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Post by kamalet on Mar 11, 2013 14:39:22 GMT 3
The Prosecutor has decided to withdraw the charges against Muthaura!!!
Live proceedings at the ICC.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 14:47:57 GMT 3
The Prosecutor has decided to withdraw the charges against Muthaura!!! Live proceedings at the ICC. Better to focus all energies on the head of the snake, ama? |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 14:49:58 GMT 3
Bensouda: The election of Ruto and Kenyatta have no bearing on my decision and their cases must go on.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 14:52:29 GMT 3
This is proof that the ICC is ultimately a fair court and we should all support the cases against Ruto and Uhuru in the interests of Justice.
It is sad that the Kenya government continues to frustrate this case!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 11, 2013 14:53:20 GMT 3
RR
It is bigger than that. The Chamber is not taking it lightly and has thrown quite some questions back at the prosecutor.
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Post by b6k on Mar 11, 2013 15:17:23 GMT 3
As I once told a former Kenyan citizen, Kenyans have run rings around the ICC. 50% of their cases have collapsed. Now standing by for the plus 1....
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 15:41:39 GMT 3
As I once told a former Kenyan citizen, Kenyans have run rings around the ICC. 50% of their cases have collapsed. Now standing by for the plus 1.... Speak softly, cases could still be brought against any of these gentlemen. In any case you must consider the possibility that all this was prosecution strategy from day one. Think on it. The great danger now faced is witness intimidation and non cooperation. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 11, 2013 15:52:21 GMT 3
As I once told a former Kenyan citizen, Kenyans have run rings around the ICC. 50% of their cases have collapsed. Now standing by for the plus 1.... Speak softly, cases could still be brought against any of these gentlemen. In any case you must consider the possibility that all this was prosecution strategy from day one. Think on it. The great danger now faced is witness intimidation and non cooperation. I am surprised that you guys are still groping at straws hoping this case would hand it the Raila way! Raila is just about to join the dustbins of history where many like him live......Koigi...Matiba....and the departed ones! |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 11, 2013 16:09:34 GMT 3
Speak softly, cases could still be brought against any of these gentlemen. In any case you must consider the possibility that all this was prosecution strategy from day one. Think on it. The great danger now faced is witness intimidation and non cooperation. I am surprised that you guys are still groping at straws hoping this case would hand it the Raila way! Raila is just about to join the dustbins of history where many like him live......Koigi...Matiba....and the departed ones! Now you are simply being stupid. There is no 'raila way' in this matter and it adds no value to the discussion. I just asked you to consider some possibilities and feel sorry for the witnesses and victims who will now be intimidated by 'state power'. Suddenly you are masturbating about Raila and his presumed fate. Please! |
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Post by mank on Mar 11, 2013 17:13:32 GMT 3
The Prosecutor has decided to withdraw the charges against Muthaura!!!
Live proceedings at the ICC. Who is surprised about this? I have not heard the basis of withdrawal, but it has to be because they find that there is nobody to toe the line of the lying #4. NOw Muthaura should go on to sue the prosecution. That's what I would do in his place because I believe Ocampo knew that #4 was lying through his nostrils! |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 17:25:15 GMT 3
www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/reprieve-for-president-elect-uhuru.html Reprieve for President-elect UHURU KENYATTA as MUTHAURA’s case WITNESSES refuse to TALK Monday March 11, 2013 - President–elect Uhuru Kenyatta got a sigh of reprieve on Monday, after charges against his co-perpetrator at the International Criminal Court (ICC) Francis Muthaura, were dropped by the prosecution. ICC Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda reportedly told Trial Chamber V Judges that her office has no intention of proceeding with the case against Muthaura who was charged with heinous crimes against humanity during the 2007-o8 post election violence. “I have decided as of the state of evidence available now, that we have no other choice but to withdraw the charges against Mr Muthaura,” Bensouda told the judges. She said some witnesses were refusing to testify before the court. “The witnesses that had conveyed evidence have been killed or died others refuse to speak to the prosecutor,” Bensouda said. “We do not feel there are reasonable chances of condemnation at the moment of the trial,” she said. However, Pre Trial Chamber V Presiding Judge Kuniko Ozaki told Bensouda that dropping Muthaura’s case will have major consequences on Uhuru Kenyatta’s case as well.
