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Post by topnotch on Mar 4, 2012 7:15:49 GMT 3
Retired President Daniel arap Moi caused a stir at the funeral of businessman and politician Njenga Karume on Saturday with another endorsement of Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta for the country’s top leadership.
Mr Moi’s political statement and euphemism changed the tone of the proceedings and marked the highlight of the funeral at Cianda near Kiambu attended by the who is who of Kenyan politics, business, the civil service and the entire top commanders of the Kenya Defence Forces.
Although there was an allusion to the politics suggested by Mr Moi, the majority of the leaders dedicated their speeches to eulogise Mr Karume, who was cosy with all three Kenya’s Presidents.
President Moi’s endorsement echoed his unsuccessful bid to have Mr Kenyatta replace him at State House when his term ended in 2002.
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Post by b6k on Mar 4, 2012 7:50:10 GMT 3
Topnotch that was really out of the blue by the prof of politics. The Uhuru endorsement really underscores what is wrong with KE politics. Does Moi really believe that 10 years on, Uhuru is the ONLY leader for KE? This is why KE seems stuck in a political time warp with wazee who are finally going where they ought to be clinging to the reins of power or desperately trying to influence outcomes into ways that suit their archaic mindsets.
Another bizarre moment during the funeral was the hearty cheer that one WSR received when Marende was calling out MPigs present at the proceedings by name. Tres bizarre....
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Post by topnotch on Mar 4, 2012 8:02:26 GMT 3
Topnotch that was really out of the blue by the prof of politics. The Uhuru endorsement really underscores what is wrong with KE politics. Does Moi really believe that 10 years on, Uhuru is the ONLY leader for KE? This is why KE seems stuck in a political time warp with wazee who are finally going where they ought to be clinging to the reins of power or desperately trying to influence outcomes into ways that suit their archaic mindsets. Another bizarre moment during the funeral was the hearty cheer that one WSR received when Marende was calling out MPigs present at the proceedings by name. Tres bizarre.... Moi is the type of man who believes he can never go wrong. Project Uhuru II is his way of convincing himself that he, indeed, cannot go wrong. Time will tell. As for the mourners cheering on WSR, that was expected. At each given time, the society creates a Njamba to go with their moods. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 4, 2012 8:15:43 GMT 3
This funeral, unlike Michuki's, was laden with very heavy political undertones. I think mainly because the fallen mzee was the main GEMA architect and there was an anointment of his replacement albeit covertly. The anointee took it up and demonstrated why he is the one with Kibaki acting as the prefect to the pretenders.
The choreography was very carefully done and one could not be blamed for thinking that the crowd had been coached.
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 4, 2012 13:56:22 GMT 3
Topnotch that was really out of the blue by the prof of politics. The Uhuru endorsement really underscores what is wrong with KE politics. Does Moi really believe that 10 years on, Uhuru is the ONLY leader for KE? This is why KE seems stuck in a political time warp with wazee who are finally going where they ought to be clinging to the reins of power or desperately trying to influence outcomes into ways that suit their archaic mindsets. Another bizarre moment during the funeral was the hearty cheer that one WSR received when Marende was calling out MPigs present at the proceedings by name. Tres bizarre.... Moi is the type of man who believes he can never go wrong. Project Uhuru II is his way of convincing himself that he, indeed, cannot go wrong. Time will tell. As for the mourners cheering on WSR, that was expected. At each given time, the society creates a Njamba to go with their moods. I believe somewhere on Jukwaa, our invicible marksman and sniper tnk, has linked an article from the star, where the younger Moi, Gedeon, blasts Uhuru Kenyatta. It appears there is a difference of opinion between two generations of the Moi clan. But who will prevail? who has a better ear on the ground? Well, Raila couldn't let it pass, he countered in all wicked gentility, to the laughter of the crowd, and Kibaki had to chip in ---'Hizo mambo tunajua... kwani mnafikiri tutaenda wapi??' It is campaign season, and I doubt the bills to be enacted before the elections are in these fellas minds. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 14:12:20 GMT 3
One of the videos posted around this funeral shows some guy talking about security and screening for mourners to the funeral. Boy, a man abandons his son and even at death this son must be kept away. Thuo should have been able to attend his "father's" funeral.
