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Post by t2011 on Aug 20, 2013 16:21:48 GMT 3
Mr Willy Mutunga the march 4 will never go away in your life one thing happened which you were not party to, but when the snowball that is the petition landed at your court where everybody thought there could be refugee, you went for the hyenas, so they liked you, you played ball, but now they have come for one of your children that is Gladys Boss Shollei , will you leave her at the mercy of the hyenas for the hills , time will tell but rest assured when your company is made of lawyer abdnassir and ag githu muigai know that you are being fattened for slaughter sooner than later, watch out time is running out.
And the time really has come.
And to parliament to know how JSC is mafia den just summon the AG na mambo kwisha , then go ahead and do a KACC to them then Mutunga will wake up .
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 20, 2013 19:29:27 GMT 3
Mr Willy Mutunga the march 4 will never go away in your life one thing happened which you were not party too, but when the snowball that is the petition landed at your court where everybody thought there could be refugee, you went for the hyenas, so they liked you, you played ball, but now they have come for one of your childeren that is Gladys Boss shollei , will you leave her at the mercy of the hyenas for the hills , time will tell but rest assured when your company is made of lawyer abdenassir and ag githu muigai know that you are being fattened for slaughter sooner than later, watch out time is running out. --Nairobi Star: Parliamentary Committee summons Shollei, JSC TUESDAY, AUGUST 20, 2013 - 00:00 -- BY STAR REPORTER The Committee of Justice and Legal Affairs has invited the suspended Chief Registrar of the Judiciary Gladys Shollei to appear before the committee tomorrow afternoon. The Parliamentary Committee’s chairman Ainabkoi MP Samuel Chepkonga said that Ms Shollei had not been treated fairly. Chepkonga said the JSC erred by suspending Ms Shollei before giving her the right to respond to allegations against her and give her an opportunity to respond. The committee has also summoned the Judicial Service Commission to appear before it on Thursday this week. The JSC yesterday suspended Shollei for 15 days to facilitate investigations into procurement by the Judiciary including buildings and generators for all Supreme Court judges. The decision was made after a vote during a meeting of JSC members over the weekend. A group led by Lawyer Ahmednassir Abdullahi who backed the proposal carried the day with 5-4 vote in favour of suspending Shollei. - See more at: www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-132781/parliamentary-committee-summons-shollei-jsc#sthash.x2o8jLxy.dpufRead more: jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/7367/hon-mutunga-cj-funny-man?page=3#ixzz2cWlf5MBV nb: |
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Aug 21, 2013 19:35:50 GMT 3
Oloo
I am being insulted, again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 19:45:08 GMT 3
Oloo I am being insulted, again. you're too much. You insult people and then you claim that you're the victim. Wallahi there has to be something wrong with you. I like kamalet more than you. can you imagine that? And plus I'm ready for your insults. What are you going to call me uncircumcised, malaya, black darkie? I'm helping you with ideas because those are the sorts of thigs that come out of your mouth. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 21, 2013 20:09:32 GMT 3
Here is from the Nairobi-Star: I am afraid CJ Mutunga looks a joke at the end of it! MPs SUMMON JSC OVER SHOLLEI WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 21, 2013 - 00:00 -- BY STAR TEAM The decision to send the Judiciary chief registrar Gladys Boss Shollei home pending investigations has received wide criticism with some members of the Bench and the Bar raising concerns about who is incharge.The decision has been criticised by the Secretary to the Cabinet Francis Kimemia who said Shollei should not have been suspended before investigations were completed.“JSC should be fair enough to Shollei. Investigations should be conducted while she is still in office because they’re based onallegations. The dignity of public servants should be protected while investigations are ongoing. In the event they are found innocent their names will still bear the tags of ‘alleged’ corruption. Then this means that public servants are under attack from forces of corruption,” he said. Parliament’s Legal Affairs Committee has summoned the Judicial Service Commission to appear before it tomorrow to explain its decision.Two committees, Finance and Administration and human resource management were set up to investigate the allegations against Shollei and will be led by Ahmednasir and by Justice Isaac Lenaola.The committees will be looking into allegations of malpractices in procurement,employment, administration, finance andcorporate governance at the judiciary.Yesterday four Court of Appeal judge sand another from the High Court accused Ahmednasir of using his position to target Shollei, other colleagues on the bench aswell as judiciary staff. Ahmednassir is feared within the judiciary and has been known to ask judiciary staff including judges and magistrates to refer to him as the “Grand Mullah’ because I am n o longer a Taliban!’ Mullah is an Arabic word generally used to refer to a Muslim man or woman, educated in Islamic theology and sacred law. A prominent lawyer Wilfred Nderitu said Ahmednasir’s past conduct made him unsuitable to continue to sit on the JSC. “He has not carried himself in a proper manner as a nominee of the LSK,” Nderitu said. Multiple sources we spoke to yesterday talked of an emergent cartel in the Judiciary that is replacing the old cartel dismantled under the reforms introduced by Mutunga. “The same people who dismantled the previous cartel have created suspense and fear in judicial officers to entrench a new cartel. This is essentially the source of the current fights,” a consultant with judiciary who cannot be quoted to avoid breaching confidentiality said. He claimed the members of the new cartel were “anchored’ in the same JSC and were among those who are currently intimidating the judicial staff.Law Society of Kenya vice chair Lilian Renee Omondi said there’s an emerging problem of accounting officers being victimised at the behest of decisions made by the oversight policy bodies.“As a society we are still waiting to be briefed by our members at JSC. I honestly do not think she has the capacity to unilaterally dish out tenders of the kind of magnitude we are hearing,” she said. She said there was also a disconnect between the law and the manner in which Shollei was suspended.- See more at: www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-132825/mps-summon-jsc-over-shollei#sthash.zqJfcWAP.dpufPS: Hey, son of Kenyatta and Mr. President: Have you decided yet if a ROTTEN JSC best suits your presidency? They you are blessed. You have one!  |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 21, 2013 20:11:21 GMT 3
After listening to Mrs. Sholei appearing before the parliamentary select committee (a session which I think was unnecessarily bad-timed), I came to the conclusion that she is not as smart as I earlier thought. No wonder she is being smoked out.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 21, 2013 20:48:00 GMT 3
Two committees, Finance and Administration and human resource management were set up to investigate the allegations against Shollei and will be led by Ahmednasir and by Justice Isaac Lenaola Entertaining stuff ... the hyena gets to preside in a case against a goat, after first locking up the goat. |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 22, 2013 8:43:15 GMT 3
After listening to Mrs. Sholei appearing before the parliamentary select committee (a session which I think was unnecessarily bad-timed), I came to the conclusion that she is not as smart as I earlier thought. No wonder she is being smoked out. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ This Shollei woman is not clever at all! All she has done is pander to the tribalists on the parliamentary panel who saw her being victimised for her tribe and run to convene the parliamentary kangaroo court. But the first mistake was the statement she made immediately after the CJ had spoken sending her on compulsory leave. Arguing legalistic about how she can be suspended did not help her case at all for she surely cannot hope for any investigation being done whilst she sits in office. Assuming we are to believe her claims of 'safi kama pamba', the two week break was not too long to clear her. Now, after that media highlight, her performance in parliament yesterday as a crouching tigress surely wounded some people and she can only hope that she did not leave a trail that could hang her for surely those JSC guys will do exactly that if they find an excuse however tiny to nail her. I cannot imagine why she cannot wait for the 14 days and if found clean, come out fighting as she did last night. One thing is now clear, Shollei is past tense in the Judiciary and just like Baraza, the arrogance of power may have gotten to her and she has made a mistake. Perhaps here is someone she can learn from. Kamlesh M Pattni has ripped off our country the most money anyone has ever done in 50 years of Kenya's history. He is yet to see jail and today preaches to a big congregation, is eligible to stand as an MP.....he never overtly fights anyone even when claiming his innocence! |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Aug 22, 2013 9:24:37 GMT 3
Surely the above INSULT to SADIK is tasteless, crude, offensive and above all TOTALLY UNNECESSARY!!
