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Re: Advanced Thinking: Rutologic and The ICC
« Reply #7 on Nov 30, 2012, 4:46pm »

Nov 30, 2012 16:46:07 GMT 3 kamalet said:

The strangest of them all are the ODMers still hanging on the ICC to win it!

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Re: "ACHICHA wendi KITYO" hits KALENJIN LAND
« Reply #5 on Nov 26, 2012, 4:22pm

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Nov 26, 2012 16:22:20 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Nov 26, 2012 14:26:36 GMT 3 kamalet said:

....and how will they plunge the country into a state of anarchy? Is it by being elected?

Besides, this 'achicha' thing is only on the internet. Hapa mashinani there is nothing like that. In fact people are eagerly awaiting for the signing of the coalition instrument between their leader Ruto and TNA.

Re: "ACHICHA wendi KITYO" hits KALENJIN LAND
« Reply #9 on Nov 27, 2012, 8:22am »

Nov 27, 2012 8:22:23 GMT 3 kamalet said:

One cannot help but notice the worry that an Uhuruto coalition brings.

To counter it, it has been labeled a tribal alliance or and alliance of criminals amongst many names.

The protagonist here is William Ruto.

Now tell me if the Kalenjins would have been deemed lost had the so called Elders of Eldoret and Nakuru convinced Ruto to team up with Raila which was the main aim of the meetings?

Would Kalenjins be the dumb idiots they are being suggested to be for teaming up with Uhuru if they were say teaming up with ODM?

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Re: "ACHICHA wendi KITYO" hits KALENJIN LAND
« Reply #10 on Nov 27, 2012, 9:04am »

Nov 27, 2012 9:04:38 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Nov 27, 2012 6:09:35 GMT 3 merkeju said:

Mwalimu

Its time you realize that the tower of babel is coming down,when reality sinks in, Ruto will have no choice but to leave Uhuru and TNA, you should know that Ruto is an empty Debe, he was made, he did not make himself, the Kalenjins made him during the 2007 elections, he wanted to ditch Raila and follow Kalonzo, but the people were with Raila, so for him to remain relevant he had to stay in Raila's camp, and for the support he got from Rift valley Ruto was to be the prime minister, but since ODM could not form the government by itself that did not happen.
The Kalenjins will not go with Uhuru, that is a fact and Ruto will either go alone or become irrelevant if he becomes Uhuru's running mate, take that to the bank Mr.

Merkeju,

I just took your check to the bank but it bounced vibaya sana with costs. Now, will you pay the costs? You see ndugu, the problem with you guys is that, you are sharing with us your wishes as if they were a reality.

This is what we know my friend, Kalenjins have no problem with Uhuru, they have voted for him to a man before. I am yet to see anything indicating that this position had changed. In 2007 the Kalenjins had beef with Kibaki the man for what they perceived as his targeting them and their interests. In Raila they saw a man whom they thought would well represent them in standing to Kibaki. But he let them down, his betrayal of the community was more painful than Kibakis because unlike Kibaki, they had invested all their worldly possessions in Raila.

Today, the Kalenjins have no beef with any other candidate out there but Raila and no better candidate to stand to him than Uhuru. Of course they would have loved to have their own (read Ruto) do it, but they know this is a game that needs more than one's wishes. In short today's Raila is yesterdays Kibaki and todays Uhuru is yesterdays Raila. So go figure before you start believing in your own wishes.

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Re: Of The Raila-Kalonzo-Ruto Alliance
« Reply #1 on Oct 29, 2012, 4:01pm »

Oct 29, 2012 16:01:24 GMT 3 destiny said:

Kalonzo seems to be jumping around like a headless chicken begging for accommodation from one party to another. Even if he was to join ODM- which is not too far fetched since he's a flip flopper, I doubt he would last long in there with his crazy demands for himself and his huge Kamba entourage. There would be complete meltdown if he jumped the queue and was made Raila's running mate. Ngilu would quickly go the opposite way towards TNA, I'm sure she's watching the night meetings keenly. Kalonzo needs ODM more than they need him, perhaps he's just throwing tantrum to attract TNA's attention!

