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Post by Titchaz on Mar 29, 2012 1:26:31 GMT 3
Shariff Nassir Jr....Balala's replacement in Mvita.
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Post by mangai on Mar 29, 2012 10:39:27 GMT 3
A few observations come to mind 1. I have not seen Ministers, their assistants or even ordinary mps from PNU openly castigating and criticising Kibaki (save for Karua and Mungatana) as ODM ones do to Raila. When he finally decides to take action and instil discipline in the party, he is labelled a dictator. Is it because Raila is not ‘the appointing authority’ as some people claim or do they do it by hiding behind Kibaki and knowing pretty well that Raila cannot sack them without the former’s approval. I have in mind this assertion by Balala: -
“It is interesting that when the two want to deal with selfish interests, they sit down and agree, but when it comes to matters of national interest, they come out fighting in public,” Mr Balala said.
2. Balala’s Muslim backers might unknowingly be introducing religious intolerance in the country. The constitution only recognises regional and gender balance in appointments but does not, for good reasons, ascribe much to religion. If we did, then we’ll be looking to balance even within Christian faith as between Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Adventists etc. Are Taitas (or Dan Mwazo for that matter) not entitled to any ministerial appointment simply because they happen to be Christians?
When almost 50% of IEBC commissioners appointed happened to be Muslims, the Christians who are the majority in the country did not consider it an issue.
Isn’t it also ironical that the same Raila who is now accused of being anti-Muslims is also accused in some quarters as having in his office the Mohamed Isahakhias and Abdul Mwaseras of this world, Muslims, who are said to be calling the shots at the office?
Truth be told. The infamous MoU that they are now talking about was distorted and in fact used as propaganda to erode some of Raila’s support as we approached the last elections. Looked at critically, it was a double edged sword.
3. Balala’s discontent in ODM started when he was edged out by Hassan Joho to national office. He felt Raila did not do much to ‘push’ him through during the elections.
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 29, 2012 14:13:13 GMT 3
A few observations come to mind 1. I have not seen Ministers, their assistants or even ordinary mps from PNU openly castigating and criticising Kibaki (save for Karua and Mungatana) as ODM ones do to Raila. When he finally decides to take action and instil discipline in the party, he is labelled a dictator. Is it because Raila is not ‘the appointing authority’ as some people claim or do they do it by hiding behind Kibaki and knowing pretty well that Raila cannot sack them without the former’s approval. I have in mind this assertion by Balala: - “It is interesting that when the two want to deal with selfish interests, they sit down and agree, but when it comes to matters of national interest, they come out fighting in public,” Mr Balala said. 2. Balala’s Muslim backers might unknowingly be introducing religious intolerance in the country. The constitution only recognises regional and gender balance in appointments but does not, for good reasons, ascribe much to religion. If we did, then we’ll be looking to balance even within Christian faith as between Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Adventists etc. Are Taitas (or Dan Mwazo for that matter) not entitled to any ministerial appointment simply because they happen to be Christians? When almost 50% of IEBC commissioners appointed happened to be Muslims, the Christians who are the majority in the country did not consider it an issue. Isn’t it also ironical that the same Raila who is now accused of being anti-Muslims is also accused in some quarters as having in his office the Mohamed Isahakhias and Abdul Mwaseras of this world, Muslims, who are said to be calling the shots at the office? Truth be told. The infamous MoU that they are now talking about was distorted and in fact used as propaganda to erode some of Raila’s support as we approached the last elections. Looked at critically, it was a double edged sword. 3. Balala’s discontent in ODM started when he was edged out by Hassan Joho to national office. He felt Raila did not do much to ‘push’ him through during the elections. Mangai,Right on the money. Now sample this: Now tell me why would PNU MPs attend a press conference that would be essentially telling Raila that he has lost the support of the Muslim community? ?...The same crap we see here on Jukwaa when PNU loyalists try to advise Raila on what he he did wrong and what he should do right...They all look scripted if you were to ask me. They are targeting the issue of electability from all sides and using all forces. Barak Muluka says it well here... www.standardmedia.co.ke/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=2000054756&cid=&
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Post by phil on Mar 29, 2012 15:19:48 GMT 3
Mangai,Right on the money. Now sample this: Now tell me why would PNU MPs attend a press conference that would be essentially telling Raila that he has lost the support of the Muslim community? ?...The same crap we see here on Jukwaa when PNU loyalists try to advise Raila on what he he did wrong and what he should do right...They all look scripted if you were to ask me. They are targeting the issue of electability from all sides and using all forces. Barak Muluka says it well here... www.standardmedia.co.ke/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=2000054756&cid=& In other words, what is the business of any PNU MP strictly in a matter where a third party is claiming breach of contract that was essentially between an ODM candidate and his muslim supporters. Reading this, one would imagine that Balala represents the entire Muslim community in ODM and government. Wishful thinking and far from it, ODM is a party that has accomodated nearly all special interest groups including buddhists! PNU is purely wading into this for purposes of scoring cheap political points. My sense is that, like in 2007 when most parties ODM-K and PNU, relied on ODM rejects handing them free nominations, the same thing will happen in 2012. And now balala being an ex-pentagon member has some PNU alliance members salivating at the prospect of having him in their camp.