Onyango Oloo
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Post by merkeju on Aug 22, 2013 11:37:12 GMT 3
After listening to Mrs. Sholei appearing before the parliamentary select committee (a session which I think was unnecessarily bad-timed), I came to the conclusion that she is not as smart as I earlier thought. No wonder she is being smoked out. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ This Shollei woman is not clever at all! All she has done is pander to the tribalists on the parliamentary panel who saw her being victimised for her tribe and run to convene the parliamentary kangaroo court. But the first mistake was the statement she made immediately after the CJ had spoken sending her on compulsory leave. Arguing legalistic about how she can be suspended did not help her case at all for she surely cannot hope for any investigation being done whilst she sits in office. Assuming we are to believe her claims of 'safi kama pamba', the two week break was not too long to clear her. Now, after that media highlight, her performance in parliament yesterday as a crouching tigress surely wounded some people and she can only hope that she did not leave a trail that could hang her for surely those JSC guys will do exactly that if they find an excuse however tiny to nail her. I cannot imagine why she cannot wait for the 14 days and if found clean, come out fighting as she did last night. One thing is now clear, Shollei is past tense in the Judiciary and just like Baraza, the arrogance of power may have gotten to her and she has made a mistake. Perhaps here is someone she can learn from. Kamlesh M Pattni has ripped off our country the most money anyone has ever done in 50 years of Kenya's history. He is yet to see jail and today preaches to a big congregation, is eligible to stand as an MP.....he never overtly fights anyone even when claiming his innocence! i have difficulty understanding your argument, is Shollei guilty already, is pondering to tribalists means she cannot be heard, and for your information JUBILEE government is made up of two tribes, Kikuyus and Kalenjins |
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Post by nowayhaha on Aug 22, 2013 12:42:06 GMT 3
Personally I think she was doing well dwelling on the legality issue until she decided to venture into the murky grounds of baseless accusations against some of the JSC members (which is a one sentence she made in matter of less than one minute but has overshadowed the whole appearance ).
I watched both Shollei appearance on the parliamentary committee and Ahmed Nassirs interview in K24 .
What came out clearly is that there have been some power struggle between the JSC and the Chief Registrar which albeit in any organization is normal and for these reasons right people with the tight skills and capacity are employed to mitigate or most importantly overcome the challenges lest we let machines operate.
Shollei who I have been holding a high opinion that she is above board has really disappointed me .She played to the gallery of the 4th estate by mentioning names and accusations which most likely will make her never return as the chief registrar and If she returns she wont last long due to human factor reasons like need of maintaining a cohesive team /team work which will deliver and achieve the desired results.
What is evident is that Shollei’s undoing was that rather than being transparent and communicating the decision (which is the bone of contention) of acquiring a building in Mombasa to the JSC financial committee she decided to usurp or ignore that team reasons better known to her but what clearly came out is due to gender inferiority complex and the JSC then decided to show their powers by forcing her to go for a compulsory leave which is not only illegal but unconstitutional. (this was wrong as 2 wrongs don’t make a right ) .Yes a precedent had been made by Raila on maize saga by “sending” Carol Omondi and Mohamed Isakhia on leave pending investigation but this was a smokescreen to cool down political temperatures and for Raila to damage control on his image of “safi kama pamba “
This issue is coming out as Miguna drama part 2 .Where right people with wrong skills are given demanding jobs and they squander the opportunity to a position where they derail and eventually Kill the mission and vision of the goal. Sholleis goal was to see the transformation of the judiciary to where the Kenyans envisioned the organization to be .Of course one needs the goodwill of the stakeholders and most importantly the wananchis but the approach she took leaves a lot to be desired .
One can never live in a vacuum and any transformational ideas to be successful need to be bought also by the people working with you / under you not unless you have been brought to overhaul the whole organization which was not the instance in Sholleis case nor can it be practical in Judicial system in Kenya which has been running time in memorial even since before independence and further more if that was the case Kenyans would have stated the same during the referendum of the new constitution .
Remember when our own Jukwaa member Kamale warned us that it appears that activists are good at theory and perform dismally when given an opportunity to enact/implement their ideas and when Miguna was suspended by the former PM our own Jukwaa member Adongo23456 predicted that Miguna most likely wont get his job back due to the manner he had reacted to the suspension. Its public knowledge that Shollei is who she is because of his husband (from the day they met and made the arrangements for them to study together in South African )the CEO of standard media group and it’s a shame this saga might also drag in his husband who is a respected and an outstanding individual.
The CORD/ODM March 04 losers are also happy that Ahmed Nassir name has also been mentioned in this saga . Where as Shollei elaborated the work issues she has with Warsame and Omide she never came out clear on any issue she has with Ahmed Nassir pointing it has been in the public gallery for a minute .CORD/ODM harbor bad feelings which in normal and human on Ahmed Nasir due to his involvement in the MAR 04 presidential election petition and perceived closeness(far from truth ) with UhuRuto administration as his former Law firm partner /associate Abdikadir is the presidential advisor on constitution matters .
