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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Mar 17, 2013 13:56:05 GMT 3
As expected, you two are taking sides.
Good for you.
No one insults my mother and gets away with it.
KI*HII with Aids did and get told he is a KI*HI with Aids.
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 18, 2013 3:03:14 GMT 3
[You are a KI*HII with AIDS. As I said before, the gods must have screwed you big. You have nothing to say, left to be the fool with Aids that you are talking to yourself. When it rains, it pours. Uhuru and Ruto again screwed your AID infested self. Screwed KI*HII boy. For your information I insult you - not your family. Your are KI*HI with AIDS. Getting through your KI*HI Aid infested head of yours, my mother is dead - I know you pathetic scum sleep with corpses, try your luck somewhere else - AID INFESTED SCUM. Nothing is worse that a You are a KI*HII with AIDS. As I said before, the gods must have screwed you big. You have nothing to say, left as to be the fool with Aids that you are talking to yourself.
When it rains, it pours.
Uhuru and Ruto again screwed your AID infested self. They screwed KI*HII Aids Infected boy all over again and again. In 2002, in 2007, in 2013. Aid infected KI*HI boy.
For your information my mother is dead - I know you pathetic scum sleeping with corpses, try your luck somewhere else - AID INFESTED SCUM.
Nothing is worse that a KI*HI WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS[ KI*HII WITH AIDS WITH AIDS. KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS KI*HII WITH AIDS[ KI*HII WITH AIDS Sadik: For the most part, people don't come to Jukwaa to read our little exchanges. So, please, how about we leave it there and return to the real issues. Asante sana. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 18, 2013 4:44:42 GMT 3
Oloo,
The vile from Sadik here is reprehensible. It is a complete shame to the board of which I have been a member for 7 years. Is this what Jukwaa has come to? I had to log in just to protest. I hope you don't mind. I am completely disgusted.
Thank you.
adongo
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Post by 50cents on Mar 18, 2013 5:52:03 GMT 3
As expected, you two are taking sides. Good for you. No one insults my mother and gets away with it. KI*HII with Aids did and get told he is a KI*HI with Aids. Oohhh no!!!! |
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Post by 50cents on Mar 18, 2013 5:54:01 GMT 3
Oloo,The vile from Sadik here is reprehensible. It is a complete shame to the board of which I have been a member for 7 years. Is this what Jukwaa has come to? I had to log in just to protest. I hope you don't mind. I am completely disgusted. Thank you. adongo Cant blame you for leaving the board. Its gone to the dogs. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 18, 2013 8:55:38 GMT 3
Oloo,The vile from Sadik here is reprehensible. It is a complete shame to the board of which I have been a member for 7 years. Is this what Jukwaa has come to? I had to log in just to protest. I hope you don't mind. I am completely disgusted. Thank you. adongo Cant blame you for leaving the board. Its gone to the dogs. What exactly do you mean by 'leaving the board'? Anyways, I think Sadik crossed the line. I know Otish can be an irritant at times, but it shouldn't go that far. |
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Post by podp on Mar 18, 2013 17:25:23 GMT 3
Witnesses were either killed, were bribed or had died. Can we therefore conclude that ICC Witness Protection is useless? That.s a good question but difficult to answer. I believe the ICC's witness protection programme has some serious weaknesses. On the other hand, the Kenyan situation is quite unique in the sense that the accused remain free and are able to wield the power and money they have to intimidate friends and relatives who have remained behind. It is probably not too difficult to establish where witnesses have been relocated to. The situation of relocated witnesses has often been depicted as living a life of luxury in rich countries. That is far from the truth. More often than not they find it difficult to make ends meet in an alien environment. Some will have given up their jobs and careers in Kenya but have skills and knowledge that their temporary country does not need or does not value. After one or two years abroad doubt may start setting in whether they have done the right thing for themselves, for themselves and their relatives back home. And then, all of a sudden two of the accused become President elect and Vice President elect of Kenya. They wield even more power. That must is another factor witnesses have to cope with. The trouble is that since early January when the deadline for disclosure of witnesses to the defense lapsed (except for a few cases) the identities and statements of witnesses were disclosed to the defense and thus to the accused. The witnesses now have to factor in renewed efforts by proxies of the accused to approach relatives who have remained behind. What does one do under such circumstances? Can one expect that each and every witness is prepared to withstand the enormous pressure? They are human beings.... The real question should be and it has been posed here before, is why the prosecutor has not taken on some of those who have engaged in the crime of perverting the course of justice by threatening and intimidating witnesses. If she does not charge some of these folks she can rest assured that the intimidation and threats will get worse. If no one is charged it is clear for everyone to see that intimidation works.... “I have never personally visited any of the homes of William Ruto and I did not witness any event and cannot vouch for the truth or otherwise of any allegation that has been made or attributed to me against him,” said the witness in the affidavit. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000079593&story_title=Kenya-ICC-witness-against-Ruto-steps-down |
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 18, 2013 20:51:50 GMT 3
The "eating" potential here is enormous. I won't be surprised if other witnesses, especially the ones who are still in Kenya, decided to grab. Incidentally, at about the same time the witness claims to have "asked" to be returned to Kenya, there was another story that made headlines: allafrica.com/stories/201211180084.htmlOne problem, though: the court seems set (looking at other cases) on making an example on the matter of perjury, and it is not clear that these people are thinking post 2018 (if the election outcome is upheld). In a current case in which the OTP will most likely be charging its own (former) witness, the lying actually took place several years ago. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 18, 2013 21:54:25 GMT 3
Muthaura is now a free man a majority decision has today ruled.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 18, 2013 22:00:06 GMT 3
The "eating" potential here is enormous. I won't be surprised if other witnesses, especially the ones who are still in Kenya, decided to grab. Incidentally, at about the same time the witness claims to have "asked" to be returned to Kenya, there was another story that made headlines: allafrica.com/stories/201211180084.htmlOne problem, though: the court seems set (looking at other cases) on making an example on the matter of perjury, and it is not clear that these people are thinking post 2018 (if the election outcome is upheld). In a current case in which the OTP will most likely be charging its own (former) witness, the lying actually took place several years ago. Otishotish How do you perjure yourself if you've not testified in court? Lying in a statement cannot be a crime and can only apply if it was a sworn statement where the crime is under the statutory oaths act.....and not sure if this applies within the Rome statute. Guys running away from their evidence on the grounds that they were enticed to lie or give evidence is more of a problem for the investigator and prosecutor than it is for the witness. Suggestions of bribes to witness whilst these can be made it can only be sustained if the witness is willing to testify that he had been bribed....without it Bensouda has little room to wriggle in. |
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Post by einstein on Mar 19, 2013 9:38:09 GMT 3
Ummm, kill all di white people but give I dea money first because dey all hate di black African people and always wanta take dem to da Hague!! But waita minute, I wanta go to da Hague miself voluntarily before mi African brodas kill I quick! You know, I man I Jah soldier! So, USA da land of all da possibilities and da human rights, can you please give I a lift to da Hague in da Nederlands so I can escape death in da hands of mi own African brodas?! I don't know why most of mi African brodas don't wanta go dea. It is da best place to be. In fact it is heaven on di earth if I tink of what dis mi brodas here in Africa wanta do wit I. Mr. US Ambassador, please take I to da Hague real quick! I know you are not a signatory to dat beautiful treaty, but I don't give a damnshit! Just take I dea now now, here here!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D! Wanted DR Congo rebel surrenders to US embassy in Kigali PHOTO | LIONEL HEALING | FILE A file picture taken on January 24, 2009 in Rutshuru, 75kms north of the provincial capital Goma, shows Democratic Republic of Congo rebel Bosco Ntaganda standing with fellow officers following a meeting to discuss a joint operation which aims to root out Rwandan Hutu rebels from the Democratic Force for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR). Ntaganda, wanted by the International Criminal Court for a string of atrocities, has surrendered to the US embassy in Kigali, Rwanda's foreign minister said on March 18, 2013. AFPKIGALIDemocratic Republic of Congo rebel Bosco Ntaganda, wanted by the International Criminal Court for a string of alleged atrocities, has surrendered to the US embassy in Kigali, US and Rwandan officials said Monday. Ntaganda asked to be sent to the ICC, the world's permanent independent war crimes court, said US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. "I can