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Post by reporter911 on Jan 8, 2013 1:31:21 GMT 3
 Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Monday took his political campaign to Elgeyo-Marakwet County where he criticised the Jubilee coalition, saying that it was a league of anti-reformists. He said such politicians cannot be entrusted with the country’s leadership. The Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (Cord) presidential candidate said Kenyans know that those in the Jubilee alliance were against the Constitution. Addressing residents at Cheptebo AIC Conference Centre in Keiyo South District, where he visited families that were displaced by landslides that killed 12 people last weekend, the PM said he was confident that the Cord alliance would win the March 4 General Election. In apparent reference to Eldoret North MP William Ruto, his former ally-turned-foe, Mr Odinga said: “Those teaming up in the Jubilee objected to the new Constitution and deliberately misled Kenyans that should the new laws be passed, men would marry each other, women would do abortion at will and all sorts of lies.’ Mr Odinga, who was accompanied by Special Programmes permanent secretary Andrew Mondoh, directed the ministry to move at least 1,500 families living in the dangerous hanging valleys of Kerio. “It is unfortunate that lives were lost here, but we do not want this to occur again under our watch. These valleys are not good for human habitation and all the inhabitants should agree to move out of the settlements,” the PM said. He directed formation of a task force that would spearhead profiling of the inhabitants in liaison with the Special Programmes ministry. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Constitution-may-be-mutilated-warns-PM/-/1064/1660020/-/2ig8b1z/-/index.htmlYES! uhuruto fought against the new constitution, how can Kenyans trust them to protect it? Their campaign route should lead to Hague!! |
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Post by mank on Jan 8, 2013 1:45:22 GMT 3
Scare tactics are usually the mainstay of those who question their prospects, so I wonder whether Raila is seeing his prospects deteriorate when most people are saying he's the winner-apparent.
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 8, 2013 2:04:47 GMT 3
Scare tactics are usually the mainstay of those who question their prospects, so I wonder whether Raila is seeing his prospects deteriorate when most people are saying he's the winner-apparent.
Lets wait for some other serious reports on the death of 40 Policemen in Baragoi.. rumours are floating around, a Banker & some politicians involvement.. THAT IS WHAT Kenyans call scary!! not scare tactic's , most Kenyans remember and are aware of those who were against the New constitution... and those from central province who were forced by the "Devils" to support it  |
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 8, 2013 2:07:52 GMT 3
Scare tactics are usually the mainstay of those who question their prospects, so I wonder whether Raila is seeing his prospects deteriorate when most people are saying he's the winner-apparent. Telling people what your opponent will do or not do if elected to office is as old a political must do as politics itself. When so stating bites or stings, the recipient and their sympathizers call it scare tactics. That, too, is as old as politics itself. Raila must keep at it telling or reminding people what these Jubilee alliance characters stand for and what will happen to our country should Kenyans make a mistake and elect them. Way to go Awambo. |
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Post by mank on Jan 8, 2013 8:03:18 GMT 3
Are you guys telling me that the security of the constitution of Kenya in the 21C rests on the goodness of a president's heart, and that Raila is certainly the good-hearted one and therefore the protector of the constituion? Following Raila's own logic, in fact he would be the bigger threat to the constitution because I recall he and his supporters were making noise about how their preferences were mischevously taken out of the constitution in the final days of constitution making - they were blaming Ruto for the mischief, so infact it would seem we have Ruto's preferred constution and not Raila's. So if Raila's warnings are anything to heed, they mean he is the bigger threat to the constitution.
There are obvious reasons why Kenyans should not vote for Uhuru and Ruto as president/vice, but the concern with changing the constitution should not be one of the reasons ... not even at the lowest rank of reasons. That is why I question whether Raila is so scared of them that he is now going even for outrageous claims. Anything that would happen to the constitution of Kenya under Uhuru/Ruto can happen under Raila/Kalonzo or anybody else. That is because presidents and vice presidents don't have the kind of power Raila is alleging.
