks obvious the delegates will vote at the county level. It is cheaper and makes a lot of sense. The thing to note is that it is the same delegates who will vote. Why would it matter so much where they vote. It seems both candidates have agreed to keep the delegates list as it is. In reality I think there is a lot of busy bodies trying to get some work, then we have the usual mischief from those resigned to the hope that ODM splits and then we have the media which is spoiling for a big fight and so far not getting much. One of these days I am going to have a chat with my ODM friends in Nairobi to find out where things are. There is too much fitina from the media and most of it is hot air. ODM scares a lot of people and now we have folks saying, oh give us Mudavadi so we can abandon our Hague friends.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 7, 2012 1:41:45 GMT 3
TNK, This is what we have always talked about. If you had never known that crooks actually run this party, now you have it. That is why Mudavadi is a marked man and must have plan B. They are going to do everything in and outside the book including inserting articles into the constitution to make sure that Mudavadi is not the nominee. But as I said earlier, that article Orengo is referring to does not make party leader the automatic presidential nominee. My reading of it is that whomever is nominated the presidential candidate becomes the automatic party leader. This is why the Ruto angle makes a lot of sense. Where is Ms Elderkin to reframe this for us?
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Post by einstein on Mar 7, 2012 2:18:07 GMT 3
Please give us the correct link. The one above is about "Jurisdiction, Admissibility And Impartiality: Reflections On The Icc Ruling" and not about "Mudavadi's courageous bid to be the flag-bearer." B6K,Meanwhile, am still waiting for the correct link as requested above about your claims.
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2012 6:41:38 GMT 3
b6k, I googled the name Michael Rigby (author of your article) and what came up was information about a Florida fugitive called Michael Rigby- one of America's most wanted. who is your informant? Akinyi, so you google an Odiero's name (one called Michael no less) & are surprised when you get hits of other Odiero's with similar names? I have no words. My "informant" is The Nairobi Law Monthly article I copy-pasted above.
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2012 7:05:41 GMT 3
Please give us the correct link. The one above is about "Jurisdiction, Admissibility And Impartiality: Reflections On The Icc Ruling" and not about "Mudavadi's courageous bid to be the flag-bearer." B6K,Meanwhile, am still waiting for the correct link as requested above about your claims. Einstein, at times you really do your handle a disservice. The reason I copy-pasted the entire article above is because the link I copied from it appears corrupted & takes you to the wrong article as you rightfully noted. Copying it again would only give the same result. In the interest of openness, let me chew for you like mothers used to chew for their weening babes in days of yore. Go to the Nairobi Law Monthly homepage. Select the "Focus" tab at the top. You will find Mike Rigby's Mudavadi article & the Jurisdiction & Admissibility articles there amongst others. Nothing earth shattering there except the plain old truth, my guy.
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Post by tnk on Mar 7, 2012 9:07:10 GMT 3
b6k its not that hard to ask for help soma hapa
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Post by b6k on Mar 7, 2012 10:13:01 GMT 3
b6k its not that hard to ask for help soma hapa TNK, thanks. You're a star.
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Post by nereah on Mar 7, 2012 15:03:55 GMT 3
nok & all ;D
could it be possible to start another thread on odm presidential elections so that we don't dilute the gist of this compelling thread that i thoroughly enjoy? or we alter the title to make it all encompassing?
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Post by einstein on Mar 7, 2012 16:13:40 GMT 3
b6k its not that hard to ask for help soma hapa TNK,It is easier to insult others than to ask them for help. That is how our world works. It is a shame really. Thanks for assisting B6K.
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Post by nok on Mar 7, 2012 20:42:15 GMT 3
Reminds me of ODM Primaries.
The similarities are just unbelievable.
Muds = Romney ;D Just kidding
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Post by nok on Apr 16, 2012 16:43:12 GMT 3
I guess I was wrong to think that Mudavadi is ODM damu. I would still advice ODM not to burn any bridges towards Mudavadi, Just incase the scenario of a run-off between Raila and someone else ( lets say Kalonzo ) comes up. ODM should also factor in
post elections coalitions.
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Post by nok on May 2, 2012 14:40:18 GMT 3
Mudavadi the son of Trojan !
The question remains who's horse are you ?
G7 or ODM
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Post by nok on May 2, 2012 14:44:04 GMT 3
;D ;D Funny indeed.
Still I remain a Railamaniac, The best Ali Baba in town
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Post by nok on May 3, 2012 22:46:05 GMT 3
Mudavadi's next move will be to pick a Gema running mate.
Most likely Kimunya or an insider like him. Alternatively he may also go for
Abdikadir.
In making this decision he will be forced by the shadows behind his current
manouvers ( Moi-Museveni-Kibaki ).
That's why I think Raila should be wise to look for alternatives in the following
areas; Reformist with national appeal ( Most difficult; Martha Karua ) , RV;