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Re: Of The Raila-Kalonzo-Ruto Alliance
« Reply #77 on Nov 23, 2012, 7:4

Nov 23, 2012 19:48:52 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Kamale and Rais,

I agree that the departure of Kalonzo leaves Ngilu as the head of the Uhuruto coalition in Ukambani, that is the end of the story. But like Rais, I just do not see how Ngilu can bring these guys even as little as 200k votes from Ukambani.

Having said that though, I understand that Kalonzo's demands could not be accommodated anywhere in the coalition, more reason why he had to go. Uhuruto were left with no choice but to replace him even if only for PR purposes, thats where Ngilu and her sidekick Kiema Kilonzo come in. Methink Uhuruto have done their calculations without factoring in the Ukambani vote and are comfortable with what they are seeing. Although Ruto seems to have accepted that outcome reluctantly. .

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Re: Guardian Article on Afraha Pact
« Reply #7 on Dec 5, 2012, 7:59am »

Dec 5, 2012 7:59:45 GMT 3 emali said:

Reading that article you can just see the reporter with a WTF look on her face...like most of us but their are many reasons for such a ticket to actually materialize the real problem is apathy...ultimately most people don’t care & those who do in a political sense, those who actually go and register for elections & vote are very few (percentage wise)...and mainly concentrated between the GEMA/Kalenjin/Kamba/Luo communities...

If actual votes matched the census proportionally (like most of the rest of the world) you would see a very different picture...the politicians obviously know this and do whatever they want...

Uhuruto are already in you would be deluded to think otherwise...only the Courts/Kibaki can stop them not the ballot...

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The Ruto Factor.
« Thread Started on Dec 6, 2012, 7:58pm »

Dec 6, 2012 19:58:11 GMT 3 Daktari wa makazi said:

When Raila and Ruto fell apart, I was demonized because I said Ruto would hold the key to the presidency. My then conviction led me to be sent to Siberia, left in the cold. Now, the facts on the ground stand a testimony to my belief.

The elections are sigh, and things are shaping up, it is only fair I lay across my premonitions on this man, Ruto. Many seem to squarely focus on the ICC trial, I fear the fact that Ruto is a suspect has clouded their vision of him. Instead, I acknowledge he is a suspect, and if found guilty, he may not be able to the witness many sunsets in Rift Valley. But, that is a bridge to cross at that time, not now. Having removed the ICC trials lens, I must analysis the significance Ruto brings to the elections.

Raila, Musyoka have, in vain, all courted Ruto – only for Uhuru to succeed. The two underscore how Ruto’s emerging image as the kingmaker in next year’s elections, by virtue of his popularity in the populous Rift Valley, is shaping the presidential campaigns. It will certainly be two horses – that is clear, but the horse with the highest number at the moment seem to be TNA/URP.

The last census ranked the Kalenjin — a conglomeration of 11 ethnic groups — as Kenya’s third largest community after the Kikuyu and the Luhya. However, in terms of voting patterns, the Kalenjin are the second biggest constituency after the Kikuyu. Look at the 2007 figures and you will see a region, which a serious presidential candidate will ignore at his or her own peril.

Raila knows that the Kalenjin contributed about 1.5 million votes to his presidential bid in 2007. Ruto is particularly emboldened by these numbers, as has laid out an ambitious plan to bag a majority of parliamentary seats in the coming election. And with the approval of new boundaries, the region will have 75 elected MPs, up from the current 49. Members of Ruto’s community occupy most of these constituencies. The strategy is for Ruto to first consolidate the Kalenjin Rift Valley vote and then reach out to the small communities mostly pastoralists. It is on that basis, that you see Ruto surrounding himself with a Somali, Turkana and Maasai leaders. it is not for show, but for a reason. Ruto is also banking on the support of the Turkana with seven seats, North Eastern with 21, Samburu, Upper Eastern (Isiolo, Marsabit, Moyale), sections of the Coast and some Maa constituencies like Narok South, West and Emurua Dikirr carved out of Kilgoris. Members of the populous Kipsigis sub-tribe of the Kalenjin predominantly occupy the latter three constituencies. Pastoralist communities occupy more than 70 per cent of the country and that their populations combined beat any alliance of big communities. An important fact is that Ruto knows that Raila's relationship with the majority Somalis is weak - Raila could not even get his man to win Kamkunji seat. The same could be said about the Masais. There is a room to manoeuvre, there.