confirm that Bosco Ntaganda... walked into the US embassy in Kigali this morning. He specifically asked to be transferred to the ICC in The Hague," she told reporters in Washington. Nuland's comments confirm an earlier statement by Rwandan Foreign Minister Louise Mushikiwabo that the rebel general had "presented himself" at the US embassy in Rwanda's capital. Nuland said that Washington was in contact with the ICC and the Rwandan government, adding that the United States "strongly (supports) the ICC and their investigation on the atrocities committed in the DRC". DR Congo government spokesman Lambert Mende said Sunday that Ntaganda had fled to neighbouring Rwanda, which has been accused by Kinshasa and the United Nations of masterminding, arming and even commanding M23 rebels in resource-rich east of the vast country. Ntaganda, a former general nicknamed "The Terminator" and widely seen as the instigator of the M23 group's rebellion against Kinshasa last year, is wanted by the ICC on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity including rape, murder and recruiting child soldiers. Neither Rwanda nor the United States are signatories to The Hague-based ICC's founding document, the Rome Statute, and therefore would not be obliged to hand Ntaganda over to the tribunal. However, his presence in the embassy raises thorny diplomatic issues for both Washington and Kigali. Kinshasa earlier demanded that Kigali refuse to give asylum to the Rwandan-born Ntaganda. ICC spokesman Fadi el-Abdallah told AFP late Monday that the court was trying to confirm Ntaganda's surrender. "If this information is confirmed, the court will make the necessary arrangements for the transfer of Ntaganda to The Hague," he said, adding that "nothing prevents a state which is not a signatory of the Rome Statute from cooperating with the court on a voluntary basis." ........................................................................................................................................ www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/DR-Congo-rebel-surrenders-to-US-embassy/-/1066/1724064/-/jrg3nlz/-/index.html |
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Post by einstein on Mar 21, 2013 18:11:25 GMT 3
Now, this is t he real Njamba, not some coward wannabe Muthamaki- and Hustler-warlords in Kenya masquerading as President- and Deputy President-elect! He man here is a real warlord and is ready to face the lions in the den! Where are our two crybabies?! DR Congo warlord 'to be taken to The Hague within days' Gen Ntaganda, who is wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, ‘specifically’ asks to be taken to The Hague. Picture: AFP / File PARIS, Congolese warlord Bosco Ntaganda, who turned himself in at the US embassy in Rwanda for extradition to the International Criminal Court, will be transferred to The Hague within days, the court's chief prosecutor said Wednesday. "We are working very closely with those who can help us to ensure he's transferred in the shortest possible time," said ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda. She estimated he would be brought to The Hague within "a couple of days" to face charges for using child soldiers, keeping women as sex slaves and participating in the murder of at least 800 people in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo between 2002 and 2003. The ICC specifically charged Ntaganda with war crimes, crimes against humanity in the Ituri region. "Once he has been transferred to The Hague there will be a first hearing," Bensouda told reporters in Paris. "Judges will set a date for the confirmation of the charges. In my experience this may take three months." ICC envoys are travelling to Rwanda to collect the former warlord in the capital Kigali, a top US diplomat said earlier. Ntaganda surprised US embassy staff in Kigali on Monday when he walked in off the street and asked for help in reaching the ICC. "Officials from the ICC are, as we speak, en route to Kigali," the top US diplomat for Africa, Johnnie Carson, told reporters...................................................... "I suspect that he may have come because he knows that we are a symbol of fairness and justice and integrity in this kind of process... but I don't know and can't read his mind," he added.................................................................................................................... www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/DR-Congo-warlord-to-be-taken-to-The-Hague-within-days/-/1066/1726362/-/qm5ky3/-/index.html |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Mar 21, 2013 18:29:34 GMT 3
Oloo,The vile from Sadik here is reprehensible. It is a complete shame to the board of which I have been a member for 7 years. Is this what Jukwaa has come to? I had to log in just to protest. I hope you don't mind. I am completely disgusted. Thank you. adongo That councillor position you were promised as a speech-writer may not, afterall, materialise. ;D Never mind, you can still yap yap in the cyber world on your retirement age! |
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