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Post by kamalet on Jan 8, 2013 8:35:59 GMT 3
Are you guys telling me that the security of the constitution of Kenya in the 21C rests on the goodness of a president's heart, and that Raila is certainly the good-hearted one and therefore the protector of the constituion? Following Raila's own logic, in fact he would be the bigger threat to the constitution because I recall he and his supporters were making noise about how their preferences were mischevously taken out of the constitution in the final days of constitution making - they were blaming Ruto for the mischief, so infact it would seem we have Ruto's preferred constution and not Raila's. So if Raila's warnings are anything to heed, they mean he is the bigger threat to the constitution. There are obvious reasons why Kenyans should not vote for Uhuru and Ruto as president/vice, but the concern with changing the constitution should not be one of the reasons ... not even at the lowest rank of reasons. That is why I question whether Raila is so scared of them that he is now going even for outrageous claims. Anything that would happen to the constitution of Kenya under Uhuru/Ruto can happen under Raila/Kalonzo or anybody else. That is because presidents and vice presidents don't have the kind of power Raila is alleging. Mank You are very right...it is the voice of a scared man who goes making such wild claims. Have you noticed that we have not been promised a Tsunami as was the false claim in 2007 - it is nothing more than reality and hence the reason for going for the person - Ruto and Uhuru - rather than address issues! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 8, 2013 9:42:52 GMT 3
Are you guys telling me that the security of the constitution of Kenya in the 21C rests on the goodness of a president's heart, and that Raila is certainly the good-hearted one and therefore the protector of the constituion? Following Raila's own logic, in fact he would be the bigger threat to the constitution because I recall he and his supporters were making noise about how their preferences were mischevously taken out of the constitution in the final days of constitution making - they were blaming Ruto for the mischief, so infact it would seem we have Ruto's preferred constution and not Raila's. So if Raila's warnings are anything to heed, they mean he is the bigger threat to the constitution. There are obvious reasons why Kenyans should not vote for Uhuru and Ruto as president/vice, but the concern with changing the constitution should not be one of the reasons ... not even at the lowest rank of reasons. That is why I question whether Raila is so scared of them that he is now going even for outrageous claims. Anything that would happen to the constitution of Kenya under Uhuru/Ruto can happen under Raila/Kalonzo or anybody else. That is because presidents and vice presidents don't have the kind of power Raila is alleging. Man K, Happy new year brother. Good to see you keeping strong in the year of the jubilee. Well, you hit the nail right on the head. It is rather obvious Raila and his CORD have been thrown off message. They are scampering all over the place pkaying catch-up for two main reasons: 1. His inclusion of Kalonzo on his ticket gave his opponents the chance of a life time to kick him hard in the crouch. And kicking hard, they are with a very sharp message. 2. Whereas his opponents have a very well known record t from their tenures as ministers for agriculture, finance, trade and higher education, Raila and Kalonzo have nothing to show for their 50+ yrs combined in government. The man must therefore be very desperate to attribute something to himself, just anything. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Jan 8, 2013 11:12:54 GMT 3
Are you guys telling me that the security of the constitution of Kenya in the 21C rests on the goodness of a president's heart, and that Raila is certainly the good-hearted one and therefore the protector of the constituion? Following Raila's own logic, in fact he would be the bigger threat to the constitution because I recall he and his supporters were making noise about how their preferences were mischevously taken out of the constitution in the final days of constitution making - they were blaming Ruto for the mischief, so infact it would seem we have Ruto's preferred constution and not Raila's. So if Raila's warnings are anything to heed, they mean he is the bigger threat to the constitution. There are obvious reasons why Kenyans should not vote for Uhuru and Ruto as president/vice, but the concern with changing the constitution should not be one of the reasons ... not even at the lowest rank of reasons. That is why I question whether Raila is so scared of them that he is now going even for outrageous claims. Anything that would happen to the constitution of Kenya under Uhuru/Ruto can happen under Raila/Kalonzo or anybody else. That is because presidents and vice presidents don't have the kind of power Raila is alleging. Its evident Raila and Cord team have smelt the defeat in the air thus reverting to scaremongering tactics . Will this work this time around -well your guess is as good as mine. Its a fact that Uhuru rallied his political block to vote Yes for the constitution and if tabled down the number of supporters in his political block were more than Railas political block. Raila and his fanatics actually demonized Kalonzo for supporting the No team during the campaigns of referendum in 2010 they even coined the nick "Watermelon" right now the same fanatics are praising Kalonzo of the No sympathizer as the best reformer we have in the country . Raila political strategy is questionable .How do you go to to Keiyo South a region which voted overwhelmingly NO during the referendum and an opponents region (reaf URP Zone ) and telling them your preferred leaders will mutilate the constitution that's tantamount to kicking them and the whole