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Post by kamalet on Dec 19, 2012 10:51:18 GMT 3
Uhuru decided to play a very dangerous game with Mudavadi that could have seriuosly hurt him politically.
Lying to Mudavadi and even signing a piece of paper that he never intended to honour just to lock out Mudavadi out of any deals with CORD may have been clever, but it was also dangerously silly. Having some knowledge of how Uhuru and Ruto operate in setting up people they have little respect for this was one heck of a political game.
The problem I have is that Uhuru decided to drag the charade for a long time that was both unnecessary but was hurting Jubilee as a coalition. They had managed to lock out MM from CORD so they needed to drop the cold truth on him early enough rather than take him through a charade of planning a delegates conference that was sure to beat MM the moment the first delegate was called. Uhuru nearly alienated his supporters with this silly game!
But this does also expose Mudavadi for his political naivety. One would expect that in ten years Mudavadi would have learnt to do his political arithmetic properly. For one who prior to Kichinjio Kasarani was literary helped to the leadership of Kanu by the dropping out of the race by Jirongo at a cost of 5 million shillings 2 of which was paid by Ruto and the other two by Uhuru leaving him to pay 1 million and thereafter his sham promotion to VP, one would expect that he would have learnt his lessons well. But he is simply too dumb to see through the lies of people he had a week before dismissed as not being suitable to lead with the ICC hanging over their heads. The fact that he was bringing nothing much to the table he should have stopped to ask himself why these two guys would happily crown him president whilst they had chucked out Kalonzo and Wamalwa!
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Post by mzee on Dec 19, 2012 11:11:47 GMT 3
Kamale,
Uhuru is a politician and they all lie. He was doing what is considered good politics in some parts of kenya.
So, its Mudavadi who is a complete idiot. Let him go for governor of Kakamega because I don't think he can win in Nairobi or elsewhere. Or else he is faced with minority/majority leaders position.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 19, 2012 11:15:22 GMT 3
Kamale, Uhuru is a politician and they all lie. He was doing what is considered good politics in some parts of kenya. So, its Mudavadi who is a complete idiot. Let him go for governor of Kakamega because I don't think he can win in Nairobi or elsewhere. Or else he is faced with minority/majority leaders position. Mzee I agree that Uhuru is a politician...but I think he would have played this a little more wisely! |
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Post by cheshirecat on Dec 19, 2012 11:28:52 GMT 3
Kamale, Uhuru is a politician and they all lie. He was doing what is considered good politics in some parts of kenya. So, its Mudavadi who is a complete idiot. Let him go for governor of Kakamega because I don't think he can win in Nairobi or elsewhere. Or else he is faced with minority/majority leaders position. Mzee I agree that Uhuru is a politician...but I think he would have played this a little more wisely! Well, I think they have just gifted CORD the election. All Raila need do now is to replay to Luhyas over and over again how their favorite son was betrayed by those back-stabbing kikuyus. If Raila loses in March, then he is a worse politician than Mudavadi |
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Post by nowayhaha on Dec 19, 2012 12:59:25 GMT 3
Kamale -Playing to the gallery - I say watch this space
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 19, 2012 16:51:39 GMT 3
Kamale,
I have to agree, the initial execution of the plan was very clever nut the exit strategy was not very thought about. The moment they left it to kina Shebesh, thats the time they lost the plot.
I listened to Ruto on cheche this morning, and as usual he displayed his usual political genius as he engaged in damage control. From the little sentiments I have heard so far, the biggest headache for jubilee now is those who were already sitting on the fence in RV. The whole question that is emerging now is, why should we be asked to support people who cannot support anybody else at any given time. More reason why Ruto had to be on cheche this morning. The good thing for them, however, is having Ruto as DPORK. It is still working well for them especially now that CORD does not seem to have any significant plan/position for RV.
They will need to swing into action immediately, get the nominations done over with, and concentrate on selling their ticket. They so far have very good campaigners including Mungatana, Balala, Mwakwere, Ngilu, Dwale and of course Ruto and Uhuru. This looks to me a very formidable team, if it can be managed well. But, I have to agree, they made the campaigns a little too difficult for themselves.
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Dec 19, 2012 17:51:50 GMT 3
Uhuru was told about the Congolese case acquittal, and was subsequently advised that he stood a chance to clear his name at the ICC. That judgement was only made yesterday to make him change his mind on Mudavadi.