I couldn't believe that Moi was blatatley tosharing Uhuru. Uhuru looked very contented with himself. For a few minutes he forgot that he is aKaterina's 4.
I thought that Kenyans have basically been rewarding Moi for having destroyed the country where Kenyatta left off. Perhaps, in the future we can come about ways to put those financial payments to a stop. Cut off his retirement funds and perks and use the $$ to compensate all those who have and will be suing the state for the crimes authorized by him.
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Post by serikalileo on Mar 4, 2012 17:18:31 GMT 3
Its quite in order for moi to realise his dream of president UK as this will surely be returning a hand to JOMOs family.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 4, 2012 19:18:01 GMT 3
Topnotch that was really out of the blue by the prof of politics. The Uhuru endorsement really underscores what is wrong with KE politics. Does Moi really believe that 10 years on, Uhuru is the ONLY leader for KE? This is why KE seems stuck in a political time warp with wazee who are finally going where they ought to be clinging to the reins of power or desperately trying to influence outcomes into ways that suit their archaic mindsets. Another bizarre moment during the funeral was the hearty cheer that one WSR received when Marende was calling out MPigs present at the proceedings by name. Tres bizarre.... Moi is the type of man who believes he can never go wrong. Project Uhuru II is his way of convincing himself that he, indeed, cannot go wrong. Time will tell. As for the mourners cheering on WSR, that was expected. At each given time, the society creates a Njamba to go with their moods. Moi has actually been right on quite a number of the things he has warned Kenyans on. Good one is the tribalism that multi-party politics brought us! |
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Post by mank on Mar 4, 2012 19:48:10 GMT 3
.... Kibaki had to chip in ---'Hizo mambo tunajua (siasa twazijua)... kwani mnafikiri tutaenda wapi??'... In essence Kibaki found a moment to express his direction of wishes for the top post. No need to ask him "nani tosha" any more. |
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Post by job on Mar 4, 2012 20:20:15 GMT 3
The coming together of old and young forces of impunity - with the hope of continued perpetuation of the status quo is a welcome and fantastic development. As reforms threaten to kick in, the conservative old guard increasingly gets nervous; unable to resist the urge of imposing upon us the next leadership.
That is - leadership they're sure would forestall the supposed reforms. These folks have the ultimate need to safeguard their ill-gotten land and wealth. A safe custodian must ensure a tight lid is kept on their buried skeletons...even upon their demise...and who comes in more handier than ICC-accused Uhuru Kenyatta?
Signs of change have been particularly discomforting to this generation. That today, the Nairobi Law Monthly can splash on its headlines, the bombshell story : "Jonathan Moi Raped and Killed Julie Ward" signals the kind of worries that Keep Mzee Moi up at night. Reforms are threatening the good'ol era when media suppression was vogue. Tweaking of the Judiciary now has Phillip Moi hiding from an arrest warrant in hospital...as millions of shillings in child-and-spousal-support pile up against his name. This is certainly not the kind of Kenya Moi envisioned for his aristocratic offsprings.
The nervousness with which Moi and his ilk see the Kenyan society evolving (epitomized by the passage of the new Constitution) obviously prods their mind to wander at which 'young' protectors can carry the can for them towards their sunset moments. Decisions have to be made fast...dithering is not an option...considering that the octagenarian generation are lately going, one after another. It must have been painful for these conservative elders to witness the passing of a more recent media suppressionist - their colleage John Michuki.
Karume's burial was not to be a missed opportunity....to relaunch phase II of the Moi project. It appears Moi is keen to steal the thunder - of thrusting Kalenjin support to Uhuru - from one William Ruto. If Ruto already announced last week that the Kalenjin have no problem voting for a Kikuyu (read Uhuru); why would Moi want to overtly and explicitly pronounce his support for Uhuru.
