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Post by OtishOtish on Jan 24, 2013 20:48:19 GMT 3
"Praise-singing" is a very old and respectable "profession", especially in places like Luoland. (Do-it-yourself is also very acceptable for those who can't afford professionals.)
Of course, in modern times it must be done in a different style, but that only makes it more profitable. (Start with Nyayo's time, when sometimes explicit directions would be given: just like a parrot. And did they sing or what!)
The big ship is coming in. You are either with us or against us (and for them).
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 24, 2013 21:03:31 GMT 3
"Praise-singing" is a very old and respectable "profession", especially in places like Luoland. (Do-it-yourself is also very acceptable for those who can't afford professionals.) Of course, in modern times it must be done in a different style, but that only makes it more profitable. (Start with Nyayo's time, when sometimes explicit directions would be given: just like a parrot. And did they sing or what!) The big ship is coming in. You are either with us or against us (and for them). You must be confusing "praise-singing" of late Michuki style endorsement of Uhuru for the title of the "Kikuyu-Land Emperor" to Luoland usual democracy.. don't confuse kikuyuland for Luoland! bure kabisa
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 24, 2013 21:11:05 GMT 3
Omwenga Good Points.. Ongoro rejecting the direct nomination certificate is a sign of her Exercising her Democratic rights! so I don't see the big deal about it!! Every party is dishing out direct nomination certificates at their own discretion ! Kenyans don't find it a big deal..
NOTICE SOME PEOPLE WILD ATTACKS ON RAILA & ODM ;D ;D HILARIOUS WHILE THEY TURN A BLIND EYE ON THE SAME PROCESS OF DIRECT NOMINATION CERTIFICATE BEING HANDED OUT IN UHURU "TNA" AND THE PROBLEMS THE PARTY IS HAVING.. INTERESTING TURN OF EVENTS ON JUKWAA! NOTICE MORE DIRECT RAILA BASHING FROM SOME QUARTERS!! IT DOES REMIND ME OF WHEN MIGUNA PUBLISHED HIS BOOK.. THE SAME PEOPLE BASHED RAILA WITH MAYBE BIG PROMISES FROM MIGUNA.. SEEMS CURIOUS...;D ;D
R911,What I know and we all--and by that I mean Raila/Cord supporters must brace ourselves for what is likely to be a coordinated well oiled campaign to attack, attack, attack. For us, let's just do what we know best and that's to promote and defend Raila/ODM and now Cord ideals
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Post by abdulmote on Jan 24, 2013 21:54:15 GMT 3
Omwenga:
Tell me, what are the "CORD and ODM ideals"? I am a little bit empty on that one. In my opinion, one only has to remove Raila out of the same and what you will remain with is another...KANU! Ideals my foot!
REporter:
Sometimes when I click into some of the threads in here and go through your ubiquitous 'dog with a bone' comments, I tend to get nauseated and feel like throwing up! No, 'vomit' is the word. Honestly and nothing personal, you can do with a little bit of 'letting off' every now and again. Terms like 'intimidating', 'bullish', patronising', 'irrational', 'obsessive' and simply 'too much' are attached in very close proximity with your handle. Just a friendly advice.
The two of you:
If anyone was to rely on some convincing that it may help the same make their mind on who to support, especially party-wise, ODM would lose big time! The frequency with which you tend to abuse others' intelligence is simply astonishing! It is as if you are the only ones who know who Raila is and what the ODM is capable of! "Haters"! That is quite insulting you know.
Now then, that I have vented what I had felt like telling the two you of for a while now, I can sit back and look forward to the very predictable responses, from you know who, any minute henceforth.
Sit back and enjoy!
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 24, 2013 22:09:40 GMT 3
Omwenga: Tell me, what are the "CORD and ODM ideals"? I am a little bit empty on that one. In my opinion, one only has to remove Raila out of the same and what you will remain with is another...KANU! Ideals my foot! REporter: Sometimes when I click into some of the threads in here and go through your ubiquitous 'dog with a bone' comments, I tend to get nauseated and feel like throwing up! No, 'vomit' is the word. Honestly and nothing personal, you can do with a little bit of 'letting off' every now and again. Terms like 'intimidating', 'bullish', patronising', 'irrational', 'obsessive' and simply 'too much' are attached in very close proximity with your handle. Just a friendly advice. The two of you: If anyone was to rely on some convincing that it may help the same make their mind on who to support, especially party-wise, ODM would lose big time! The frequency with which you tend to abuse others' intelligence is simply astonishing! It is as if you are the only ones who know who Raila is and what the ODM is capable of! "Haters"! That is quite insulting you know. Now then, that I have vented what I had felt like telling the two you of for a while now, I can sit back and look forward to the very predictable responses, from you know who, any minute henceforth. Sit back and enjoy! Abdulmote,You have not said anything worth my response other than to cut and paste what I said above: "For us [Raila/Cord supporters], let's just do what we know best and that's to promote and defend Raila/ODM and now Cord ideals."