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Post by phil on Mar 29, 2012 15:21:31 GMT 3
And news just in from Mombasa........... ;D ;D Najib Balala's roadshow in Mombasa aimed at discrediting ODM and RailaOdinga backfires as he is shouted down by the crowds.Titchaz, whats the update from your end?
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Post by mangai on Mar 29, 2012 15:22:29 GMT 3
Now tell me why would PNU MPs attend a press conference that would be essentially telling Raila that he has lost the support of the Muslim community? ?...The same crap we see here on Jukwaa when PNU loyalists try to advise Raila on what he he did wrong and what he should do right...They all look scripted if you were to ask me. They are targeting the issue of electability from all sides and using all forces. Barak Muluka says it well here... www.standardmedia.co.ke/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=2000054756&cid=& Titchaz,Isn't Hon. Mohamed Elmi, Minister for Northern Kenya Development a Muslim?
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Post by mangai on Mar 29, 2012 16:13:22 GMT 3
And here is David Makali's take, Sacking Of Balala Was Long Overdue THURSDAY, 29 MARCH 2012 00:05 BY DAVID MAKALI Najib Balala must rue the day he challenged ODM party leader and Prime Minister Raila Odinga. He now finds himself in limbo after being dismissed from Cabinet on Monday, which he unfortunately blamed on dictatorship. I disagree. For the past three years, Balala’s political star has been fading as steadily as his virulent attacks on Mr Odinga have increased. His determination to wreck the party on which he was elected to Parliament was shocking. So was his apparent disdain for the party leader whom he liberally vilified and taunted. The streak of unprovoked verbal assaults on Raila was offensive to common decency and the decorum expected of a senior party member. It also flouted the official etiquette of collective government responsibility. We cannot pretend to know the genesis of his gripe but it is curious that Balala found it heroic to disparage his party boss in public. Or expect to continue enjoying the privilege of his ministerial position courtesy of a party he had all but abandoned. That is legitimizing political immorality and encouraging impunity. It is ok for one to hold a different opinion from the party’s or even the party leader’s. Democracy implies freedom of opinion and robust expression of divergent views. It presupposes consensus and open deliberation of contentious issues where the majority holds sway but the minority have a say. Democracy abhors monolithic thinking or coercion. I believe this environment exists within the ODM party, even in its imperfect state. As a founder and high-ranking member, Balala was expected to use the party mechanisms to iron out his grievances. But he opted to become a reckless megaphone of bad publicity through ceaseless accusation of his own party leader as a dictator, without offering any details. Whether he was doing so to endear himself to the party’s opponents or to set himself up for the next suitor will soon become clear. But it is obvious that the G7 group he flirted with for a while did not find much political value in him. His support base is at it shakiest and it is looking unlikely that Balala can withstand a strong opponent for Mvita constituency, let along the Mombasa Senator’s seat. In the last election, it was the combination of his own support and the euphoric following of ODM and Raila in urban Mombasa that overcame the spirited challenge from Ali Taib. Now largely on his own, having lost favor with the Coast Parliamentary Group, Balala is like a ship sailing without a compass. His threats to form a party, which he said last week will be launched soon, is nothing new; many are out there yawning for members and leadership. He should hurry up and take over one to prove his mettle as a leader. I doubt it will be free from the worst of the very criticism he has leveled against his current party. The propensity of the current crop of politicians for muckraking is undermining democratisation. Public dissent and promiscuous political behavior has become heroic because there are no sanctions. Politicians continue to flirt with and jump in and out of parties like Matatus without regard to the Political Parties Act. Defying the party leadership has become a short cut to fame and partisan adulation. If this profligacy and indiscipline is to stretch to the rest of society what nation shall we have? Sympathetic protests will follow Balala’s dismissal. He will deplore his punishment as intolerance to criticism. He is entitled to feel bitter and betrayed. But that must not blind us from the true cause of his firing. Tying his fate to the fortunes of his religious community is patently misguided propaganda. He was not a representative of Muslims in the Cabinet or elected to represent a religious constituency, which is expressly prohibited by the constitution. Mr Balala joins a phalanx of fallen ministers who have served in the Grand Coalition but miscalculated their steps. Their common denominator is a virulent bout of vainglorious self-deception. Once appointed, they forget such basic things as the real source of power and create illusory thrones in the air on which they perch to satisfy their egos. Soon, they begin to stray. For Balala, it is unclear what his defiance was all about. A core member of the Pentagon, he always enjoyed chummy relations with party leader/Captain Raila Odinga. He began to grumble when Raila declined to back him in the party elections in 2008, which saw Balala’s arch foe, Ali Hassan Joho, grab the organizing secretary post. A grumpy Balala then began gravitating towards the PNU side of the coalition government. He was on hand to receive Sudanese President Omar Al Bashir at the promulgation of the new Constitution. That oblivious of his party leader’s stated opposition or even prior knowledge of it. By dint of his Arabic connection, Balala again accompanied Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka on the shuttle diplomacy to lobby then Libyan leader Muamar Gaddaffi to sway the African Union in efforts to defer Kenya’s case at the ICC. It is this streak of open defiance and loud dissent, more than his performance as Minister for Tourism, that accounts for his fall. Although he was the critical ODM link to the Muslim vote in 2007, the sour relations had become more politically costly than beneficial to Raila. His exit has become necessary for order and proper functioning of the party. The moral: discipline is essential to good leadership as much as performance. www.the-star.co.ke/opinions/david-makali/69013-sacking-of-balala-was-long-overdue
