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Post by foresight on Mar 5, 2013 3:40:17 GMT 3
ODM National Election Board chairman Franklin Bett has faulted the authenticity of provisional results being issued by IEBC. “Where are these figures coming from? In Ongata Rongai there are people who are still voting. These are just figures floating on a screen,” said Mr Bett at a press conference held at the Bomas of Kenya tallying centre. “March 05 is not designated as a voting day. We have heard of continued voting in Kimilili, Kitale, Uasin Gishu and Kitale. This is placing the credibility of the process in jeopardy,” said Mr Bett. elections.nation.co.ke/news/Bett-faults-IEBCs-provisional-results/-/1631868/1711786/-/7tsfj4/-/index.html |
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Post by foresight on Mar 5, 2013 3:58:56 GMT 3
WHERE ARE THESE FIGURES COMING FROM? Franklin Bett asks!
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 5, 2013 4:09:40 GMT 3
ODM National Election Board chairman Franklin Bett has faulted the authenticity of provisional results being issued by IEBC. “Where are these figures coming from? In Ongata Rongai there are people who are still voting. These are just figures floating on a screen,” said Mr Bett at a press conference held at the Bomas of Kenya tallying centre. “March 05 is not designated as a voting day. We have heard of continued voting in Kimilili, Kitale, Uasin Gishu and Kitale. This is placing the credibility of the process in jeopardy,” said Mr Bett. elections.nation.co.ke/news/Bett-faults-IEBCs-provisional-results/-/1631868/1711786/-/7tsfj4/-/index.htmlAs per the script what is left now is after CORD to refuses the election results which are trickling in is to call for Mass action in the streets . Betts speech is as incoherent as it comes what has provisional results got to do with unverified reports that elections are ongoing in one polling station Ongata Rongai. This is a dangerous precedence they are setting and of-course the next course of action will be to call for the so called mass action with claims the elections have been bungled . Well we have repeatedly said before If Cord/Odm calls for violence this time around then ICC should come in handy and save the situation in the early stages rather than wait for it to escalate to the magnitude it did in 2008. Advice to CORD/ODM let IEBC do their work, resist from making baseless and alarmist calls which might bring tension in the country which in-turn might result to post election violence Kenyans voted peacefully, If you have grievances for heavens sake we have a reformed court which can be trusted and in addition to that your leader said he will seek redress in the courts in case of any dispute or was this the known case of double speak ? Kenyans will be patiently waiting to see and confirm. |
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Post by foresight on Mar 5, 2013 4:33:09 GMT 3
Nowayhaha Bett is ODMs election watchdog, do you take his statement to suggest that CORD/ODM is setting up a stage to dispute the elections result should Jubilee win? I think he is doing his Job. earlier on today... Secretary General Anyang’ Nyong’o challenged IEBC to explain why it reverted to manual voting after the electronic machines faileFd in parts of the country, despite ODM having written to the electoral body asking it to confirm the status of the kits. “We assumed IEBC heeded our advice but it seems they were lazy and did not, leading to a 95 per cent failure of the kit forcing voters to use the manual system,” said Nyong’o. The machines were bought at Sh7 billion. He said it was risky to use the manual voting system since it is easier for someone to masquerade as another person especially in cases where the computer cannot show faces of voters. He complained that several people in Ndhiwa missed their names in the voter registers and alleged some identity card numbers might have been registered more than once. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078705&story_title=--CORD-seeks-extension-of-voting-periodand also this www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-110570/iebc-assures-public-over-transmission-hitches |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 5, 2013 4:57:09 GMT 3
Nowayhaha Bett is ODMs election watchdog, do you take his statement to suggest that CORD/ODM is setting up a stage to dispute the elections result should Jubilee win? I think he is doing his Job. earlier on today... Secretary General Anyang’ Nyong’o challenged IEBC to explain why it reverted to manual voting after the electronic machines faileFd in parts of the country, despite ODM having written to the electoral body asking it to confirm the status of the kits. “We assumed IEBC heeded our advice but it seems they were lazy and did not, leading to a 95 per cent failure of the kit forcing voters to use the manual system,” said Nyong’o. The machines were bought at Sh7 billion. He said it was risky to use the manual voting system since it is easier for someone to masquerade as another person especially in cases where the computer cannot show faces of voters. He complained that several people in Ndhiwa missed their names in the voter registers and alleged some identity card numbers might have been registered more than once. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078705&story_title=--CORD-seeks-extension-of-voting-periodand also this www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-110570/iebc-assures-public-over-transmission-hitchesBased on their strategies ,campaigns , utterances and the latest proceedings it is evident CORD /ODM wont accept the outcome of the elections -This is for sure remember the saying actions speak better than words. As you say he is doing his job very well -going by the script ,caution though he might find himself in Hague all alone by himself , remember its alleged he was in the Waki list and going by the pre-trial proceedings some of the suspects were left off the hook because theirs was political responsibility and not criminal responsibility- This time around he might be surprised that he will be required in ICC courts to answer for his reckless and baseless statements . Peruse throught Tweeter and Facebook and see the outcry from fellow Kenyans after the Betts press-conference -Kenyans are asking the media to give the politicians a complete blackout. On the malfunctioning of the BVR kits or the so called technical hitch earlier in the day this was across the board and it affected the other side of the divide as it affected CORD/ODM but do you see the other political players using it as a basis to discredit the elections? |
