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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 5, 2012 7:16:06 GMT 3
Miguna is beginning to ask the exact questions some of us have been asking for many years. Any keen observer must by now come to the conclusion that the civil society's agenda was never for the Kenyan people but for individuals.
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 5, 2012 7:50:52 GMT 3
Miguna is beginning to ask the exact questions some of us have been asking for many years. Any keen observer must by now come to the conclusion that the civil society's agenda was never for the Kenyan people but for individuals. ;D ;D which questions? Raila this Raila that.. Robot voters, goons and groupies? or is he asking himself why he is withholding the crucial "PEV" information from the Police or ICC?  |
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 5, 2012 20:55:56 GMT 3
PS: I will faithfully, that is letter for letter, transcribe MORE minutes of this conversation IN SERIES. There is popular talk of Miguna as a mad man, so due diligence has forced me to listen to his 'talks' to define his coherence, flow of thought, that I compare to what I think a mad man would sound like. Below is the mad Jaluos MM talking. I am revisiting known definitions of madnessTAKE 3 start time-check 07:40RADIOMAN: One of the questions here, which I think is a fantastic question, which somebody has asked, is who will you vote for in 2013. Miguna: that one right now i am holding my cards close to my chest. because first of all we do not know who will be on the ballot. up to that moment some people will drop out. we wait to see who rare the progressive candidates . i analyse them in my book and say, they have to be progressive, they have to be consistent, they have to be focused on the issues that affect the majority of the peoples of Kenya. starting with the unemployment of over 70% of our youth, that situation has to be addressed. looking at tribalism nepotism and corruption. those to me are the big ticket issues that will lead me to decide on who to vote for and who not to vote for. by no means should Kenyans vote for anyone who has been involved in these corruptions or corrupt deals or scams. i would urge Kenyans to vet these people very very thoroughly, starting with who they have hired, since they held these positions in power, whether in the ministries, whether in their private capacities, or whether in their political entourage, we have to vet each one of them. 09:000 MIGUNA: .. There is a national strategic reserve that supplies maize to the market, supplies to millers and other people who sell maize to consumers, and this was supposed to be subsidized by the government, so that the people do not have to pay very high prices because they could not afford it. But instead of the government bringing the maize at a subsidized price for normal citizens so that it could goes to the national reserve and then released to the market, dealers, mainly briefcase dealers, mainly lodged at the ministry of agriculture, the Pm's office and many other departments within government, brought maize, sometimes even bad maize in bulk, from south Africa and other places, and had it admitted into the market unprocedurally. What would happen is that they would have letters allocated, ---sometimes the maize is not even brought, but letters were issued, fake letters, to dealers, fake dealers, who would go for instance with 100,000 bags allocated on a piece of paper. You go to a miller or a dealer in industrial area, and you tell the dealer or miller that you have 100,000 bags of maize, and you tell them you can sell this for say 2,000 ksh/bag. This person would then pay you the 2000/bag, you get the money and the person goes -- instead of you then supplying the maize, they go to the national reserve which is not your maize --because you are supposed to have brought the maize .... so they go direct to the national reserve and they are given maize. so you you get your money, and you have done nothing. You have not brought the maize, you have not even taken it from the national reserve to the miller, and here you are going home with millions of money..... radio-co-host: You are basically getting money for nothing ... MIGUNA: for nothing yes... That is how Raila, some of his relatives, and Karoli and even his children, made huge amounts of money, doing nothing. Now there is a specific case in the book of maize that was brought from South Africa through Mozambique. Raila got into an argument with the minister of ... is it health and sanitation, Beth Mugo, about the contamination, inspection and why the maize was released into the market.. Raila intervening by asking a private company and not a government institution to inspect the maize, and giving it a green-light to be released and supplied to the country and the citizens even if it was contaminated. So I deal in depth about the allegations surrounding this scandal, and how the office or people close to Raila were involved. I got this information from well-wishers who said: Look, we are ready to support Raila. But he has to come clean on this thing, because maize, is affecting mostly our supporters, ODM