And in a race in which one must garner 25 per cent of votes in at least 24 counties besides bagging more than 50 per cent of the votes cast, Ruto also has support in seven counties occupied by his Kalenjin community. They are West Pokot, Elgeyo Marakwet, Uasin Gishu, Nandi, Baringo, Kericho and Bomet. None of the other aspirants enjoys this advantage.

Last, one must acknowledge the man's abilities. Ruto charisma, articulation, hardwork and ambitious are an asset. So intensely has Ruto captured the imagination of the country that veteran journalist Philip Ochieng has coined the term “rutolitics” to refer to “whatever masquerades as politics in Kenya”. Ruto’s use of symbolism has served him well. Thus his famous cap with the country’s national colours mark him out. They say Politics is about symbolism and branding - Ruto must have taken that assiduously.
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Re: TNA/URP Coalition: When Desperation Sets In
« Reply #10 on Dec 5, 2012, 12:33am »

Dec 5, 2012 0:33:54 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Dec 4, 2012 21:27:49 GMT 3 mugabe said:

;D ;D



mwalimumtukutu

after today's developments better go back to teacher training college. It is typical of you to mistake wishful thinking for analysis.
Nereah,

Mugabe or is it Nereah?

If you had been faithfully following jukwaa you could have already known that I have dismissed the cord coalition as a coalition of free loaders with nothing that would pull Raila from the hole that he dug himself in. Watch this space.

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Why Ruto will be a major player in 2012
« Thread Started on Sept 14, 2010, 4:29pm »

Sept 14, 2010 16:29:35 GMT 3 tactician said:

Why Ruto will be a major player in 2012
By MAKAU MUTUA
Posted Saturday, September 11 2010 at 11:47

In Summary

Votepower: Mr Ruto knows that he sits atop a treasure trove of Kalenjin votes

The Kenyan state does not do well without a “villain”. The colonialists had Dedan Kimathi. Mzee Jomo Kenyatta was dogged by J.M. Kariuki and Jaramogi Oginga Odinga. President Daniel arap Moi was harassed by many opponents among them Raila Odinga, Paul Muite, Willy Mutunga, and an army of Young Turks.

President Mwai Kibaki had to contend with Mr Odinga until the Constitution brought them together.

But Mr Odinga, the long-term opposition doyen, is now an “insider”.

My crystal ball tells me that Higher Education minister William Ruto is Kenya’s next “villain”. He is the next anti-Raila “Raila”.

Give the devil his due. Except Mr Odinga and Githugu MP Martha Karua, none of those seeking the presidency has more guts than Mr Ruto.

He may have an edge over the other two. He is cold-hearted and utterly sure of himself.

Unlike Mr Odinga and Ms Karua, Mr Ruto cannot be accused of being a democrat. He has spent his adult life subverting the democratic project.

But he cloaks himself in the language of democracy better than any of his opponents.

He has more oomph than Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta. He will be a major player in 2012.

The run for State House is not for the faint-hearted, or the weak-kneed. One must have a killer’s instinct.

Or, like President Kibaki and Nikita Khrushchev, the late Soviet leader, be supremely cunning. Unlike his competitors, Mr Ruto is both cunning and ruthless.

He is a rare combination of Mr Kibaki and Mr Khrushchev. It helps to be a spiritual or religious zealot. Mr Khrushchev was a sworn atheist, while Mr Kibaki is a devout Catholic. Mr Ruto is a religious Christian fundamentalist, a faith he shares with Mr Musyoka.

But unlike Mr Musyoka, Mr Ruto treats religion as his servant, not master. Everything starts and ends with Mr Ruto. He is totally self-absorbed.

Mr Ruto is the alpha and omega of his universe. This dedication to self -- the “I, me, and myself” philosophy -- is the hallmark of highly successful politicians. It is the “it” that separates mere mortals from the “also-rans”.

I have concluded that Mr Ruto possesses the “it”. I had been reluctant to do so because Mr Ruto is obnoxious. Even when he makes a brilliant point, I want to disagree with him because of the smirk on his face. He is not endearing. Nor is he cuddly.