It is likely that Moi has more stake(s) to be protected by Uhuru; probably even angling that his son Gideon replace Ruto in Uhuru's succesion team; probably also praying that ICC nabs Ruto while freeing Uhuru for the scheme to proceed unscathed. I wonder what the ordinary Kalenjin peasant - the voter - thinks about these developments by the aristocrats who sit on thousands of acres of their prime land? On the national scene, this a very welcome development indeed. The deception about the concept of generational change is being laid bare right before the public eye.
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Post by b6k on Mar 4, 2012 21:15:55 GMT 3
Moi has actually been right on quite a number of the things he has warned Kenyans on. Good one is the tribalism that multi-party politics brought us! The old goat started the whole mess. A self-fulfilling prophecy is very easy to immanentize when you're an all powerful despot arming your rural folk with bows & arrows from Korea & setting up bullet factories in your tribal capital. He should consider himself very lucky he's still a free man. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 22:07:22 GMT 3
Moi is the type of man who believes he can never go wrong. Project Uhuru II is his way of convincing himself that he, indeed, cannot go wrong. Time will tell. As for the mourners cheering on WSR, that was expected. At each given time, the society creates a Njamba to go with their moods. Moi has actually been right on quite a number of the things he has warned Kenyans on. Good one is the tribalism that multi-party politics brought us! , when people are lying they often expose themselves for just who they are. your comment about moi, multiparty politics and triabalism is laughable dude! yani, it's just funny. a cartoonist could have a field day with it. |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 5, 2012 5:00:52 GMT 3
Retired President Daniel arap Moi caused a stir at the funeral of businessman and politician Njenga Karume on Saturday with another endorsement of Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta for the country’s top leadership. Mr Moi’s political statement and euphemism changed the tone of the proceedings and marked the highlight of the funeral at Cianda near Kiambu attended by the who is who of Kenyan politics, business, the civil service and the entire top commanders of the Kenya Defence Forces. Although there was an allusion to the politics suggested by Mr Moi, the majority of the leaders dedicated their speeches to eulogise Mr Karume, who was cosy with all three Kenya’s Presidents. President Moi’s endorsement echoed his unsuccessful bid to have Mr Kenyatta replace him at State House when his term ended in 2002. There cannot be any doubt there are true or academic Historians on Jukwaa--not the makeshift ones like the rest of us---but the true Historians; what, if anything did they made or have they make of the so-called "Moi's endorsement?" I have just seen this thread but have they expressed an interpretation of what it was (I know the pronouncement was not received well either by design or by fate) but am curious to know if any of them expressed a view or is it one of those things we must await passage of time so the rest of us can in hindsight say what it was and therefore become the makeshift "historians" as it were? My own lay interpretation is it was a Freudian slip. Which also speaks volumes given his other otherwise stellar farewell at Michuki's and his capturing the audience even by his clearing his throat and the rest which I summed up on the other thread. And for the burying of two men with equal stature in their own respects within days of each other. ... Digest this in light of the President's (ominous/supporting/neutral) words: Siasa hizo tunazijua; hata hivyo siasa nyingie tuazijua na tutazidi kua nazo...kwani munafikiri tutaenda wapi? Na mnafikiri watu watakuwa watu wangine mpya; hapana, wapi, bure, tutakuwa pale vile tulivyo, jambo tungejukua ni mfano wa Njenga; mfano wake; kujaribu vile yeye alifanya manake yeye tangu zamani ukiwa wewe ulimjua tangu lini….wengine mulizaliwa majuzi pengineStill very curious to know what the historians will make of this today and in the future---today or more immediately relative to 2012 viz 2002 and the "Uhuru Project" or its attempted reincarnation? Conflicts between the mind and the conscious--and one must always prevail. |
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Post by emali on Mar 5, 2012 9:03:15 GMT 3
Moi with his usual pesa nane to bilioni moja political pronouncements...always trying to stay relevant not to be missed was Kibaki’s squirming & uneasiness when the camera shifted to him as if to say ‘can you die already old man’...
