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Post by genius on Aug 7, 2012 10:36:01 GMT 3
Patriotism101,
So you agree that as senior employees go, especially for chemical and plant engineers, there is no favouritism towards Sakwa and Gem people and the recruitment is done on merit. The only blot is in the dominance of Sakwa and Gem people at the 'watu wa mkono level.' I do know at least four friends of mine who landed these low level jobs at Spectre and these guys are not from Sakwa nor Gem. Two were from Nyakach, one from Homa Bay and the other from Muhoroni. It is hard to prove that majority of the watu wa mkono are from Sakwa and Gem or from elsewhere. Perhaps a headcount could prove that, I hope you have the staff list with you and are not just relying on street talk.
Concerning Spectre using hammers to make gas cylinders, that is no big deal, just a question of cost versus earnings and also paying attention to future trends. I doubt the scale of business Spectre has justifies investment in that high tech cylinder casting equipment. You see, once you buy a cylinder, you rarely replace it. You keep it for life. I also remember the furore in Kericho when the tea companies laid off the tea pickers and decided to go for tea-picking machines. Probably, spectre is trying to avoid taking such a politically risky move. You do not want to see Atwoli and the Cotu crew at Spectre offices protesting jobs lost due to mechanisation of the cylinder making process. Those hammer-wielders are very glad to keep their jobs for now.
Nevertheless, if mechanising the cylinder-making process will lead to statistically significant rise in profitability, then Spectre would long ago have gone for it. But rest assured no serious entrepreneur will invest in new technology just because it’s the fashionable thing to do.
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Post by patriotism101 on Aug 7, 2012 16:20:21 GMT 3
Patriotism101, So you agree that as senior employees go, especially for chemical and plant engineers, there is no favouritism towards Sakwa and Gem people and the recruitment is done on merit. The only blot is in the dominance of Sakwa and Gem people at the 'watu wa mkono level.' I do know at least four friends of mine who landed these low level jobs at Spectre and these guys are not from Sakwa nor Gem. Two were from Nyakach, one from Homa Bay and the other from Muhoroni. It is hard to prove that majority of the watu wa mkono are from Sakwa and Gem or from elsewhere. Perhaps a headcount could prove that, I hope you have the staff list with you and are not just relying on street talk. Concerning Spectre using hammers to make gas cylinders, that is no big deal, just a question of cost versus earnings and also paying attention to future trends. I doubt the scale of business Spectre has justifies investment in that high tech cylinder casting equipment. You see, once you buy a cylinder, you rarely replace it. You keep it for life. I also remember the furore in Kericho when the tea companies laid off the tea pickers and decided to go for tea-picking machines. Probably, spectre is trying to avoid taking such a politically risky move. You do not want to see Atwoli and the Cotu crew at Spectre offices protesting jobs lost due to mechanisation of the cylinder making process. Those hammer-wielders are very glad to keep their jobs for now. Nevertheless, if mechanising the cylinder-making process will lead to statistically significant rise in profitability, then Spectre would long ago have gone for it. But rest assured no serious entrepreneur will invest in new technology just because it’s the fashionable thing to do. Genius, I think I made my point. If you want to see first hand the evidence of chaotic and haphazard leadership/management Miguna is talking about- visit Spectre International- workers are treated worse than the "mhindi" factories in Kenyan Industrial area. On profitability - I have no idea what you are talking about. Profitability is driven by demand. What you are telling us is that the demand for gas in East and Central Africa (why Africa anyway) is saturated- tell it to the birds. Senti 5 |
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Post by genius on Aug 7, 2012 17:02:22 GMT 3
Patriotism101, So you agree that as senior employees go, especially for chemical and plant engineers, there is no favouritism towards Sakwa and Gem people and the recruitment is done on merit. The only blot is in the dominance of Sakwa and Gem people at the 'watu wa mkono level.' I do know at least four friends of mine who landed these low level jobs at Spectre and these guys are not from Sakwa nor Gem. Two were from Nyakach, one from Homa Bay and the other from Muhoroni. It is hard to prove that majority of the watu wa mkono are from Sakwa and Gem or from elsewhere. Perhaps a headcount could prove that, I hope you have the staff list with you and are not just relying on street talk. Concerning Spectre using hammers to make gas cylinders, that is no big deal, just a question of cost versus earnings and also paying attention to future trends. I doubt the scale of business Spectre has justifies investment in that high tech cylinder casting equipment. You see, once you buy a cylinder, you rarely replace it. You keep it for life. I also remember the furore in Kericho when the tea companies laid off the tea pickers and decided to go for tea-picking machines. Probably, spectre is trying to avoid taking such a politically risky move. You do not want to