of riftvalley region in the teeth after overwhelmingly voting for him to man in the 2007 elections. Meanwhile as Raila and Cord engage in Scaremongering tactitics .The Jubilee Coalition of UhuRuto is doing well selling their vision the right way in a region regarded as to bring swing votes . Way to go UhuRuto , we really appreciate that . standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000074463&story_title=Uhuru-to-address-lack-of-jobs-if-elected-presidentBy KENAN MIRUKA Deputy Prime Uhuru Kenyatta will deal with high levels of unemployment and poverty reduction should he take charge of government next year. Uhuru and other members of his alliance told voters that their government will ensure justice and equality for all. The Jubilee team also addressed the need for peaceful co-existence by all communities. Uhuru asked Kenyans to shun politics of hate and elect leaders who can work together and solve the nation’s problems. “Jubilee government will ensure peace prevails in the country to create an enabling environment for economic growth,” said Uhuru. Flanked by his running mate, Eldoret North MP William Ruto, Uhuru led a host of MPs allied to the coalition in a series of campaign rallies in South Mugirango and Bomachoge constituencies, Kisii County. Speaking at Etago in South Mugirango, Uhuru said the Jubilee Alliance has brought together leaders to end hate politics because it was not possible to develop the country without unity. “During elections, some leaders propagate hate causing Kenyans to fight as they enjoy themselves after being elected,” said Uhuru. He castigated his opponents whom he accused of dwelling on the past yet Kenyans were only concerned with present problems and a secure future. “Kenyans want jobs, food security, good roads and factories not what happened in the past. With unity and respect for the Constitution, we can achieve more. Jubilee is comprised of youthful leaders, but we have elders in our ranks like Sam Ongeri to offer advice,” he added. Ruto said the Jubilee government will provide subsidised inputs and cheap loans to benefit small-scale agriculture in Kisii. He said the Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (CORD) will lose the March General Election because the Jubilee Alliance had the support of Central, Rift Valley and Kisii regions. Ongeri accused the ODM side of the coalition government of failing to implement development projects in Kisii citing the Mogonga-Nyansembe road, which is yet to be constructed. “It is clear with Rift Valley and Central, the Jubilee alliance will carry the day even if CORD takes the whole of Nyanza, Western, Ukambani and Coast regions,” said Ongeri. Assistant minister Wilfred Ombui, MPs Aden Duale (Dujis), Robert Monda (Nyaribari Chache), Danson Mungatana (Garsen), Gidion Mbuvi (Makadara), Walter Nyambati (Kitutu Masaba), Rachel Shebesh (Nominated) and Mohammed Hussein (Mandera East) accompanied Uhuru. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Jan 8, 2013 11:32:26 GMT 3
Uhuru hits out at Raila over reforms claim www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Uhuru-hits-out-at-Raila-over-reforms-claim/-/1064/1660014/-/tp7kgl/-/index.htmlPresidential hopeful Uhuru Kenyatta on Monday continued with his tour of Kisii County, and criticised Prime Minister Raila Odinga for branding Jubilee alliance leaders non-reformers. Mr Kenyatta said all Kenyans were reformers since the achievement of the new Constitution. “Reforms are not owned by an individual. All of us are reformers, and we have a responsibility of implementing the Constitution,” he told a rally in Ogembo Town. He said Jubilee leaders were also in the government that brought reforms including free education, Constituency Development Fund and Economic Stimulus Programme. He asked their rivals in Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (Cord) not to use the Constitution as their campaign tool because it was passed by all Kenyans. “The Constitution is not an individual property, all Kenyans participated in one way or another in passing it. Mr Odinga should tell us what his policies are,” he said. The next polls, he said, were not about reformers and non-reformers but issues and numbers. Mr Odinga’s step brother, Mr Omondi Oginga, found himself on the wrong side when he asked the crowd to shout loud enough “to scare ODM out of Gusii region”. He had been invited by United Republican Party leader William Ruto to address the crowd but as soon as he started mentioning Mr Odinga’s name, he was heckled and had to cut short his address. Mr Ruto said the difference between Jubilee and Cord was like night and day. “Our vision, policies and the marshal plans we have put in place to make the country move forward are totally different from Cord coalition’s,” he said. He said Kenyan politics had changed and hatred and election violence should be shunned. He challenged the Cord coalition to come up with policies that would address the plight of farmers and women instead of engaging in hate speech and mudslinging. The two leaders said the polls would be free and fair and that no violence would be witnessed. They were accompanied by Foreign Affairs minister Sam Ongeri, eight MPs and several former MPs from Gusii region. |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Jan 8, 2013 11:52:19 GMT 3