What I will say abou the whole saga -->Shollei has dissapinted majority of Kenyans who believed she would be one of the intergral personality to transform the judiciary.
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Post by kamalet on Aug 22, 2013 13:16:59 GMT 3
This Shollei woman is not clever at all! All she has done is pander to the tribalists on the parliamentary panel who saw her being victimised for her tribe and run to convene the parliamentary kangaroo court. But the first mistake was the statement she made immediately after the CJ had spoken sending her on compulsory leave. Arguing legalistic about how she can be suspended did not help her case at all for she surely cannot hope for any investigation being done whilst she sits in office. Assuming we are to believe her claims of 'safi kama pamba', the two week break was not too long to clear her. Now, after that media highlight, her performance in parliament yesterday as a crouching tigress surely wounded some people and she can only hope that she did not leave a trail that could hang her for surely those JSC guys will do exactly that if they find an excuse however tiny to nail her. I cannot imagine why she cannot wait for the 14 days and if found clean, come out fighting as she did last night. One thing is now clear, Shollei is past tense in the Judiciary and just like Baraza, the arrogance of power may have gotten to her and she has made a mistake. Perhaps here is someone she can learn from. Kamlesh M Pattni has ripped off our country the most money anyone has ever done in 50 years of Kenya's history. He is yet to see jail and today preaches to a big congregation, is eligible to stand as an MP.....he never overtly fights anyone even when claiming his innocence! i have difficulty understanding your argument, is Shollei guilty already, is pondering to tribalists means she cannot be heard, and for your information JUBILEE government is made up of two tribes, Kikuyus and Kalenjins merkeju You can now be sure that they will find a skeleton Shollei ignored to bury and that will be her undoing! As for pandering to tribalists.....I am not sure how you could have missed who were the first people to come to her defence! She did not know (so they could not know!!!) what she was accused of.....now try and see why Chepkonga is all worked up! It is nothing to do with Jubilee or anything else! Now go figure! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 22, 2013 19:38:57 GMT 3
Its public knowledge that Shollei is who she is because of his husband (from the day they met and made the arrangements for them to study together in South African )the CEO of standard media group and it’s a shame this saga might also drag in his husband who is a respected and an outstanding individual. ! I ask myself, why are you speaking in public with your cloaca? Pin point to me the fakes in the following CV: For instance Her husband wrote her doctoral thesis at Ghent you mean?  whoswho.co.ke/gladys-shollei-73029NowayHaha, Gladys Shollei has faults, but I think you want to be apologising for that cruel denial of her humanity as a thinking, willful being in her own right. No mere appendage of her husband. The professionalism with which she handled the succession, up to the inauguration has won her wide praise, from independents too. Your attempts to belittle this woman as a mere appendage, creation of her husband renders you a moron, methinks. -- utachunga wewe! |
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 22, 2013 19:53:11 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:
In the land of so many Manly & Total men (aka Modern Troglodytes) it doesn't matter how highly qualified a woman is or how hard she works. If she gets ahead, it must be because of her husband or because she's putting out!