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 19, 2012 18:46:06 GMT 3
[/b][/quote]b] www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000073266&story_title=Kenya-Ruto:-Uhuru-was-not-forced-to-back-MudavadiAnd now Ruto Back-stabs Uhuru in the open? no wonder "TNT" refused Ruto's delegates to vote.. seems that he was actually in support of handing Mudavadi the Presidency ticket.. if his delegates were to vote.. Uhuruto marriage of backstabbing is not working.. Ruto should have stood with Uhuru in public..after all the work they have down together to bring Jubilee together.. just, either way Mudavadi was a late comer in the Mix.....my 2centi |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 19, 2012 20:49:15 GMT 3
Mzee I agree that Uhuru is a politician...but I think he would have played this a little more wisely! Well, I think they have just gifted CORD the election. All Raila need do now is to replay to Luhyas over and over again how their favorite son was betrayed by those back-stabbing kikuyus. If Raila loses in March, then he is a worse politician than Mudavadi I do not think the Luhya vote is going to count for anything in this election. Their leaders have crewed up that constituency big time. Coupled with the community's lack of political consciousness as compared to the Luo, Kikuyu, Kalenjin and lately the Kamba, their vote will be insignificant. Consider this; three days ago, only 1.2M of them had registered to vote. Come election time, only 56% percent will turn up to vote and will always split their votes into three to four corners (Mudavadi, CORD, Wamalwa and Jubilee in that order). How does this help anyone? The only way CORD can maybe bank majority of this vote is by beseeching MM not to run. But what will they offer him in return? I think Jubilee is still sitting pretty, Uhuru's misstep notwithstanding. |
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Post by bob on Dec 19, 2012 21:04:42 GMT 3
Well, I think they have just gifted CORD the election. All Raila need do now is to replay to Luhyas over and over again how their favorite son was betrayed by those back-stabbing kikuyus. If Raila loses in March, then he is a worse politician than Mudavadi I do not think the Luhya vote is going to count for anything in this election. Their leaders have crewed up that constituency big time. Coupled with the community's lack of political consciousness as compared to the Luo, Kikuyu, Kalenjin and lately the Kamba, their vote will be insignificant. Consider this; three days ago, only 1.2M of them had registered to vote. Come election time, only 56% percent will turn up to vote and will always split their votes into three to four corners (Mudavadi, CORD, Wamalwa and Jubilee in that order). How does this help anyone? The only way CORD can maybe bank majority of this vote is by beseeching MM not to run. But what will they offer him in return? I think Jubilee is still sitting pretty, Uhuru's misstep notwithstanding. It is high time you started believing that Jubilee is in more trouble than you are imagining ,I suggest you get in touch with people on the ground in Western Kenya & get to know the reality on the ground,you will be shocked because MM is about to be handed viboko probably worse than he got in 2002.Trust me its no joke,things are thick & serious. |
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Post by Mobimba on Dec 19, 2012 21:08:08 GMT 3
Fellas,
Let's get real. Uhuru himself has confessed that he was forced by the devil to sign on Mudavadi. How that act of panic becomes a pointer of political genius is beyond me. To spin this cacophony into a master art in brinkmanship is funny. Uhuru was hedging nothing. He simply unwillingly and unwittingly reacted to CORD. Frantically. Period.
The foolishness of this move and consequent public nonstop shagging of Mudavadi plus the unforgettable bamboozlement of Wamalwa has totally alienated the Luhya. This was all unnecessary. Clearly, the dynamic duo, with Central and RV votes in their pockets, do not need Western, but why mistreat it's stalwarts in this shabby manner? How is that political genius? Isn't it clear as day that Jubilee have gifted Western to CORD? An act of brilliance you say.