supporters, who are poor and are relying on the maize products to be able to live. so they said look, if Raila is going to make a difference in our lives, we will support him. Bring this to his attention. I called Raila, asked for a meeting. I went to Orengo and Nyong'o. We had a private meeting at the Nairobi Safari club, a private meeting after work, after at 6 o clock. Raila came to the meeting, and Anyang' Nyong'o and Orengo, the reason why I roped them in is because Anyang' Nyong'o is the secretary general of the party, Orengo was very close and is still close to Raila and Raila listens to him, so we needed a small group that could persuade him to do something about this scandal which was threatening to cripple his ascendancy to the presidency. I was working for his best interests. He came to the meeting, and shortly afterwards Karoli walks in. He invited Karoli, the same person we were suppose to discuss. Then I realised Raila is not real. RADIOMAN: But to your credit, you actually still carried on in front of Karoli, If I remember rightly in the book, MIGUNA: yes, and raised the issue RADIOMAN: Mr Prime minster Karoli has apparently been involved in all this corruption, and you pushed on the point, and at that point the Prime Minister effectively [kujuud ?] you? [ MIGUNA: And he told me do not call it a scandal. essentially he was telling me: see no evil hear no evil. I challenge [over the book] the people who are saying why did you stay there for so long! Well, if I did not stay, how would I know all this? If I did not work with Raila, how credible would be my story? The only reason my story is credible, is because I was a confidant, he trusted me. I heard and saw everything. And so, if I hear a conspiracy, of somebody going to be killed, and then I take off without hearing the entire conspiracy, would I help the police apprehend the criminals? No, I would only be able to do that if i have this trust vested in me, and I can report it so that the criminals can be apprehended. I did that. I had the options of keeping quiet. I had the option of eating with them. I had the option of resigning too quickly. --If you remember, even Githong'o did not resign too quickly. He waited until he had all the tapes. I was not gonna tape anyone, I mean everybody uses their own style. I do not tape people without their consent. So I never taped anyone. And I am not saying Githong'o should not have taped, I am just saying that is not my style. I took notes, and I have my notes. RADIOMAN: Now, maize scandal i used as an example, because you deal with many other scandals in a similar manner.... Really give us a fly on the wall view of what really happened at the higher levels of the ODM INCLUDING THE Prime ministers, whether it was the maize scandal or the PEV.. many other things MIGUNA: Whether it is the KKV RADIOMAN: KKV, you go through all these things here. I mean if, at one point, kwa mapenzi ya Mungu, we end up with a stage where we actually act on these scandals, and the K-CC summons you. Would you be prepared to go as a witness?. MIGUNA: Of course. Of course, any day any time. Why are they not instituting even a judicial inquiry? These are the kind of things that call on Kenyans to have judicial inquiries. Some of these things can only be dealt with in those circumstances. A good police force would by now have all the evidence, and by the way, I think they have all the evidence. They are just not charging anyone. RADIOMAN: and do you think, ...I mean,.. carry on please.. MIGUNA: Because, I mean, let me tell you: how would any civil servant earning less than ksh: 500 thousand per month, buy vehicles worth 20 millions in one year? That alone is enough to send somebody to jail. You do not need any other evidence in law --he he.. [time-check 16:17]2nd instalment. transcript: xx:00-09:00 RADIOMAN: Now one question I have been meaning to ask you, which is, if I could use the term, people whom we colloquially call the 'bearded sisters', people you were involved with right from campus to... some of the radical politics of the day, who were an unashamedly Marxist,... what do you have to say to them, because they obviously came with very high principles, ..... they had a view of a reformed Kenya, even if i did not agree with their principles.. and now most of them are mired in 'muck'. What would you say to them. MIGUNA: To tell you the truth, I think many of those people never believed in those principles. They, like Raila, pretended to be socialists, reformists; pretended to be social democrats, but those are just words. They used those words to delude the people into thinking they are fighting for them. They were manipulating the people. These are the people ... remember in 2007/2008 Raila Odinga sent Maina Njenga the book 48 rules of power, it means he believes in the 48 rules of power, such a silly book really, --one of which is to destroy the opposition --- yes yes, those are his principles, that is not Marxist Leninist that is not a progressive thinker. So we believed unfortunately, that these people were progressive, consistently, but now from close, up-close, working with them, I discovered No, that was just a ruse. Many of them have been involved in all kinds