But by dint of sheer persistence, he has developed a cult following. There are “Ruto-nuts” – fanatics – who would do anything for the man. Only Mr Odinga outranks him in the number of Kenyans who would follow him off a cliff.

My point is that Mr Ruto is not of the “middling” sort. He has a messianic complex born of service to self and to Jesus. He can go toe to toe, mano-a-mano, with the best of them.

He politically vanquished former President Daniel arap Moi and forced the former head of state to follow him among the Kalenjin.

That was a tall order given Mr Moi’s lore among the Kalenjin and his enormous wealth.

This was an amazing feat by Mr Ruto when you consider that the entire Kalenjin elite – including himself – are Mr Moi’s handiwork.
Without Mr Moi, the entire Kalenjin elite would not exist. But Mr Ruto bid his time and, like a cobra, struck Mr Moi at the right time.

He exploited Mr Moi’s coziness to President Kibaki and the Kikuyu elite to discredit him among the Kalenjin.

In 2007, Mr Ruto saw his opening and threw his weight behind Mr Odinga and ODM. This is how he “politically finished” Mr Moi and his sons.

No sooner had Mr Ruto buried Mr Moi than he turned his sword on Mr Odinga.

He knows that he sits comfortably atop a treasure trove of Kalenjin votes. Mr Ruto believes that it was Kalenjin votes and blood that brought Mr Odinga within a whisker of State House.

But Mr Odinga is having none of it, and has called Mr Ruto’s bluff. Not to be outflanked, Mr Ruto has courted Mr Musyoka and Mr Kenyatta to form the KKK alliance.

Given Kenya’s tribal arithmetic, Mr Ruto believes that one of the KKK trio – and not Mr Odinga – will end up in State House in 2012.
Is Mr Ruto right, or is he hallucinating? I do not believe that Mr Ruto is completely in “la la” land.

We know that a solid KKK bloc would be nearly impossible to beat at the polls. The only question is who the bloc’s flag bearer would be. Mr Kenyatta is out because a Kikuyu is not going to sell in 2012.

This pits Mr Musyoka against Mr Ruto. Of the two, I like Mr Ruto’s chances. This is why. Mr Ruto is more likely to cut a deal with Mr Kenyatta as his running mate because of the size of the Kikuyu vote. Mr Ruto can promise the Kikuyu peace in the Rift Valley if Mr Kenyatta backs him.

Both he and Mr Kenyatta may find solidarity because Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, may come calling. Misery loves company.

Mr Musyoka is going to be the odd man out. He could join the Ruto-Kenyatta bandwagon, go it alone, or go back to Mr Odinga. Mr Ruto played kingmaker to Mr Odinga in 2007.

But he did so with an eye for the top seat, not to become a perpetual kingmaker. That’s why he may go for the whole kit and caboodle in 2012.

Makau Mutua is Dean and SUNY Distinguished Professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo Law School and Chair of the KHRC

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Re: Why Ruto will be a major player in 2012
« Reply #2 on Sept 14, 2010, 6:42pm »

Sept 14, 2010 18:42:24 GMT 3 Horth said:

Phil,

People follow power or the illusion of power. Moi didn't have it in 2002 as he was stepping down and 2007 as he was a has-been. Ruto had it in 2007 by following Raila and he has it now with the promise of running for PORK in 2012.

They'll follow him, don't worry. You say, "BRING IT ON." I say, "Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it."

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Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila
« Reply #3 on Feb 26, 2013, 2:22pm »

Feb 26, 2013 14:22:10 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Guys ,
This is now becoming desperate Sang is not a politician nor a political player and doesnt have command over the Riftvalley electorate and thus cannot influence any voting patern in that region.Heck If former President Moi tried and failed in 2007 and is failing as we speak what about Sang? .

CORD/ODM tried to use Henry Kosgey (a seasoned politician ) and Sally Kosgei () but it did not bore fruits and actually both of them are in their political death beds and for this reason they are listed as party nominees back to parliament as its evident they wont make it back during the elections ,same with Franklin Bett he had to actually give up politics not to mention the various Mps and politicians who defected from ODM to URP aka the Labosos and Beatrice Kones.

