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Post by kamalet on May 9, 2012 8:25:23 GMT 3
It was not until th court saga following the death of lawyer S M Otieno did Kenyans know that there was a "house" and a "home" and this was cleverly argued by lawyer Kwach in explaining why SM should be buried in Nyalgunga rather than Matasia as it is in the former where he had a 'home' whilst his palatial residence in Matasia was only a 'house'.
So take a case of Jukwaa moderator Onyango Oloo. Somewhere in Luo Nyanza he has what he might want to call a 'home' if we used the Kwach analogy. But anyone who knows Oloo's history will tell you that he has probably spent a lot more time in Mombasa and Nairobi (if you exlude his sojourn in Canada) than in his "rural home". Today, Oloo is a Nairobian like very many perhaps complete with a voting card for a constituency in Nairobi. For all intents and purposes we shall consider him a Nairobian.
It is not any different to Kamale who came to Nairobi in the 70s and made Nairobi his home. My 'rural home' would be Njoro but I seriously have no affiliation with the area as my family and most of what I own is in Nairobi. I vote in Nairobi, my daughter only knows of Nairobi as her home as was born and brought up here.
I could give a similar story of an uncle (let us call him Paul) who moved to Kakamega in the late 60s and settled there and him and his kikuyu wife speak fluent luhyia (or whatever dialect is spoken there!). He has invested there and will most likel be buried there when he dies.
So let us try and constitute the board of KBC and in the process three people are appointed to the board and these are Oloo, Kamalet and Paul. Straight away the board will have two kikuyus and one luo and then the issue of ethnic diversity will be brought out as an issue - and that will be a completly suitable argument for the tribal mathmatecians.
For the majimboists, their argument will be that Nairobi county has been given two seats on the board and Kakamega one whilst other counties did not ge a share.
Now try winning this argument of why Kamale or Oloo should be excluded!
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Post by marikopolitico on May 9, 2012 9:25:54 GMT 3
It was not until th court saga following the death of lawyer S M Otieno did Kenyans know that there was a "house" and a "home" and this was cleverly argued by lawyer Kwach in explaining why SM should be buried in Nyalgunga rather than Matasia as it is in the former where he had a 'home' whilst his palatial residence in Matasia was only a 'house'. So take a case of Jukwaa moderator Onyango Oloo. Somewhere in Luo Nyanza he has what he might want to call a 'home' if we used the Kwach analogy. But anyone who knows Oloo's history will tell you that he has probably spent a lot more time in Mombasa and Nairobi (if you exlude his sojourn in Canada) than in his "rural home". Today, Oloo is a Nairobian like very many perhaps complete with a voting card for a constituency in Nairobi. For all intents and purposes we shall consider him a Nairobian. It is not any different to Kamale who came to Nairobi in the 70s and made Nairobi his home. My 'rural home' would be Njoro but I seriously have no affiliation with the area as my family and most of what I own is in Nairobi. I vote in Nairobi, my daughter only knows of Nairobi as her home as was born and brought up here. I could give a similar story of an uncle (let us call him Paul) who moved to Kakamega in the late 60s and settled there and him and his kikuyu wife speak fluent luhyia (or whatever dialect is spoken there!). He has invested there and will most likel be buried there when he dies. So let us try and constitute the board of KBC and in the process three people are appointed to the board and these are Oloo, Kamalet and Paul. Straight away the board will have two kikuyus and one luo and then the issue of ethnic diversity will be brought out as an issue - and that will be a completly suitable argument for the tribal mathmatecians. For the majimboists, their argument will be that Nairobi county has been given two seats on the board and Kakamega one whilst other counties did not ge a share. Now try winning this argument of why Kamale or Oloo should be excluded! You won't win this argument for another 50 years. Simple reason that Kenya is a loose federation of 42 tribes who aggressively pursue their so called interests with little regard to the long term benefits of achieving those so called interests. For example the aggressive defence that corrupt ministers are afforded by their tribesmen whenever they are accused of their misdeeds " THEY ARE OUT TO FINISH US" Nevermind that the only person who benefits is the corrupt individual- never one of his own tribesmen. Until Kenyans can learn to see each others as Kenyans and not Luo,Kikuyu,Kamba,Kalenjin,Coastal,Somali etc etc then there is little no hope for the end of tribalism |
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Post by emali on May 9, 2012 9:36:46 GMT 3
I’m not sure where you are going with this Kamalet...a board of three people? I don’t see any problem with Kamalet or Oloo on that board for either Majimboist’s or ‘tribal mathematicians’...I think ‘tribal mathematicians’ will take precedence over Majimboist’s given a bigger board....
