Post by nowayhaha on Apr 17, 2013 0:45:22 GMT 3
This is the question ringing in many Kenyan minds after Uhuru Kenyatta was sworn in as the 4th President Of Kenya. While CORD/ODM schemers and supporters are hoping and praying that Uhuru" betrays" Ruto necessitating a fallout or Ruto continues being "ambitious" and goes for the Presidential position come 2017 thus breaks away from the Jubilee coalition. On the other hand Jubilee supporters are crossing their fingers for the coalition to be united and achieve their promises and implement items in their manifestos.
All we have to do is go back to history and how Jubilee came about .Luckily we have reference points and materials right here in Jukwaa.
Did Jubilee plot to gain power during Naivasha Consensus ? Did Jubilee alter the COE constitution to have a strong presidential system rather than a strong parliamentarian system in readiness to take power and lead Kenya ?
Noting that the consensus was being pushed by none other than Uhuru-From PNU and Ruto from ODM with a bit of help from Kalonzos ODM-K going by the banner KKK at that time , Ofcourse this was a game plan and it became clearer later that they were pushing for their position and strategizing for the 2013 (then 2012 ) Presidential elections.
Here are some of the highlights from the Naivasha consensus on items touching on Executive Presidential System
marsgroupkenya.org/pdfs/2010/01/Final_PSC_Review_statement_issued_in_Naivasha_on_January_28th_2010.pdf#6985
Miguna Miguna, wrote a number of opinion articles bitterly denouncing the Naivasha consensus which culminated to the Makau Mutua Vs Miguna battles .
www.kalenjin.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1289:imanyara-and-miguna-on-william-ruto&catid=909:your-letters&Itemid=234
Miguna Miguna Vs Makau Mutua-->http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3902
Miguna Responds to Makau Mutua-->http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3915&page=2
One of Jukwaa members JOB saw consensus for what it was and did a thorough analysis on it not mentioning rather than seeing Ruto crafting his political space he saw him as a sellout
HOW RUTO CHEATED RIFT VALLEY AT NAIVASHA-->http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3825
Here are some highlights
Jubilee had started the journey by using the constitution and quite clearly as early as Mar-2011 we pointed that the upcoming general elections were going to be about Regional Parties comming together to form coalitions and ascend to power.
Phil Mzee & Adongo .
Do you believe what you are writing , that is contrary to what is in the media and on ground.
ODM-Raila is falling into the trap of popularizing UDM as the vehicle for Rift valley politicians come next years elections in "August".
Next years elections will be about regional parties and not national parties and this where ODM-Raila fails to see the light .
We are talking of P.O.R.K here. How do you expect a regional party to produce a president? I think you have misunderstood the whole discussion.
There are as many regional parties in Kenya as there are regions. Dont tell me that they are better off than a national party such as ODM.
The new constitution will re-model the coalition of parties and it will be beneficial for parties to form coalitions during the election run-offs and this means consolidating the regional bloc votes during the initial election.
It is evident no presidential candidate will be able garner the required votes to meet the threshold of becoming the president elect during the first round of the 2012 elections.
Maybe later it will be possible to have national parties once the politics mature or dependent on the outcome of the 2012 elections
After a series of rallies after the ICC appearing of Uhuru and Ruto, realizing that a second round election was not the best thing for them Jubilee took their strategy a notch higher in November 2011 had the legislation amended to have pre-election coalitions(Is this practiced in any other part of the world ?)
www.standardmedia.co.ke/?id=2000041006&cid=4&articleID=2000041006
Its clear that what motivated Jubilee (UhuRuto) to constitutionalize their marriage were the mistakes they learnt from the NARC pre-election MOU and ODM pre-election agreements which lead to a bitter fallout within the parties and eventually the breakaway of the different factions within the party. If the Narcs and ODM pre-election agreements had been covered in the constitution or by a governing law then they would have been fulfilled and there would be no fall-outs attributed to betrayal of the agreements.