of corrupt deals. RADIOMAN ....would you mention some of those... MIGUNA: Well, I think they are in my book.. he he he! RADIO-CO-HOST {at the prompting of the other presenter]: Before we get into all those, I think they are more like comments now.. from twitter: I want to give you, Miguna, more opportunity to explain further, more reasons whey you wrote this book. MIGUNA: Yes, It is important for people to know that, umm, and I mention this in the book, that, before I came back, during the constitutional review process, one of my best friends, role-model, my mentor, professor Crispin Odhiambo Mbai, was brutally murdered in Kenya, and his killers have never been apprehended, convicted and sentenced. This is a tragedy I think, because he was one of the brilliant thinkers in this country; one of the people who brought up and promoted devolution as a concept in this country during Bomas, and he was also Raila's adviser and close friend, and I had spoken with all kinds of people, Raila Odinga, Anyang' Nyong'o and other ministers, asking them, pleading with them, to help me and others unravel who killed Odhiambo Mbai. and they never did anything up to this moment. There are many other people who have been assassinated, as a matter of fact right now as we are speaking, Mombasa is burning as a result of the assassination of Sheikh Rogo. This kind of killing, the killing of Oulu .. Kang'ara and the rest, this culture of blood, the culture of cutting your opponents down because you disagree with them, is not a culture we should encourage. and i had thought Raila odinga had reached a point where he wanted to deal with this culture. now he is the prime minister, he is at the highest level of any government, when he does nothing and talks like a pedestrian on the street, wailing, just like any other youth, saying police should do this and that, then you realise this man is not ready to be the president of Kenya. [] |
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 5, 2012 21:38:28 GMT 3
WHERE IS KAROLI'S ORARO? A TONGUE IN CHEEK LOOK.   In the betting circuit, we billed and hyped it up as the clash of the titans. Miguna Miguna had thrown down the challenge nationally on Television -- puffed the airwaves would be more apt ;D, daring anybody in the Prime Minister's office to sue him for libel, and be taught law. Karoli Omondi immediately rose to the occasion, by hiring the biggest gun in town who happened to have just had Kosgey disentangled, and what was more, was certified anywola. Oraro the old wit would no doubt make mince meat of the boisterous Njuguna Njuguna before a panel of learned judges. Come one, Come all! Yes, as we flogged tickets for the show-down, we promised the biggest rumble in the courts. Not ever since the maestro SM Otieno went toe to toe with the equally great Byron Georgiadis on a matter of legal dispute, had anything with this potential come up in our national arena of legal combat. O yeah, legal hairs would be heroically split here, postulations made which even Herr Dr. Prof Mr. K  . would write disputations upon. And that is saying something if you have read some of the German's dissensions at the ICC. But some pundits of course said smart-alec Oraro would run through the young upstart Miguna like a knife through butter; or that he would ran rings around the mad Miguna, in a fashion similar to what the great Brit Deverell once did upon home-grown learned men. Deverell was the lawyer Njonjo hired in the judicial inquiry Moi instituted to ruin him. Then Miguna fled to Canada, that was Jukwaa's popular version of the event, and like a hottie in the event of a premature ejaculation, those we had hypnotised by the hyped gladiatorial contest in the courtroom, were left hanging irritably in there. Some demanding refund. And the now notorious Jukwaa, whose even more notorious proprietor, OO, now exploited as an infamous bile-processing plant, went into overdrive with Miguna bashing. --The bile had a very fishy odour, though some thought it was more kenchic than fish, and more chips-ish than kaunga[/i'. But fact was it had become a snake-pit of viperous Jaruos, hissing venom 24/7 in nauseating and debilitating doses at Miguna. This Miguna was the small rat who, overgrowing his place, belled the pet cat, or as they said in those days, launched the festival of peeling back masks.
And then Miguna returned from Canada, and emm... it had been just a holiday off after all. Not a run baby run on us!
Once again we held our breaths, waiting for the biggest legal brain from home, Oraro, thickly motivated by the proceeds of the bando or maize trade which had fallen Karoli Omondi's way, to summon young Miguna and show him his place at the apprentice bench: Retraction or Kamiti, and with fines that hurt the pocket deep.
And we waited, and we waited. But the old prize-fighter Oraro was a no show. Miguna had peeled back one more mask or what??? Sarah Elderkin went to work. Raila followed, declaring Miguna mad. Still Oraro was missing, --preparing his summons no doubt, building an iron-clad case, ticket salesmen fending off irate calls for refunds soothed.Oraro hurries not, meticulous man that he is; as he proved for Kosgey recently in the whiteman's land.