Maybe we should be applauding the Gikuyu for their adaptation skills in regions outside their traditional homes or wonder why you will struggle to find a ‘Paul’ from any other ethnicity other than GEMA permanently settling in Karatina,Nyeri or Kerugoya...
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Post by destiny on May 9, 2012 10:33:44 GMT 3
Let me take this further:
Does being born in Kakamega make someone automatically a Luhya and would the host community really accept you as such? Are the Asians, for example, who were born and bred in Mombasa Digos? In advanced democracies like Great Britain where we have various tribes (welsh, Irish, English and Scottish) does it matter one's regional/tribal background really? How many people would really call concrete jungles that are our cities "home" bearing in mind strong cultural ties with where most of ones relatives live? Why do they say home is where the heart is?
I think our new constitution will rectify most of the anomalies and mischief being perpetuated with impunity by politicians. There are laws regarding these appointments some which are obviously being broken by appointing fellow tribesmen and cronies whose sole aim is to pull scams once they are in office. The port of Mombasa is especially sensitive bearing in mind it's one of the biggest revenue earners and also where drugs and counterfeit goods are smuggled through, that's why it's right to ask these hard questions. I think Kimunya unwittingly played in the hands of secessionist group MRC who are busy milking this issue for all it's worth. Thanks Justice Warsame has come in and frozen these appointments for now but the biggest question to Kimunya whose reputation is on the scale is: Was it really worth it or could it have been done differently?
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Post by 50cents on May 9, 2012 15:58:15 GMT 3
Kamale, you keep on saying you "moved", your uncle "moved". This is like teaching a pagan the whole history of the Bible in 100years, something they will never understand. Unlike you who "moved", Onyango simply "left for" and never "moved" so to speak. Unlike your daughter who only knows Nairobi and its surroundings, Onyango's siblings can actually travel all alone from their "house" to their "home".
Like I said, somethings will never be understood. No wonder Turkana's are perplexed why suddenly their lands are being sold to strangers.
Am sorry you "moved" because Onyango Oloo simply "left".
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Post by nowayhaha on May 9, 2012 16:10:59 GMT 3
It was not until th court saga following the death of lawyer S M Otieno did Kenyans know that there was a "house" and a "home" and this was cleverly argued by lawyer Kwach in explaining why SM should be buried in Nyalgunga rather than Matasia as it is in the former where he had a 'home' whilst his palatial residence in Matasia was only a 'house'. So take a case of Jukwaa moderator Onyango Oloo. Somewhere in Luo Nyanza he has what he might want to call a 'home' if we used the Kwach analogy. But anyone who knows Oloo's history will tell you that he has probably spent a lot more time in Mombasa and Nairobi (if you exlude his sojourn in Canada) than in his "rural home". Today, Oloo is a Nairobian like very many perhaps complete with a voting card for a constituency in Nairobi. For all intents and purposes we shall consider him a Nairobian. It is not any different to Kamale who came to Nairobi in the 70s and made Nairobi his home. My 'rural home' would be Njoro but I seriously have no affiliation with the area as my family and most of what I own is in Nairobi. I vote in Nairobi, my daughter only knows of Nairobi as her home as was born and brought up here. I could give a similar story of an uncle (let us call him Paul) who moved to Kakamega in the late 60s and settled there and him and his kikuyu wife speak fluent luhyia (or whatever dialect is spoken there!). He has invested there and will most likel be buried there when he dies. So let us try and constitute the board of KBC and in the process three people are appointed to the board and these are Oloo, Kamalet and Paul. Straight away the board will have two kikuyus and one luo and then the issue of ethnic diversity will be brought out as an issue - and that will be a completly suitable argument for the tribal mathmatecians. For the majimboists, their argument will be that Nairobi county has been given two seats on the board and Kakamega one whilst other counties did not ge a share. Now try winning this argument of why Kamale or Oloo should be excluded! Kamale , What the