Sang goes ahead and says that only a non Kalenjin or non Kikuyu President will bring peace in RIftvalley, this is misguided as we have witnessed ourselves that the political partnership between the two communities in the last 5 years or so has averted violence and displacements which were a routine thing especially during the electioneering period since the introduction of multi-partysim . What now needs to be looked at are long-term solutions to make sure the peace in that region is long lasting with land issue being a major player and the Jubilee coalition under its manifesto has solutions to the land issue and once the land issue is resolved it will never be used by politicians to incite wananchi to fight each other as we witnessed in 2007.

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Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila
« Reply #15 on Feb 26, 2013, 6:12pm »

Feb 26, 2013 18:12:37 GMT 3 mwalimumkuu said:

Feb 26, 2013 17:54:30 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

Here are some random, possibly even useless ramblings gathered from the streets of Nairobi earlier this February 26th afternoon:

I was hanging out around Kimathi Street near the statue. I suddenly saw one of my activist friends, Ms. Flora K, who emanates from the Meru region. I casually mentioned the Sang breaking story.

She told me she had just come back to Nairobi from somewhere in the former Rift Valley Province where she is a frequent visitor.

She asked me, "Do you know what our sisters and brothers from the region are saying?"

I shook my head, befuddled.

They are saying, "Kichwa ni ya baba, mwili ni URP".[The head is for the father, the body belongs to URP."]

What does that mean, I persisted.

It is a coded way of saying, URP will sweep the Governor, Senator, National Assembly, Women Rep and Ward Rep slots. But they are voting in Raila Odinga as the fourth President.

Flora, by the way, is a die hard, hard core CORD flag waver.

Make of the above what you will.

Onyango Oloo

Hahahaaa OO, whats your take on that? Did you buy the story? This is a campaign strategy that CORD has tried to adopt after it became very clear to them URP has left no space for anyone, not even KANU. Unfortunately for them, it is not flying. You see, the problem in RV is not ODM or CORD, NO. It is Raila Odinga the man, full stop. No one trusts him, no one wants to repeat the mistake of 07.

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Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila
« Reply #14 on Feb 26, 2013, 6:09pm »

Feb 26, 2013 18:09:59 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Feb 26, 2013 17:54:30 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

Here are some random, possibly even useless ramblings gathered from the streets of Nairobi earlier this February 26th afternoon:

I was hanging out around Kimathi Street near the statue. I suddenly saw one of my activist friends, Ms. Flora K, who emanates from the Meru region. I casually mentioned the Sang breaking story.

She told me she had just come back to Nairobi from somewhere in the former Rift Valley Province where she is a frequent visitor.

She asked me, "Do you know what our sisters and brothers from the region are saying?"

I shook my head, befuddled.

They are saying, "Kichwa ni ya baba, mwili ni URP".[The head is for the father, the body belongs to URP."]

What does that mean, I persisted.

It is a coded way of saying, URP will sweep the Governor, Senator, National Assembly, Women Rep and Ward Rep slots. But they are voting in Raila Odinga as the fourth President.

Flora, by the way, is a die hard, hard core CORD flag waver.

Make of the above what you will.

Onyango Oloo

Oloo,
This is a propaganda which has been peddled for a minute now . I heard it here in Nairobi in a local pub once the Jubilee alliance was unveiled. It was being peddled by an ODM supporter who does not come from Riftvalley region but boasts of frequently visiting that area , this is what he had to say "Wanasema - Miguu mpaka shingo ni URP lakini kichwa watafikiria na Kichwa "

Met him on the same spot once again a couple days ago and asked him on any update of R-valley politics this is what he had to say -Nimechoka nahizi siasa tungojee tarehe tano -I assented with him and tossed for Mar 04 .Likewise I hope we will all be jubilant when results start trickling in .

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Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila
« Reply #27 on Feb 27, 2013, 10:35am

Feb 27, 2013 10:35:00 GMT 3 deyiengs said:

Feb 27, 2013 9:13:49 GMT 3 phil said:

Up to this moment, KASS FM are buying time. They have not aired that Arap Sang clip that is spreading like wildfire through social media to Kalenjin Counties and the rest of the country.

Uhuru and Ruto are now unmasked by a fellow ICC indictee.

True Phil,

Even the Hard-copy of the Standard ignored this story. They ran the web copy but it did not see the printing press partly because the message had not been played yet and that it came for the PMPS.