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 29, 2012 17:06:33 GMT 3
And here is David Makali's take, Sacking Of Balala Was Long Overdue THURSDAY, 29 MARCH 2012 00:05 BY DAVID MAKALI It is this streak of open defiance and loud dissent, more than his performance as Minister for Tourism, that accounts for his fall. Although he was the critical ODM link to the Muslim vote in 2007, the sour relations had become more politically costly than beneficial to Raila. His exit has become necessary for order and proper functioning of the party. The moral: discipline is essential to good leadership as much as performance.www.the-star.co.ke/opinions/david-makali/69013-sacking-of-balala-was-long-overdueThere you have it. Need we say more? and you still want us to talk about democracy and freedom of expression.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 29, 2012 17:07:38 GMT 3
Guys , Mombasa and to the larger Coast province politics is as complex as Nairobi politics and it is not driven by Political Kingpin Politics i.e. Nyanza ,Central,Western Rift Valley and Eastern Province . That is save for the 80-90 when Nassir was able to use Kanu/Government tools to rig himself in as the mvita M.P. until Balala was able to unseat him in 2002. As pointed out in the citizen Morning show by Omar Hassan Coast politics are usually euphoria driven and to some extent issue based be it Majimboism as witnessed in 92/97 election or Muslim rights as witnessed in 92/2007 and coastal minority interests . Joho was lucky to win the MPs seat in 2007 due to the ODM euphoria occasioned by ODMs stand in 2005 referendum when they supported Kadhi courts entrenchment into constitution the same to all Mombasa M.P.s . To be honest Balala was unpopular at that time and was facing defeat in the 2007 parliamentary elections but due to the automatic nomination from the then Muslim friendly ODM he rode that wave back to parliament. This could have been one of the reason why Raila felt he could alienate Balala after the G.E. in 2008 as he held no muscle in the local politics. Raila has now given him a political life by sacking him and rubbishing the M.O.U he had with the muslims. He has given Balala a chance to whip up muslim emotions and showcase that Raila can not keep his pre-election arrangements . Will the Muslims have another pre-election M.O.U. with Raila and O.D.M. ? you guess is as good as mine .This actually can create another euphoria as witnessed in 92 when Jaromogis Ford-Kenya took IPK under its wing after Kanu refusing to work with it due religious backlash fear and by the way thats how several MPS from the muslim Coast province were able to become Ford Kenya MPs - Remember Sharif Nasir had to skip the mosque session during voters count to rig himself in . books.google.co.ke/books?id=8_UL9yJrD4QC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=sharif+nasir+1992+election+Ford+Kenya&source=bl&ots=6J_JyTcHEq&sig=sdLVpSOalkcCW5cdKcHr365aw0s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xmh0T5LLBZSWhQftlbmmBQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=sharif%20nasir%201992%20election%20Ford%20Kenya&f=falseOnly time will tell if Balala will use this as his stepping stone but one thing is for sure never anger / betray muslims and for this the Mwahimas, Kajembes and Joho will be politicaly irrelevant come 2013 if they dont get their act together but all of them are known to jump ship the last minutes read 2002 when Narcs wave was all over the province . This should be an alarm to Raila and ODM of what to expect for the game of betrayal they have perfected in by losing the Muslim Somali vote from N.E. and now the coastal Muslim bodies Namlef, C.I.P.K and Supkem cutting ties and confirming they will never work with Raila and O.D.M. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/balalas-sacking-to-cost-raila-dearly-muslims/Dor said that the betrayal would not be taken lightly terming Balala’s drop from the Cabinet as an attempt by the Prime Minister to create religious strife.
“Balala’s removal from office is contemptuous and it is something that we will carry with us to the next election; we will not forget. We are Kenyans and our leaders must be respected,” he said.
NAMLEF chairman Sheikh Abdullahi Abdi added that Odinga could not be trusted with the leadership of the country saying he was a dictator.
“I think Muslims were misled in the same way that Kenyans were misled. There was a perception that Raila was a reformer but the veneer of reforms has now been lifted,” he said.
“The true chemistry of this person has come out and what does it speak of? It speaks of a power hungry dictator who will stop at nothing to get power,” he charged.
www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/68752-raila-faces-backlash-on-balala-sacking Muslim groups led by the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims protested Balala's dismissal and accused Raila of going against the memorandum he had signed with the Muslim leaders when seeking their support before the 2007 elections.In the MoU, leaked to the media in early 2008 and never refuted, Raila promised that he would nominate Muslims to Parliament, give them ministerial positions and elevate them to advisory and partnership roles in his government. “But we were only given one ministerial position, which has now been taken away from us, and many assistant minister positions,” said Sheikh Khalifa at the Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya offices in Makadara, Mombasa yesterday. He said Muslim leaders will now campaign against Raila who hopes to stand for president in 2013.