Wacheni micheso pwana.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 19, 2012 21:20:33 GMT 3
Cheshirecat,I do not think the Luhya vote is going to count for anything in this election. Their leaders have crewed up that constituency big time. Coupled with the community's lack of political consciousness as compared to the Luo, Kikuyu, Kalenjin and lately the Kamba, their vote will be insignificant. Consider this; three days ago, only 1.2M of them had registered to vote. Come election time, only 56% percent will turn up to vote and will always split their votes into three to four corners (Mudavadi, CORD, Wamalwa and Jubilee in that order). How does this help anyone? The only way CORD can maybe bank majority of this vote is by beseeching MM not to run. But what will they offer him in return? I think Jubilee is still sitting pretty, Uhuru's misstep notwithstanding. It is high time you started believing that Jubilee is in more trouble than you are imagining ,I suggest you get in touch with people on the ground in Western Kenya & get to know the reality on the ground,you will be shocked because MM is about to be handed viboko probably worse than he got in 2002.Trust me its no joke,things are thick & serious. Bob, I do not deny that Mudavadi could be in trouble in western. And by the way, why would the Luhyas be angry with MM? The man has only one vote. I mean this is the second largest community but they dont register, they dont vote and those who vote never vote with a purpose, they throw their votes anywhere. Anywyas, what I am saying rather is that the western vote will not matter much, more so with the jubilee. In any case, this was never Jubilee's vote anyway. It was only going to be Jubilee's if Mudavadi was its candidate. But I am sure, they have done the calculation and come to the conclusion that they do not need it and is not worth the position Mudavadi is demanding. That is why they let Eugine go and now Mudavadi. If Mudavadi was a good salesman, he would go back to Western immediately and explain himself in the best way possible before the vultures pounce. But I am told he is still in Nairobi, what he is doing there, I do not know. |
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 19, 2012 21:23:57 GMT 3
Fellas, Let's get real. Uhuru himself has confessed that he was forced by the devil to sign on Mudavadi. How that act of panic becomes a pointer of political genius is beyond me. To spin this cacophony into a master art in brinkmanship is funny. Uhuru was hedging nothing. He simply unwillingly and unwittingly reacted to CORD. Frantically. Period. The foolishness of this move and consequent public nonstop shagging of Mudavadi plus the unforgettable bamboozlement of Wamalwa has totally alienated the Luhya. This was all unnecessary. Clearly, the dynamic duo, with Central and RV votes in their pockets, do not need Western, but why mistreat it's stalwarts in this shabby manner? How is that political genius? Isn't it clear as day that Jubilee have gifted Western to CORD? An act of brilliance you say. Wacheni micheso pwana. |
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 19, 2012 21:37:57 GMT 3
Well, I think they have just gifted CORD the election. All Raila need do now is to replay to Luhyas over and over again how their favorite son was betrayed by those back-stabbing kikuyus. If Raila loses in March, then he is a worse politician than Mudavadi I do not think the Luhya vote is going to count for anything in this election. Their leaders have crewed up that constituency big time. Coupled with the community's lack of political consciousness as compared to the Luo, Kikuyu, Kalenjin and lately the Kamba, their vote will be insignificant. Consider this; three days ago, only 1.2M of them had registered to vote. Come election time, only 56% percent will turn up to vote and will always split their votes into three to four corners (Mudavadi, CORD, Wamalwa and Jubilee in that order). How does this help anyone? The only way CORD can maybe bank majority of this vote is by beseeching MM not to run. But what will they offer him in return? I think Jubilee is still sitting pretty, Uhuru's misstep notwithstanding. Jubilee trouble in western province due to Mudavadi treatment.. ati now they pundits claim Luhya vote is insignificant! propaganda spin that is so pathetic, one wonders how desperate people can be.. ;D ;D Usual propaganda on Western Province.. suggestion is concenttrate on what you know.. Central province votes.. than posting nonsense.. Luhya vote is a powerhouse.. 2009 Census reportJubilee has no leg to stand on in Western Province.. that is why the propaganda hype.. |
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Post by bob on Dec 19, 2012 21:41:37 GMT 3
Mwalimu,
Hope guys are watching MM dodging bullets being fired by the Citizen news anchor. like you said he is better of being in Western with his bull fighter trouble shooting before CORD heads there to do what they know best & that is shred MM politically. But being the naive ,cry baby politician he is he has no idea that damage control is a priority as opposed to trying to convince Uhuru/TNA to give him free stuff which is never going to happen. Again I sympathize with MM because when you have the likes of the bull fighter,Kizito, Shitanda as your negotiators/advisers what do you expect? These guys are only good at deceiving the innocent luhya masses with Shienyu or something of that nature ati mtu wetu but on the national front they are dwarfs. Bure kabisa!!
