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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 19, 2013 9:58:44 GMT 3
Petition puts Raila’s respect at risk, Muslim leaders claim Prime Minister Raila Odinga risks losing the respect of the local and international community, Muslim leaders at the Coast have warned. Kenya Muslims National Advisory Council and Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya said Raila should drop the petition against the declaration of Uhuru Kenyatta as President-elect at the Supreme Court and concede defeat. Speaking at the weekend, Kemnac chairman Sheikh Juma Ngao and CIPK organising secretary Sheikh Khalifa Mohamed said Cord should instead focus on how to join hands with Uhuru work together for the benefit of the country. Sheikh Khalifa said the Cord leaders should guard against their tongues saying they can easily provoke violence amid the tension as the country awaits the verdict of the court. “Before the elections, everyone said they would concede defeat if they lose. Now some people do not want to concede,” Sheikh Khalifa told a press conference at their Mwembe Tayari offices. Cord filed their petition on Saturday that seeks to prove that the elections were marred by irregularities and that Uhuru was unfairly declared winner of the presidential race. Sheikh Ngao yesterday asked the Supreme Court to consider the over 40 million Kenyans who will be affected by their decision. He expressed concern that another general election will be costly for Kenyans and a waste of resources. “The IEBC did a commendable job. But this petition will paint them in bad light. The international observers would have said so if the elections were rigged,” said Sheikh Ngao. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-112550/petition-puts-railas-respect-risk-muslim-leaders-claim |
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Post by einstein on Mar 19, 2013 10:02:31 GMT 3
Go to hell, who cares!!
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 19, 2013 10:26:06 GMT 3
Petition puts Raila’s respect at risk, Muslim leaders claim Prime Minister Raila Odinga risks losing the respect of the local and international community, Muslim leaders at the Coast have warned. Kenya Muslims National Advisory Council and Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya said Raila should drop the petition against the declaration of Uhuru Kenyatta as President-elect at the Supreme Court and concede defeat. Speaking at the weekend, Kemnac chairman Sheikh Juma Ngao and CIPK organising secretary Sheikh Khalifa Mohamed said Cord should instead focus on how to join hands with Uhuru work together for the benefit of the country. Sheikh Khalifa said the Cord leaders should guard against their tongues saying they can easily provoke violence amid the tension as the country awaits the verdict of the court. “Before the elections, everyone said they would concede defeat if they lose. Now some people do not want to concede,” Sheikh Khalifa told a press conference at their Mwembe Tayari offices. Cord filed their petition on Saturday that seeks to prove that the elections were marred by irregularities and that Uhuru was unfairly declared winner of the presidential race. Sheikh Ngao yesterday asked the Supreme Court to consider the over 40 million Kenyans who will be affected by their decision. He expressed concern that another general election will be costly for Kenyans and a waste of resources. “The IEBC did a commendable job. But this petition will paint them in bad light. The international observers would have said so if the elections were rigged,” said Sheikh Ngao. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-112550/petition-puts-railas-respect-risk-muslim-leaders-claimStupid, ignorant, ill-informed, ill-advised, ...I can go on but that about sums up what this nonsense is from these so-called leaders who have likely been paid or are prostituting themselves for some goodies in the unlikely event Uhuru becomes president. More than 70% of Coast is with the PM and that will remain so no matter what the few kissing up or already on the other side say. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 19, 2013 10:40:16 GMT 3
Einstein, Kenyans care. History has it that Raila has never conceded in any democratically held elections be it at the party level or at the national level. Let me jog your memory a little bit After the 1992 General elections and after his party candidate who was also his father came in a distant fourth -Raila then the director of elections in FORD-K disputed and rejected the results . He routed the idea on 1 million man match to state house to Matiba but Matiba opted the Courts way. In 1994 during the tussle over FORD -K leadership after having lost to Wamalwa Kijana in a free and fair party elections Raila precipitated a tribal split and left with a sizeable number of Luo Mps to NDP. In 1997 General Elections Raila came in a distant 3rd and there after did a press conference refusing