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 22, 2013 20:19:14 GMT 3
Personally I think she was doing well dwelling on the legality issue until she decided to venture into the murky grounds of baseless accusations against some of the JSC members (which is a one sentence she made in matter of less than one minute but has overshadowed the whole appearance ). Baseless? Let us see her own words. And remember the house in Mombasa, was sourced by the LSK branch in that town! Well, the lady did communicate her disquiet to the Chairman of the JSC! ---Mutunga is of course free to deny receipt of the concerns! Murky grounds of Baseless accusations ? apparently HaHA No Way! Some power struggle? Man there is a death struggle going on, as old cartels cling to dear life! Why do you people in Nairobi never bother to tell us a few home truths? THE BATTLE IS ON THE TENDERS! and in the sidelines, suggestions that the construction firm that delivered the substandard building which Mutunga condemned, be brought to book, with bankrupting consequences for a hoard of notables ---some of them owning members of the JSC! Sholei's problem is that she has been SELECTIVE in her anti-corruption push! It has been a mixed bag of zero tolerance for others, tolerance for others, and, this is the killer, perceived free-pass to others! This is her achilles heel. Partiality. The JSC has revealed itself a rotten den. I will be posting my full opinion below! You have been holding a high opinion of her, or of her husband's influence  on her? you charlatan! {quote]What is evident is that Shollei’s undoing was that rather than being transparent and communicating the decision (which is the bone of contention) of acquiring a building in Mombasa to the JSC financial committee she decided to usurp or ignore that team reasons better known to her[/quote]The vote was 5/4 with other banned from voting for flimsy technicalitis in a country getting ready to be run high-tech via skype --you should remember. The Sholei version that Ahmednasir had a 'business disagreement' with this Mombasa-LSK sourced building is also highly plausible, and I wouldn't outrule it offhand. Separating a man and is food, is a hungry man is an angry mouth! Very plausbible. I missed the point on gender inferiority. Even in Luoland Raila never had an image as safi kama pamba. Molasses, rigged elections for his cronies. Public pressure would be a better explanation. This is also CJ Mutunga's official brief. To extrapolate that Sholei may derail and eventually kill the mission and vision of the goal, is wild and offside in my estimation. A reel of her incompetences has not been negotiatited [made public, nor specified in private writing by her kangaroo colleagues. HMMM 1. I am happy you no longer claim she is delving in murky baseless allegations of no substance respective Warsame and Ominde. 2. The Issue with Ahmednasir is the sourcing of a house in Mombase, ksh. +500M, without the Grand Mullah's say so nor blessing. reading between the lines and knowing Kenya, I repeat there is a story there of foregone meals causing ire! How detrimental was the involvement of Ahmednasir in the 04 petition to Cord's case? to warrant ill feelings in the hearts of Cord/ODM? Yes, shollei is a disappointment. ---Not the only one in town though! But we should write her story straight! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 22, 2013 20:26:58 GMT 3
JUSTICE MAJANJA OF THE HIGH COURT HAS BARRED THE JSC FROM SUSPENDING SHOLEI! links later! Meanwhile Mpigs too are in action!
CJ Mutunga and his JSC are a limping sheep, tossed this way and that way by the winds of the high seas of Kenyan politics. --How did it come to this?
Pray tell, dear JSC, what ill did you do the gods, that their wrath reduce you to a simpleton of no respect nor worth?
Well, The issue according to me now, is the fact that the JSC has disgraced itself, or, as in where the buck stops, her chairman and CEO, CJ Mutunga, has allowed the body to decompose and beg to be burried many feet under.
its credibility in tatters, the CJ himself calling it rogue, the most important question, I repeat, is whether President Kenyatta reckons a rotten JSC serves his tenure best, or whether the son of Jomo recognises a higher calling, and concludes a rotten JSC is a rotten judicial system is a rotten country is a rotten president is a rotten regime.
On the other hand, given short-term-ism, a rotten JSC will allow a beleaguered head of state to manipulate it, intimidate it, use it all manner of machinations by virtue of blackmail, and enjoy some peace of sleep, knowing no independent opinion shall surprise the CIC.
It would not surprise me then, if this complete neutralisation of the former activist Mutunga, is much to the satisfaction of the current regime, and is thus maintained. Mutunga's term is practically dead.
An astonishingly funny man!
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 22, 2013 21:43:32 GMT 3
the most important question, I repeat, is whether President Kenyatta reckons a rotten JSC serves his tenure best, or whether the son of Jomo recognises a higher calling, and c oncludes a rotten JSC is a rotten judicial system is a rotten country is a rotten president is a rotten regime. And why on earth would he do that? He is fond of the juice of the grape and of certain barley extracts, but stupid he is not. Let us suppose that at some time he decides that things are too hot at the Hague. he consults Bashir and gets some advice. The first order of business would be to make sure that all is "well" on the home-front. The legislature is pretty much taken care of. So are the police and intelligence services etc. So too are the money guys. That leaves the judiciary. Even if the police refused to act on it, it would be very awkward to have a Kenyan court issue an arrest warrant for His Excellency. So who in the judiciary is inclined to have a mind of his or her own? Is His Excellency the best person to recognize higher callings, rot, etc.? Consider the charges he faces in the world's highest criminal court: •murder (article 7(l)(a)); •deportation or forcible transfer (article 7(l)(d)); •rape (article 7(l)(g)); •persecution (articles 7(l)(h)); and •other inhumane acts (article 7(l)(k)). Even setting aside the ICC matters and this Shollei business, a malleable judiciary is very important to any African Big Man who is really Big. The current court has already gone too far---forcing the other His Excellency to return stolen land ... I mean, who's really in charge of Kenya? So, sooner or later, His Excellency has to sort out the judiciary, and having Mutunga's legs sawn off would set a good example. Remember judges are looking for promotion, can still be called for disciplinary action, etc. Once the example has been made, who will want to raise a head above the parapet? The JSC is the key to making sure that the judges understand a well-known line (Samuel Goldwyn, I think): "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you".