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Post by foresight on Dec 20, 2012 5:10:37 GMT 3
Uhuru and Ruto are proving to be somewhat short sighted politicians/Leaders. The main reason they are spending so much of their resources, time and energy putting out fires and seemingly swimming in perpetual challenges is because their political receptor organs or focal antennas are so tuned into the wavelength of the proximate. That may be their undoing and ultimately might lead to their political mediocrity. Observe closely and without bias and you will notice that the invisibility they had just a few months ago is slowly chipping away. why is that? Lets me say to begin with that I considered the G7 idea such a powerful vehicle at their disposal. The two guys smashed that into the wall, withered and watered it down completely with early campaigns that exposed their underbelly. The two repeatedly treated other partners with disdain and often as inconsequential. Short sighted is when you fail to notice that Kenyans look and see throught the prism of ethnicity, when you treat their tribal leader poorly, you automatically alienate yourself from that persons community.. The evidence is there, the COLD and RUTHLESS treatment Uhuru and Ruto meted to Kalonzo, Kiraitu Murungi, Eugene Wamalwa, Raphael Tuju e.t.c proves something many people would rather not address and someone neeeds to tell them. They need it desperately..This thing called "people skills" Having people skills is a trait that not everyone possesses. Have you ever heard someone described as being "great with people"? He is probably described this way because he exhibits excellent people skills. People skills, allow a person to interact with other people in such a way that he instantly earns rapport and credibility with those people. These skills can help gain the trust of others while being used to settle disputes. I opine that Uhuru and Ruto are still reckless and poor negotiators. Often they overpromise and undeliver. Once they get what they want they altogether thrash what they promised to deliver. The teaming up of PM Raila Odinga and VP Kalonzo Musyoka drove them into unnecessary panic, Uhuru and Ruto completely lost their "poise" and in that panic Uhuru sold his birthright to Mudavadi. [metaphorically] The bible decribes Esau as a profane person and a fornicatorWhy? Because the poor guy exchanged the lesser with the greater. He was hungry, his brother Jacob knew it, his brother was making food, so his brother traded with him, told him, I will give you food, but in exchange give me your birthright and Esau said DEAL! Thats what I call short sighted.[/b][/i] That deal with Mudavadi was shortsighted, that treatment of Kalonzo was shortsighted, that outburst against Annan was shortsighted, that outburst that Kenya don't need foreigners was shortsighted, that discarding of Eugene was shortsighted... They all add up, slowing poking holes on Uhurus character and leadership qualities. Like I said earlier people skills, he has to master that.. people are a leaders greatest asset..Any person who detaches himself completely from his present action, such that he becomes oblivious of its consequences and repercussions cannot be trusted to lead any serious organisation.. let alone a country.. Its very high risk.So How can Ruto claim that the deal with Mudavadi was a selfless act on Uhurus part, yet it was a desperate move to counter the formation of CORD? Prof Macharia Munene, an analyst, explained that in his view, Mudavadi was roped into Jubilee alliance as an afterthought and as a public relations gimmick after Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka switched over to Raila’s side.I agree with that proffesor... But dont forget that Kalonzo has been tagging their court tails for years. Where was Mudavadi then? in ODM kalonzo transversed the universe pleading the case of the two especially.. and then what? they embarrased him with "ultimate rejection" And Eugene? and Kiraitu? and now Mudavadi?? it boils down to People Skills.....  ?? Now you tell me, who deserves to be in the Jubilee alliance more that the other? One Eugene or Mudavadi AND two Kalonzo or Mudavadi? Mudavadi has no business in Jubilee they should have avoided this guy like a plague..If Ruto, Uhuru, Kalonzo, Eugene, Tuju, Jirongo were all still with the G7.. the political landscape by now would have been tilting heavily towards Uhuru and Ruto. I conclude with something worth remembering "Disorganisation will make a prudent person succumb to what ordinarily would have been minor challenge"Think about that and then decode TRANSFERABLE CONCEPTS...
