RAILA's close confidante urges him to CONCEDE

[nowayhaha]

Monday March 11, 2013 - Kisumu West MP elect Olago Oluoch has urged the Prime Minister Raila Odinga to concede defeat if he wants to appear as statesman and a patriotic leader.

Speaking to journalists on Sunday at his home in Nairobi, Olago Oluoch, who is a renowned Constitutional lawyer, said it would be appropriate for the PM to concede defeat.

“He would easily become a statesman if he let go. But the court battle might be bruising and might easily soil what he has achieved for the country,” Olago who is a close confidante of the PM said.



www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/raila-odingas-close-confidante-urges.html

[kamalet]

Mar 11, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Monday March 11, 2013 - Kisumu West MP elect Olago Oluoch has urged the Prime Minister Raila Odinga to concede defeat if he wants to appear as statesman and a patriotic leader.

Speaking to journalists on Sunday at his home in Nairobi, Olago Oluoch, who is a renowned Constitutional lawyer, said it would be appropriate for the PM to concede defeat.

“He would easily become a statesman if he let go. But the court battle might be bruising and might easily soil what he has achieved for the country,” Olago who is a close confidante of the PM said.



www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/raila-odingas-close-confidante-urges.html

Wait out for Einstein to call Olago out for suggesting Raila can be a statesman if he concedes! ;D

[destiny]

If the PM loses (By the way is he still PM?) the petition at the Supreme Court, he risks tarnishing his reputation and becoming a laughing stock at home and abroad for crying wolf whenever he's trounced. He may as well be kissing goodbye his chances of being a respected statesman. He must win this case, peroid. No buts or if, it's Raila Odinga On Trial and his fat cat lawyers better advice him accordingly.

[Omwenga]

Mar 11, 2013 19:18:38 GMT 3 destiny said:

If the PM loses (By the way is he still PM?) the petition at the Supreme Court, he risks tarnishing his reputation and becoming a laughing stock at home and abroad for crying wolf whenever he's trounced. He may as well be kissing goodbye his chances of being a respected statesman. He must win this case, peroid. No buts or if, it's Raila Odinga On Trial and his fat cat lawyers better advice him accordingly.

This is an open and shut case the only question now is whether the court orders a re-run or a fresh presidential election. A re-run, of course, is the better option.

That being said, it says something about those who would hold the view if Raila loses the case then he somehow loses his stature as a statesman for "crying wolf"--notice the warped logic with that type of fallacious reasoning for it implies one loses a case like this for "crying wolf" at the exclusion of all other potential reasons that may or may not have anything to do with the evidence presented.

[mwalimumkuu]

Mar 11, 2013 19:18:38 GMT 3 destiny said:

If the PM loses (By the way is he still PM?) the petition at the Supreme Court, he risks tarnishing his reputation and becoming a laughing stock at home and abroad for crying wolf whenever he's trounced. He may as well be kissing goodbye his chances of being a respected statesman. He must win this case, peroid. No buts or if, it's Raila Odinga On Trial and his fat cat lawyers better advice him accordingly.

I totally agree with you. I have advised him elsewhere to cut his losses and go home. He is now walking a very dangerous path with word doing the rounds that CORD is a divided house on this issue.

[mank]

Mar 11, 2013 13:59:58 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Mar 11, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Monday March 11, 2013 - Kisumu West MP elect Olago Oluoch has urged the Prime Minister Raila Odinga to concede defeat if he wants to appear as statesman and a patriotic leader.

Speaking to journalists on Sunday at his home in Nairobi, Olago Oluoch, who is a renowned Constitutional lawyer, said it would be appropriate for the PM to concede defeat.

“He would easily become a statesman if he let go. But the court battle might be bruising and might easily soil what he has achieved for the country,” Olago who is a close confidante of the PM said.



www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/raila-odingas-close-confidante-urges.html

Wait out for Einstein to call Olago out for suggesting Raila can be a statesman if he concedes! ;D

Seems Einstein has given this up. I have seen an argument made here twice now that Raila needs to salvage his chances of being veiwed as a stateman and Einstein has not come out blazing like before.

[bob]

hahahhahah! Raila cut your losses ,please salvage your chances of being viewed as a statesman both home & internationally. Why are you worried about him loosing stature as a statesman yet many of you have never seen anything good in him as an individual or politician. Many thought he would instigate or make statements that would fuel tension but you were disappointed instead he choose the path he has always championed for justice through a credible judiciary. Sasa munataka nini? Just be a little patient & wait for Mutunga & co to decide whichever way. And by the time the petition is over,one thing for sure I can guarantee to Kenyans at large is that when one takes up the responsiblilty of occupying a constitution office you should be ready to serve Kenyans & not a class of political mercenaries. The journey to end impunity is very ,very long & tedious and expensive too.

