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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 15:56:11 GMT 3
"If he refuses to go (to The Hague), then we have a problem. That means that they do not know the rule of law. You can’t establish a court and refuse to go when it calls you. If he refuses, he won’t set foot here,” Botswana's Foreign Affairs Minister Phandu Skelemani told Mmegi, a Botswana daily. Mr Skeleman said he expected Mr Kenyatta and deputy president- elect William Ruto, who is also facing similar charges, will cooperate with the ICC. www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/-/1066/1719032/-/15ruoym/-/index.html Not all countries in Africa are like Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania and the oriental China.. |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 13, 2013 15:59:20 GMT 3
"If he refuses to go (to The Hague), then we have a problem. That means that they do not know the rule of law. You can’t establish a court and refuse to go when it calls you. If he refuses, he won’t set foot here,” Botswana's Foreign Affairs Minister Phandu Skelemani told Mmegi, a Botswana daily. Mr Skeleman said he expected Mr Kenyatta and deputy president- elect William Ruto, who is also facing similar charges, will cooperate with the ICC. www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/-/1066/1719032/-/15ruoym/-/index.html Not all countries in Africa are like Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania and the oriental China.. Social media has been quite hilarious about this Botswana edict! But out of curiosity who was the last president to visit Botswana and when was that?? |
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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 16:03:51 GMT 3
Kamalet this might spread to other Afican countries in the Southern region and beyond, well as long as he cooperates with Hague he can visit Botswana...By the way, many Kenyans live and work in Botswana
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Post by kamalet on Mar 13, 2013 16:09:24 GMT 3
Kamalet this might spread to other Afican countries in the Southern region and beyond, well as long as he cooperates with Hague he can visit Botswana... Once the big boys South Africa and Nigeria said their bit about Uhuru, any other small african country making similar noise must be seeking to be noticed! |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2013 16:13:37 GMT 3
"If he refuses to go (to The Hague), then we have a problem. That means that they do not know the rule of law. You can’t establish a court and refuse to go when it calls you. If he refuses, he won’t set foot here,” Botswana's Foreign Affairs Minister Phandu Skelemani told Mmegi, a Botswana daily. Mr Skeleman said he expected Mr Kenyatta and deputy president- elect William Ruto, who is also facing similar charges, will cooperate with the ICC. www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/-/1066/1719032/-/15ruoym/-/index.html Not all countries in Africa are like Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania and the oriental China.. If a Foreign Minister from a country like Botswana has CORD/ODM supporters burst with joy -It just goes to show the level of desperation which has hit them - Honestly I pity them and would advice them to let if go -its over. Elections are either won or lost by candidates and as our president elect said in his acceptance speech voters are always the winners. Rather than hope for a miracle , go back to the drawing boards review and reflect why you lost and this might help next time when there is an election as you would come out much more stronger. Meanwhile lets make sure Uhuruto fulfill their promises by keeping them on their toes . |
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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 16:23:18 GMT 3
I do not recall previously any Kenya leader at the presidential level who has experienced such blatant strong worded rejection have you Kamalet?
besides that I see a problem with this tag hanging our president elect and his deputy as an albatross. It will take a lot or PR work to clean up the image of the two...
I am concerned that Bostwana stance may light up a fire that the two don't want as at this moment...
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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 16:31:16 GMT 3
Nowayhaha which CORD supporters are/ is bursting with Joy?... Would you rather we did not discuss the possible consequences of this Bostwana statement? All am saying is this this kind of statement from another country goes further to hurt the already dented image of the two Kenyan ICC indictees..