With the pre-election coalition agreement deposited already with the registrar and Jubilee having won the presidential elections and acquired majority in both National assembly and Senate it will be hard to negate on the agreement and any idea of that is just wishful thinking and self deceit. This is the reason so far all positions in Jubilee have been distributed according to the agreements Pre-election/Post election
Senate Speaker-URP
Deputy Senate Speaker-TNA
National assembly Speaker- TNA
Deputy National assmbly speaker- URP
Senate Majority Leader-TNA
Senate Deputy Majority Leader-URP
National Assembly Majority leader-URP
etc etc
Another point to note is that since 2002 Uhuru and Ruto have been working together with exception of that period about 5 Months or less 2007 pre-election /post election period . They were both in Kanu and Ruto supported Uhurus presidential bid in 2002 , Ruto was with Uhuru during the Kanu supremacy battles between Uhuru and Ruto and became KANUs Secretary General when Uhuru became the chairman.
For UhuRuto to have another short for the Presidency then they need to deliver on their promises and to do this they need to stick together so that their MPs & senators in their coalition can aslo stick with them and aid in their legislative agenda lest they make the same mistake Raila did and which was a contributing factor of losing the presidential elections.
All we have to do is go back to history and how Jubilee came about .Luckily we have reference points and materials right here in Jukwaa.
Did Jubilee plot to gain power during Naivasha Consensus ? Did Jubilee alter the COE constitution to have a strong presidential system rather than a strong parliamentarian system in readiness to take power and lead Kenya ?
Noting that the consensus was being pushed by none other than Uhuru-From PNU and Ruto from ODM with a bit of help from Kalonzos ODM-K going by the banner KKK at that time , Ofcourse this was a game plan and it became clearer later that they were pushing for their position and strategizing for the 2013 (then 2012 ) Presidential elections.
Here are some of the highlights from the Naivasha consensus on items touching on Executive Presidential System
marsgroupkenya.org/pdfs/2010/01/Final_PSC_Review_statement_issued_in_Naivasha_on_January_28th_2010.pdf#6985
Executive: Presidential System
• Separate Executive and Legislature
• President elected by universal suffrage, 50%+1, 25% in more than half of the counties;
• President serves not more than two five year terms,
• Is not a Member of Parliament.
• Ministers to be from outside Parliament but vetted by Parliament and appointed by the President.
• National executive of the Republic to comprise the President, the Deputy President and the rest of the Cabinet
• No office for Prime Minister
• National executive to reflect the regional and ethnic diversity
• The President to be a symbol ofnational unity-Head of State and Government, theCommander-in-Chief of the Defence Forces
and chairperson to the National Security Council.
• The President not to hold any other State or public office including any elected or appointed office within a political party.
• President to address the opening of each newly elected National Assembly, address a special sitting of Parliament once every year
and may address the National Assembly at any other time;
• President to appoint ministers,deputy ministers high commissioners, ambassadors,and diplomatic and consular re
presentatives with the approval of the National Assembly,but president may dismiss them
• Once every year, the President to submit a report to National Assembly on the progress made in fulfilling the international obligations of the Republic.
• Election of the President to be held separately from the National Assembly elections
• Any eligible voter is qualified to run for Presidency
• Parliament may impeach President
• A Member of Parliament who is appointed as a Minister or Deputy Minister to resign as a Member of Parliament.
• Secretary to the cabinet retained
• Majority and minority leaders to en
joy powers in parliament, equivalent to cabinet ministers
• Appointments to constitutional offices to be confirmed by Parliament
• Parliament to have its own calendar
• Impeachment [on violation of the constitution/criminal/constitutional issues]
• Running mate – if President vacate s office running mate to serve remainder of term,if running mate serves more than half the original term, to be construed as full term
• President to be nominated by a political party or be an independent candidate
• Cabinet of not more than 25 including the President and Vice President
• Not more than two-thirds of Cabinet to be of either gender.
• The Cabinet to reflect the regional diversity of Kenya
• President to have power to establish offices (other than constitutional offices) in the public service
• Prerogative of mercy retained
• Separate Executive and Legislature
• President elected by universal suffrage, 50%+1, 25% in more than half of the counties;
• President serves not more than two five year terms,
• Is not a Member of Parliament.
• Ministers to be from outside Parliament but vetted by Parliament and appointed by the President.