to accept election results and calling for mass action. In the runnup to 2002 G.E. and after dissolving his party NDP to merge with KANU after sensing defeat in vying for the KANU presidential nominee position he refused to accept themode of nomination and left KANU for NARC No need to elaborate how he was a thorn in the flesh in his party NARC from 2003 till 2007 - If this isnt stubbornness then what is ? The most famous refusal to accept Presidential results outcome was ofcourse the 2007 G-E. where he called for Mass action which led to post election violence. In 2013 elections looking at his past experience we were sure and even predicted to that effect that If Raila was beaten by Uhuru he wont concede and boy oh boy did he disappoint ? Further we are predicting that he will refuse to accept Supreme Courts ruling ,dont be blinded by his statements that he will respect and abide by the ruling didnt he talk of the same on IEBC , didnt he make press advertisements saying if beaten he will concede .Raila is on record saying he respects and has confidence with IEBC and its chairman Isaak Hassan before the elections but when he lost the narrative changed , why so ? what is constant is Raila when beaten can never accept to concede in any democratically held elections. |
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Post by toughluck on Mar 19, 2013 10:47:21 GMT 3
From What I have gathered Raila has never gotten any respect from His detractors and i doubt whether it will change any time soon whether he pursues legal means or not
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Post by einstein on Mar 19, 2013 10:49:39 GMT 3
Einstein, Kenyans care. History has it that Raila has never conceded in any democratically held elections be it at the party level or at the national level. Let me jog your memory a little bit After the 1992 General elections and after his party candidate who was also his father came in a distant fourth -Raila then the director of elections in FORD-K disputed and rejected the results . He routed the idea on 1 million man match to state house to Matiba but Matiba opted the Courts way. In 1994 during the tussle over FORD -K leadership after having lost to Wamalwa Kijana in a free and fair party elections Raila precipitated a tribal split and left with a sizeable number of Luo Mps to NDP. In 1997 General Elections Raila came in a distant 3rd and there after did a press conference refusing to accept election results and calling for mass action. In the runnup to 2002 G.E. and after dissolving his party NDP to merge with KANU after sensing defeat in vying for the KANU presidential nominee position he refused to accept themode of nomination and left KANU for NARC No need to elaborate how he was a thorn in the flesh in his party NARC from 2003 till 2007 - If this isnt stubbornness then what is ? The most famous refusal to accept Presidential results outcome was ofcourse the 2007 G-E. where he called for Mass action which led to post election violence. In 2013 elections looking at his past experience we were sure and even predicted to that effect that If Raila was beaten by Uhuru he wont concede and boy oh boy did he disappoint ? Further we are predicting that he will refuse to accept Supreme Courts ruling ,dont be blinded by his statements that he will respect and abide by the ruling didnt he talk of the same on IEBC , didnt he make press advertisements saying if beaten he will concede .Raila is on record saying he respects and has confidence with IEBC and its chairman Isaak Hassan before the elections but when he lost the narrative changed , why so ? what is constant is Raila when beaten can never accept to concede in any democratically held elections. Thanks, but I do not give a shit! |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 19, 2013 11:12:49 GMT 3
Petition puts Raila’s respect at risk, Muslim leaders claim Prime Minister Raila Odinga risks losing the respect of the local and international community, Muslim leaders at the Coast have warned. Kenya Muslims National Advisory Council and Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya said Raila should drop the petition against the declaration of Uhuru Kenyatta as President-elect at the Supreme Court and concede defeat. Speaking at the weekend, Kemnac chairman Sheikh Juma Ngao and CIPK organising secretary Sheikh Khalifa Mohamed said Cord should instead focus on how to join hands with Uhuru work together for the benefit of the country. Sheikh Khalifa said the Cord leaders should guard against their tongues saying they can easily provoke violence amid the tension as the country awaits the verdict of the court. “Before the elections, everyone said they would concede defeat if they lose. Now some people do not want to concede,” Sheikh Khalifa told a press conference at their Mwembe Tayari offices. Cord filed their petition on Saturday that seeks to prove that the elections were marred by irregularities and that Uhuru was unfairly declared winner of the presidential race. Sheikh Ngao yesterday asked the Supreme Court to consider the over 40 million Kenyans who will be affected by their decision. He expressed concern that another general election will be costly for Kenyans and a waste of resources. “The IEBC did a commendable job. But this petition will paint them in bad light. The international observers would have said so if the elections were rigged,” said Sheikh Ngao. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-112550/petition-puts-railas-respect-risk-muslim-leaders-claimStupid, ignorant, ill-informed, ill-advised, ...I can go on but that about sums up what this nonsense is from these so-called leaders who have likely been paid or are prostituting themselves for some goodies in the unlikely event Uhuru becomes president. More than 70% of Coast is with the PM and that will remain so no matter what the few kissing up or already on the other side say. Omwenga when the decision or statements by the various Kenyan groups goes contrary to your wishes then you start throwing abuses and you wash them down as stupid , ignorant , ill-informed , ill advised and whatnot -This clearly explains the intolerance CORD/ODM and its supporters harbor and the reason you refused to concede the election results even after being beaten by more than 800 000 votes . Deputy President elect William Ruto once said that CORD/ODM are good in one thing and that is spewing Propaganda but then again there are limits in e.g. can you prove the leaders have been paid to make such statements ? You claim that its OK with CORD/ODM that 70 % of Coast is on their side . Well do you know for a fact that its the 30 % which made Uhuru Kenyatta to win the elections and become Kenyans President . Fact is If it wasnt for the 30 % Uhuru and Jubilee wouldnt have crossed the 50 +1 % mark, but then again this would be hard for CORD/ODM to decipher and its the reason they lost the election . They thought by winning the provinces they will win the elections . |
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 19, 2013 11:20:32 GMT 3
When it comes to money, there are extremely very few Kenyan individuals I know they can be trusted with. Those two, noway ha ha, wamekula kitu, bar hard physical evidence. This is another phase and strategy which Uhuruto seem to be working hard on! ODMers, beware of Team Uhuru, they are yet to have unleashed the last of their aces.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 19, 2013 11:20:32 GMT 3
From What I have gathered Raila has never gotten any respect from His detractors and i doubt whether it will change any time soon whether he pursues legal means or not Toughluck, Since when did Muslim leaders ,Kenya Muslims National Advisory Council and Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya become Railas detractors ? And if to take and use your logic that majority of the electorate 50.007 % see Raila as a detractor doesnt this say and mean alot . i.e. that they dont want him to become their president. Why then cant he respect the will of Kenyans if he wants to be respected |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 19, 2013 11:25:20 GMT 3
Einstein, Kenyans care. History has it that Raila has never conceded in any democratically held elections be it at the party level or at the national level. Let me jog your memory a little bit After the 1992 General elections and after his party candidate who was also his father came in a distant fourth -Raila then the director of elections in FORD-K disputed and rejected the results . He routed the idea on 1 million man match to state house to Matiba but Matiba opted the Courts way. In 1994 during the tussle over FORD -K leadership after having lost to Wamalwa Kijana in a free and fair party elections Raila precipitated a tribal split and left with a sizeable number of Luo Mps to NDP. In 1997 General Elections Raila came in a distant 3rd and there after did a press conference refusing to accept election results and calling for mass action. In the runnup to 2002 G.E. and after dissolving his party NDP to merge with KANU after sensing defeat in vying for the KANU presidential nominee position he refused to accept themode of nomination and left KANU for NARC No need to elaborate how he was a thorn in the flesh in his party NARC from 2003 till 2007 - If this isnt stubbornness then what is ? The most famous refusal to accept Presidential results outcome was ofcourse the 2007 G-E. where he called for Mass action which led to post election violence. In 2013 elections looking at his past experience we were sure and even predicted to that effect that If Raila was beaten by Uhuru he wont concede and boy oh boy did he disappoint ? Further we are predicting that he will refuse to accept Supreme Courts ruling ,dont be blinded by his statements that he will respect and abide by the ruling didnt he talk of the same on IEBC , didnt he make press advertisements saying if beaten he will concede .Raila is on record saying he respects and has confidence with IEBC and its chairman Isaak Hassan before the elections but when he lost the narrative changed , why so ? what is constant is Raila when beaten can never accept to concede in any democratically held elections. Thanks, but I do not give a shit! Einstein, Welcome , thats you what about the 6.2 million Kenyans who think otherwise ? Have you pondered about that ? |