see Atwoli and the Cotu crew at Spectre offices protesting jobs lost due to mechanisation of the cylinder making process. Those hammer-wielders are very glad to keep their jobs for now. Nevertheless, if mechanising the cylinder-making process will lead to statistically significant rise in profitability, then Spectre would long ago have gone for it. But rest assured no serious entrepreneur will invest in new technology just because it’s the fashionable thing to do. Genius, I think I made my point. If you want to see first hand the evidence of chaotic and haphazard leadership/management Miguna is talking about- visit Spectre International- workers are treated worse than the "mhindi" factories in Kenyan Industrial area. On profitability - I have no idea what you are talking about. Profitability is driven by demand. What you are telling us is that the demand for gas in East and Central Africa (why Africa anyway) is saturated- tell it to the birds. Senti 5 You have no point, sire. Making wild allegations here then when asked for evidence telling me to go to Spectre and investigate is utmost laziness. As for demand of gas, Spectre manufactures gas cylinders. It does not manufacture gas. Demand for gas is not the same thing as demand for gas cylinders. Ask any gas cylinders dealer, the movement of gas cylinders may be fast, but I doubt it is fast enought as to justify investment in automation of the manufacturing process. |
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Post by patriotism101 on Aug 7, 2012 18:07:44 GMT 3
Genius, I think I made my point. If you want to see first hand the evidence of chaotic and haphazard leadership/management Miguna is talking about- visit Spectre International- workers are treated worse than the "mhindi" factories in Kenyan Industrial area. On profitability - I have no idea what you are talking about. Profitability is driven by demand. What you are telling us is that the demand for gas in East and Central Africa (why Africa anyway) is saturated- tell it to the birds. Senti 5 You have no point, sire. Making wild allegations here then when asked for evidence telling me to go to Spectre and investigate is utmost laziness. As for demand of gas, Spectre manufactures gas cylinders. It does not manufacture gas. Demand for gas is not the same thing as demand for gas cylinders. Ask any gas cylinders dealer, the movement of gas cylinders may be fast, but I doubt it is fast enought as to justify investment in automation of the manufacturing process. Lazy? try tired of trying to convince your type that the supply of gas cylinders directly affects supply of gas in East and central Africa. Genius- you cannot have gas without the cylinder- atleast in this part of the world-I have neither the time nor the desire to avail evidence- I speak from experience. It is upto you to continue pretending that RAO and family have any business running acumen. Atleast when working in a "mhindi" factory you can run to Atwoli to complain and threaten a strike (lucky if they dont take a bribe and stab you in the back)- when you work at a factory run by some of these political honchos you have no where to run to. senti 5 |
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Post by topnotch on Aug 7, 2012 19:10:45 GMT 3
You have no point, sire. Making wild allegations here then when asked for evidence telling me to go to Spectre and investigate is utmost laziness. As for demand of gas, Spectre manufactures gas cylinders. It does not manufacture gas. Demand for gas is not the same thing as demand for gas cylinders. Ask any gas cylinders dealer, the movement of gas cylinders may be fast, but I doubt it is fast enought as to justify investment in automation of the manufacturing process. Lazy? try tired of trying to convince your type that the supply of gas cylinders directly affects supply of gas in East and central Africa. Genius- you cannot have gas without the cylinder- atleast in this part of the world-I have neither the time nor the desire to avail evidence- I speak from experience. It is upto you to continue pretending that RAO and family have any business running acumen. Atleast when working in a "mhindi" factory you can run to Atwoli to complain and threaten a strike (lucky if they dont take a bribe and stab you in the back)- when you work at a factory run by some of these political honchos you have no where to run to. senti 5 Patritism101 A gas cylinder is not thrown away and a new one bought when one runs out of gas. It's exchanged, and taken for refilling. I'm sure you know that. So, there is no strict direct relationship between demand for gas and that of the cylinds. |
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Post by patriotism101 on Aug 7, 2012 19:21:07 GMT 3