with tribal maths
as a motivation ( possible); by Mudavadi leaving and joining the Impunity
Barons, the Kalenjin voting block is up for grabs. Or A woman with Gema links
(Most promising) e.g Margeret Wanjiru
1. She is Gema, A woman and brings the church factor too and she is a fighter.
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Post by nok on Jul 31, 2012 13:15:50 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Sept 27, 2012 15:58:27 GMT 3
! I don't need no "Piriton"
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 27, 2012 17:05:14 GMT 3
! I don't need no "Piriton" Mudavadi = Uhuru's protégé most Kenyans now are aware.. central vote all goes to Mudavadi.. but they forget he need votes from Western, Rift Valley, Nyanza, Coast e.t.c.. and that is why Uhuru is busy running around working it under TNT then there will be an announcement between TNT and Mudavadi's party on the party coalition partnership.. The fools are going to be those parties like Ford-K ( Wamalwa's party and Ruto's party which will partner with TNT when infact a presidential candidate has already been chosen by Uhuru"TNT named Musalia Mudavadi.. who already has been promised central blocked vote as Rumour has it and told to campaign but lay low and not to form any alliances with other parties and wait for a green light from "TNT" I guess Rift Valley Province and Western province if not careful will be duped big time .. to vote Mudavadi Uhuru's protégé who will have to pay back big time to Uhuru & Co if he were to grace the Corridors of STATEHOUSE .. ;D
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Post by mzee on Sept 27, 2012 17:17:09 GMT 3
Reporter, I know that there is talk of uhuru dropping out for Mudavadi or even Ruto. But this is just a figment of peoples imagination. Nothing of that kind will ever happen. I predict that even if the Hague issue were to block uhuru majority of centralians would not embrace Mudumb.
The central votes would not even be up for grabs as karua and co are waiting and praying for such an eventuality.
Having said that, I have always held the belief that uhuru is a playa. He played ruto and left him for the dead. Now he is playing Mudavadi like kinanda. Someone is due to cry in this relationship and I know its not UK.
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 27, 2012 18:39:37 GMT 3
Reporter, I know that there is talk of uhuru dropping out for Mudavadi or even Ruto. But this is just a figment of peoples imagination. Nothing of that kind will ever happen. I predict that even if the Hague issue were to block uhuru majority of centralians would not embrace Mudumb. The central votes would not even be up for grabs as karua and co are waiting and praying for such an eventuality. Having said that, I have always held the belief that uhuru is a playa. He played ruto and left him for the dead. Now he is playing Mudavadi like kinanda. Someone is due to cry in this relationship and I know its not UK. Mzee I beg to differ yet again.. rumours on the ground and through the diaspora and word of mouth.. Central province is voting Mudavadi on the presidential ballot.. they all know and have been advised Kenyans are not ready for another central province prezo.. even chatting with people from central province it is very surprising to hear them say that Mudavadi is the guy they are voting for.. this is not just idle talk.. they are serious and I tend to believe what I hear.. unless I can get or hear anything to convince me otherwise.. The way Uhuru plans to bring in Mudavadi in his fold still remains to be seen.. TNT is doing the ground work for him.. because they know that they have to have enough votes from Western, Rift Valley, Coast provinces.. e.t.c if they can gain votes from these provinces and the central block vote for Mudavadi then the dynamics will play out. they just have to partner with two more parties and that will give them a chance.. The parties like Wamalwa's & Ruto will be taken for a ride if they can't see through Uhuru & Co master plan.. THE PLAN IS THE PROCESS AND IT MIGHT JUST WORK IF OTHER PARTIES ARE CLUELESS TO WHAT UHURU'S END GAME IS ABOUT.. MUDAVADI IS THE PROTÉGÉ The chosen one make no mistake about that.. watch this space.. people I never knew would vote out of central province are now firmly saying they will vote for Mudavadi.. this are hard-core central province voters.. WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE..
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Post by nereah on Oct 21, 2012 12:16:59 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Dec 3, 2012 11:16:44 GMT 3
There is going to be the formation of the Super Alliance constituting:- The Western alliance lead by UDF'S Mudavadi, Kenneth's KNC , Tuju's POA, Kipyator's NVP, Koechs UDM, Gideons KANUMudavadi will be their presidential Candidate and i presume Kenneth will be his deputy. In March we shall go for elections with a 3 horse race. It's going to be really close. And we shall head to a runoff. The ICC and our submarine western Masters ( being lead by the CIA ) will complicate issues for TNA/URP; So I predict that we shall have ODM-Wiper against Mudavadi's super alliance in Round 2. And as usual the Kalenjin will be on the wrong side of history. They just seem never to learn from their mistakes. And don't say I didn't tell you I wish Jukwaa and all Lurkers interesting times ahead. Yours, Native of Kenya
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 3, 2012 21:08:14 GMT 3
There is going to be the formation of the Super Alliance constituting:- The Western alliance lead by UDF'S Mudavadi, Kenneth's KNC , Tuju's POA, Kipyator's NVP, Koechs UDM, Gideons KANUMudavadi will be their presidential Candidate and i presume Kenneth will be his deputy. In March we shall go for elections with a 3 horse race. It's going to be really close. And we shall head to a runoff. The ICC and our submarine western Masters ( being lead by the CIA ) will complicate issues for TNA/URP; So I predict that we shall have ODM-Wiper against Mudavadi's super alliance in Round 2. And as usual the Kalenjin will be on the wrong side of history. They just seem never to learn from their mistakes. And don't say I didn't tell you I wish Jukwaa and all Lurkers interesting times ahead. Yours, Native of Kenya Wait a minute you forgot wiper and Wamalwa ;D
Tuju - Nyanza? what does he brng on the table?
Gideon - Kanu? I thought rift valley throw them out?
Mudavadi - Western - not a chance with Ford, ford-k and ODM still standing
Peter Kenneth - rags to riches- central - Uhuru'TNT" / Martha Karua have most votes.
So what votes are they really counting on? what votes are they going to pull together
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Post by nok on Dec 4, 2012 14:01:21 GMT 3
The 3rd Force
Mudavadi - Kenneth - Tuju - Wamalwa
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Post by Mobimba on Dec 4, 2012 15:03:38 GMT 3
Nok, if what you lay down is accurate, I’d be curious to see what Wamalwa ends up with. He cannot deputize Mudavadi who cannot deputize PK who in turn cannot deputize Wamalwa. These guys are in a fix.
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