FYI, contrary to what you seem to believe and have shared, the Raila/Cord ideals are not your feet.
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 24, 2013 22:23:41 GMT 3
R911,What I know and we all--and by that I mean Raila/Cord supporters must brace ourselves for what is likely to be a coordinated well oiled campaign to attack, attack, attack. For us, let's just do what we know best and that's to defend ODM and Cord ideals Friend Omwenga: You usually come across as a very sober fellow, with quite a bit of credibility here (and, I imagine, elsewhere). Why not try to keep it that way. Lately ... well, well, well. And, please, reconsider the idea that anyone who criticizes Raila/ODM is part of a "coordinated well oiled campaign to attack, attack, attack". Some of us do not take kindly to that sort of thing, and you might not take kindly to our responses if you choose to go down that road. (See also , for additional reference, "old Chinese poem" on another thread.) You are a lawyer, so this will be familiar: "Was the requisite notice served before action?"
"Yes, your honour; notice was served".Otis, Two things: First, I have not said and neither is it the case that anyone who opposes or criticizes Raila here or elsewhere is part of "a coordinated well oiled campaign to attack, attack, attack," rather, what I said is Raila/Cord supporters must brace ourselves with what is "likely to coordinated well oiled campaign to attack, attack, attack." These are two different propositions that have nothing to do with each other other than the fact they relate to the same subject of interest: Raila/Cord. I'll repeat saying that, namely, the latter statement, without any concern as to impact on my credibility because it's my position and view based on what I know. Second, there is no going "down" any road because who I am and how I blog has never changed in the last 20 years and doubt will change to the day I rest my fingers typing these blogs. Third, putting on my lawyer hat as you suggest that I do, there is no need to give any warnings or notices unless required by law. I am unaware of any laws upon which your notice is based so you're free to debate, say or do anything here as wish without any such notice, personally it's always a matter of choosing whether to engage, ignore or take any appropriate action as the case may be. That simple.
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 24, 2013 22:53:17 GMT 3
Omwenga: No need to lengthy exchanges. Both the essence of and rationale behind my comment are quite clear to any wide-awake Jukwaaist. Notice has been served. I repeat what I have said above regarding notices.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 24, 2013 23:09:39 GMT 3
I am watching the intellectual feats of acrobatics as candidates trash the party, but endorse the leader.
Oduol and Ongoro pledged loyalty to Raila, but the con-job called CORD they called for what it is. I believe it is professor Podp elsewhere who points out to the tautology of this dichotomy in clear thinking. The buck stops with ;D ... the lesser men!
Let me paraphrase nok ---if i understood him correctly. Like on a chessboard, every pawn will be sacrificed to save the King. That is the nature of the game.
But should a pawn reach the final line on the other end and get promoted to a higher caste....
1. CORD as a rotten body with a healthy head 2. CORD as all rotten -with Maina Njenga a special sore!
As a Jaluos who grew up on a diet of disparaging criticism at the address of Kenyatta-KANU rot, MOi-KANU rot, and matured into ruthless criticism of Kibaki rigging, turning around now and blowing the trumpet of this odoriferous Raila-CORD decomposed body, claiming it is the long awaited for Hosanna, will remain beyond me.
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 24, 2013 23:25:42 GMT 3
Omwenga: As OO stated, there are people who have been supporting Raila, ODM, and whatever for who-knows-how-long and in who-knows-what ways. Reflect on this: you know the handle "otishotish", but do you know the person behind the handle? That's why, being the sort of person who does his homework, I will leave my notice where I have served it. But I will repeat this: my biggest "beef with Raila has to do with Maina Njenga and Mungiki. And that will continue even if Raila gets elected president of the world's presidents. The world will not end on 4 March 2013. Continue on the same path, if you wish, but notice has been served Otis,
I now must tell you I first of all it doesn't matter to me one bit who you are behind your handle and certainly I have no use for your so-called notices or warnings. Do and say whatever you wish I have already said what my position is as to that no need to keep repeating it. If you think you can cow me into saying or not saying something or only saying things you would approve of or for that matter doing anything other than what I have always done and will always do, you're sadly mistaken.