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Post by mbuta on Mar 5, 2012 9:17:12 GMT 3
I think Moi has unwittingly robbed Uhuru of some votes by endorsing him. If I were Uhuru, I would stay as far away as possible from the old man...
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 5, 2012 10:15:07 GMT 3
Moi actually never endorsed Uhuru and certainly hypocrisy should seize in all form of manners - If you go through the clip very well he just suggested to the central people that with Michuki and Njenga gone they can bank on Uhuru to take the leadership mantle .
Why is it that when Moi attended Railas wedding he is celebrated and when he attends Njengas Funeral he is condemned ? Is Uhuru and Ruto a threat to Railas presidency ..... Raila should just ignore UhuRuto and might achieve his lifelong dream
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Post by phil on Mar 5, 2012 18:24:00 GMT 3
Moi Denies Endorsing Uhuru
Now, former President Daniel arap Moi has beaten a hasty retreat, denying he has endorsed Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta for presidency. In a statement sent to newsrooms, the former President said he only mentioned Uhuru Kenyatta within the context of Central Kenya where two of its key leaders had died.
Once again, the retired President is in the news once again over a statement he is alleged to made during the burial of the late former minister Njenga Karume endorsing Uhuru Kenyatta for the country's coveted seat.
The statement from his press secretary Lee Njiru says he only mentioned Kenyatta in the context of Central Kenya politics which had lost two of its key leaders, John Michuki and Njenga Karume within one week. During the burial ceremony, the former President caused a stir in his off the cuff speech in what appeared to be endorsing Uhuru Kenyatta for the second time. Former President Moi openly backed and campaigned for Kenyatta when he was retiring in 2002, a move that led to the near death of the former ruling party Kanu after a mass walk-out by key leaders.
According to the former President, he can not single out the candidate to support as there are many other candidates vying for the position. Moi said he only mentioned Kenyatta as the possible replacement of the other departed leaders from Central Kenya. |
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Post by nok on Mar 5, 2012 18:43:56 GMT 3
I have watched these videos over and over but I must say I
really didn't get the endorsement.
If indeed there was one, then I wan't to ask the following
question;
Why didn't he then endorse his own son GIDEON for that
matter ?
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Post by mank on Mar 5, 2012 19:25:14 GMT 3
.... Digest this in light of the President's (ominous/supporting/neutral) words:
Siasa hizo tunazijua; hata hivyo siasa nyingie tuazijua na tutazidi kua nazo...kwani munafikiri tutaenda wapi? Na mnafikiri watu watakuwa watu wangine mpya; hapana, wapi, bure, tutakuwa pale vile tulivyo, ....
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Post by mank on Mar 5, 2012 19:31:50 GMT 3
Moi Denies Endorsing Uhuru
Now, former President Daniel arap Moi has beaten a hasty retreat, denying he has endorsed Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta for presidency. In a statement sent to newsrooms, the former President said he only mentioned Uhuru Kenyatta within the context of Central Kenya where two of its key leaders had died.
Once again, the retired President is in the news once again over a statement he is alleged to made during the burial of the late former minister Njenga Karume endorsing Uhuru Kenyatta for the country's coveted seat.
The statement from his press secretary Lee Njiru says he only mentioned Kenyatta in the context of Central Kenya politics which had lost two of its key leaders, John Michuki and Njenga Karume within one week. During the burial ceremony, the former President caused a stir in his off the cuff speech in what appeared to be endorsing Uhuru Kenyatta for the second time. Former President Moi openly backed and campaigned for Kenyatta when he was retiring in 2002, a move that led to the near death of the former ruling party Kanu after a mass walk-out by key leaders.
According to the former President, he can not single out the candidate to support as there are many other candidates vying for the position. Moi said he only mentioned Kenyatta as the possible replacement of the other departed leaders from Central Kenya. The old man is straddling bets. He's not from Central, and there were Central Elders at the function. As far as Central issues are concerned he was a guest, and would not therefore make public announcements regarding where Central leadership pointed. He was talking about the presidency, but of course he cannot be sure Uhuru will win - so he's reminded himself to not put all his eggs in one basket. |
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Post by senoir on Mar 6, 2012 0:51:19 GMT 3
My understanding is that Mo1 was endorsing Uhuru for central leadership. I didn't think he was talking national leadership. I also don't believe in political endorsements. I don't believe at this pont they add any thing to Uhurus presidential bid. Last time i checked He caused alot of resentment after making Uhuru his preffered successor both to himself and Uhuru.