And Miguna toured the country, where professor Nyong'o, calling him a NISS project, asked ODMers to give him a royal welcome, the Kogalo fans clud style  . Undeterred, Miguna, alias Njuguna, went on radio to repeat the same. Now, it started to look like Karoli was holding his tongue because he could not find a lawyer to dust off the white powder soiling his dark suits, or? The question arose whether Oraro had found out this man was swimming in sh!it, and needed a change of nappies which was not a lawyer's job??
MY HUNCH: IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CONTAMINATED MAIZE.
The NISS of Gichangi will definitely have all the facts of this case. They would recognize its enormity, and payback scales. It must be one of their most precious files. {I disagree with Miguna who thinks it is the police who have all the facts of the case].
When you import contaminated maize and distribute it for public consumption knowingly, and the contamination is certified by credible laboratories as injurious to human health, these days the charge against you is similar to terrorism. Like a man responsible for a poisonous gas attack on a civilian population, or the one who tried to poison a city-water system in a certain European capital: terrorism. Attempted mass poisoning, abetting, failure to prevent mass death, or the risk thereof.
Alternative charges: plotting to cause mass death; accessory to... Up to about twelve counts. It is pure evil.
When Oraro deduced these were possible charges against Karoli, what could he do? Libel looked irrelevant. Karoli had to hire him under 'Kosgey' terms. Mad Miguna could be holding a weapon of mass destruction, leave alone mere mask-peeling. Oraro was not going to walk into that trap.
2. With Jaluos being great ugali-eaters, and jaluos themselves importing contaminated maize, something is definitely rotten at the heart of the house of Opir. Last time we tried to kill our own children in peace-time, the tribe split. May be Oraro knows this story.
Or maybe all is not lost, but things could still work out, that we in the betting circuit will not have to refund the tickets already sold on the much hyped ORARO vs MIGUNA, starring CJ Mutunga as referee.
Sit baaaack folks! It is the season of masks peeling back. And maybe Jukwaa's mask too is on the line.
No longer tongue in cheek: poisoning a well where folk and livestock drink, or poisoning the grannary in Luo culture. The sentence was death by a spear driven up from the a-s-s hole through to the mouth. Just that you know.
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Post by Mobimba on Sept 6, 2012 0:12:09 GMT 3
Jakswanga,
Even you must accept that a courtroom spectacle can only benefit MM. Yes, threats were made in the heat of the moment but gentlemen don’t take such very seriously.
MM himself issued some 'kneel-before-me' threats that he no longer wants to talk about.
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 6, 2012 2:33:20 GMT 3
PS: I will faithfully, that is letter for letter, transcribe MORE minutes of this conversation IN SERIES. There is popular talk of Miguna as a mad man, so due diligence has forced me to listen to his 'talks' to define his coherence, flow of thought, that I compare to what I think a mad man would sound like. Below is the mad Jaluos MM talking. I am revisiting known definitions of madnessTAKE 3 start time-check 07:40RADIOMAN: One of the questions here, which I think is a fantastic question, which somebody has asked, is who will you vote for in 2013. Miguna: that one right now i am holding my cards close to my chest. because first of all we do not know who will be on the ballot. up to that moment some people will drop out. we wait to see who rare the progressive candidates . i analyse them in my book and say, they have to be progressive, they have to be consistent, they have to be focused on the issues that affect the majority of the peoples of Kenya. starting with the unemployment of over 70% of our youth, that situation has to be addressed. looking at tribalism nepotism and corruption. those to me are the big ticket issues that will lead me to decide on who to vote for and who not to vote for. by no means should Kenyans vote for anyone who has been involved in these corruptions or corrupt deals or scams. i would urge Kenyans to vet these people very very thoroughly, starting with who they have hired, since they held these positions in power, whether in the ministries, whether in their private capacities, or whether in their political entourage, we have to vet each one of them. 09:000 MIGUNA: .. There is a national strategic reserve that supplies maize to the market, supplies to millers and other people who sell maize to consumers, and this was supposed to be subsidized by the government, so that the people do not have to pay very high prices because they could not afford it. But instead of the government bringing the maize at a subsidized price for normal citizens so that it could goes to the national reserve and then released to the market, dealers, mainly briefcase dealers, mainly lodged at the ministry of agriculture, the Pm's office and many other departments within government, brought maize, sometimes even bad maize in bulk, from south Africa and other places, and had it admitted into the market unprocedurally. What