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Post by gemagema on Mar 11, 2013 17:36:14 GMT 3
Speak softly, cases could still be brought against any of these gentlemen. In any case you must consider the possibility that all this was prosecution strategy from day one. Think on it. The great danger now faced is witness intimidation and non cooperation. I am surprised that you guys are still groping at straws hoping this case would hand it the Raila way! Raila is just about to join the dustbins of history where many like him live......Koigi...Matiba....and the departed ones! You are becoming very pathetic...these people you so wish that their history be written in the dustbins are the reason for some of the freedoms you have rather enjoy today. On a lighter note...I think Uhuru's case doesn't hold water anymore...more so after Ali and Muthaura's being discarded. I believe that ICC Prosecution has resorted to holding onto Uhuru's case only for political reasons. Just to humiliate him in the docks...but the guy will get no conviction My worry is Ruto. He could be nailed....! However, he is now in Government, hence could do what his colleagues have done in making sure the witnesses disappear |
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Post by mank on Mar 11, 2013 17:42:06 GMT 3
www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/reprieve-for-president-elect-uhuru.html Reprieve for President-elect UHURU KENYATTA as MUTHAURA’s case WITNESSES refuse to TALK
Monday March 11, 2013 - President–elect Uhuru Kenyatta got a sigh of reprieve on Monday, after charges against his co-perpetrator at the International Criminal Court (ICC) Francis Muthaura, were dropped by the prosecution.
ICC Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda reportedly told Trial Chamber V Judges that her office has no intention of proceeding with the case against Muthaura who was charged with heinous crimes against humanity during the 2007-o8 post election violence.
“I have decided as of the state of evidence available now, that we have no other choice but to withdraw the charges against Mr Muthaura,” Bensouda told the judges.
She said some witnesses were refusing to testify before the court.
“The witnesses that had conveyed evidence have been killed or died others refuse to speak to the prosecutor,” Bensouda said.
“We do not feel there are reasonable chances of condemnation at the moment of the trial,” she said.
However, Pre Trial Chamber V Presiding Judge Kuniko Ozaki told Bensouda that dropping Muthaura’s case will have major consequences on Uhuru Kenyatta’s case as well. I think this makes it even more necessary for Muthaura to sue. I am ashamed that there was a time I thought they, the prosecutors, were in search for truth. Even those who want someone crucified just so we can feel good that someone was punished for the PEV must ask themselves why it would be that witnesses in Muthaura case alone are worried about their lives. Anyway, Uhuru is next to be let go. I just wish the lady would be honest as to why she cannot proceed. |
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Post by mugabe on Mar 11, 2013 17:48:20 GMT 3
Kamalet with his obsession with 'Raira'.
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Post by mank on Mar 11, 2013 18:14:23 GMT 3
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Post by kevoh on Mar 11, 2013 19:04:38 GMT 3
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 11, 2013 19:32:32 GMT 3
Mank, very interesting how you singled out his fellow with his lies. The wheels are coming off faster than we thought. |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Mar 11, 2013 20:10:26 GMT 3
I said here that the case against Muthaura was weak and became weaker the moment it become clear a core witness was not reliable as he was not stating truthful testimony.