[ebarasi]

Mar 11, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Monday March 11, 2013 - Kisumu West MP elect Olago Oluoch has urged the Prime Minister Raila Odinga to concede defeat if he wants to appear as statesman and a patriotic leader.

Speaking to journalists on Sunday at his home in Nairobi, Olago Oluoch, who is a renowned Constitutional lawyer, said it would be appropriate for the PM to concede defeat.

“He would easily become a statesman if he let go. But the court battle might be bruising and might easily soil what he has achieved for the country,” Olago who is a close confidante of the PM said.



www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/raila-odingas-close-confidante-urges.html

What exactly is he supposed to concede to? Lose at a fair fight?
In all wars, some soldiers have been known to subject themselves to some form of injury so as to avoid being shipped to the front-lines. And then there have been those who fought to the last man defending that which was fundamental and essential to their fellow countrymen - The heroes. A true soldier concedes defeat in a fair fight. A coward capitulates at the first sound of gunfire. Raila has fought too long in the trenches and he is not a coward. Shock and awe will not work on him. He will only concede if he loses fairly. Why this obsession with conceding when it is his decision to make?

[gemagema]

For me, who is a Raila supporter damu, it is not even about winning the petition or losing it. For all I care, I don’t trust akina Njoki and Ibrahim. I am certain that the forces that penetrated IEBC, will also penetrate the Supreme Court judges, hence this case may not get a fair ruling. My suggestion would be for these Judges to have no contact with the Public during the time that they are sitting for this case...just like the Jury system. For as long as they are free to mingle...the dark forces will reach them and only Mutunga could stand against the powers of such dark and monied forces

Notwithstanding, what is important, for me, is the case process itself. I want to hear and know exactly what happened. I don’t want Kenyans to think IEBC and its chairman is a credible institution and yet it isn’t. Like Raila put it...Democracy on Trial

How else shall we assure the fair elections in the future?

Moreover, we have praised our Judiciary long enough...it is time to test them even further. Trust me, Mutunga would like to keep his legacy...wengine wao...am not sure

Thank God Mutunga said that the process should be public...hence kila Mkenya ataona na atasikia

And for all of you yapping, none knows the details of the case. So, let us wait till Tuesday, to know exactly
Trust me, that breed of Lawyers wouldn’t be lining themselves up in the supreme court if there is nothing to grind

[ebarasi]

Mar 12, 2013 2:07:03 GMT 3 gemagema said:

For me, who is a Raila supporter damu, it is not even about winning the petition or losing it. For all I care, I don’t trust akina Njoki and Ibrahim. I am certain that the forces that penetrated IEBC, will also penetrate the Supreme Court judges, hence this case may not get a fair ruling. My suggestion would be for these Judges to have no contact with the Public during the time that they are sitting for this case...just like the Jury system. For as long as they are free to mingle...the dark forces will reach them and only Mutunga could stand against the powers of such dark and monied forces

Notwithstanding, what is important, for me, is the case process itself. I want to hear and know exactly what happened. I don’t want Kenyans to think IEBC and its chairman is a credible institution and yet it isn’t. Like Raila put it...Democracy on Trial

How else shall we assure the fair elections in the future?

Moreover, we have praised our Judiciary long enough...it is time to test them even further. Trust me, Mutunga would like to keep his legacy...wengine wao...am not sure

Thank God Mutunga said that the process should be public...hence kila Mkenya ataona na atasikia

And for all of you yapping, none knows the details of the case. So, let us wait till Tuesday, to know exactly
Trust me, that breed of Lawyers wouldn’t be lining themselves up in the supreme court if there is nothing to grind

Gemagema,
I hear you loud and clear. We must however not prejudge and preempt a process. We have committed ourselves to resolving presidential electoral disputes at the supreme court and that is precisely what we should do if we are a law abiding nation. What you say may be true, but that would be a different struggle. What we look for is impartiality and equality before the law. We can improve on what we have but in the meanwhile, it is what we have. Let's nurture, challenge, and develop it into a tool of just service to all.

[einstein]

Mar 11, 2013 13:59:58 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Mar 11, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Monday March 11, 2013 - Kisumu West MP elect Olago Oluoch has urged the Prime Minister Raila Odinga to concede defeat if he wants to appear as statesman and a patriotic leader.

Speaking to journalists on Sunday at his home in Nairobi, Olago Oluoch, who is a renowned Constitutional lawyer, said it would be appropriate for the PM to concede defeat.