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 25, 2013 0:42:41 GMT 3
Alright. Carry on, Ndugu Omwenga. Who knows ... it might be you who discovered Agwambo, Tinga, Enigma, ... ! I actually have few problems with cheer-leading and praise-singing; like I said, usually traditional, respectable stuff. (It's the generalized, rabid attacks # that make me unhappy.) After all, someone has to do it, right? .. the other stuff, not the attacks. ;D Still, you might want to tone it down a bit: even Luos got a bit embarrassed by the latest "love song" (on your blog) to Baba and the Luos. Too much sugar, if you know what I mean. What a list! Who would have imagined that Mzee is all that! 1!, 2!, 3!, ... (I gave at at around 10.) So, then: Peace, Love, and Unity? ;D Raila malo malo! ;D Listen, this is probably not the best of times to ask, but still ... how is your blog coming along on the Maina-Njenga story? #Re-think than one, and then think again before you get to it. As per notice. P.S. The reason why I stated that you don't know who's behind my handle: Nothing to do with Kenyan "big-man stuff". We all know who you are. That makes it easy to do the homework. So then ... two people in the ring...One can see his opponent, and the other can see? Fairness and all that ... food for thought. Otis,
Saying anything to you beyond what I have said on this to this point will be redundant other than to add I really could care less how you characterize what I do; whether you fancy calling it cheer-leading, writing love letters or such other derisive characterizations I equally dismiss all as irrelevant and ineffective as to what I do. Ati you'll do homework about me; you really think that scares me? You're a canvass on the wall painting itself. Go on.
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 25, 2013 1:24:16 GMT 3
Alright. Carry on, Ndugu Omwenga. Who knows ... it might be you who discovered Agwambo, Tinga, Enigma, ... ! I actually have few problems with cheer-leading and praise-singing; like I said, usually traditional, respectable stuff. (It's the generalized, rabid attacks # that make me unhappy.) After all, someone has to do it, right? .. the other stuff, not the attacks. ;D Still, you might want to tone it down a bit: even Luos got a bit embarrassed by the latest "love song" (on your blog) to Baba and the Luos. Too much sugar, if you know what I mean. What a list! Who would have imagined that Mzee is all that! 1!, 2!, 3!, ... (I gave at at around 10.) So, then: Peace, Love, and Unity? ;D Raila malo malo! ;D Listen, this is probably not the best of times to ask, but still ... how is your blog coming along on the Maina-Njenga story? #Re-think than one, and then think again before you get to it. As per notice. P.S. The reason why I stated that you don't know who's behind my handle: Nothing to do with Kenyan "big-man stuff". We all know who you are. That makes it easy to do the homework. So then ... two people in the ring...One can see his opponent, and the other can see? Fairness and all that ... food for thought. Otis,
Saying anything to you beyond what I have said on this to this point will be redundant other than to add I really could care less how you characterize what I do; whether you fancy calling it cheer-leading, writing love letters or such other derisive characterizations I equally dismiss all as irrelevant and ineffective as to what I do. Ati you'll do homework about me; you really think that scares me? You're a canvass on the wall painting itself. Go on. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Omwenga? kweli Uhuru"TNA"/Ruto"URP/Martha Karua/Peter Kenneth supporters are busy on Jukwaa attacking from every corner.. My question? what makes OtishOtish think that ujuwi yeye? ;D ;D I bet Omwenga you are laughing.. people are sure clueless.. I guess you have to pretend that you don't .. sawa ;D ;D I can see you handled it with finesse Keep up the good work.. "CORD" Tsunami must be getting too strong for people to handle.. waaaaaaaaaash tume fika.. March 4th "CORD" win Landslide
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 25, 2013 1:36:32 GMT 3
Otis,
Saying anything to you beyond what I have said on this to this point will be redundant other than to add I really could care less how you characterize what I do; whether you fancy calling it cheer-leading, writing love letters or such other derisive characterizations I equally dismiss all as irrelevant and ineffective as to what I do. Ati you'll do homework about me; you really think that scares me? You're a canvass on the wall painting itself. Go on. By the way, the proper phrase is "couldn't care less"; if you could care less, then please do. Anyway, like I said ... carry on. Listen, I'm a "man of the world". So I understand where you are coming from, as one might say. So, carry on, friend. A year from now Raila will be PORK, and Omwenga will be sitting at the right hand, and here on Jukwaa it will be "oh! I knew Omwenga back when!". Life's like that. Of course, if you choose to attack us again in the manner you have done today, we might not be very happy about it. We might even respond. But timing is everything. We'll definitely give you a "concrete" response, but why rush it? So, if that is the way you wish to go, I urge patience. Eveything in its time and place, etc. So, carry on, friend; carry on. And now, having assured you that it will come, if you insist that it must come, can we get back to other/serious/productive discussions? Or do you insist on having a "sampler" today? We'll certainly oblige, but I'd advise against that ... but you are the Clever Fellow, right? Your call. Otishotish,
This has now officially crossed to the level of pettiness in my book. You come across as someone who reads and comprehends what I write, even in cases where others don't and you have corrected them at least on one occasion. Have I not made it clear it doesn't matter to me what you wish to do or write and that includes your threats I have to wait to see what OO says or does about it--besides yours truly doing the necessary? How else can I make this any clearer? And if in your warped logic what I have posted is an invitation for other than debating on issues, then that's something I can't help you with but just so it is abundantly clear, let me re-post what I have already posted here: "so you're free to debate, say or do anything here as wish without any such notice, personally it's always a matter of choosing whether to engage, ignore or take any appropriate action as the case may be."