would happen is that they would have letters allocated, ---sometimes the maize is not even brought, but letters were issued, fake letters, to dealers, fake dealers, who would go for instance with 100,000 bags allocated on a piece of paper. You go to a miller or a dealer in industrial area, and you tell the dealer or miller that you have 100,000 bags of maize, and you tell them you can sell this for say 2,000 ksh/bag. This person would then pay you the 2000/bag, you get the money and the person goes -- instead of you then supplying the maize, they go to the national reserve which is not your maize --because you are supposed to have brought the maize .... so they go direct to the national reserve and they are given maize. so you you get your money, and you have done nothing. You have not brought the maize, you have not even taken it from the national reserve to the miller, and here you are going home with millions of money..... radio-co-host: You are basically getting money for nothing ... MIGUNA: for nothing yes... That is how Raila, some of his relatives, and Karoli and even his children, made huge amounts of money, doing nothing. Now there is a specific case in the book of maize that was brought from South Africa through Mozambique. Raila got into an argument with the minister of ... is it health and sanitation, Beth Mugo, about the contamination, inspection and why the maize was released into the market.. Raila intervening by asking a private company and not a government institution to inspect the maize, and giving it a green-light to be released and supplied to the country and the citizens even if it was contaminated. So I deal in depth about the allegations surrounding this scandal, and how the office or people close to Raila were involved. I got this information from well-wishers who said: Look, we are ready to support Raila. But he has to come clean on this thing, because maize, is affecting mostly our supporters, ODM supporters, who are poor and are relying on the maize products to be able to live. so they said look, if Raila is going to make a difference in our lives, we will support him. Bring this to his attention. I called Raila, asked for a meeting. I went to Orengo and Nyong'o. We had a private meeting at the Nairobi Safari club, a private meeting after work, after at 6 o clock. Raila came to the meeting, and Anyang' Nyong'o and Orengo, the reason why I roped them in is because Anyang' Nyong'o is the secretary general of the party, Orengo was very close and is still close to Raila and Raila listens to him, so we needed a small group that could persuade him to do something about this scandal which was threatening to cripple his ascendancy to the presidency. I was working for his best interests. He came to the meeting, and shortly afterwards Karoli walks in. He invited Karoli, the same person we were suppose to discuss. Then I realised Raila is not real. RADIOMAN: But to your credit, you actually still carried on in front of Karoli, If I remember rightly in the book, MIGUNA: yes, and raised the issue RADIOMAN: Mr Prime minster Karoli has apparently been involved in all this corruption, and you pushed on the point, and at that point the Prime Minister effectively [kujuud ?] you? [ MIGUNA: And he told me do not call it a scandal. essentially he was telling me: see no evil hear no evil. I challenge [over the book] the people who are saying why did you stay there for so long! Well, if I did not stay, how would I know all this? If I did not work with Raila, how credible would be my story? The only reason my story is credible, is because I was a confidant, he trusted me. I heard and saw everything. And so, if I hear a conspiracy, of somebody going to be killed, and then I take off without hearing the entire conspiracy, would I help the police apprehend the criminals? No, I would only be able to do that if i have this trust vested in me, and I can report it so that the criminals can be apprehended. I did that. I had the options of keeping quiet. I had the option of eating with them. I had the option of resigning too quickly. --If you remember, even Githong'o did not resign too quickly. He waited until he had all the tapes. I was not gonna tape anyone, I mean everybody uses their own style. I do not tape people without their consent. So I never taped anyone. And I am not saying Githong'o should not have taped, I am just saying that is not my style. I took notes, and I have my notes. RADIOMAN: Now, maize scandal i used as an example, because you deal with many other scandals in a similar manner.... Really give us a fly on the wall view of what really happened at the higher levels of the ODM INCLUDING THE Prime ministers, whether it was the maize scandal or the PEV.. many other things MIGUNA: Whether it is the KKV RADIOMAN: KKV, you go through all these things here. I mean if, at one point, kwa mapenzi ya Mungu, we end up with a stage where we actually act on these scandals, and the K-CC summons you. Would you be prepared to go as a witness?. MIGUNA: Of course. Of course, any day any time. Why are they not instituting even a judicial inquiry? These are the kind of things that call on Kenyans to have judicial inquiries. Some of these things can only be dealt with in those circumstances. A good police force would by now have all the