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Post by job on Mar 6, 2012 1:20:20 GMT 3
My understanding is that Mo1 was endorsing Uhuru for central leadership. I didn't think he was talking national leadership. I also don't believe in political endorsements. I don't believe at this pont they add any thing to Uhurus presidential bid. Last time i checked He caused alot of resentment after making Uhuru his preffered successor both to himself and Uhuru. Is Moi an elder or leader of Central Kenya - to endorse Uhuru for Central's leadership? That's the fallacy! Moi can't pretend to walk back from his Uhuru-Kenya Project II. Similarly Uhuru Kenyatta should stop pouring cold water or running away from Moi's daylight endorsement - hiyo ni bad manners! Say thank you baba and move on. This video shows a different & special baba murdered by another vicious baba.In these days when Moi is supposedly the endorsing authority for Central's leadership, watch this short documentary on JM Kariuki and pay attention to what Waruru Kanja says - " makes him sick" @ 13:00 minutes. In his words; "Some of the people you worship today!!"..."When I remember where they were (during the struggle)"... JM's daughter made her tearful presentation to the TJRC this Monday (5th March, 2012). |
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Post by topnotch on Mar 6, 2012 18:00:37 GMT 3
Moi Denies Endorsing Uhuru
Now, former President Daniel arap Moi has beaten a hasty retreat, denying he has endorsed Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta for presidency. In a statement sent to newsrooms, the former President said he only mentioned Uhuru Kenyatta within the context of Central Kenya where two of its key leaders had died.
Once again, the retired President is in the news once again over a statement he is alleged to made during the burial of the late former minister Njenga Karume endorsing Uhuru Kenyatta for the country's coveted seat.
The statement from his press secretary Lee Njiru says he only mentioned Kenyatta in the context of Central Kenya politics which had lost two of its key leaders, John Michuki and Njenga Karume within one week. During the burial ceremony, the former President caused a stir in his off the cuff speech in what appeared to be endorsing Uhuru Kenyatta for the second time. Former President Moi openly backed and campaigned for Kenyatta when he was retiring in 2002, a move that led to the near death of the former ruling party Kanu after a mass walk-out by key leaders.
According to the former President, he can not single out the candidate to support as there are many other candidates vying for the position. Moi said he only mentioned Kenyatta as the possible replacement of the other departed leaders from Central Kenya. The old man is straddling bets. He's not from Central, and there were Central Elders at the function. As far as Central issues are concerned he was a guest, and would not therefore make public announcements regarding where Central leadership pointed. He was talking about the presidency, but of course he cannot be sure Uhuru will win - so he's reminded himself to not put all his eggs in one basket. Mank You are very right. Moi says he cannot endorse anyone for national leadership since there are other candidates interested in the same.. Was that not the case in 2002? And, even if we are to believe his excuse-does it mean there are no ther candidates interested central Kenya leadership too? The old man is playing us for dumb. He realized there was lack of enthusiasm for his endorsement. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 6, 2012 19:39:17 GMT 3
I am not so sure that a Moi Project II tag helps Uhuru. Kenyans are looking for a new path. Moi may be safe in his retirement but Kenyans know he is part of the reason the country is facing so many problems. People are not stupid. They know exactly who Moi is and what his interests in the Kenyan presidentcy is. It is for him and he knows Uhuru would still do his biding. Moi is still looking out for himself.
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Post by foresight on Mar 8, 2012 5:24:34 GMT 3
Moi endorsement or NON ENDORSEMENT of Uhuru tells you indirectly of what he thinks of Ruto. If that endorsement continue to do rounds then we can confirm that Uhuru is in trouble with Kanu Kalenjin.
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