SUPKEM secretary general Adan Wachu said the Muslim fraternity was angered by the PM's decision. “If you remember, the PM dropped Adan Duale, a Muslim from Garissa and replaced him with Dan Mwazo, from Taita Taveta. We did not complain. Now he has added salt to the wound by sacking Balala and elevating the same Mwazo to succeed him. It's a double tragedy," Wachu added
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 30, 2012 1:10:00 GMT 3
And news just in from Mombasa........... ;D ;D Najib Balala's roadshow in Mombasa aimed at discrediting ODM and RailaOdinga backfires as he is shouted down by the crowds.Titchaz, whats the update from your end? Mkuu Phil,Video hii hapa. The distruption was basically people calling out for jobs. Sikiza kwa makini how the Mayor Ahmed Mohdar says about Balala... "Gone with the wind"...lol!...Very true...akitaka safari za kupande ndege, akamuone Mayor..atampa trip!... ;D ...eti Balala says he is a relieved man na mzigo umeondolewa!...Kumbe the guy was having a hard time at the Ministry and needed help with the heavy lifting. Mbona alikua hasemi? ....His own mother is crying bohooo hooo tears!!!...wajameni kwani muliambiwa hiki kiti ni chenu milele? Imekua mali ya familia sasa? Hebu mpelekeni mama nyumbani akajipumzishe. Hilo jua la Mombasa litampa shinikizo la damu! ...Kisha Balala has the worst friends if you check this video out. He does not need enemies to say the least. This thing has been spun to make it look like the Ministerial post is an entitlement to the Muslim community. What BS is that?..This is a non-starter in these debates and if they want it, let them bring it on. .. Sheikh Hassan Omar with all due respect at 1:54...unasema eti Balala kafutwa kazi kwa kua ni muislamu? Wewe unasikiza maneno yanoyotoka kinywani mwako kweli? Yaani elimu ipo ya bure na kuenda shule hamtaki...kisha upeo wenu wa kuelewa mambo unakua mdogo sana...mkikashfiwa mnakimbilia udini! Kwani hao kina Joho sio wasilamu..au Balala nd'o muislamu pekee katika serikali?...Astaghafirulahi jamani!!!!...msipoteze umma tafadhali! ....Balala alipewa uwaziri kulingana na katiba ya chama husika. Ukiondoka katika chama basi unavuliwa madaraka. Balala mwenyewe keshasema hayupo ODM...sasa unataka tuafikiane na mawazo tasa kama hayo yako. JAMANI NENDENI SHULE, ELIMU NI YA BURE!!!!!...Khaaa!...Munaudhi kweli nyie mahayawani! Msilikilizeni Sheikh Amir Banda....hii ishu haina muingiliano wowote na dini. Wanoleta hoja ya udini wanalao jambo!
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 30, 2012 1:11:30 GMT 3
Now tell me why would PNU MPs attend a press conference that would be essentially telling Raila that he has lost the support of the Muslim community? ?...The same crap we see here on Jukwaa when PNU loyalists try to advise Raila on what he he did wrong and what he should do right...They all look scripted if you were to ask me. They are targeting the issue of electability from all sides and using all forces. Barak Muluka says it well here... www.standardmedia.co.ke/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=2000054756&cid=& Titchaz,Isn't Hon. Mohamed Elmi, Minister for Northern Kenya Development a Muslim? Yes they are! That goes to show you the hypocrisy in this debate!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 30, 2012 1:41:10 GMT 3
Titchaz,Isn't Hon. Mohamed Elmi, Minister for Northern Kenya Development a Muslim? Yes they are! That goes to show you the hypocrisy in this debate! The issue is not as to whether Elmi is a Muslim or not, but whether the quota as agreed in the MOU signed by Raila Odinga and Muslims is met as per the current distribution of ministerial positions in the nusu mkate thing.