That, you need to make sure you understand if you haven't understood anything else I have said thus far on this and I am at the end of it as I have said all there is to say about it. P.S. Correcting my English is laughable.
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 25, 2013 1:50:38 GMT 3
I have to wait to see what OO says or does about it--besides yours truly doing the necessary? "Doing the necessary"? I have seen some of your past threats---to Oloo & Jukwaa, Kamalet, etc.? Come on, be serious. Are you sure about that? Think about that one. Carefully. That sort of thing can make a huge difference in legal matters.
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 25, 2013 1:53:34 GMT 3
I have to wait to see what OO says or does about it--besides yours truly doing the necessary? "Doing the necessary"? I have seen some of your past threats---to Oloo & Jukwaa, Kamalet, etc.? Come on, be serious. Are you sure about that? Think about that one. Carefully. That sort of thing can make a huge difference in legal matters. You have served me with your notice. It's here for everyone to see. We now await your execution of it.
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 25, 2013 2:04:22 GMT 3
"Doing the necessary"? I have seen some of your past threats---to Oloo & Jukwaa, Kamalet, etc.? Come on, be serious. Are you sure about that? Think about that one. Carefully. That sort of thing can make a huge difference in legal matters. Thanks R911, One mistake many on the Internet, especially those violating the law make is foolishly believing they can hide behind handles in committing crimes or defaming others without being known or identified. I have a long list of guinea pigs to be used as tools to edify the public on this principle and the list is growing until these [use your own adjective here] are caught, prosecuted and handed down the judgment they deserve. I know many, if not all of those who violate the law or commit Internet crimes are penniless and rely on public libraries or work computers to post their hate and smears, which is a sacking offense in by itself as no employer would want to be exposed to the litigation as an enabler but they'll pay nonetheless and those committing criminal offenses will go to jail. First business at hand is let's get the right government in place come March 4, 2013. The rest shall be a matter of time before it comes to pass.
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 25, 2013 2:27:38 GMT 3
Thanks R911, One mistake many on the Internet, especially those violating the law make is foolishly believing they can hide behind handles in committing crimes or defaming others without being known or identified. I have a long list of guinea pigs to be used as tools to edify the public on this principle and the list is growing until these [use your own adjective here] are caught, prosecuted and handed down the judgment they deserve. I know many, if not all of those who violate the law or commit Internet crimes are penniless and rely on public libraries or work computers to post their hate and smears, which is a sacking offense in by itself as no employer would want to be exposed to the litigation as an enabler but they'll pay nonetheless and those committing criminal offenses will go to jail. First business at hand is let's get the right government in place come March 4, 2013. The rest shall be a matter of time before it comes to pass. ;D ;D ;D yup! giving warnings and boasting behind a Keyboard and issuing threats ain't going to work.. let OtishOtish follow up with his threats ati he knows who you are and you don't know who he is? that is fine if that is what he wants to believe, so let him take his threats further we are watching and waiting? Maybe he is used to threatening people who are defenseless and have no means .. wacha ajaribu!!!
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 25, 2013 2:37:42 GMT 3
You have served me with your notice. It's here for everyone to see. We now await your execution of it. Patience, my friend. This is like a restaurant: if the customer insists on it, however crappy it is, then it will eventually get served. But it is also unlike a restaurant: the server will decide when and how it gets served. ;D Omwenga must be shaking in his boots ;D ;D go for it! already you hide behind your keyboards that is a sign of a scared human being, if you are so tough and macho.. reveal yourself, and give your threats and notice to Omwenga face to face!! you can't can you? you can only issue threats and warning hidden behind your Keyboard.. BUT you have placed yourself in a very compromising position.. if anything happens to Omwenga.. You are the only individual who has served him with a threat on his life.. and given him notice. ICC will look like a palace from where you hide behind your key board ;D
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 25, 2013 3:01:46 GMT 3
Omwenga: P.S. Ditch the demented lady friend. When that's all the support you've got ....