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Post by podp on Mar 5, 2013 9:57:56 GMT 3
WHERE ARE THESE FIGURES COMING FROM? Franklin Bett asks! digital so he better get off the analog set |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 5, 2013 12:23:13 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 5, 2013 12:34:22 GMT 3
Impressed by former Jukwaa members Adongo and Job, their "soberness" is quite telling ............... |
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Post by foresight on Mar 5, 2013 17:59:50 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Mar 5, 2013 18:13:51 GMT 3
That's an interesting thread. Ot once praying for bad things to happen in some places, and then theorizing that while the constitution says an outright winner must ganner 50% +1, the statistics are on the basis of “votes cast”, not “valid votes cast”. That reads a little funny. Somebody's favourite must be winning in the "bad votes" basket. Regardless, I would not entertaining the madness of counting "invalid votes" in anybody's favour, although they count in the 100% votes cast (base). However I would entertain the idea of looking at what makes a vote "invalid". If a voter clearly indicates the candidate of choice, and drops the ballot into a voting box, then in my view thats a valid vote even if it was dropped in the wrong box. However if there is any ambiguity on the ballot as to whom the voter intended to elect, then that's a bad vote and it should be condemned to the bag of bad or invalid votes. |
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Post by mank on Mar 5, 2013 18:27:51 GMT 3
IEBC needs to take control of results announcement. Just a moment ago there were these folks from Kisii airing controversial announcements that should have been sorted out by IEBC alone, and not be given airtime the way they were. That's how hell starts, when you get informal announcers declaring winners and losers on public media. IE
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Post by foresight on Mar 5, 2013 18:30:43 GMT 3
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Post by foresight on Mar 5, 2013 18:32:51 GMT 3
Its about to explode.... Tick tock tick tock tick tock... The calm before a storm....
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2013 10:24:30 GMT 3
foresightThose provisional results have a problem related to IEBC electronic transmission. Everyone, except Jubilee, are glad the this was identified and stopped. Notice they have hardly changed for more than 24 hours. They are null and void. The recounting is being done and luckily there is time. Kenya is under intense international spotlight but Ruto does not seem to appreciate this. Let's be patient and wait for today's official IEBC announcements that will be based on filing by Returning Officers from the ground. CORD will accept those genuine results if they happen to lose. RO's have all been put under heavy police guard (thanks to reforms that some resisted for years) and a number of them are already at Bomas. I doubt if there will be any implosion following what is deemed to be a free and fair process.
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 10:55:34 GMT 3
foresightThose provisional results have a problem related to IEBC electronic transmission. Everyone, except Jubilee, are glad the this was identified and stopped. Notice they have hardly changed for more than 24 hours. They are null and void. The recounting is being done and luckily there is time. Kenya is under intense international spotlight but Ruto does not seem to appreciate this. Let's be patient and wait for today's official IEBC announcements that will be based on filing by Returning Officers from the ground. CORD will accept those genuine results if they happen to lose. RO's have all been put under heavy police guard (thanks to reforms that some resisted for years) and a number of them are already at Bomas. I doubt if there will be any implosion following what is deemed to be a free and fair process. All along the announcers have been very careful, to repeatedly caution listeners that what they were announcing were provisional. Now, what has triggered the recounting that you report? Obviously not the fact that the results that were announced all along were provisional. It would be best for IEBC to keep people informed as to what tiggering any unexpected steps ... it would be difficult to explain miles and miles of surprises after a long ununderstood wait. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 6, 2013 11:06:52 GMT 3
foresightThose provisional results have a problem related to IEBC electronic transmission. Everyone, except Jubilee, are glad the this was identified and stopped. Notice they have hardly changed for more than 24 hours. They are null and void. The recounting is being done and luckily there is time. Kenya is under intense international spotlight but Ruto does not seem to appreciate this. Let's be patient and wait for today's official IEBC announcements that will be based on filing by Returning Officers from the ground. CORD will accept those genuine results if they happen to lose. RO's have all been put under heavy police guard (thanks to reforms that some resisted for years) and a number of them are already at Bomas. I doubt if there will be any implosion following what is deemed to be a free and fair process. The problem of transmission is that of system failure as opposed to a Cord vote transforming to a Jubilee vote in the process of transmission as Phil would like us to believe! The returns by the County Officers is not a process of recounting but a reconfirmation of transmitted data that Cord Votes were not transformed into those of Jubilee as the Cord people seem to believe! |
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Post by b6k on Mar 6, 2013 11:50:23 GMT 3