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 30, 2012 1:55:29 GMT 3
Joho was lucky to win the MPs seat in 2007 due to the ODM euphoria occasioned by ODMs stand in 2005 referendum when they supported Kadhi courts entrenchment into constitution the same to all Mombasa M.P.s . Raila has now given him a political life by sacking him and rubbishing the M.O.U he had with the muslims. He has given Balala a chance to whip up muslim emotions and showcase that Raila can not keep his pre-election arrangements . Will the Muslims have another pre-election M.O.U. with Raila and O.D.M. ? you guess is as good as mine . Only time will tell if Balala will use this as his stepping stone but one thing is for sure never anger / betray muslims and for this the Mwahimas, Kajembes and Joho will be politicaly irrelevant come 2013 if they dont get their act together but all of them are known to jump ship the last minutes read 2002 when Narcs wave was all over the province . This should be an alarm to Raila and ODM of what to expect for the game of betrayal they have perfected in by losing the Muslim Somali vote from N.E. and now the coastal Muslim bodies Namlef, C.I.P.K and Supkem cutting ties and confirming they will never work with Raila and O.D.M. Nowayhaha,lets stick to facts please. That said, I will call you out on your assertions that bear no truth and reek of propaganda. Joho did not get into parliament on a euphoria wave like you may want people to believe. He simply got in because the incumbent was as good a dead politically. Hata kama mimi ningekua mtaani I would have gotten that seat. Mwaboza had betrayed the people including his own family by having shady deals at the Municipal council and caring less about the masses....and in Kisauni we are very unforgiving! Hii nd'o ilikua downfall yake. So Joho simply walked in to fill a void. Double back and lets go to Mvita where I see you are making an asserion that Raila has given Balala a new lease of life. Kweli siasa ya Mombasa huijui ndugu yangu. If you cared to read my earlier postings Balala's fate had been sealed at the coast. Infact people were not making noise about it out of respect for Raila. They wanted Raila to make a move ever since the man sided with kina Ruto at PanAfric Hotel. Just like the Mwaboza incident above, Balala is known to cater for his own family (wife,children and close relatives). The furthest he would venture out, is to people of his race. Hio sio siri! At least Shariff Nassir alikua anajimiksi na 'watu wa bara' bila kinyongo. Just ask the tour guides who wanted to meet him on several occasions how they were answered. Due to this void, Shariff Nassir's son via The Shariff Nassir Foundation and Rahma radio station, begun mounting a silent grassroot campaign to take over. When Balala wanted to come back to the fold, all 'positions' were occupied by people who were loyal to ODM. (read Joho, Kajembe na Abdullsamad). Instead of Balala duking it out with these guys he felt he had an entitlement to power by virtue of being an original Pentagon member. RAO would not move an inch to accomodate Balala back after all the insults he threw RAO's way while he was in a dalliance of some kind with the 'other guys'! Hata kama ingekua mimi ningekataa! This religious crap that some of you guys are hell bent on propagating will come and bite you later. Kwanza kabisa when Raila signed that MOU with the Muslim fraternity, PNU urchins were all over the internet saying Raila is promoting Sharia law and would implement it when ODM comes to power. The aim was to alienate Raila from the rest of the so called 'Christian loving Kenyans'...as fate would have it RAO shattered that one to smithereens after the election results came out. Now this time around the propaganda being bandied around is that Raila is an enemy of Muslims and he will not get their votes during elections. Eti sijui NEP have also fallen out with him and whatever other ballderash is out there. Mara sijui Balala was the last muslim minister standing yet we have others in that Cabinet....Yaani hamchoki tu na hizi hoja za kipuzi jamani? Hatutaki hoja za kidini katika mijadala ya kisaisa tafadhali!!!...Msikilizeni Sheikh Amir Banda jamani!!!!
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 30, 2012 1:58:21 GMT 3
Yes they are! That goes to show you the hypocrisy in this debate! The issue is not as to whether Elmi is a Muslim or not, but whether the quota as agreed in the MOU signed by Raila Odinga and Muslims is met as per the current distribution of ministerial positions in the nusu mkate thing. Read this sentence: ..that is what I was answering Mangai about. Hizo hoja zengine kama mumetumwa nyie shikilieni hapo hapo tu.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 30, 2012 2:12:09 GMT 3
The issue is not as to whether Elmi is a Muslim or not, but whether the quota as agreed in the MOU signed by Raila Odinga and Muslims is met as per the current distribution of ministerial positions in the nusu mkate thing. Read this sentence: ..that is what I was answering Mangai about. Hizo hoja zengine kama mumetumwa nyie shikilieni hapo hapo tu. That is really beside the point I am making, the argument these guys are putting across is that their MOU with the party leader has been trashed, that is the whole issue here. This is a very solid ethical issue that we need to interrogate. It is about trust, and to me it is a fair question to ask one's political inclination not withstanding. If that translates into kutumwa, that's fine.
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Post by bob on Mar 30, 2012 2:19:44 GMT 3
Just because Balala is a Muslim did not give him licence to score own goals against his team he was to be a team player team,I voted for Balala in the last election & I have been resident in Mvita well over a decade & from day one he not only antagonized his own party members in his local backyard but went ahead to taunt ridicule the party national hierarchy which stood by him when he clearly had problems securing the party ticket & had to be given automatic nomination. As a party supporter,personally felt humiliated and hoped he would put his house in order and work with grassroots leaders but to no avail. Talk of excess baggage. Remember his famous quote at the Panafric Hotel''If you are not of here(high table) then you not part of Kenya's future'' Payback time wacha ajaribu usenator!
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 30, 2012 4:03:00 GMT 3
Read this sentence: ..that is what I was answering Mangai about. Hizo hoja zengine kama mumetumwa nyie shikilieni hapo hapo tu. That is really beside the point I am making, the argument these guys are putting across is that their MOU with the party leader has been trashed, that is the whole issue here. This is a very solid ethical issue that we need to interrogate. It is about trust, and to me it is a fair question to ask one's political inclination not withstanding. If that translates into kutumwa, that's fine. Wewe shikilia hapo hapo!