evidence, and by the way, I think they have all the evidence. They are just not charging anyone. RADIOMAN: and do you think, ...I mean,.. carry on please.. MIGUNA: Because, I mean, let me tell you: how would any civil servant earning less than ksh: 500 thousand per month, buy vehicles worth 20 millions in one year? That alone is enough to send somebody to jail. You do not need any other evidence in law --he he.. [time-check 16:17]2nd instalment. transcript: xx:00-09:00 RADIOMAN: Now one question I have been meaning to ask you, which is, if I could use the term, people whom we colloquially call the 'bearded sisters', people you were involved with right from campus to... some of the radical politics of the day, who were an unashamedly Marxist,... what do you have to say to them, because they obviously came with very high principles, ..... they had a view of a reformed Kenya, even if i did not agree with their principles.. and now most of them are mired in 'muck'. What would you say to them. MIGUNA: To tell you the truth, I think many of those people never believed in those principles. They, like Raila, pretended to be socialists, reformists; pretended to be social democrats, but those are just words. They used those words to delude the people into thinking they are fighting for them. They were manipulating the people. These are the people ... remember in 2007/2008 Raila Odinga sent Maina Njenga the book 48 rules of power, it means he believes in the 48 rules of power, such a silly book really, --one of which is to destroy the opposition --- yes yes, those are his principles, that is not Marxist Leninist that is not a progressive thinker. So we believed unfortunately, that these people were progressive, consistently, but now from close, up-close, working with them, I discovered No, that was just a ruse. Many of them have been involved in all kinds of corrupt deals. RADIOMAN ....would you mention some of those... MIGUNA: Well, I think they are in my book.. he he he! RADIO-CO-HOST {at the prompting of the other presenter]: Before we get into all those, I think they are more like comments now.. from twitter: I want to give you, Miguna, more opportunity to explain further, more reasons whey you wrote this book. MIGUNA: Yes, It is important for people to know that, umm, and I mention this in the book, that, before I came back, during the constitutional review process, one of my best friends, role-model, my mentor, professor Crispin Odhiambo Mbai, was brutally murdered in Kenya, and his killers have never been apprehended, convicted and sentenced. This is a tragedy I think, because he was one of the brilliant thinkers in this country; one of the people who brought up and promoted devolution as a concept in this country during Bomas, and he was also Raila's adviser and close friend, and I had spoken with all kinds of people, Raila Odinga, Anyang' Nyong'o and other ministers, asking them, pleading with them, to help me and others unravel who killed Odhiambo Mbai. and they never did anything up to this moment. There are many other people who have been assassinated, as a matter of fact right now as we are speaking, Mombasa is burning as a result of the assassination of Sheikh Rogo. This kind of killing, the killing of Oulu .. Kang'ara and the rest, this culture of blood, the culture of cutting your opponents down because you disagree with them, is not a culture we should encourage. and i had thought Raila odinga had reached a point where he wanted to deal with this culture. now he is the prime minister, he is at the highest level of any government, when he does nothing and talks like a pedestrian on the street, wailing, just like any other youth, saying police should do this and that, then you realise this man is not ready to be the president of Kenya. [] They realized that there was no need to deal with a "madman".. being used by others to do their dirty work, .. they were please to note that got a Hero's welcome in central province and were very pleased for him and wished him well with his new bosom buddies in central province  |
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Post by kamalet on Sept 6, 2012 11:25:59 GMT 3
Jakswanga, Even you must accept that a courtroom spectacle can only benefit MM. Yes, threats were made in the heat of the moment but gentlemen don’t take such very seriously. MM himself issued some 'kneel-before-me' threats that he no longer wants to talk about. Lincoln It could just be 'the heat of the moment', but I think the Carolis of this world attempting to put Miguna on the DOCK would not relish the idea of having to explain some of their wealth away, and you can bet you last penny that Miguna would put them to task to explain their sudden rise to wealth! So I guess the strategy of letting it die a natural death rather than keep it alive was the sensible one! In any case if the issue came to light and some element of truth confirmed, you can imagine the damage it would do to one RAO in a period leading to the elections. Miguna should just hope that his nemesis does not become president for he will be hauled through the judicial system when and if that time comes! |
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Post by abdulmote on Sept 6, 2012 11:46:16 GMT 3
Jakaswanga
Your "tongue in cheek" was brilliantly drawn!