“He would easily become a statesman if he let go. But the court battle might be bruising and might easily soil what he has achieved for the country,” Olago who is a close confidante of the PM said.



www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/raila-odingas-close-confidante-urges.html

Wait out for Einstein to call Olago out for suggesting Raila can be a statesman if he concedes! ;D

Mar 11, 2013 20:49:39 GMT 3 mank said:

Mar 11, 2013 13:59:58 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Wait out for Einstein to call Olago out for suggesting Raila can be a statesman if he concedes! ;D

Seems Einstein has given this up. I have seen an argument made here twice now that Raila needs to salvage his chances of being veiwed as a stateman and Einstein has not come out blazing like before.

The truth is that none of you can proclaim Raila a statesman! Not Kamale not Mank and surely not Uhuru Kenyatta. All of you are well documented Raila haters!

As regards Olago Oluoch's supposed statement, I can only say that I have NEVER and shall NEVER consider Kenya-Post, a blog just like Jukwaa, a credible source worth believing!

All these years you people NEVER liked Raila and his policies but now, just to get your man put on the thrown by having Raila drop the petition, you are praying day and night that he concedes!

Raila does not need to be bestowed with the title 'statesman' by any one for him to claim his rightful place in Kenya's history!

I told you, the man has grandchildren to go home and take care of!!

Thanks but no thanks, Raila does not need sympathy from anyone!

Keep your kindness to yourselves, you shameless hypocrites!!

[Omwenga]

Mar 11, 2013 19:30:04 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Mar 11, 2013 19:18:38 GMT 3 destiny said:

If the PM loses (By the way is he still PM?) the petition at the Supreme Court, he risks tarnishing his reputation and becoming a laughing stock at home and abroad for crying wolf whenever he's trounced. He may as well be kissing goodbye his chances of being a respected statesman. He must win this case, peroid. No buts or if, it's Raila Odinga On Trial and his fat cat lawyers better advice him accordingly.

I totally agree with you. I have advised him elsewhere to cut his losses and go home. He is now walking a very dangerous path with word doing the rounds that CORD is a divided house on this issue.

Mwalimumkuu,

It's laughable albeit predictable that some of you are now begging Raila to simply accept the flagrant theft of yet again another victory of his and simply go home so you or more precisely, those you route for enjoy the loot.

Dream on it's never going to happen; Raila is going nowhere but court and after that back to the polls where he'll once again get the majority vote but this time be sworn as our next president.

[Omwenga]

Mar 11, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Monday March 11, 2013 - Kisumu West MP elect Olago Oluoch has urged the Prime Minister Raila Odinga to concede defeat if he wants to appear as statesman and a patriotic leader.

Speaking to journalists on Sunday at his home in Nairobi, Olago Oluoch, who is a renowned Constitutional lawyer, said it would be appropriate for the PM to concede defeat.

“He would easily become a statesman if he let go. But the court battle might be bruising and might easily soil what he has achieved for the country,” Olago who is a close confidante of the PM said.



www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/raila-odingas-close-confidante-urges.html

The title of this thread is misleading and actually simply false; Oluoch is no "close confidante" of Raila but one can understand in these desperate times, anything goes includes facts and truth from those who neither is on their side.

[Omwenga]

Mar 12, 2013 0:57:15 GMT 3 bob said:

hahahhahah! Raila cut your losses ,please salvage your chances of being viewed as a statesman both home & internationally. Why are you worried about him loosing stature as a statesman yet many of you have never seen anything good in him as an individual or politician. Many thought he would instigate or make statements that would fuel tension but you were disappointed instead he choose the path he has always championed for justice through a credible judiciary. Sasa munataka nini? Just be a little patient & wait for Mutunga & co to decide whichever way. And by the time the petition is over,one thing for sure I can guarantee to Kenyans at large is that when one takes up the responsiblilty of occupying a constitution office you should be ready to serve Kenyans & not a class of political mercenaries. The journey to end impunity is very ,very long & tedious and expensive too.

Bob,

The shameless hypocrisy of some of this people is simply amazing and hard to fathom but that's what Raila engenders in many of these people: blind hatred they can't see the hypocrisy at all.