Kimunyas have done is just plain wrong no amount of justification can purify or wash away the wrongs . Sometimes its good to admit the wrongs and learn from them. The doings of Kimunya are what ODM banked on and formed their campaign in 2007 on platform of "41 Vs 1" -This is the truth and you know what this led too . The others also wrongfully felt they were being maligned and this almost cost Kibaki the presidency in 2007. Rather than learning 2007 debacle the Kimunyas have decided to to repeat this during the electioneering period by putting their cronies who happen to be from Mt Kenya in parastatal boards without caring on the issue of regional balance. This is very damaging to say the less for Presidential hopefuls in G7 i.e. Uhuru and Ruto , but then again Kimunya is known to be the spoiler after his political career came tumbling down during Grand Regency Fiasco and Pro Kibaki MPs left him to fight it out alone . What the Kimunyas should know or should have learnt from likes of Murungaru and Mwiraria is there is no chance whatsoever for his likes to destroy the chances of G7 candidates in the upcoming elections and consequences will be dear just like in the cases of Murungaru and Mwiraria he will be sent to political oblivion come the General elections. |
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Post by kamalet on May 9, 2012 16:22:52 GMT 3
Let me take this further: Does being born in Kakamega make someone automatically a Luhya and would the host community really accept you as such? Are the Asians, for example, who were born and bred in Mombasa Digos? In advanced democracies like Great Britain where we have various tribes (welsh, Irish, English and Scottish) does it matter one's regional/tribal background really? How many people would really call concrete jungles that are our cities "home" bearing in mind strong cultural ties with where most of ones relatives live? Why do they say home is where the heart is? I think our new constitution will rectify most of the anomalies and mischief being perpetuated with impunity by politicians. There are laws regarding these appointments some which are obviously being broken by appointing fellow tribesmen and cronies whose sole aim is to pull scams once they are in office. The port of Mombasa is especially sensitive bearing in mind it's one of the biggest revenue earners and also where drugs and counterfeit goods are smuggled through, that's why it's right to ask these hard questions. I think Kimunya unwittingly played in the hands of secessionist group MRC who are busy milking this issue for all it's worth. Thanks Justice Warsame has come in and frozen these appointments for now but the biggest question to Kimunya whose reputation is on the scale is: Was it really worth it or could it have been done differently? Destiny I was hoping that we would not narrow this debate to the shenanigans of Kimunya. I much preferred we looked at the problem from a much wider perspective. When the constitution talks about regional and ethnic diversity in the appointments to public office just what does it attempt to address when you have Kenyans that are not domiciled where their tribes originally came from and neither does inter-tribal marriages help in addressing the problem. This of course means that an argument can be won on ethnic balancing and then lost on regional balancing and this effectively led to a situation where we got something from the constitution which was immediately taken away by the other hand of the same constitution! I believe that a cure for tribalism will be the new counties where I am hopeful that Kenyans can work to support the counties they live in ignoring the tribes and people of other counties! When a county like Laikipia thrives, it will be because the communities in Laikipia will have worked hard to enrich themselves - whether they are gikuyu, Samburu or Turkana! If this fails to make a life change for the communities in a county, then this experiment will have miserably failed! |
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Post by Mobimba on May 9, 2012 18:38:52 GMT 3
Keeping Kimunya/KPA out of this… suppose a far flung county dominated only by tribe A miraculously developed a technology that revolutionized life within its borders. I'm talking instant wealth and plum jobs for each and every county bum.
Would it be constitutional for opportunistic immigrants trooping into the now prosperous county to demand 'the face of Kenya' in the management of the life changing technology?
Is there any such thing as "The Face of the County"?
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