Well crafted and thanks for that.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2012 19:02:45 GMT 3
Jakaswanga Your "tongue in cheek" was brilliantly drawn! Well crafted and thanks for that. Abdulmote, I take after my late dad who, I paraphrase, once taught humour was the sugarcoat that made the bitter realities of Afrika consumable to the mind. Suppose I dropped the humour? ;D how would you look at the deliberate importation and distribution for public consumption of harmful foodstuff by a handful of people in responsible positions? I am sure if you did that to Tutsis in Rwanda, tough guy Paul Kagame would have you executed half an hour after the control lab-test has proved conclusive. That kind of vicious and integrated mindset is outside the scope of Kenyan thinking, so humour and bar-talk instead will do. Hopefully. No, no vacancies in Kenya for tough guys! sissies are my type these days! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2012 19:16:17 GMT 3
Jakswanga, Even you must accept that a courtroom spectacle can only benefit MM. Yes, threats were made in the heat of the moment but gentlemen don’t take such very seriously. MM himself issued some 'kneel-before-me' threats that he no longer wants to talk about. Lincoln, I accepted that long ago! and I also accepted that Miguna was shrewd enough to have calculated he would win this bluff, once Karoli was forced to see the real consequences of going to court! But there is another court of public opinion of Luoland which operates on a very different dynamic: So this would be the moment we say in Luo: bwoch wek bwoga gi buoyo modhiero mach!' That is, there being no fire in blanks, called will be your bluff'! So Miguna returned from his holiday to call Karoli's bluff, and Oraro is reduced to a paper-tiger! This means when Oraro next appears in Kisumu, he runs the risk of harassment (as some prominent people from Nairobi have found out to their cost in the past): How come such a top legal brain can not shut Miguna up in court? lock him up in jail? Lincoln, try explaining that to the cheeky Kondele mob when they want to reign in an arrogant smart-Alec from Nairobi! {experts at pulling ones leg they are for entertainment!]. |
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 6, 2012 23:53:21 GMT 3
All,
If we are going to continue with well over half of all postings here focused on all things Miguna, I have a suggestion to make.
First of all, it is every member's right to write as much about Miguna as s/he likes. So do not misunderstand me, please...
I have not contributed much on the Miguna threads. I think there are other issues that demand equal, if not more attention. For a listing of some very critical ones see here www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1492072/-/item/1/-/gcys7a/-/index.html
While those wanting to continue to write about MM are free to do so, you could make your contributions more interesting for the rest of us if you include specific references to various parts of the Mask that you have issues with, that you like, reject or want to counter with facts. So start naming chapter and verse, please. Very little of that has been done thus far. In fact, I have mostly read rather general observations and I don't think I am the only one who is getting tired of these. Over the past 24 hours the traffic to Jukwaa has dropped below 1350.
Furaha , I take it you visit Jukwaa because it's the in thing to do, eh? Monitoring hits. Sorry it seems the "Neanderthals" have taken over as the "genuine" Jukwaasits have fled to the hills. No more kumbayas for the Dear Leader here, I'm afraid. He has been put through the microscope, run through the cauldron, until it is determined whether he is fit to be the 4th president of this republic. Having the core element of his choir voluntarily leave Jukwaa is a price worth paying if we can get to the bottom of that task. If it means having a thousand Miguna threads, so mote it be.... Only a crazy person would bother to take Miguna to court, a man who wrote a book full of allegations without substantiating any of the allegations.. a man who screamed on national Media that he is withholding "PEV" crucial information? why isn't he being held in jail and asked to produce the PEV information ? Kenyans are wondering.. for the answer one has to only look at the "HEROIC" welcome he received in central province and how he wonders around the country with detailed Police security forces paid by Kenya Tax payers.. LOOK NO FURTHER.. no need to ta..ke a mad man to court ama.. ;D the Robotic voters!! goons and groupies as Miguna calls Kenyans citizens are watching and waiting... to see how it plays out next.. ;D |
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. would write disputations upon. And that is saying something if you have read some of the German's dissensions at the ICC.
. Undeterred, Miguna, alias Njuguna, went on radio to repeat the same. Now, it started to look like Karoli was holding his tongue because he could not find a lawyer to dust off the white powder soiling his dark suits, or? The question arose whether Oraro had found out this man was swimming in sh!it, and needed a change of nappies which was not a lawyer's job??