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 30, 2012 4:11:32 GMT 3
Just because Balala is a Muslim did not give him licence to score own goals against his team he was to be a team player team,I voted for Balala in the last election & I have been resident in Mvita well over a decade & from day one he not only antagonized his own party members in his local backyard but went ahead to taunt ridicule the party national hierarchy which stood by him when he clearly had problems securing the party ticket & had to be given automatic nomination. As a party supporter,personally felt humiliated and hoped he would put his house in order and work with grassroots leaders but to no avail. Talk of excess baggage. Remember his famous quote at the Panafric Hotel''If you are not of here(high table) then you not part of Kenya's future'' Payback time wacha ajaribu usenator! Bob,Heshima kwako mkuu mwenzangu. Hio statement jamaa hawezi kujitetea just like the many others he has made during his times. He is antagonistic as you say na nakumbuka juzi juzi alipokua anajua he is losing political relevance akajaribu kuleta mtafaruku na ile ishu ya hawkers in the CBD. Anjua wazi kua Mayor pamoja na Council walikua wamesema hao watu waondoke and they had done efforts to do so. Then Balala comes out of nowhere, being a Minister and MP for Mvita, na kusema they should come back!...The backlash was heavy even on his facebook page! ....kisha kuna jamaa bado wana usongo nae kuhusu ile statement ya Lesotho baada ya kura za '07. Muangalieni kwa karibu huyo bwana asije akaleta kasheshe maana his only relevance would be if he went to MRC...just for controversy's sake. This is politics you know! Swadaqtaa.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 30, 2012 15:37:24 GMT 3
Joho was lucky to win the MPs seat in 2007 due to the ODM euphoria occasioned by ODMs stand in 2005 referendum when they supported Kadhi courts entrenchment into constitution the same to all Mombasa M.P.s . Raila has now given him a political life by sacking him and rubbishing the M.O.U he had with the muslims. He has given Balala a chance to whip up muslim emotions and showcase that Raila can not keep his pre-election arrangements . Will the Muslims have another pre-election M.O.U. with Raila and O.D.M. ? you guess is as good as mine . Only time will tell if Balala will use this as his stepping stone but one thing is for sure never anger / betray muslims and for this the Mwahimas, Kajembes and Joho will be politicaly irrelevant come 2013 if they dont get their act together but all of them are known to jump ship the last minutes read 2002 when Narcs wave was all over the province . This should be an alarm to Raila and ODM of what to expect for the game of betrayal they have perfected in by losing the Muslim Somali vote from N.E. and now the coastal Muslim bodies Namlef, C.I.P.K and Supkem cutting ties and confirming they will never work with Raila and O.D.M. Nowayhaha,lets stick to facts please. That said, I will call you out on your assertions that bear no truth and reek of propaganda. Joho did not get into parliament on a euphoria wave like you may want people to believe. He simply got in because the incumbent was as good a dead politically. Hata kama mimi ningekua mtaani I would have gotten that seat. Mwaboza had betrayed the people including his own family by having shady deals at the Municipal council and caring less about the masses....and in Kisauni we are very unforgiving! Hii nd'o ilikua downfall yake. So Joho simply walked in to fill a void. Double back and lets go to Mvita where I see you are making an asserion that Raila has given Balala a new lease of life. Kweli siasa ya Mombasa huijui ndugu yangu. If you cared to read my earlier postings Balala's fate had been sealed at the coast. Infact people were not making noise about it out of respect for Raila. They wanted Raila to make a move ever since the man sided with kina Ruto at PanAfric Hotel. Just like the Mwaboza incident above, Balala is known to cater for his own family (wife,children and close relatives). The furthest he would venture out, is to people of his race. Hio sio siri! At least Shariff Nassir alikua anajimiksi na 'watu wa bara' bila kinyongo. Just ask the tour guides who wanted to meet him on several occasions how they were answered. Due to this void, Shariff Nassir's son via The Shariff Nassir Foundation and Rahma radio station, begun mounting a silent grassroot campaign to take over. When Balala wanted to come back to the fold, all 'positions' were occupied by people who were loyal to ODM. (read Joho, Kajembe na Abdullsamad). Instead of Balala duking it out with these guys he felt he had an entitlement to power by virtue of being an original Pentagon member. RAO would not move an inch to accomodate Balala back after all the insults he threw RAO's way while he was in a dalliance of some kind with the 'other guys'! Hata kama ingekua mimi ningekataa! This religious crap that some of you guys are hell bent on propagating will come and bite you later. Kwanza kabisa when Raila signed that MOU with the Muslim fraternity, PNU urchins were all over the internet saying Raila is promoting Sharia law and would implement it when ODM comes to power. The aim was to alienate Raila from the rest of the so called 'Christian loving Kenyans'...as fate would have it RAO shattered that one to smithereens after the election results came out. Now this time around the propaganda being bandied around is that Raila is an enemy of Muslims and he will not get their votes during elections. Eti sijui NEP have also fallen out with him and whatever other ballderash is out there. Mara sijui Balala was the last muslim minister standing yet we have others in that Cabinet....Yaani hamchoki tu na hizi hoja za kipuzi jamani? Hatutaki hoja za kidini katika mijadala ya kisaisa tafadhali!!!...Msikilizeni Sheikh Amir Banda jamani!!!! Titchaz, What I stated earlier are nothing but facts . You claim that