• National executive of the Republic to comprise the President, the Deputy President and the rest of the Cabinet
• No office for Prime Minister
• National executive to reflect the regional and ethnic diversity
• The President to be a symbol ofnational unity-Head of State and Government, theCommander-in-Chief of the Defence Forces
and chairperson to the National Security Council.
• The President not to hold any other State or public office including any elected or appointed office within a political party.
• President to address the opening of each newly elected National Assembly, address a special sitting of Parliament once every year
and may address the National Assembly at any other time;
• President to appoint ministers,deputy ministers high commissioners, ambassadors,and diplomatic and consular re
presentatives with the approval of the National Assembly,but president may dismiss them
• Once every year, the President to submit a report to National Assembly on the progress made in fulfilling the international obligations of the Republic.
• Election of the President to be held separately from the National Assembly elections
• Any eligible voter is qualified to run for Presidency
• Parliament may impeach President
• A Member of Parliament who is appointed as a Minister or Deputy Minister to resign as a Member of Parliament.
• Secretary to the cabinet retained
• Majority and minority leaders to en
joy powers in parliament, equivalent to cabinet ministers
• Appointments to constitutional offices to be confirmed by Parliament
• Parliament to have its own calendar
• Impeachment [on violation of the constitution/criminal/constitutional issues]
• Running mate – if President vacate s office running mate to serve remainder of term,if running mate serves more than half the original term, to be construed as full term
• President to be nominated by a political party or be an independent candidate
• Cabinet of not more than 25 including the President and Vice President
• Not more than two-thirds of Cabinet to be of either gender.
• The Cabinet to reflect the regional diversity of Kenya
• President to have power to establish offices (other than constitutional offices) in the public service
• Prerogative of mercy retained
Miguna Miguna, wrote a number of opinion articles bitterly denouncing the Naivasha consensus which culminated to the Makau Mutua Vs Miguna battles .
www.kalenjin.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1289:imanyara-and-miguna-on-william-ruto&catid=909:your-letters&Itemid=234
Bill is a quintessential performer, but he is certainly lacking in all Goebbels’ three prerequisites. Subconsciously, Bill subscribes to Machiavelli’s teaching that “a prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise.” That’s why he is waffling over the constitution. Before and after the Naivasha retreat, ODM, except Bill, stood firmly on a parliamentary system of government, with well structured three-tier devolution of power and resources. Yet Bill broke ranks with his party and fervently pushed for the creation of an imperial presidency without devolution, checks or balances. He called the imperial presidency the “Naivasha Accord;” an unholy alliance between Bill and Uhuru Kenyatta elements within the coalition.
When most Kenyans and constitutional scholars cried foul over the Naivasha Accord, Bill and his PNU collaborators accused them of being hard-liners that were not willing to “give and take.” When Bill was reminded that ODM’s position was that a pure presidential system was only acceptable if it was integrated within a well-structured and functioning three-tier devolution, with proper checks and balances; Bill threw up a tantrum and threatened to leave ODM for the KKK alliance. Bill claimed that he wasn’t convinced of the role and functions of the regional level of government and could not therefore support a three-tier devolution system of governance
When most Kenyans and constitutional scholars cried foul over the Naivasha Accord, Bill and his PNU collaborators accused them of being hard-liners that were not willing to “give and take.” When Bill was reminded that ODM’s position was that a pure presidential system was only acceptable if it was integrated within a well-structured and functioning three-tier devolution, with proper checks and balances; Bill threw up a tantrum and threatened to leave ODM for the KKK alliance. Bill claimed that he wasn’t convinced of the role and functions of the regional level of government and could not therefore support a three-tier devolution system of governance
Miguna Miguna Vs Makau Mutua-->http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3902
Miguna Responds to Makau Mutua-->http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3915&page=2
One of Jukwaa members JOB saw consensus for what it was and did a thorough analysis on it not mentioning rather than seeing Ruto crafting his political space he saw him as a sellout
HOW RUTO CHEATED RIFT VALLEY AT NAIVASHA-->http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3825
Here are some highlights
EXECUTIVE
To illustrate how divided Rift Valley’s voice was while entering this debate, it is noteworthy that Chepalungu MP, Isaac Ruto, favored a parliamentary system while Agriculture MP,William Ruto, proposed a pure presidential system.