Ahanalysis... at best. Flash back..Jukwaa 2008/9 this term was coined here in Jukwaa by the self suicider TNK who has now departed to the otherworld called DC...( i am unable to unearth it for obvious reasons) What i can see is just that ...emotive, whimsical "our side is right" yada yada... The constitution was not created/modelled for RAILA...it is for kenyans and the mere rumblings that someone who vehemently opposed it will fully implement is foolhardy and whimsical at best.The Temerity to expect arap Somoei to implement what he strongly opposed is naive beyond rehab...infact that is the desperation not the otherwise, but this is just the begining of the campaing period so expect full blown splashings of who is who lest we forget. Folks the dilution and mutilation of this constitution is already at its earnest...and it will continue if the duo of UHURUTO are entrusted with something that is in not in their interest, am suprised there is achoir singing otherwise marching on eyes closed.. We should all be peeved off actually, that this below can happen , a whisltle blowing PM should be encourged, not muffled. But coming to think of it sometimes i just say when sh.it will hit and the warinings have been given and ignored ..." i told you so" will suit.....tick tock tick tock..little do we wonder why we are where we are with the mindset as such... www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000074539&pageNo=2&story_title=Kenya-MPs-suspend-integrity-and-academic-laws-in-March-pollAre you guys telling me that the security of the constitution of Kenya in the 21C rests on the goodness of a president's heart, and that Raila is certainly the good-hearted one and therefore the protector of the constituion? Following Raila's own logic, in fact he would be the bigger threat to the constitution because I recall he and his supporters were making noise about how their preferences were mischevously taken out of the constitution in the final days of constitution making - they were blaming Ruto for the mischief, so infact it would seem we have Ruto's preferred constution and not Raila's. So if Raila's warnings are anything to heed, they mean he is the bigger threat to the constitution. There are obvious reasons why Kenyans should not vote for Uhuru and Ruto as president/vice, but the concern with changing the constitution should not be one of the reasons ... not even at the lowest rank of reasons. That is why I question whether Raila is so scared of them that he is now going even for outrageous claims. Anything that would happen to the constitution of Kenya under Uhuru/Ruto can happen under Raila/Kalonzo or anybody else. That is because presidents and vice presidents don't have the kind of power Raila is alleging. Its evident Raila and Cord team have smelt the defeat in the air thus reverting to scaremongering tactics . Will this work this time around -well your guess is as good as mine. Its a fact that Uhuru rallied his political block to vote Yes for the constitution and if tabled down the number of supporters in his political block were more than Railas political block. Raila and his fanatics actually demonized Kalonzo for supporting the No team during the campaigns of referendum in 2010 they even coined the nick "Watermelon" right now the same fanatics are praising Kalonzo of the No sympathizer as the best reformer we have in the country . Raila political strategy is questionable .How do you go to to Keiyo South a region which voted overwhelmingly NO during the referendum and an opponents region (reaf URP Zone ) and telling them your preferred leaders will mutilate the constitution that's tantamount to kicking them and the whole of riftvalley region in the teeth after overwhelmingly voting for him to man in the 2007 elections. Meanwhile as Raila and Cord engage in Scaremongering tactitics .The Jubilee Coalition of UhuRuto is doing well selling their vision the right way in a region regarded as to bring swing votes . Way to go UhuRuto , we really appreciate that . standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000074463&story_title=Uhuru-to-address-lack-of-jobs-if-elected-presidentBy KENAN MIRUKA Deputy Prime Uhuru Kenyatta will deal with high levels of unemployment and poverty reduction should he take charge of government next year. Uhuru and other members of his alliance told voters that their government will ensure justice and equality for all. The Jubilee team also addressed the need for peaceful co-existence by all communities. Uhuru asked Kenyans to shun politics of hate and elect leaders who can work together and solve the nation’s problems. “Jubilee government will ensure peace prevails in the country to create an enabling environment for economic growth,” said Uhuru. Flanked by his running mate, Eldoret North MP William Ruto, Uhuru led a host of MPs allied to the coalition in a series of campaign rallies in South Mugirango and Bomachoge constituencies, Kisii County. Speaking at Etago in South Mugirango, Uhuru said the Jubilee Alliance has brought together leaders to end hate politics because it was not possible to develop the country without unity. “During elections, some leaders propagate hate causing Kenyans to fight as they enjoy themselves after being elected,” said Uhuru. He castigated his opponents whom he accused of dwelling on the past yet Kenyans were only concerned with present problems and a secure future. “Kenyans want jobs, food security, good roads and factories not what happened in the past. With unity and respect for the Constitution, we can achieve more. Jubilee is comprised of youthful leaders, but we have elders in our ranks like Sam Ongeri to offer advice,” he added. Ruto said the Jubilee government will provide subsidised inputs and cheap loans to benefit small-scale agriculture in Kisii. He said the Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (CORD) will lose the March General Election because the Jubilee Alliance had the support of Central, Rift Valley and Kisii regions. Ongeri accused the ODM side of the coalition government of failing to implement development projects in Kisii citing the Mogonga-Nyansembe road, which is yet to be constructed. “It is clear with Rift Valley and Central, the Jubilee alliance will carry the day even if CORD takes the whole of Nyanza, Western, Ukambani and Coast regions,” said Ongeri. Assistant minister Wilfred Ombui, MPs Aden Duale (Dujis), Robert Monda (Nyaribari Chache), Danson Mungatana (Garsen), Gidion Mbuvi (Makadara), Walter Nyambati (Kitutu Masaba), Rachel Shebesh (Nominated) and Mohammed Hussein (Mandera East) accompanied Uhuru.