As for Ahmednassir, one has to give him credit for this for the fact that once the cheque clears, he will perform and deliver, as in this crooked deal: allafrica.com/stories/201111080227.html(This is not intended to imply that Shollei is "innocent" or "guilty" of whatever she is accused of, but the arrangement that saw two people prevented from voting is curious. Even if legal, why not wait until all can have their say.) |
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Post by malkia on Aug 22, 2013 22:10:30 GMT 3
Sadly we are losing focus of the real issues here. Public servants are accountable to the people of Kenya and in this case, as the Accounting Officer of the judiciary, the CRJ needs to reflect an understanding of these basic governance principles. JSC is legally mandated to review her performance and receive and investigate complaints about her conduct. We are so caught up in the personalities here that we are failing to see the bigger issues at play. We are, deliberately in my view, being misled so no susbtative questions are asked about MRs. shollei's conduct and tenure at the Judiciary. It may behove us to review Judiciary's recent ranking on the corruption index. I would be interested to see the Anti-corruption strategy that Mrs. Shollei has implemented at the Judiciary. I would also be interested in details on who sits on the Tender committe, their experience and reporting relationship to Mrs. Shollei and to see minutes and votes for some of the bigger procurement deals. Let's also focus in on her team of Directors at Judiciary and their substantive accomplishments. We are not asking the right questions.
I do not believe Mrs. Shollei doesn't know the charges against her, her statements have been specific and related primarily to procurement e.g. Court of Appeal facilities at Elgon Court (over half a billion shillings). She is fully aware of the issues raised. I think it is reasonable and indeed advisable for an officer at that level to be suspended
pending an investigation because duh if allowed to remain they can intimidate staff and interfere with the investigation. In my view an officer that is fighting both an investigation AND the suspension makes me suspicious. I do not know whether Mrs. Shollei is corrupt but I do know I want all public servants to u derstand that they are and must be accountable to Kenyans and the institutions for which they work, we cannot have sacred cows, no matter their gender or ethnicity.
I applaud JSC for their restraint, I too would like more information but in light of the media blitz by Mrs. Shollei their restraint is professional and admirable. I detect a distinct lack of respect for the institution and the process in Mrs. Shollei's behavior and that is particularly unappealing for me in a public servant.
Finally, let us not forget that we are a country held together BY the Judiciary. Without the faith that Kenyan citizens and the political establishment chose to place in the Supreme Court, we would likely be in a state of conflict. Challenge this institution and it's governance structures because you don't like the person being investigated and you open the door to citizens removing their trust in the institution and no longer feeling bound by the decision that granted us this uneasy peace. Mrs. Shollei should be investigated by her employer, as is their right and we should support that process. This undue interference by the legislature, executive and other political actors does not
bode well for Kenyans and Kenya.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 22, 2013 22:27:02 GMT 3
I detect a distinct lack of respect for the institution and the process in Mrs. Shollei's behavior and that is particularly unappealing for me in a public servant. Malkia, Those of us who have dealt with Judges and lawyers and court clerks within the Kenyan judiciary, can not be expected to have respect for that institution, up to the JSC! I am sure Sholei knows the inside stories, probably because she is as corrupt as her peers trying to get rid of her. Yes, if those tenders were to be investigated to the bottom, as in follow the money when Al-Capone was being hunted, who would remain standing and deserving of respect? NB: Consider the current parliament as a national institution: do you have respect for it? Their general popular name is Mpigs, that is they are held in contempt! Some of these judges at the JSC slept on cases for 10 years and only rushed them for fear of sacking! Respect for such goats you want? |
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 22, 2013 23:22:55 GMT 3
Malkia:
Kenya is Kenya.