Someone must have been bidding on behalf of external forces and sure, the pure presidential system carried the day
To illustrate how divided Rift Valley’s voice was while entering this debate, it is noteworthy that Chepalungu MP, Isaac Ruto, favored a parliamentary system while Agriculture MP,William Ruto, proposed a pure presidential system.
Someone must have been bidding on behalf of external forces and sure, the pure presidential system carried the day
Jubilee had started the journey by using the constitution and quite clearly as early as Mar-2011 we pointed that the upcoming general elections were going to be about Regional Parties comming together to form coalitions and ascend to power.
Do you believe what you are writing , that is contrary to what is in the media and on ground.
ODM-Raila is falling into the trap of popularizing UDM as the vehicle for Rift valley politicians come next years elections in "August".
Next years elections will be about regional parties and not national parties and this where ODM-Raila fails to see the light .
We are talking of P.O.R.K here. How do you expect a regional party to produce a president? I think you have misunderstood the whole discussion.
There are as many regional parties in Kenya as there are regions. Dont tell me that they are better off than a national party such as ODM.
The new constitution will re-model the coalition of parties and it will be beneficial for parties to form coalitions during the election run-offs and this means consolidating the regional bloc votes during the initial election.
It is evident no presidential candidate will be able garner the required votes to meet the threshold of becoming the president elect during the first round of the 2012 elections.
Maybe later it will be possible to have national parties once the politics mature or dependent on the outcome of the 2012 elections
After a series of rallies after the ICC appearing of Uhuru and Ruto, realizing that a second round election was not the best thing for them Jubilee took their strategy a notch higher in November 2011 had the legislation amended to have pre-election coalitions(Is this practiced in any other part of the world ?)
www.standardmedia.co.ke/?id=2000041006&cid=4&articleID=2000041006
Parliament has upheld pre-election coalitions after amending legislation to regulate political parties during an acrimonious sitting marred with 2012 succession politics.
The rejection of the attempt to outlaw pre-election coalitions was seen as a triumph in Parliament by the so-called G-7 alliance over Prime Minister Raila Odinga’s ODM.
The acrimonious debate on the proposed amendments to the Political Parties Bill reflected the political camps with members’ support or rejection of proposals apparently influenced by loyalty to the respective camps.
Gichugu MP Martha Karua retorted that the Political Parties Bill had been watered down to the extent it was not worth the title.
Karua said she would rather it be renamed the "G7 Political Parties Act." The defeated amendment by the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee (CIOC) sought to entirely delete clause 10 of the Bill, which provided for pre-election coalitions.
Its proponents backed coalitions formed only after the elections citing the instability of the Narc coalition in 2002 and the instability of the grand coalition Government.
But opponents countered the move violated the Constitution, which guaranteed freedom of association. They argued the Constitution envisaged such coalitions because it stated the majority leader could be from a coalition of parties if no party had the numbers.
The contentious amendment was defeated after a verbal vote. Its proponents could not raise the mandatory 20 members to force a physical count.
Verbal vote
This paved the way for an amendment by Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo, which was moved by Energy Minister Kiraitu Murungi, which sanctioned both pre and post-election coalitions. The amended provision reads: "Two or more political parties may form a coalition before or after an election and shall deposit the coalition agreement with the registrar."
It adds: "A coalition agreement entered into before an election shall be deposited with the registrar at least three months before that election."Clause 3 further stipulates a coalition agreement entered into after an election shall be deposited with the registrar within 21 days of the signing of the coalition agreement.
During the stormy session, Gwassi MP John Mbadi was thrown out of the Chamber after an altercation with Yatta’s Charles Kilonzo.
CIOC members Rachael Shebesh and Ababu Namwamba also attempted to strip Turkana Central MP Ekwe Ethuro of the role to lead amendments on behalf of the committee.
They claimed Ethuro was not faithful to the cause and had voted against the committee’s amendment.
Temporary Speaker Joyce Laboso said there was no way to determine which way Ethuro had voted during the verbal vote.