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Post by mank on Mar 11, 2013 21:38:59 GMT 3
Mank, very interesting how you singled out his fellow with his lies. The wheels are coming off faster than we thought., I would have bet money that the guy was a liar. It was so clear to me. I think I said that somewhere. Now I am asking myself whether he acted alone, or whether it was facilatated cordinated. At the very least, there were people who knew that he was lying, and they did not call him out. |
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Post by vascodagama on Mar 11, 2013 22:24:32 GMT 3
As I once told a former Kenyan citizen, Kenyans have run rings around the ICC. 50% of their cases have collapsed. Now standing by for the plus 1.... Speak softly, cases could still be brought against any of these gentlemen. In any case you must consider the possibility that all this was prosecution strategy from day one. Think on it. The great danger now faced is witness intimidation and non cooperation. Quite possibly, ICC could be considering indicting new parties as a strategy. No point of explaining why at this time .... we could take a hint from MM |
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Post by b6k on Mar 11, 2013 23:24:21 GMT 3
Speak softly, cases could still be brought against any of these gentlemen. In any case you must consider the possibility that all this was prosecution strategy from day one. Think on it. The great danger now faced is witness intimidation and non cooperation. Quite possibly, ICC could be considering indicting new parties as a strategy. No point of explaining why at this time .... we could take a hint from MM , prosecution strategy? I think not. Ocampo went into this whole matter unprepared. He was caught flat-footed when all of the Ocampo 6, to his chagrin, called his bluff & voluntarily presented themselves to the ICC. It's been steadily downhill since then. Unfortunately, Ocampo managed to retire & left poor Ms Bensouda holding the bag. Vascodagama, I know of at least two, soon to be retired, citizens of KE who they can attempt to rope in.... |
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Post by mank on Mar 11, 2013 23:51:03 GMT 3
Quite possibly, ICC could be considering indicting new parties as a strategy. No point of explaining why at this time .... we could take a hint from MM
RR, prosecution strategy? I think not. Ocampo went into this whole matter unprepared. He was caught flat-footed when all of the Ocampo 6, to his chagrin, called his bluff & voluntarily presented themselves to the ICC. It's been steadily downhill since then. Unfortunately, Ocampo managed to retire & left poor Ms Bensouda holding the bag.
Vascodagama, I know of at least two, soon to be retired, citizens of KE who they can attempt to rope in.... I would add that Ocampo found himself holding fabricated evidence, and for reasons unknown to anyone, decided not to come clean with the people. His successor does not seem to be doing it any differently. The casualty, besides PEV victims and Kenyans of goodwill who wish to see the guilty punished, is the ICC itself. The institution, at least through the face of the prosecution team, is coming across as a dishonest bullheaded machinery that does not care about the quality of the "evidence" upon which it holds its suspects on cross hairs. To Ocampo it never mattered that the guy #4 had recanted "evidence" he had given earlier to CIPEV. Neither did it matter that other witnesses who claimed to have been in meetings at which the guy claimed to have witnessed the hatching of a violence plot did not claim to have made similar observations at the meetings. " ... get them pronounced guilty anyhow you can, and tell Kenya's election violence victims that you got them justice." - I imagine that was his internal driving motivation. Now it is in the open! At the beginning of the ICC process, when people alleged that the ICC was playing games with Africa, I was not convinced. Since then I have reached the same conclusion by myself. It was never about justice to PEV victims! I don't know if someone was hired, but I do not doubt that within Kenya an organized group of people found an opportunity to victimize their opponents. It is backfiring thunderously. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 12, 2013 12:27:23 GMT 3
Anyone know where I can get a complete copy of the video recording of the status conference?
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2013 12:07:05 GMT 3
Muthaura press conference live on NTV. QC Khan has come down very hard on civil society for pushing for "heads on a platter" justice in an unfair manner against Muthaura. Civil society will & must remain accountable to the people of KE.
Will look for the YouTube upload later....
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Post by mank on Mar 14, 2013 6:45:02 GMT 3
Muthaura press conference live on NTV. QC Khan has come down very hard on civil society for pushing for "heads on a platter" justice in an unfair manner against Muthaura. Civil society will & must remain accountable to the people of KE.
Will look for the YouTube upload later.... Any sign they plan to sue? |
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