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Post by kamalet on Jan 8, 2013 12:22:01 GMT 3
Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Monday took his political campaign to Elgeyo-Marakwet County where he criticised the Jubilee coalition, saying that it was a league of anti-reformists. He said such politicians cannot be entrusted with the country’s leadership. The Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (Cord) presidential candidate said Kenyans know that those in the Jubilee alliance were against the Constitution. Addressing residents at Cheptebo AIC Conference Centre in Keiyo South District, where he visited families that were displaced by landslides that killed 12 people last weekend, the PM said he was confident that the Cord alliance would win the March 4 General Election. In apparent reference to Eldoret North MP William Ruto, his former ally-turned-foe, Mr Odinga said: “Those teaming up in the Jubilee objected to the new Constitution and deliberately misled Kenyans that should the new laws be passed, men would marry each other, women would do abortion at will and all sorts of lies.’ Mr Odinga, who was accompanied by Special Programmes permanent secretary Andrew Mondoh, directed the ministry to move at least 1,500 families living in the dangerous hanging valleys of Kerio. “It is unfortunate that lives were lost here, but we do not want this to occur again under our watch. These valleys are not good for human habitation and all the inhabitants should agree to move out of the settlements,” the PM said. He directed formation of a task force that would spearhead profiling of the inhabitants in liaison with the Special Programmes ministry. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Constitution-may-be-mutilated-warns-PM/-/1064/1660020/-/2ig8b1z/-/index.htmlYES! uhuruto fought against the new constitution, how can Kenyans trust them to protect it? Their campaign route should lead to Hague!! Now this Raila character is either very foolish or simply has no track with history!!! Just how does he go to a place that overwhelmingly vote against the constitution and then talk about it being mutilated? What was that story of old bones and women?? Someone needs to tell Raila that standing next to people hurling insults at his opponents and he says not a word but just nod, then go to places where the discussion should be on a very different topic and he choses the wrong thing to talk about, he is only digging his hole deeper! |
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Post by nereah on Jan 8, 2013 19:30:52 GMT 3
Now this Raila character is either very foolish or simply has no track with history!!! Just how does he go to a place that overwhelmingly vote against the constitution and then talk about it being mutilated? What was that story of old bones and women?? Someone needs to tell Raila that standing next to people hurling insults at his opponents and he says not a word but just nod, then go to places where the discussion should be on a very different topic and he choses the wrong thing to talk about, he is only digging his hole deeper! you have disparaged agwambo all through.you have never hidden the fact that you hate him with a passion and you have also demonstrated that you want him destroyed politically. a lapsed jukwaa member(who is understandably lurking as you read this) once challenged you to let go raila if you now that he is in the self destruct mode that you have perceived of him all this years and serve your country better by directing the advise where it is desperately needed. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 8, 2013 19:54:53 GMT 3
May be Raila is too far gone to realize he has become a parody of himself. And there is nobody in his vicinity to bring in a dose of healthy sanity, by virtue of a semblance of common sense, or good old self criticism. 1. Attacking Ruto to be not trustworthy. ---campaigned against the constitution etc. Is a double edged-sword, since those with memories know a few months ago he offered the same Ruto the running mate slot of his party. So it is obvious Raila is not sincere at all himself. This attack is dismissible as a sour grapes story. he has to offer a denial of the above, or an explanation which is not dubious. Because it calls into question his own judgement. Otherwise illustrating the duplicity in his heart. 2. Kipfirimbi --guy really found some stuff to sweetly keep him off Jukwaa correspondence! ;D already mentions mutilation in earnest on course currently. And indeed true, Parliament has been replete with schemes to derail key sectors of the constitution --like the integrity clause, well documented in the public space. (And so extreme it has been, that public outrage has sometimes forced Kibaki to hold sign, like on the retirement benefits). Now, Mps from both sides have equally participated in the mutilation of the Katiba, which is still ongoing even as I speak. For a man whose party is thus implicated in such shenanigans to claim he is the trustworthy, safe pair of hands we should entrust our future to, without qualification, is an act of cynical political public masturbation, pleasurable to himself, disgusting to onlookers with sense and perception. And who has he teamed up with? the water melon in chief! talk about those in glass houses throwing stones! NB: thy Reporter911: It was Ruto who campaigned against, Uhuru was as water melon as your darling Kalonzo of CORD! At a certain level of debate, that detail is important to file. 3. What can prevent them to mutilate the constitution to suit their own interests, Agwambo asks with the confidence of a child naked in public, but yet to develop the insight into the politics of nudity. I say, the ruthlessness with which THIS RAILA-KIBAKI-KALONZO GCG PARLIAMENT HAS, YES, MUTILATED THE CONSTITUTION AT EVERY JUNCTURE TO SUIT THEIR INTERESTS, has earned them international notoriety, local scorn and emotional disgust in Wanjiku. Such that I will add, you too Agwambo, just as you have failed to prevent the current mutilation, so is the likelihood of your future performance! Yet Raila is not aware of this treacherous trait by this parliament vis-a-vis the KANUNI, neither is he aware of the responsibility he bears for this ongoing butchery as the co-principal! Perhaps he is merely at propaganda, being coldly cynical, calculating the masses have no memory, no concentration, nor OPTIONS. So he can afford to ride them roughshod without fear of repercussions. The risk, is that, as the candidate trying to habit the progressive, higher, moral ground, it is on him to make the case. In the battle against conservatism, conservatism always has the advantage of obviousness. And the turn-out of the conservatives will always be high. But progressives, independents and swing voters, sensing a brutal cynicism in the supposed better candidate, would in turn be coldly cynical, turned off, and not bother to turn-out on election day. And in a tight election, that relative turn-out percentage, makes the difference. I do not exactly remember the details, but I think this Wetangula who is a stellar reformer in this new narrative, defended the ICC indictee Omar of North Sudan with such eloquence and grit, that any defender of Uhuru will do well to revisit and copy! ;D And come back kid Kalonzo danced his tongue lame around the globe on deferrals and referrals! --On behalf of.. I can't remember!  |
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Post by mank on Jan 9, 2013 8:34:03 GMT 3
Oh man, Jakaswanga, what more to say on this! You even called their bluff on this new sense of salvation by way of men like Kalonzo and Wetangula, men that just recently could seldom have been mentioned without a slur before their names! Ha, but they stand with Raila now ... and Mudavadi, who stood with Raila but now does not, gets the exact opposite treatment - angel just recently, now the devil. Hypocrites are a nauseating lot!