Lazy? try tired of trying to convince your type that the supply of gas cylinders directly affects supply of gas in East and central Africa. Genius- you cannot have gas without the cylinder- atleast in this part of the world-I have neither the time nor the desire to avail evidence- I speak from experience. It is upto you to continue pretending that RAO and family have any business running acumen. Atleast when working in a "mhindi" factory you can run to Atwoli to complain and threaten a strike (lucky if they dont take a bribe and stab you in the back)- when you work at a factory run by some of these political honchos you have no where to run to. senti 5 Patritism101 A gas cylinder is not thrown away and a new one bought when one runs out of gas. It's exchanged, and taken for refilling. I'm sure you know that. So, there is no strict direct relationship between demand for gas and that of the cylinds. Topnotch- You want us to argue about this- really? How many people will turn eighteen this year in East and Central Africa? assuming half of those start their homes, they will most likely require a meko stove. Back to your argument- that a cylinder is exchanged when gas runs out- it means we now have fewer cylinders for say 1 million more homesteads- you see why I get tired explaining elementary supply and demand lessons to geniuses here on jukwaa? In any case, why should a household have only one cylinder? How many people would like to have choma grilled with gas? Folks in the rural would like to have the commodity but because of the ineptitude of the odingas, they are forced to contend with firewood, leading to massive wipeout of forest cover. The gas infrastructure, in this case cylinders, has everything to do with supply of the commodity. That is all I will say on gas and cylinders my friend. Senti 5 |
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Post by topnotch on Aug 7, 2012 19:30:27 GMT 3
Patritism101 A gas cylinder is not thrown away and a new one bought when one runs out of gas. It's exchanged, and taken for refilling. I'm sure you know that. So, there is no strict direct relationship between demand for gas and that of the cylinds. Topnotch- You want us to argue about this- really? How many people will turn eighteen this year in East and Central Africa? assuming half of those start their homes, they will most likely require a meko stove. Back to your argument- that a cylinder is exchanged when gas runs out- it means we now have fewer cylinders for say 1 million more homesteads- you see why I get tired explaining elementary supply and demand lessons to geniuses here on jukwaa? In any case, why should a household have only one cylinder? How many people would like to have choma grilled with gas? Folks in the rural would like to have the commodity but because of the ineptitude of the odingas, they are forced to contend with firewood, leading to massive wipeout of forest cover. The gas infrastructure, in this case cylinders, has everything to do with supply of the commodity. That is all I will say on gas and cylinders my friend. Senti 5 We won't argue about it, the thread is about Miguna. But it would help if you understood what the words STRICT DIRECT RELATIONSHIP mean in the world of cause and effect. Now back to Mguna. |
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Post by abdulmote on Aug 7, 2012 23:34:25 GMT 3
And so brother Migs is apparently fearful of the threats upon his life and demands 24 hours government provided security, only for him to give precise date and time of his his highly anticipated arrival from holiday! Now that is quite sensible of him, but I think I "don't have a clue" as to what he is up to.
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Post by genius on Aug 8, 2012 10:13:36 GMT 3
Patritism101 A gas cylinder is not thrown away and a new one bought when one runs out of gas. It's exchanged, and taken for refilling. I'm sure you know that. So, there is no strict direct relationship between demand for gas and that of the cylinds. Topnotch- You want us to argue about this- really? How many people will turn eighteen this year in East and Central Africa? assuming half of those start their homes, they will most likely require a meko stove. Back to your argument- that a cylinder is exchanged when gas runs out- it means we now have fewer cylinders for say 1 million more homesteads- you see why I get tired explaining elementary supply and demand lessons to geniuses here on jukwaa? In any case, why should a household have only one cylinder? How many people would like to have choma grilled with gas? Folks in the rural would like to have the commodity but because of the ineptitude of the odingas, they are forced to contend with firewood, leading to massive wipeout of forest cover. The gas infrastructure, in this case cylinders, has everything to do with supply of the commodity. That is all I will say on gas and cylinders my friend. Senti 5 patriotism101, you are quite a comical guy. So now it is Raila's fault that people in the countryside use firewood instead of gas cylinders. FYI, there is no shortage of gas cylinders in Kenya at least for domestic gas users. The shortage is in gas. I have gone to the gas station many times to buy gas only to be told there is no gas or there is a gas shortage because the gas import shipment is stuck in the high seas, or is held up in Mombasa etc, Never have I been told that the gas is there but there are no cylinders to put them in. How ridiculous do you sound mouthing off such nonsense. Let's humour you though: if indeed there is such a shortage of gas cylinders in the whole of East and central Africa and Spectre is doing such a horrible job at satisfying that demand, how come other entrepreneurs have not come up to fill the gap. Here is a business opportunity and the Odingas are such bad businessmen. By, now better businessmen ought to have grabbed the market from them. |
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Post by phil on Aug 8, 2012 10:51:00 GMT 3