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Post by einstein on Mar 19, 2013 12:30:10 GMT 3
Thanks, but I do not give a shit! Einstein, Welcome , thats you what about the 6.2 million Kenyans who think otherwise ? Have you pondered about that ? |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 19, 2013 18:03:33 GMT 3
Einstein, Welcome , thats you what about the 6.2 million Kenyans who think otherwise ? Have you pondered about that ? Einstein , As you proceed in you business of not giving a .., some of the Raila associates are a worried lot and are advising him to avoid further embarrassment, Tuesday March 19, 2013 - Friends of Raila (FORA) lobby group have told Prime Minister Raila Odinga to drop his petition, before he is embarrassed by the Supreme Court at the end of the verdict. Speaking to journalists on Monday at a Nairobi hotel, the Director of Mobilisation in FORA Charles Wambugu said CORD lost the election to Jubilee, saying a petition is a waste of time and money since CORD are heavily relying on rumours instead of tangible evidence. He said CORD did not campaign as aggressively as President –elect Uhuru Kenyatta and his Deputy William Ruto who had the energy and resources to oil their campaign machinery to the end. “We could not match Jubilee’s campaign because while we were lobbying for funds, they were traversing the country on a serious vote hunting mission,” Wambugu said. Wambugu said even if there is a run –off the PM will still be defeated since the tribal arithmetic still favours Jubilee Coalition. He urged his boss to concede defeat and work with the new government to avoid further embarrassment! www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/for-turns-against-raila-odinga-and-asks.html |
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Post by mank on Mar 19, 2013 18:42:20 GMT 3
I - s a i d - I - d o - n o t - g i v e - a - s h i t!
Einstein ,
As you proceed in you business of not giving a .., some of the Raila associates are a worried lot and are advising him to avoid further embarrassment,
Tuesday March 19, 2013 - Friends of Raila (FORA) lobby group have told Prime Minister Raila Odinga to drop his petition, before he is embarrassed by the Supreme Court at the end of the verdict.
Speaking to journalists on Monday at a Nairobi hotel, the Director of Mobilisation in FORA Charles Wambugu said CORD lost the election to Jubilee, saying a petition is a waste of time and money since CORD are heavily relying on rumours instead of tangible evidence.
He said CORD did not campaign as aggressively as President –elect Uhuru Kenyatta and his Deputy William Ruto who had the energy and resources to oil their campaign machinery to the end.
“We could not match Jubilee’s campaign because while we were lobbying for funds, they were traversing the country on a serious vote hunting mission,” Wambugu said.
Wambugu said even if there is a run –off the PM will still be defeated since the tribal arithmetic still favours Jubilee Coalition.
He urged his boss to concede defeat and work with the new government to avoid further embarrassment!
www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/for-turns-against-raila-odinga-and-asks.htmlHe has Oraro He has overwhelming evidence He must win if the election is fair How then can he be embarrassed? Are you not surprised that several people who we have at one time or another believed to be intelligent have reduced their means of disagreement to pathetic slurs? What just happened? Watch out and you will hear someone denouncing whoever the FORA to be no friends but impostors. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 19, 2013 19:26:39 GMT 3
When it comes to money, there are extremely very few Kenyan individuals I know they can be trusted with. Those two, noway ha ha, wamekula kitu, bar hard physical evidence. This is another phase and strategy which Uhuruto seem to be working hard on! ODMers, beware of Team Uhuru, they are yet to have unleashed the last of their aces. Not a very good idea to impute such wrong motives on muslim clerics. I have never known any selfless religious leaders than these guys. You may want a rethink ndugu Abdul. |
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 19, 2013 19:57:58 GMT 3
Aha Mwalimu!
Perhaps I should tell you that I am Mombasa born and bred and happen to know the two individuals concerned, their personal history, political thinking and their personalities, to a very good degree! Of course I was not going to simply insinuate unwarranted and unfounded negative assumptions based purely on my 'political instincts' for the sake of political propaganda!