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Post by kamalet on Jan 9, 2013 8:56:43 GMT 3
Now this Raila character is either very foolish or simply has no track with history!!! Just how does he go to a place that overwhelmingly vote against the constitution and then talk about it being mutilated? What was that story of old bones and women?? Someone needs to tell Raila that standing next to people hurling insults at his opponents and he says not a word but just nod, then go to places where the discussion should be on a very different topic and he choses the wrong thing to talk about, he is only digging his hole deeper! you have disparaged agwambo all through.you have never hidden the fact that you hate him with a passion and you have also demonstrated that you want him destroyed politically. a lapsed jukwaa member(who is understandably lurking as you read this) once challenged you to let go raila if you now that he is in the self destruct mode that you have perceived of him all this years and serve your country better by directing the advise where it is desperately needed. Nereah wa Amadi No I do not disparage Agwambo. I would if I peddled untruths about him. I point out the mistakes the man makes and yes I hope he does not use up all the goodwill that makes him the comeback kid this time by reducing the number of times he plays with the self destruct button! Please do not be like Ida who has to do it for her soul mate even when he is wrong, allow us to point out what your guy should not be saying in public lest it comes back to haunt him......now see what Jakaswanga has to say!!! |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Jan 9, 2013 9:07:17 GMT 3
Wuod Kaswanga, In my opinion the choice is as simple I don’t see the necessity in “burning midnight oil” on the very obvious…we all want high morals in our politics and from our politicians but that a dream is far from being realized in our life time. Don’t cry foul yet, it doesn’t mean we give up on the daily caning with hope achieving it but its good to be realisitc, its just about time to inventorise the bad that we got and decide out of the gone bad what can we tolerate or those that we need to trash can ( bin). The reality is the conmanship is here to stay. So with that in mind who would you rather have? This thief that steal from you and rape your whole family then proceeds to slowly execute them or the other thief that steal from you, proceed to consume your most expensive bourbon, then concludes in misdemeanor to masturbate his female counterpart infront of your whole family and then leaves….. You know where this is going....you rope in Kalonzo and the other fellow from Luyha land but such is politics Raila is not his old self anymore the guy is tired, but let him embarrass himself he would be in my book the better “conman” How is Apondi coming along? I bet you in your one on ones with apondi she would rather go with the option of the immoral freakish thief than the other ones. The time for a third a force to bag this thing is not there… so as much as you moralise these campaigns it doesn’t in long shot favor Apondi..However Apondi will have a role to play post these elections….that of forensics, check and balance. There was a time our hope was that ODM could marshall its might and have the new constitution fully implemented then we would have no care for its demise and death…those days are gone… but hope still lies therein that out of the crew we got, your bet be as good as mine we need to pick the lesser bad to steer even if feebly and meekly the implementation of the constitution. Consequently we need a strong OPPOSSITION party in that I see the check and balance coming from Apondi and Crew…they will keep the limping RAO in check. While the other two bretherens start their long fight for freedom.. I see a few souls (lost) that needs Omwenga to salvationalise who cheers you on but only when you are lashing out and caning your “thuri” Amolo but I bet if you start demonizing their demigod, they will clap for you not….. oh prodigal son…am sure your brothers and father awaits your return home meanwhile enjoy the carousal in the the fake middle ground which exist in CYBERWORLD ONLY!! May be Raila is too far gone to realize he has become a parody of himself. And there is nobody in his vicinity to bring in a dose of healthy sanity, by virtue of a semblance of common sense, or good old self criticism. 1. Attacking Ruto to be not trustworthy. ---campaigned against the constitution etc. Is a double edged-sword, since those with memories know a few months ago he offered the same Ruto the running mate slot of his party. So it is obvious Raila is not sincere at all himself. This attack is dismissible as a sour grapes story. he has to offer a denial of the above, or an explanation which is not dubious. Because it calls into question his own judgement. Otherwise illustrating the duplicity in his heart. 2. Kipfirimbi --guy really found some stuff to sweetly keep him off Jukwaa correspondence! ;D already mentions mutilation in earnest on course currently. And indeed true, Parliament has been replete with schemes to derail key sectors of the constitution --like the integrity clause, well documented in the public space. (And so extreme it has been, that public outrage has sometimes forced Kibaki to hold sign, like on the retirement benefits). Now, Mps from both sides have equally participated in the mutilation of the Katiba, which is still ongoing even as I speak. For a man whose party is thus implicated in such shenanigans to claim he is the trustworthy, safe pair of hands we should entrust our future to, without qualification, is an act of cynical political public masturbation, pleasurable to himself, disgusting to onlookers with sense and perception. And who has he teamed up with? the water melon in chief! talk about those in glass houses throwing stones! NB: thy Reporter911: It was Ruto who campaigned against, Uhuru was as water melon as your darling Kalonzo of CORD! At a certain level of debate, that detail is important to file. 3. What can prevent them to mutilate the constitution to suit their own interests, Agwambo asks with the confidence of a child naked in public, but yet to develop the insight into the politics of nudity. I say, the ruthlessness with which THIS RAILA-KIBAKI-KALONZO GCG PARLIAMENT HAS, YES, MUTILATED THE CONSTITUTION AT EVERY JUNCTURE TO SUIT THEIR INTERESTS, has earned them international notoriety, local scorn and emotional disgust in Wanjiku. Such that I will add, you too Agwambo, just as you have failed to prevent the current mutilation, so is the likelihood of your future