Topnotch- You want us to argue about this- really? How many people will turn eighteen this year in East and Central Africa? assuming half of those start their homes, they will most likely require a meko stove. Back to your argument- that a cylinder is exchanged when gas runs out- it means we now have fewer cylinders for say 1 million more homesteads- you see why I get tired explaining elementary supply and demand lessons to geniuses here on jukwaa? In any case, why should a household have only one cylinder? How many people would like to have choma grilled with gas? Folks in the rural would like to have the commodity but because of the ineptitude of the odingas, they are forced to contend with firewood, leading to massive wipeout of forest cover. The gas infrastructure, in this case cylinders, has everything to do with supply of the commodity. That is all I will say on gas and cylinders my friend. Senti 5 patriotism101, you are quite a comical guy. So now it is Raila's fault that people in the countryside use firewood instead of gas cylinders. FYI, there is no shortage of gas cylinders in Kenya at least for domestic gas users. The shortage is in gas. I have gone to the gas station many times to buy gas only to be told there is no gas or there is a gas shortage because the gas import shipment is stuck in the high seas, or is held up in Mombasa etc, Never have I been told that the gas is there but there are no cylinders to put them in. How ridiculous do you sound mouthing off such nonsense. Let's humour you though: if indeed there is such a shortage of gas cylinders in the whole of East and central Africa and Spectre is doing such a horrible job at satisfying that demand, how come other entrepreneurs have not come up to fill the gap. Here is a business opportunity and the Odingas are such bad businessmen. By, now better businessmen ought to have grabbed the market from them. This is just hilarious. LMAO What hasn't Raila been blamed for? |
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Post by podp on Aug 8, 2012 21:53:25 GMT 3
I gave a three-part comprehensive analysis of Miguna's message on the relevant thread. What I found in general was an angry and emotional man's collation of malicious propaganda, innuendo, hearsay and bar-room anecdotes. Of course it was peppered with half-truths and interesting but obviously concocted tales. It was indeed my focus (in reading and comprehending the book) that made me figure out not just the 'message' but chief motivation of the messenger. Finally, I must state my view that of all the presidential candidates for 2013, Raila - despite his flaws - remains the most committed to the fundamental and core reform dream (devolution, Judiciary, Police/security, land, forest conservation, poverty alleviation) based on his record. There are those who given a chance will automatically kill land reforms and paralyse the devolution project. Others would simply walk us back to the Nyayo and Kenyatta era traditions. Thus, while acknowledging Raila to be human (with his own failings), he still remains (in my view) the best hope for pushing the country's major reforms forwards. Thanks job, Let me get over the jet lag and will revert. You are real sober and focused and for that I salute you. |
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Post by einstein on Aug 11, 2012 18:43:15 GMT 3
I gave a three-part comprehensive analysis of Miguna's message on the relevant thread. What I found in general was an angry and emotional man's collation of malicious propaganda, innuendo, hearsay and bar-room anecdotes. Of course it was peppered with half-truths and interesting but obviously concocted tales. It was indeed my focus (in reading and comprehending the book) that made me figure out not just the 'message' but chief motivation of the messenger. Finally, I must state my view that of all the presidential candidates for 2013, Raila - despite his flaws - remains the most committed to the fundamental and core reform dream (devolution, Judiciary, Police/security, land, forest conservation, poverty alleviation) based on his record. There are those who given a chance will automatically kill land reforms and paralyse the devolution project. Others would simply walk us back to the Nyayo and Kenyatta era traditions. Thus, while acknowledging Raila to be human (with his own failings), he still remains (in my view) the best hope for pushing the country's major reforms forwards. Thanks job, Let me get over the jet lag and will revert.You are real sober and focused and for that I salute you. What a jet lag!! Gosh, it is taking FOREVER!! |
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Post by podp on Aug 11, 2012 22:41:20 GMT 3
Thanks job, Let me get over the jet lag and will revert.You are real sober and focused and for that I salute you. retired from the debate. Please carry the button on What a jet lag!! Gosh, it is taking FOREVER!! |
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Post by Mukwhasi on Aug 14, 2012 0:19:53 GMT 3
Meguna
You claim that sarah shouldnt say bad things about you now since she had said very pleasant things about you in the past ,right? Well her is a classic example of you dishing the same pill you want to admisnter to Sarah ,in the past this is what you said about Ruto in the star column "William Ruto is a spoilt brat with a laser sharp tongue. He is also a cry baby. In another life, he would have made an excellent second-hand car salesman. Ruto changes colour more frequently and far better than a chameleon" and this is what you peeled about him in your so called memoires "Ruto is charismatic, articulate, hardworking, rumbustious and ambitious" ,so you also have two mouths huh?
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