That said, I have surpassed my fears of naively trusting the 'men of the cloth', be they Muslims, Christians or of any other background. Please brother, I plead to you just as well, do not be fooled by their overflowing regalia and seemingly sanitised images with peppered beards or flowing robes, as they present themselves as men and women of purity and utmost innocence.
Not just in Kenya, but perhaps even the world over, amongst such are people of questionable integrity and indeed, just like politicians, they are being driven by their own ultimate secondary motives, running in absolute contradictory paths to their followers', but which many Kenyans naively choose not to see or acknowledge at their own collective peril!
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Post by Horth on Mar 19, 2013 20:06:31 GMT 3
Not a very good idea to impute such wrong motives on muslim clerics. I have never known any selfless religious leaders than these guys. You may want a rethink ndugu Abdul. , Do you recall in 2007, certain Church leaders going to Statehouse during the PEV legitimizing Kibaki's rigging? This while innocent wanainchi were being slaughtered? RAO rightly snubbed them. |
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 19, 2013 20:24:24 GMT 3
Omwenga when the decision or statements by the various Kenyan groups goes contrary to your wishes then you start throwing abuses and you wash them down as stupid , ignorant , ill-informed , ill advised and whatnot -This clearly explains the intolerance CORD/ODM and its supporters harbor and the reason you refused to concede the election results even after being beaten by more than 800 000 votes. Wrong. If anyone or any group issues or makes a statement that makes sense to any objective, neutral person, then I would take it at its face value regardless of whether I agree with it or not. However, if anyone or group issues or makes a statement that does not make sense to any objective, neutral person, then I would point that out and describe it as I see fit, which is not abusing but actually describing that what I believe it is. Thus, when anyone, let alone this group of so-called leaders start payukering that Raila should not exercise his constitutional right--a right among many he and others sacrificed their own lives for us all to enjoy, then whoever that is or whichever that group is is stupid, ill-informed and ill-advised, which is a fact, not an insult or abuse. There is absolutely no reason for this group to get up in the morning and payuka as they have or for anyone payukering in the same manner other than either they have been paid to do so or they're prostituting themselves for some hoped goodies from an hoped Uhuru presidency and this is true even if one might say they are because they were denied their conjugal rights the night before, which can only be an excusable reason for sex maniacs who must have it all the time or they start payukering ovyo ovyo. If we're going to have an honest debate, we must be willing and ready to call a spade a spade and that's what I have done here. I refer you to my comment above. BTW, I would cite Ruto for any serious proposition regarding Cord/ODM. I was actually being conservative the real number is closer to 80% Cord for Coast but that doesn't mean that Jubilee got the 20%. The point is and this is regardless of what the actual number is, there is a vast majority of not just people from the Coast but all over the country who the obviously compromised IEBC tried to disenfranchise but thank God we have a court that can remedy the illegality and to have some paid mouths or otherwise those who couldn't care less about the disenfranchised start talking nonsense that Raila should accept "defeat" and move on, is more so the reason I describe them as I have above. Let me quote a non-Kenyan friend and a doctor who I have shared the petition with what his views are as he shared with me: It is clear that there was rigging, I am not an expert but if your party did not petition the Supreme Court to declare the election invalid, not sure the term the court would use, you would be committing malpractice. I hope the court rules in your favor, as thats what would make sense. Let there be free and fair more importantly no organized, calculated, systemic rigging. To my little mind winning by 0.07 above the required threshold to avoid the run off was the giveaway. How convenient!!!Now, here we have someone not even a Kenyan saying this yet have some of this morons well, some of these people payukering that Raila should not challenge this flagrant rigging. How stupid, ill-informed, and ill-advised! |
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Post by weledi on Mar 20, 2013 7:28:17 GMT 3
He simply needs to accept it. Lets wait and see where his stubbornness will take him. Raila simply lacks proper strategy and makes up for that with controversy and making weird and unfounded statements. The court decision will be made in less than two weeks. Even if we hold a re-run and Cordashians use the same strategy of playing the victims all the time, we will have the same results.
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