performance! Yet Raila is not aware of this treacherous trait by this parliament vis-a-vis the KANUNI, neither is he aware of the responsibility he bears for this ongoing butchery as the co-principal! Perhaps he is merely at propaganda, being coldly cynical, calculating the masses have no memory, no concentration, nor OPTIONS. So he can afford to ride them roughshod without fear of repercussions. The risk, is that, as the candidate trying to habit the progressive, higher, moral ground, it is on him to make the case. In the battle against conservatism, conservatism always has the advantage of obviousness. And the turn-out of the conservatives will always be high. But progressives, independents and swing voters, sensing a brutal cynicism in the supposed better candidate, would in turn be coldly cynical, turned off, and not bother to turn-out on election day. And in a tight election, that relative turn-out percentage, makes the difference. I do not exactly remember the details, but I think this Wetangula who is a stellar reformer in this new narrative, defended the ICC indictee Omar of North Sudan with such eloquence and grit, that any defender of Uhuru will do well to revisit and copy! ;D And come back kid Kalonzo danced his tongue lame around the globe on deferrals and referrals! --On behalf of.. I can't remember!
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Jan 9, 2013 17:33:55 GMT 3
Raila has a right to change his mind, allegiance and friends. It is only a fool who doesn't change his mind. Therefore, I see no reason to disparage him because he now has 'new' friends. If anything, it shows the man can change with time, he is not stagnant both in mind and company. I think it is refreshing to see him alter his strategy and transform himself tailoring himself to the political environment. That is the type of politician I would personally like, one who adapts to the situation.
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 9, 2013 18:03:03 GMT 3
Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Monday took his political campaign to Elgeyo-Marakwet County where he criticised the Jubilee coalition, saying that it was a league of anti-reformists. He said such politicians cannot be entrusted with the country’s leadership. The Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (Cord) presidential candidate said Kenyans know that those in the Jubilee alliance were against the Constitution. Addressing residents at Cheptebo AIC Conference Centre in Keiyo South District, where he visited families that were displaced by landslides that killed 12 people last weekend, the PM said he was confident that the Cord alliance would win the March 4 General Election. In apparent reference to Eldoret North MP William Ruto, his former ally-turned-foe, Mr Odinga said: “Those teaming up in the Jubilee objected to the new Constitution and deliberately misled Kenyans that should the new laws be passed, men would marry each other, women would do abortion at will and all sorts of lies.’ Mr Odinga, who was accompanied by Special Programmes permanent secretary Andrew Mondoh, directed the ministry to move at least 1,500 families living in the dangerous hanging valleys of Kerio. “It is unfortunate that lives were lost here, but we do not want this to occur again under our watch. These valleys are not good for human habitation and all the inhabitants should agree to move out of the settlements,” the PM said. He directed formation of a task force that would spearhead profiling of the inhabitants in liaison with the Special Programmes ministry. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Constitution-may-be-mutilated-warns-PM/-/1064/1660020/-/2ig8b1z/-/index.htmlYES! uhuruto fought against the new constitution, how can Kenyans trust them to protect it? Their campaign route should lead to Hague!! Now this Raila character is either very foolish or simply has no track with history!!! Just how does he go to a place that overwhelmingly vote against the constitution and then talk about it being mutilated? What was that story of old bones and women?? Someone needs to tell Raila that standing next to people hurling insults at his opponents and he says not a word but just nod, then go to places where the discussion should be on a very different topic and he choses the wrong thing to talk about, he is only digging his hole deeper! The above sentence describes the duo "UHURUTO" perfectly when it comes to the New Constitution mutilation wih their vigorous no campaign before they lost.. next time do it justice and use the insults on the duo.. it sure suits them perfectly ;D ;D |
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 9, 2013 18:05:52 GMT 3
Raila has a right to change his mind, allegiance and friends. It is only a fool who doesn't change his mind. Therefore, I see no reason to disparage him because he now has 'new' friends. If anything, it shows the man can change with time, he is not stagnant both in mind and company. I think it is refreshing to see him alter his strategy and transform himself tailoring himself to the political environment. That is the type of politician I would personally like, one who adapts to the situation. |
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Post by mank on Jan 9, 2013 18:19:03 GMT 3
Raila has a right to change his mind, allegiance and friends. It is only a fool who doesn't change his mind. Therefore, I see no reason to disparage him because he now has 'new' friends. If anything, it shows the man can change with time, he is not stagnant both in mind and company. I think it is refreshing to see him alter his strategy and transform himself tailoring himself to the political environment. That is the type of politician I would personally like, one who adapts to the situation. Sadik, No one said Raila is not free to choose friends. But who a person befriends does not change the person's history; incidentally according to some, a realignment with Raila seems to be a history cleanser for whoever the politician, no matter how unpleasant that history may have been casted while the politician was not on Raila's side. And all it takes is to diverge with Raila, and again the person is dirtier than dirt itself .... yet to these revisionists of history, Raila himself, who has made and broken friendships with almost every "who is who" of Kenya's politics, is the messiah near whom every politician is an angel, and further from whom others are devils. |
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Post by raiswakesho on Jan 9, 2013 19:32:24 GMT 3
Maybe what some folks in these forum are missing is the depth...politics is 3 dimensional!