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 25, 2013 3:25:09 GMT 3
Patience, my friend. This is like a restaurant: if the customer insists on it, however crappy it is, then it will eventually get served. But it is also unlike a restaurant: the server will decide when and how it gets served. ;D Omwenga must be shaking in his boots ;D ;D go for it! already you hide behind your keyboards that is a sign of a scared human being, if you are so tough and macho.. reveal yourself, and give your threats and notice to Omwenga face to face!! you can't can you? you can only issue threats and warning hidden behind your Keyboard.. BUT you have placed yourself in a very compromising position.. if anything happens to Omwenga.. You are the only individual who has served him with a threat on his life.. and given him notice. ICC will look like a palace from where you hide behind your key board ;D Thanks R911,You have said it well; no need to add anything.
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Post by Omwenga on Jan 25, 2013 3:30:31 GMT 3
Omwenga: P.S. Ditch the demented lady friend. When that's all the support you've got .... Otishotish, I see no sense or reason in ditching someone who's on UK and TNA's case as this feisty lady friend. I am my own man and need no support for anything I do here or elsewhere relative to my mission of making sure Raila is reelected but this time sworn as president.
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Post by OtishOtish on Jan 25, 2013 3:41:23 GMT 3
Omwenga: P.S. Ditch the demented lady friend. When that's all the support you've got .... Otishotish, I see no sense or reason in ditching someone who's on UK and TNA's case as this feisty lady friend. I am my own man and need no support for anything I do here or elsewhere relative to my mission of making sure Raila is reelected but this time sworn as president. I hear you, friend. So, we'll adjourn for today? And tomorrow, after you've thought about and if you still want it sunny-side up (maggots and all), then I am to deliver. Right? But go easy on the "long list of guinea pigs to be used as tools to edify the public" ... That works on some people, but on others ... you might end on the "edification" end. ;D Anyway, now that things seem to be calming down a bit ... how's the Maina-Njenga story coming along?
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Post by reporter911 on Jan 25, 2013 4:46:47 GMT 3
if you are so tough and macho.. reveal yourself,
"Tough and macho" is for blockheads. What makes you think I'm one of those? I don't do weed anymore, but my youngest brother still does. Where do you get your stuff? Just gum yapping!! no substance ;D ;D i thought so.. pole sana..
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 25, 2013 13:39:42 GMT 3
Some of the exchanges on this thread are examples of what many Jukwaa members complain privately to me about.
Do we need all these overly personalized side swipes?
I think not.
Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by OtishOtish on Jan 25, 2013 16:19:00 GMT 3
Some of the exchanges on this thread are examples of what many Jukwaa members complain privately to me about. Do we need all these overly personalized side swipes? I think not. Onyango Oloo Jukwaa AdministratorNo, we don't need them. So you have my sincere apologies for my "contributions".
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 25, 2013 19:52:24 GMT 3
"Raila comes with a track record. Raila has worked hard to liberate Kenya; to create democratic space. To ensure that impunity is a thing of the past and many, many other [accomplishments] around brand Raila Amolo Odinga." William Oduol. There is nothing to add to this excellent assessment of Raila by the very man at the center of the Siaya nomination fracas Raila enemies are trying to exploit for their ill-motivated quest to "stop" Raila from being reelected but this time sworn as our next president. I take this opportunity to thank Mr. Oduol for his objectivity and separation of Raila from the rest of whatever happened in Siaya of which clearly Raila had nothing to do with it for if he had, you would expect this gentleman to be screaming from the top of mountains that he did. An intriguing statement by you Omwenga Jayadha. This SEPARATION of Raila from the rest of whatever [by Ongoro in Nrb too), is a dichotomy PODP has an insight into you may want to ponder. 2. Raila had nothing to do with it, is in the balance, because of the matter of, and the manner in which Bett replaced Kathurima. And other things. 3. Screaming or not by a disadvantaged party: perhaps a strategic mind that calculates the benefits of a scream vs a silence and reaches a careful decision to behave ... tactical silence? Raila still the top dog... May be too, an avalanche of law-suits from conned candidates to consider? AS you get along to move on??
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