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 20, 2012 8:57:39 GMT 3
Uhuru and Ruto are proving to be somewhat short sighted politicians/Leaders. The main reason they are spending so much of their resources, time and energy putting out fires and seemingly swimming in perpetual challenges is because their political receptor organs or focal antennas are so tuned into the wavelength of the proximate. That may be their undoing and ultimately might lead to their political mediocrity. Observe closely and without bias and you will notice that the invisibility they had just a few months ago is slowly chipping away. why is that? Lets me say to begin with that I considered the G7 idea such a powerful vehicle at their disposal. The two guys smashed that into the wall, withered and watered it down completely with early campaigns that exposed their underbelly. The two repeatedly treated other partners with disdain and often as inconsequential. Short sighted is when you fail to notice that Kenyans look and see throught the prism of ethnicity, when you treat their tribal leader poorly, you automatically alienate yourself from that persons community.. The evidence is there, the COLD and RUTHLESS treatment Uhuru and Ruto meted to Kalonzo, Kiraitu Murungi, Eugene Wamalwa, Raphael Tuju e.t.c proves something many people would rather not address and someone neeeds to tell them. They need it desperately..This thing called "people skills" Having people skills is a trait that not everyone possesses. Have you ever heard someone described as being "great with people"? He is probably described this way because he exhibits excellent people skills. People skills, allow a person to interact with other people in such a way that he instantly earns rapport and credibility with those people. These skills can help gain the trust of others while being used to settle disputes. I opine that Uhuru and Ruto are still reckless and poor negotiators. Often they overpromise and undeliver. Once they get what they want they altogether thrash what they promised to deliver. The teaming up of PM Raila Odinga and VP Kalonzo Musyoka drove them into unnecessary panic, Uhuru and Ruto completely lost their "poise" and in that panic Uhuru sold his birthright to Mudavadi. [metaphorically] The bible decribes Esau as a profane person and a fornicatorWhy? Because the poor guy exchanged the lesser with the greater. He was hungry, his brother Jacob knew it, his brother was making food, so his brother traded with him, told him, I will give you food, but in exchange give me your birthright and Esau said DEAL! Thats what I call short sighted. [/b][/i] That deal with Mudavadi was shortsighted, that treatment of Kalonzo was shortsighted, that outburst against Annan was shortsighted, that outburst that Kenya don't need foreigners was shortsighted, that discarding of Eugene was shortsighted... They all add up, slowing poking holes on Uhurus character and leadership qualities. Like I said earlier people skills, he has to master that.. people are a leaders greatest asset..Any person who detaches himself completely from his present action, such that he becomes oblivious of its consequences and repercussions cannot be trusted to lead any serious organisation.. let alone a country.. Its very high risk.So How can Ruto claim that the deal with Mudavadi was a selfless act on Uhurus part, yet it was a desperate move to counter the formation of CORD? Prof Macharia Munene, an analyst, explained that in his view, Mudavadi was roped into Jubilee alliance as an afterthought and as a public relations gimmick after Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka switched over to Raila’s side.I agree with that proffesor... But dont forget that Kalonzo has been tagging their court tails for years. Where was Mudavadi then? in ODM kalonzo transversed the universe pleading the case of the two especially.. and then what? they embarrased him with "ultimate rejection" And Eugene? and Kiraitu? and now Mudavadi?? it boils down to People Skills..... ?? Now you tell me, who deserves to be in the Jubilee alliance more that the other? One Eugene or Mudavadi AND two Kalonzo or Mudavadi? Mudavadi has no business in Jubilee they should have avoided this guy like a plague..If Ruto, Uhuru, Kalonzo, Eugene, Tuju, Jirongo were all still with the G7.. the political landscape by now would have been tilting heavily towards Uhuru and Ruto. I conclude with something worth remembering "Disorganisation will make a prudent person succumb to what ordinarily would have been minor challenge"Think about that and then decode TRANSFERABLE CONCEPTS... [/quote] The Presidential flag bearer for the team you assembled was always the problem, Uhuruto want control and the issue of them being at the Hague while someone else controls the top office from their Coalition is what is giving them Nightmares
Then Bring in the Statehouse gang "Mudavadi's Backers who Uhuruto don't seem to trust.. there is more than meets the eye..
1. Mudavadi- Uhuru Promised to hand me the presidency Ticket on a sliver Platter..
1. Uhuru " I was pressurized to sign by some devils" read between the lines
3. Ruto: Uhuru was not pressurized or forced to sign over his Presidential candidacy to Mudavadi, He did it willingly ( Ok who is pressurizing Ruto to come out with such a statement.. contradicting His Buddy Uhuru? ( could it be he was threatened with the cases he s facing in court & More.. to come out in the defense of the Statehouse Protégé Mudavadi?
4. December 19th Uhuru goes visiting Mudavadi at his Riverside Residence? Why.. How come he is the one Looking for Mudavadi and not the other way round?
Rumour has it that Uhuru went to see Mudavadi to assure him that he will make sure he wins through the delegate process.. this means Uhuru will make sure he rigs himself out.. But the question then becomes, will Uhuru's supporter accept the results, knowing very well that there is no way Mudavadi can defeat Uhuru through the delegate process? lets wait and see  |
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