[Omwenga]

Mar 12, 2013 2:07:03 GMT 3 gemagema said:

For me, who is a Raila supporter damu, it is not even about winning the petition or losing it. For all I care, I don’t trust akina Njoki and Ibrahim. I am certain that the forces that penetrated IEBC, will also penetrate the Supreme Court judges, hence this case may not get a fair ruling. My suggestion would be for these Judges to have no contact with the Public during the time that they are sitting for this case...just like the Jury system. For as long as they are free to mingle...the dark forces will reach them and only Mutunga could stand against the powers of such dark and monied forces

Notwithstanding, what is important, for me, is the case process itself. I want to hear and know exactly what happened. I don’t want Kenyans to think IEBC and its chairman is a credible institution and yet it isn’t. Like Raila put it...Democracy on Trial

How else shall we assure the fair elections in the future?

Moreover, we have praised our Judiciary long enough...it is time to test them even further. Trust me, Mutunga would like to keep his legacy...wengine wao...am not sure

Thank God Mutunga said that the process should be public...hence kila Mkenya ataona na atasikia

And for all of you yapping, none knows the details of the case. So, let us wait till Tuesday, to know exactly
Trust me, that breed of Lawyers wouldn’t be lining themselves up in the supreme court if there is nothing to grind

Gemagema,

You have spoken well and have raised some of the same issues I am penning in a blog to be soon posted touching on what's at stake here and how paramount it's for the judges to take their responsibilities very seriously and more so avoid the temptation from the evil forces.

I blogged earlier about a Jubilee adviser who rather loudly in likely a drunken state of mind let it be known at a watering hole how they have so much money and are confident they can buy the judges to get the desired outcome for them.

That level of stupidity, backwardness and arrogance is simply unprecedented but must be stopped by all Kenyans of goodwill--and yes the judges themselves who I am sure they are trying to get to in executing this now not too secret wicked plot.

You mention Justice Ndung'u I happen to know her and will give her the benefit of doubt that she cannot succumb to these evil designs and so will the rest of the court not do the same, beginning with Dr. Mutunga himself who I doubt anyone would be even as stupid to even think about approaching with such a moronic idea.

[kurosiwo]

In the words of Martin Niemoller 1892, First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Let justice take it's course and the judiciary be the path to that justice. A precedent may be just what is needed here; whether or not Cord wins this case.

[b6k]

Mar 12, 2013 4:53:36 GMT 3 Omwenga said:

Mar 11, 2013 19:30:04 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

I totally agree with you. I have advised him elsewhere to cut his losses and go home. He is now walking a very dangerous path with word doing the rounds that CORD is a divided house on this issue.

Mwalimumkuu,

It's laughable albeit predictable that some of you are now begging Raila to simply accept the flagrant theft of yet again another victory of his and simply go home so you or more precisely, those you route for enjoy the loot.

Dream on it's never going to happen; Raila is going nowhere but court and after that back to the polls where he'll once again get the majority vote but this time be sworn as our next president.

Omwenga, I for one have argued that Raila should pursue the court petition to its logical conclusion... another bitter defeat. It is a pity you didn't take me up on my suggestion that you should consider re-joining the law profession, at least here in KE, so that you can better serve Jakom. Everything henceforth will be about litigation. That's the only way CORD can hope to be a thorn in Jubilee's side. You will make yourself irrelevant if you stick only to blogging when what will be needed are lawyers who will put legal hurdles every step of the way for the Uhuru administration to handle, oyominto. It would be great to have legal tussles with at least two Jukwaaist on either side of the divide. You with CORD & Miguna Miguna with Jubilee...

[Omwenga]

Mar 12, 2013 7:55:54 GMT 3 b6k said:

Mar 12, 2013 4:53:36 GMT 3 Omwenga said:

Mwalimumkuu,

It's laughable albeit predictable that some of you are now begging Raila to simply accept the flagrant theft of yet again another victory of his and simply go home so you or more precisely, those you route for enjoy the loot.

Dream on it's never going to happen; Raila is going nowhere but court and after that back to the polls where he'll once again get the majority vote but this time be sworn as our next president.

Omwenga, I for one have argued that Raila should pursue the court petition to its logical conclusion... another bitter defeat. It is a pity you didn't take me up on my suggestion that you should consider re-joining the law profession, at least here in KE, so that you can better serve Jakom. Everything henceforth will be about litigation. That's the only way CORD can hope to be a thorn in Jubilee's side. You will make yourself irrelevant if you stick only to blogging when what will be needed are lawyers who will put legal hurdles every step of the way for the Uhuru administration to handle, oyominto. It would be great to have legal tussles with at least two Jukwaaist on either side of the divide. You with CORD & Miguna Miguna with Jubilee...

b6k.

I am not interested in the practice of law and kindly leave my person out of these discussions. and that includes what I do to make sure all my children attend private school as they always have or that I continue paying mortgage for my golf-course gated community home as I always have neither of which I can assure you is paid for by blogging.

I blog for reasons I have stated in my blog if care to know.