foresightThose provisional results have a problem related to IEBC electronic transmission. Everyone, except Jubilee, are glad the this was identified and stopped. Notice they have hardly changed for more than 24 hours. They are null and void. The recounting is being done and luckily there is time. Kenya is under intense international spotlight but Ruto does not seem to appreciate this. Let's be patient and wait for today's official IEBC announcements that will be based on filing by Returning Officers from the ground. CORD will accept those genuine results if they happen to lose. RO's have all been put under heavy police guard (thanks to reforms that some resisted for years) and a number of them are already at Bomas. I doubt if there will be any implosion following what is deemed to be a free and fair process. Sometimes good ideas can backfire.... standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078711&story_title=Kenya-Police-shoots-dead-Presiding-Officer# |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 6, 2013 12:27:27 GMT 3
foresightThose provisional results have a problem related to IEBC electronic transmission. Everyone, except Jubilee, are glad the this was identified and stopped. Notice they have hardly changed for more than 24 hours. They are null and void. The recounting is being done and luckily there is time. Kenya is under intense international spotlight but Ruto does not seem to appreciate this. Let's be patient and wait for today's official IEBC announcements that will be based on filing by Returning Officers from the ground. CORD will accept those genuine results if they happen to lose. RO's have all been put under heavy police guard (thanks to reforms that some resisted for years) and a number of them are already at Bomas. I doubt if there will be any implosion following what is deemed to be a free and fair process. Sometimes good ideas can backfire.... standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078711&story_title=Kenya-Police-shoots-dead-Presiding-Officer#My sources tell me that eyewitnesses saw the policeman unsling the gun, uncork it, aim it and fire it. But they insist that all this happened accidentally. The mboys in mblue then moved to secured the results and ballots. They will be rewarded for their gallantry and patriotism. More on this later…. |
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2013 13:21:28 GMT 3
call it confirmation or recounting, the fact is the on-going IEBC announcements supercedes whatever had been released earlier. Already there is a huge difference in what you guys called provisional and what we are seeing being announced.
This time @kamale it aint cutting.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 6, 2013 13:27:09 GMT 3
call it confirmation or recounting, the fact is the on-going IEBC announcements supercedes whatever had been released earlier. Already there is a huge difference in what you guys called provisional and what we are seeing being announced. This time @kamale it aint cutting. Phil Nothing new you are telling us. We always knew that the electronic figures were provisional until the signed off results were received at the national tallying centre and released by the commission. Only two constituencies have been announced.....so what huge difference is being given? I am for a fair result and will take it as announced by the IEBC....question is will you?? |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 6, 2013 13:32:39 GMT 3
call it confirmation or recounting, the fact is the on-going IEBC announcements supercedes whatever had been released earlier. Already there is a huge difference in what you guys called provisional and what we are seeing being announced. This time @kamale it aint cutting. You are so right. It seems the 'digital' team just wanted provisional digital results instead of the real results from the ground. That system appears to have been hacked and was stuck from yesterday. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 6, 2013 13:34:27 GMT 3
I am for a fair result and will take it as announced by the IEBC....question is will you?? On this, we all agree. Twende kazi! |
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2013 13:47:42 GMT 3
call it confirmation or recounting, the fact is the on-going IEBC announcements supercedes whatever had been released earlier. Already there is a huge difference in what you guys called provisional and what we are seeing being announced. This time @kamale it aint cutting. Phil Nothing new you are telling us. We always knew that the electronic figures were provisional until the signed off results were received at the national tallying centre and released by the commission. Only two constituencies have been announced.....so what huge difference is being given? I am for a fair result and will take it as announced by the IEBC....question is will you?? I will accept just, free and fair result. Right now tallying tells me Raila 50% and Uhuru 45%, that is from the official manual tallying already received. Now did someone say Kajiado County is a TNA zone? You can proceed and believe the ghost figures you are seeing on TV, and as RR tells you IEBC systems were actually hacked and compromised by known individuals thus the decision to shift to manual. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 6, 2013 13:47:55 GMT 3
My sources tell me that eyewitnesses saw the policeman unsling the gun, uncork it, aim it and fire it. But they insist that all this happened accidentally. The mboys in mblue then moved to secured the results and ballots. They will be rewarded for their gallantry and patriotism. More on this later…. That sounds like murder. Cop should be arrested & charged.... |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 13:49:59 GMT 3
call it confirmation or recounting, the fact is the on-going IEBC announcements supercedes whatever had been released earlier. Already there is a huge difference in what you guys called provisional and what we are seeing being announced. This time @kamale it aint cutting. Phill sometimes people need to be realistic, so far only results for 3 constituencies have been announced that is Kajiado South , Kajiado Central and Diaspora what is the huge difference between the provisional and what is being announced? |
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