Joho never won 2007 MP seat by euphoria then in the same paragraph you claim if you had stood in the same elections against Mwaboza you would have won(true that if you were on an ODM ticket ) isnt that an assertion that Joho never won because his popularity but due to other factors which would also have enabled you win ? (That being in the right party) If you care to speak the truth about Kisauni you would talk of how Joho is very unpopular with his constituents especially wamama due to unga /madawa ya kulevya na kufanya vijana wawe mateja . Joho wont win any elective post on account of O.D.M. (No O.D.M. euphoria/Tsunami this time around )unless he changes tact - remember Prof Rashid Mzee ? On Mvita - sitaki shindana kuhusu nani anajua siasa za Mombasa na kadhalika sababu yaonekana wewe unasiasa zako na it doesnt reflect with what is on ground -Siasa za internet ni tafauti na za mitaani ndugu. If you were in mombasa the day Balala was dropped from the ministerial position you would have witnessed the reaction from the public ,wapwani hawafichi hisia zao . Nowonder even Muslim bodies which were seen to have drifted away from Balala came out in support of him the CIPK , SUPKEM and NAMLEF -It was allover the news . If you know Mombasa politics and you are up to-date on the same you would know that with the new constitution and introduction of counties coastal politics have taken another angle and that is why Balala opted for formation of new party rather that side with either ODM or G7 and if the party represents and identifies with muslim interests dont be surprised his party scooping all electable seats in Mvita from MP , Governor and Senator. On Sharrif Jnr please lets not go there , he is only known for hiring youths. He has no political clout and he thinks he can ride ODM wave which was there in 2007 . Unfortunately It wont be there in 2013. Actually with Omar Hassan showing signs that he may vie for Senator seat on ODM ticket its not possible for Sharrif Jnr beating Omar hassan in the primaries. Also take note of the new wards Mvita has been given under in the new boundaries allocation . Siasa ya Mvita haitakuwa rahisi kama ABC. On Mombasa politics the religion /majimbo -kujitawala card will be played to the core during the upcoming G.E. as you have probably noted the M.R.C. is the tell signs and this would be the euphoria this time around as Kadhi issues were sorted out after voting in new constitution in Aug 2010. Btw Titchaz as you claim to know Mombasa politics that much you would probably know one of the reason apart from P.E.V. Politics at that time that Balala and actually Ruto fell out with Raila because of the Grain Bulk Handlers Saga ama ? kenyapolitical.blogspot.com/2009/02/grain-bulk-handling-saga.htmlIn the build up to General Election in 2007 both the owners of Grain Bulk Handling Saga and Mombasa Maize Millers contributed to the Kitty of O.D.M. with promises of being awarded tenders once O.D.M. takes the power . Once they got into the Gov through back door it was time to award the financiers and MMM were about to be given a license to undertake similar activities as those of GBHL -Via Balala/Ruto axis in ODM government, Raila intervened and ensured GBHL continue being the monopoly -It was pay back time wasn't it ? That was in early - Mid 2008 . This was partly the contributing factor to political wars in ODM witnessed btwn 2009-2011 . Titchaz on the Muslim vote- One of the reason ODM performed the way they did in 2007 was because of the unified Muslim vote they received due their support of Kadhi courts in 2005 referendum -that is a fact . Will they receive the Muslim vote in the upcoming General Election ? after stepping into N.E. muslim toes and now angering and betraying SUPKEM NAMLEF CIPK and Coastal muslims? and taking the fact that Kadhi issue was sorted by the new constitution ? Time will tell but going by the events thats doubtful .
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Post by gemagema on Mar 30, 2012 22:27:58 GMT 3
So now SUPKEM chastise Balala for using the Islam religion for his political machinations An excerpt below from the article on the Star - SUPKEM lashes out at BalalaYesterday, Supkem chairman Hussein Adan Somo criticised individuals using the Muslim faith to push 'selfish political agenda. “It is unfortunate that some people who were appointed to different positions never lived to the expectations of their party and the Muslim community at large and therefore should not cry foul when their misdeeds come to haunt them,” Somo said. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/69101-supkem-lashes-out-at-balala
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Post by tnk on Mar 30, 2012 22:39:03 GMT 3
So now SUPKEM chastise Balala for using the Islam religion for his political machinations An excerpt below from the article on the Star - SUPKEM lashes out at BalalaYesterday, Supkem chairman Hussein Adan Somo criticised individuals using the Muslim faith to push 'selfish political agenda. “It is unfortunate that some people who were appointed to different positions never lived to the expectations of their party and the Muslim community at large and therefore should not cry foul when their misdeeds come to haunt them,” Somo said. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/69101-supkem-lashes-out-at-balalamaybe first we should ask Balala to show how he used his appointment as Min. of Tourism for the past three years to benefit muslims (hopefully not at the expense of non-muslims as this would be discrimination) and then if he can clearly spell out what the muslims will be missing now that he is out (and if possibly) demonstrate that the remaining muslims (there is quite a handful) in cabinet are incapable of delivering the same, i.e he leaves behind a gap that is too big to fill (don't quite mean the eulogy) never heard anyone stand up and admit that his shoes are too big to fill, what a haughty belief? wassup with that?