Put another way, let's just confine ourselves to discussion of issues not personalities that are not germane to the discussion or debate.

[kamalet]

[quote author=omwenga board=general thread=8085 post=118939 time=1363087921

b6k.

I am not interested in the practice of law and kindly leave my person out of these discussions. and that includes what I do to make sure all my children attend private school as they always have or that I continue paying mortgage for my golf-course gated community home as I always have neither of which I can assure you is paid for by blogging.

.[/quote]

Oh lawd!!!

[Horth]

Mar 12, 2013 14:32:01 GMT 3 Omwenga said:

I am not interested in the practice of law and kindly leave my person out of these discussions. and that includes what I do to make sure all my children attend private school as they always have or that I continue paying mortgage for my golf-course gated community home as I always have neither of which I can assure you is paid for by blogging.

My goodness.

That's a cracker and half, if I may say so.

[mwalimumkuu]

Mar 12, 2013 4:53:36 GMT 3 Omwenga said:

Mar 11, 2013 19:30:04 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

I totally agree with you. I have advised him elsewhere to cut his losses and go home. He is now walking a very dangerous path with word doing the rounds that CORD is a divided house on this issue.

Mwalimumkuu,

It's laughable albeit predictable that some of you are now begging Raila to simply accept the flagrant theft of yet again another victory of his and simply go home so you or more precisely, those you route for enjoy the loot.

Dream on it's never going to happen; Raila is going nowhere but court and after that back to the polls where he'll once again get the majority vote but this time be sworn as our next president.

Omwenga,

We are not begging Raila as you are putting it, we are instead advising him to act his age and show some wisdom this time round. One cannot approach everything in life emotionally. There comes a time when one has to show that they have matured enough to understand how this world works.

We are simply telling Raila that he will soon be a laughing stock of the country and elsewhere regardless of the outcome of the petition he intends to file.

[mugabe]

mwalimumtukutu

Let Raila proceed with the petition it is his democratic right and methinks that it might be necessary if we are to improve the way elections are managed. You can rest easy, the court is not going to overturn the election your political 'god' is going to remain in office until he is fixed politically in keeping with the Machiavellian nature of our politics and then you will begin whining. I will remind you to act your age when that time comes.

[mwalimumkuu]

Mar 13, 2013 11:17:04 GMT 3 mugabe said:

mwalimumtukutu

Let Raila proceed with the petition it is his democratic right and methinks that it might be necessary if we are to improve the way elections are managed. You can rest easy, the court is not going to overturn the election your political 'god' is going to remain in office until he is fixed politically in keeping with the Machiavellian nature of our politics and then you will begin whining. I will remind you to act your age when that time comes.

Mugabe,

A well managed and efficient election is the prayer and wish of every Kenyan. Having said that, I haven't seen anything suggesting that the just concluded election was compromised. On the contrary, everyone except CORD has lauded Isaak's commission for diligence and efficiency.

Where I part ways with CORD is the seeming held perspective among some of its top leaders that if it is not them winning, then the election cannot have been free and fair.

[jakaswanga]

Mar 12, 2013 5:39:00 GMT 3 kurosiwo said:

In the words of Martin Niemoller 1892, First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Let justice take it's course and the judiciary be the path to that justice. A precedent may be just what is needed here; whether or not Cord wins this case.

In Kenya?

We rigged our own primary elections [at the nominations stage]. Those who spoke up we called them TNA moles, and denounced them as traitors.

A few weeks later we were rigged out . We shouted thief! Everybody shrugged and laughed --Gosh! don't they have a sense of humour, them ODMers!

And the cynic otishotish added: a taste of their own medicine! served them right!

[Omwenga]

Mar 13, 2013 19:16:54 GMT 3 jakaswanga said:

Mar 12, 2013 5:39:00 GMT 3 kurosiwo said:

In the words of Martin Niemoller 1892, First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Let justice take it's course and the judiciary be the path to that justice. A precedent may be just what is needed here; whether or not Cord wins this case.

In Kenya?

We rigged our own primary elections [at the nominations stage]. Those who spoke up we called them TNA moles, and denounced them as traitors.

A few weeks later we were rigged out . We shouted thief! Everybody shrugged and laughed --Gosh! don't they have a sense of humour, them ODMers!

And the cynic otishotish added: a taste of their own medicine! served them right!

For any student out there or anyone generally unfamiliar with informal fallacies reading this, this is what is known as the fallacy of hasty generalization in logic. It's also the worst example in terms of its depth in wrongness comparable only to the big lie that Uhuru beat Raila by the margins claimed by the heavily compromised IEBC.