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Post by joblesscorner on Mar 13, 2013 16:33:49 GMT 3
Foresight (Reporter reincarnate)kweli you need foresight, Botswanians are known to hate other Africans, It is a form called Xenophobia. Over there they call them Makwerekwere. If you have experience white racism, this is is the worst form of racism, your black skinned brother worst form of hatred. The number's of kenyans in Botswana has been declining, for the last 3-5 yrs, they have been slowly leaving. Btw the botswanian economy GDP is half ours at 17 B USD. Comparing Botswana to our Jubilee manifesto, whereby we want a 24hrs economy, There Central Business District closes @ 7pm.Kamalet this might spread to other Afican countries in the Southern region and beyond, well as long as he cooperates with Hague he can visit Botswana...By the way, many Kenyans live and work in Botswana
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 13, 2013 16:39:54 GMT 3
I do not recall previously any Kenya leader at the presidential level who has experienced such blatant strong worded rejection have you Kamalet? besides that I see a problem with this tag hanging our president elect and his deputy as an albatross. It will take a lot or PR work to clean up the image of the two... I am concerned that Bostwana stance may light up a fire that the two don't want as at this moment... The gist of the Botswana's Foreign Affairs Minister whose position is equivalent to our own Sam Ongeri is If President elect and his deputy stop co-operating with ICC . See below the excerpt. " Mr Skeleman said he expected Mr Kenyatta and deputy president- elect William Ruto, who is also facing similar charges, will cooperate with the ICC. " Similarly by hoping that Botswana will be a trend setter on " denouncing " Presidient elect Uhuru and his deputy is just wishful thinking point to note is that we are through with the campaign period where such statements would have "dented" the prospects of a UhuRuto win and coming to think of it If the so called US/UK warning of choice consequence's never did and infact majority of Kenyans went on and elected Uhuruto on Mar 04 as their president and deputy. I dont understand this Hullabaloo from CORD/ODM supporters on the Botswana Foreign affairs Minister statement , how will it assist their course on the petition ? |
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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 16:50:18 GMT 3
Joblesscorner.... You have amused me with that Reporter reincarnate tag... What exactly are you saying? Could it be that, since Bostwanas economy is half ours they have no voice....over this matter? AISH! now you want to silence me too...
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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 17:00:16 GMT 3
We are not discussing the petition here, I am not the president of Botswana neither am I their foreign Minister... This sovereign state said that the two Kenyan indictees will not step into Botswana unless they fulfil certain conditions as stipulated by ICC... I am not dancing on jubilees grave on this thread... Am saying it could hurt their image..
Please wipe your tears and discuss! Look Uhuru can still visit China etc they have larger economies...
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Post by Horth on Mar 13, 2013 17:34:00 GMT 3
Botswana at least shows that they follow the rule of law. We didn't, when we invited Bashier to, of all places, the promulgation of our new constitution yet Kenya was obliged to have placed him under arrest. Update: Botswana minister makes Uhuru ICC U-turn |
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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 18:04:14 GMT 3
With criminal charges pending at The Hague against Kenyatta and designated deputy president William Ruto, analysts see a bumpy road ahead. “ If Kenyatta and Ruto cling to power rather than go to trial, Kenya will be plunged into an international diplomatic crisis which will ultimately lead to the country’s international isolation,” UK-based Damina Advisors, frontier markets specialists, said in a market report released last week. Experts however said that the West’s reaction to Kenya’s election will depend on how individual countries value Kenya’s geographical location.. www.businessdailyafrica.com/Foreign-support-Uhuru-biggest-hurdle/-/539546/1717672/-/tviti7z/-/index.html |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 13, 2013 18:24:29 GMT 3
Heheheheee eti Botswana, where on the map of the world is that?
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 13, 2013 21:15:34 GMT 3
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Post by foresight on Mar 13, 2013 23:24:55 GMT 3
There is this person using handle hi ni nini who says something very profound on that link OO posted... Hininini says...
"It would appear that the uniquely Kenyan practice of tyranny of the numbers continues even in cyberspace. Why are we so fond of mob justice even where intellectual engagement would be the best way to go ?
In my humble view he continues..... " the statement from Botswana is tautological as it does not convey any new position regarding the ICC case in Kenya. As such it does not warrant reactions on such a scale.
Houston...we have a problem! (Mine)
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Post by foresight on Mar 14, 2013 11:21:31 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Mar 14, 2013 11:41:26 GMT 3
Foresight
One of the things that Kenyans have done is use social media as a patriotic move and this has forced several people that wronged Kenyans to withdraw and apologise.
There was the Korean Airways advert that called us primitive that was withdrawn in a day.
There was the apology from CNN when they suggested that violence had started in Nairobi and it was not true.
Perhaps during the elections, it is perhaps the twitter community that had foreign journalist check what they say.
On Botswana, it became the top trending story in a very short while with #KOT (Kenyans on Twitter) having a real go at Botswana and yes it was absolutely hillarious! (one of them said that Who is Botswana, they are landlocked, so Boats-ha-wana!)
It may be an action of patriotism...but my view is that it should be seen for the fun apart from sending a message!
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