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Post by nereah on Jan 9, 2013 20:03:11 GMT 3
Nereah wa Amadi Please do not be like Ida who has to do it for her soul mate even when he is wrong, allow us to point out what your guy should not be saying in public lest it comes back to haunt him......now see what Jakaswanga has to say!!! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 9, 2013 20:05:31 GMT 3
Wuod Kaswanga, (.....) I see a few souls (lost) that needs Omwenga to salvationalise who cheers you on but only when you are lashing out and caning your “thuri” Amolo but I bet if you start demonizing their demigod, they will clap for you not….. oh prodigal son…am sure your brothers and father awaits your return home meanwhile enjoy the carousal in the the fake middle ground which exist in CYBERWORLD ONLY The handle Kipfirimbi, I salute you with a hand distended with honour. Your soul is dear to me, no less than my prodigal Luo soul is to you, that you seek to convince me you want it back home where it belongs. You know you could have given me a cynical put down, namely kuot ogwal ok mon dhiang' modho, which translates to Jakaswanga is a Raila detractor, and he is a fly whose buzzing ndee may be irritant, but sure wont hinder the hungry glutton from gulping soup by the bowlfuls! Instead you chose a much more sophisticated import, whose challenge forces me to a considered response. Here is a good subtext that dredges the recesses talked of only in hush! And Kenyatta used the gullible Mboya to trim Jaramogi, wept some Luo, as cynical gikuyus cheered on with treacherous hearts? This issue you raise of prodigal, lost (Luo) souls, is referred to in our watery region as wach modoko ngero. A word that became a parable. -- "Did Kenyatta use a dim-witted Tom Mboya to finish off Jaramogi politically, then turn around to finish Mboya off physically, thus gaining for the Kikuyu a famous historical victory over the Luos? Or is there a different, alternative, plausible narrative, boy?" My father asked me as he paused from repairing fishing nets to blow smoke slowly into my face, his eyes a black-hole!  This point, every boy from our home is expected to answer alone in his heart at some stage of his corruption. The idea is, wach modoko ngero is a complex whose solution may be a continuum rather than a straight yes or no. Trust a fella like I to have given it a tremendous go at thought, and even commissioned if not beseeched other formidable minds to shine on the knot [traumatic parable]. How much intellectual honesty do I surrender out of loyalty to the national project?
How much analytical treachery do I commit out of loyalty to the national cause?
How much deliberate amnesia do I let my mind peddle, to sustain membership in coalitions favourable to my nation's pet project?How much lies do I let ride? How much hypocrisy do I entertain? How much intellectual euthanasia is the yardstick for loyalty and belonging? Or be the outcast a lesser price to pay?  [Remember I would probably commit murder in a bar brawl about a beautiful prostitute, so it isn't that I am holier than the next manamba at Machakos airport Nairobi! --Just to give you a philosophical sense of proportion!  ]I will be back! Wuod Kaswanga, In my opinion the choice is as simple I don’t see the necessity in “burning midnight oil” on the very obvious…we all want high morals in our politics and from our politicians but that a dream is far from being realized in our life time. Don’t cry foul yet, it doesn’t mean we give up on the daily caning with hope achieving it but its good to be realisitc, its just about time to inventorise the bad that we got and decide out of the gone bad what can we tolerate or those that we need to trash can ( bin). The reality is the conmanship is here to stay. So with that in mind who would you rather have? This thief that steal from you and rape your whole family then proceeds to slowly execute them or the other thief that steal from you, proceed to consume your most expensive bourbon, then concludes in misdemeanor to masturbate his female counterpart infront of your whole family and then leaves….. There is also the other option, that when folks let their nation dissappear in a moral black-hole, claiming that is the only reality, it could turn into a hell on earth. Have you ever wondered where the Somali's went wrong that they ended up with the nightmare their country now is? May be too many of them accepted the reality of conman-ship [CLANISM ;D], and shrugged, heck, this is the best, there is no alternative! And they took the wrong turn to hell! Just wondering aloud you know! I am on record as, forced to choose, preferring CORD to JUBILEE! But it is more like the Ayatollah Khomeini who once describe a situation as equivalent to drinking pure poison n--this was the ceasefire with Saddam's Iraq which declared neither had been the aggressor!in the Iran-Iraq War.Will find time to come back on this, especially the bit about Apondi nyar Mumbi! ;D |
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