I don't think anything will change the Kalenjin's mind. they're a gone case and CORD should forget about their votes. There's no need for these excitements here. Lots of wishful thinkers are wasting their time here.

Uhuru calculated his moves well and he'll get the Kalenjin backing to the last man. Ruto had no option but to play second feedle because his lawyers insisted he had to be on the ballot to have any chance of throwing the spanner into the works at the ICC. He then cleverly convinced his folks to back Ouru when Raila was busy dining with Kibaki trying to please the white man.

That's the bitter truth that most folks here will not want to hear. No need to cheat yourself here that Kichwa cha Ralila na mwili ni Ruto. no need.

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Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila
« Reply #29 on Feb 27, 2013, 11:14am »

Feb 27, 2013 11:14:51 GMT 3 nowayhaha said:

Feb 27, 2013 10:35:00 GMT 3 deyiengs said:

True Phil,

Even the Hard-copy of the Standard ignored this story. They ran the web copy but it did not see the printing press partly because the message had not been played yet and that it came for the PMPS.

I don't think anything will change the Kalenjin's mind. they're a gone case and CORD should forget about their votes. There's no need for these excitements here. Lots of wishful thinkers are wasting their time here.

Uhuru calculated his moves well and he'll get the Kalenjin backing to the last man. Ruto had no option but to play second feedle because his lawyers insisted he had to be on the ballot to have any chance of throwing the spanner into the works at the ICC. He then cleverly convinced his folks to back Ouru when Raila was busy dining with Kibaki trying to please the white man.

That's the bitter truth that most folks here will not want to hear. No need to cheat yourself here that Kichwa cha Ralila na mwili ni Ruto. no need.

One thing for sure is that the Lower Eastern voters aka Makueni , Machakos and Kitui Counties will vote Raila to the last man not because they like him or they like his policies No because they think they will get the Deputy Presidential post same reason why the people of Riftvalley will vote for Uhuru to the last man now also add to the fact that Raila betrayed them and their leaders.

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Re: Kalonzo: Is this man delivering??
« Reply #1 on Feb 28, 2013, 4:53pm »

Feb 28, 2013 16:53:17 GMT 3 @roughrider said:

Feb 28, 2013 16:22:27 GMT 3 kamalet said:

There have been widespread rumours that Kambas are not supportive of CORD and I have been ignoring these as Jubilee Propaganda. Then there was talk of Kalonzo doing a last minute Melon change which he was forced to deny in Garissa.

But I have just watched the 4 o'clock news and they were covering the political push in Kitui and it was very strange how the public interviewed were responding:

1st Respondent: Huku tunachagua watu si chama

2nd Respondent: Hapa tutachagua Musila na (wiper guy) and he stopped there

3rd Respondent: Hii ni ngome ya jubilee

Curiously no one is talking about the top seat and I wondered then if the 'muthoniwa' story is true.

Perhaps I should dismiss this story having been pushed by NTV which some people here believe is the 'other' mouthpiece of Jubilee. But all I can say was that I was really surprised by the public reactions in Kitui!

Folks, I am in Machakos and the place is fully CORDED! I can tell you Alfred Mutua is already the new governor hapa na kura za Raila are overflowing.

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noway

Just curious je unfanya kazi lolote. Yo seem to have a lot of idle moments

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Mar 11, 2013 17:36:07 GMT 3 mugabe said:

noway

Just curious je unfanya kazi lolote. ...

Have some kindness on our Kiswahili.

[mwalimumkuu]

Nowayhaha,

Not to blow own trumpet, but there is a difference in being involved in real work on the ground and relying on 'reliable' sources.

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Re: nyanza revolt against raila, really?
« Reply #1 on Jan 19, 2013, 4:50pm »

Jan 19, 2013 16:50:16 GMT 3 mzee said:

All I can say that those who wish to see Raila Odinga aka Agwambo finished in Nyanza and Kenya are wasting their time.

That some aspirants have been shouting at the top of their voices that unless they are given the ticket they wont support RAO is a big joke that will end come next week. Watch this space.

We only know two Odingas who have shaped Kenya ie RAO and Jaramogi, thats why they are "worshiped" in the WHOLE of kenya.

To pretend that the defeat of Oburu is also the defeat of Raila is to delude oneself.

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