During heated debate, Nairobi Metropolitan Minister Njeru Githae said: "We should not prohibit formation of coalition governments."
Shebesh said: "The committee was of the view we should encourage parties to compete. Coalitions should be formed after an election if the winning party doesn’t garner enough seats."
The rejection of the attempt to outlaw pre-election coalitions was seen as a triumph in Parliament by the so-called G-7 alliance over Prime Minister Raila Odinga’s ODM.
The acrimonious debate on the proposed amendments to the Political Parties Bill reflected the political camps with members’ support or rejection of proposals apparently influenced by loyalty to the respective camps.
Gichugu MP Martha Karua retorted that the Political Parties Bill had been watered down to the extent it was not worth the title.
Karua said she would rather it be renamed the "G7 Political Parties Act." The defeated amendment by the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee (CIOC) sought to entirely delete clause 10 of the Bill, which provided for pre-election coalitions.
Its proponents backed coalitions formed only after the elections citing the instability of the Narc coalition in 2002 and the instability of the grand coalition Government.
But opponents countered the move violated the Constitution, which guaranteed freedom of association. They argued the Constitution envisaged such coalitions because it stated the majority leader could be from a coalition of parties if no party had the numbers.
The contentious amendment was defeated after a verbal vote. Its proponents could not raise the mandatory 20 members to force a physical count.
Verbal vote
This paved the way for an amendment by Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo, which was moved by Energy Minister Kiraitu Murungi, which sanctioned both pre and post-election coalitions. The amended provision reads: "Two or more political parties may form a coalition before or after an election and shall deposit the coalition agreement with the registrar."
It adds: "A coalition agreement entered into before an election shall be deposited with the registrar at least three months before that election."Clause 3 further stipulates a coalition agreement entered into after an election shall be deposited with the registrar within 21 days of the signing of the coalition agreement.
During the stormy session, Gwassi MP John Mbadi was thrown out of the Chamber after an altercation with Yatta’s Charles Kilonzo.
CIOC members Rachael Shebesh and Ababu Namwamba also attempted to strip Turkana Central MP Ekwe Ethuro of the role to lead amendments on behalf of the committee.
They claimed Ethuro was not faithful to the cause and had voted against the committee’s amendment.
Temporary Speaker Joyce Laboso said there was no way to determine which way Ethuro had voted during the verbal vote.
During heated debate, Nairobi Metropolitan Minister Njeru Githae said: "We should not prohibit formation of coalition governments."
Shebesh said: "The committee was of the view we should encourage parties to compete. Coalitions should be formed after an election if the winning party doesn’t garner enough seats."
Its clear that what motivated Jubilee (UhuRuto) to constitutionalize their marriage were the mistakes they learnt from the NARC pre-election MOU and ODM pre-election agreements which lead to a bitter fallout within the parties and eventually the breakaway of the different factions within the party. If the Narcs and ODM pre-election agreements had been covered in the constitution or by a governing law then they would have been fulfilled and there would be no fall-outs attributed to betrayal of the agreements.
With the pre-election coalition agreement deposited already with the registrar and Jubilee having won the presidential elections and acquired majority in both National assembly and Senate it will be hard to negate on the agreement and any idea of that is just wishful thinking and self deceit. This is the reason so far all positions in Jubilee have been distributed according to the agreements Pre-election/Post election
Senate Speaker-URP
Deputy Senate Speaker-TNA
National assembly Speaker- TNA
Deputy National assmbly speaker- URP
Senate Majority Leader-TNA
Senate Deputy Majority Leader-URP
National Assembly Majority leader-URP
etc etc
Another point to note is that since 2002 Uhuru and Ruto have been working together with exception of that period about 5 Months or less 2007 pre-election /post election period . They were both in Kanu and Ruto supported Uhurus presidential bid in 2002 , Ruto was with Uhuru during the Kanu supremacy battles between Uhuru and Ruto and became KANUs Secretary General when Uhuru became the chairman.
For UhuRuto to have another short for the Presidency then they need to deliver on their promises and to do this they need to stick together so that their MPs & senators in their coalition can aslo stick with them and aid in their legislative agenda lest they make the same mistake Raila did and which was a contributing factor of losing the presidential elections.