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 30, 2012 23:43:15 GMT 3
So now SUPKEM chastise Balala for using the Islam religion for his political machinations An excerpt below from the article on the Star - SUPKEM lashes out at BalalaYesterday, Supkem chairman Hussein Adan Somo criticised individuals using the Muslim faith to push 'selfish political agenda. “It is unfortunate that some people who were appointed to different positions never lived to the expectations of their party and the Muslim community at large and therefore should not cry foul when their misdeeds come to haunt them,” Somo said. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/69101-supkem-lashes-out-at-balala...It was about time. This is what I have been trying to say all along lakini kuna watu bado wameshikilia kidedea hoja zisizokua na miguu wala mikono. "....Yesterday, Supkem chairman Hussein Adan Somo criticised individuals using the Muslim faith to push 'selfish political agenda. “It is unfortunate that some people who were appointed to different positions never lived to the expectations of their party and the Muslim community at large and therefore should not cry foul when their misdeeds come to haunt them,” Somo said.
He said individuals and not the whole Muslim community were the targets of the party disciplinary measures and therefore they should not try and drag the entire Muslim community into their political troubles. Addressing a press conference in Nairobi, Somo said any member of a political party should expect punishment whenever he disrespects the party’s leadership. This punishment had nothing to do with the individual's religious faith...."
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Post by tnk on Mar 31, 2012 0:22:26 GMT 3
So now SUPKEM chastise Balala for using the Islam religion for his political machinations An excerpt below from the article on the Star - SUPKEM lashes out at BalalaYesterday, Supkem chairman Hussein Adan Somo criticised individuals using the Muslim faith to push 'selfish political agenda. “It is unfortunate that some people who were appointed to different positions never lived to the expectations of their party and the Muslim community at large and therefore should not cry foul when their misdeeds come to haunt them,” Somo said. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/69101-supkem-lashes-out-at-balala...It was about time. This is what I have been trying to say all along lakini kuna watu bado wameshikilia kidedea hoja zisizokua na miguu wala mikono. "....Yesterday, Supkem chairman Hussein Adan Somo criticised individuals using the Muslim faith to push 'selfish political agenda. “It is unfortunate that some people who were appointed to different positions never lived to the expectations of their party and the Muslim community at large and therefore should not cry foul when their misdeeds come to haunt them,” Somo said.
He said individuals and not the whole Muslim community were the targets of the party disciplinary measures and therefore they should not try and drag the entire Muslim community into their political troubles. Addressing a press conference in Nairobi, Somo said any member of a political party should expect punishment whenever he disrespects the party’s leadership. This punishment had nothing to do with the individual's religious faith...."mkuu titchaz let me repeat that for echo chamber effect.... == It is unfortunate that some people who were appointed to different positions never lived to the expectations of their party
any member of a political party should expect punishment whenever he disrespects the party’s leadership. ==
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Post by mank on Mar 31, 2012 20:06:45 GMT 3
Are ministers then appointed to serve party leaders? Where do we put the line between such loyalty and the servitude we decried of officials in the "Yes-sir, how high sir" Moi Government?
I think once a person is given a ministerial portfolio, or any other portfolio whatsoever in public offices, his or her holding to that portfolio should not be at the mercy of relationships with political leadership - it should entirely depend on the person's delivery of the expectations in that portfolio. Else we cannot remove power from individuals however much we devolve government, if individuals given government jobs are not free to differ with higher leadership.
Zangu senti mbili ndizo hizo!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 31, 2012 20:23:53 GMT 3
Are ministers then appointed to serve party leaders? Where do we put the line between such loyalty and the servitude we decried of officials in the "Yes-sir, how high sir" Moi Government? I think once a person is given a ministerial portfolio, or any other portfolio whatsoever in public offices, his or her holding to that portfolio should not be at the mercy of relationships with political leadership - it should entirely depend on the person's delivery of the expectations in that portfolio. Else we cannot remove power from individuals however much we devolve government, if individuals given government jobs are not free to differ with higher leadership. Zangu senti mbili ndizo hizo! Mank,This is a crucial point you raise. And i think it vindicates why the imperial presidency must go. That is where ministers, and most public servants, more or less serve at the leisure of the president or the appointing personality. When one is appointed without having undergone some serious vetting process, I do not think ones contract is worth much! That is a known pitfall, and lots of literature is around, in methodologies of adressing it. But at the same time, if tenures are to be secure, independent of the whims of the appointing bosses, then a high degree of responsibility must be pulpable amongts adminstrators. That means they must be ready to resign at the slightest whiff of scandal. Holding high ethics as a rule. So Nancy Baraza must not necessitate a whole circus to have her suspended, well knowing she had breached a code. If people find it extremely difficult to quit office under own voluntary morality, then you need a sacking mechanism. And you get stuck with bosses --who may only want to reward loyalty, and thus inculcate psychophantic reflexes down the chain. hizo senti zako mbili are very thought provocating!
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