"Strictly speaking", you are right. But this is a judiciary whose traditional rot is well known, in a country where every kind of rot and all sorts of skullduggery are well known. It was supposedly cleaned out in 2003 but only turned out to be more rotten than ever. Recently it has supposedly been cleaned out again, and right now we have a guy who was fired, sneaked back in, and is again on the firing line. The JSC has been very quick---to the extent of taking votes in the absence of some members---in the Shollei case, but what have they done about this repeat offender on the High-Court bench.
One question that must trouble people: with a 5-4 vote, why could the JSC not wait until the two absent members were back? That would have helped allay many fears, which could be wrong, that there is dirty business going on. Public confidence requires more than "the law was followed"; many people don't have the time to delve into the details of the law, and so how things look is also important. The "optics" in a case like the present one will not help in developing a "trust in the institution".
I think it would be great if Kenyans had more faith in the judiciary, which, under Mutunga has improved quite a bit. But people still know what it is. Shollei has the court thing going, but a den of thieves is not the place to be a lady. Let her also toboa whatever she has.
The one point I absolutely agree with you on: "This undue interference by the legislature, executive and other political actors does not bode well for Kenyans and Kenya." The legislature might well have some role, but the unseemly haste with which it jumped in doesn't help. It is the sort of situation that, unchecked, could lead to the legislature holding the judiciary by the ... [forgot what I wanted to write there] Equally bad are signs that this could turn into another "our people are being finished". Still, the sad fact is that Kenya is still mostly an "our man" [unusual for our man to be a woman] and "our people" sort of place.
On personalities: if I ever meet Ahmednassir and get to shake his hand, the first thing I will do right after that is check to see if my hand is still attached to the end of my arm and not being flogged off for dog-feed someplace. But, of course, he is no doubt a very fine lawyer.
On the other points: I remain convinced that at some point Uhuruto will act to emasculate the judiciary and that the only question is how and when.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 22, 2013 23:25:21 GMT 3
the most important question, I repeat, is whether President Kenyatta reckons a rotten JSC serves his tenure best, or whether the son of Jomo recognises a higher calling, and c oncludes a rotten JSC is a rotten judicial system is a rotten country is a rotten president is a rotten regime. And why on earth would he do that? He is fond of the juice of the grape and of certain barley extracts, but stupid he is not. Let us suppose that at some time he decides that things are too hot at the Hague. he consults Bashir and gets some advice. The first order of business would be to make sure that all is "well" on the home-front. The legislature is pretty much taken care of. So are the police and intelligence services etc. So too are the money guys. That leaves the judiciary. Even if the police refused to act on it, it would be very awkward to have a Kenyan court issue an arrest warrant for His Excellency. So who in the judiciary is inclined to have a mind of his or her own? Is His Excellency the best person to recognize higher callings, rot, etc.? Consider the charges he faces in the world's highest criminal court: •murder (article 7(l)(a)); •deportation or forcible transfer (article 7(l)(d)); •rape (article 7(l)(g)); •persecution (articles 7(l)(h)); and •other inhumane acts (article 7(l)(k)). Even setting aside the ICC matters and this Shollei business, a malleable judiciary is very important to any African Big Man who is really Big. The current court has already gone too far---forcing the other His Excellency to return stolen land ... I mean, who's really in charge of Kenya? So, sooner or later, His Excellency has to sort out the judiciary, and having Mutunga's legs sawn off would set a good example. Remember judges are looking for promotion, can still be called for disciplinary action, etc. Once the example has been made, who will want to raise a head above the parapet? The JSC is the key to making sure that the judges understand a well-known line (Samuel Goldwyn, I think): "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you".
As for Ahmednassir, one has to give him credit for this for the fact that once the cheque clears, he will perform and deliver, as in this crooked deal: allafrica.com/stories/201111080227.html(This is not intended to imply that Shollei is "innocent" or "guilty" of whatever she is accused of, but the arrangement that saw two people prevented from voting is curious. Even if legal, why not wait until all can have their say.) When I want your opinion I will give it to you! ----Ei, yawa mama! Between the lines that is what Mutunga has become!? That is no longer funny, not even one party funny while tragic. That is lights out, and back to square one! I saw this Judge in Egypt releasing Mubarak and extending Morsi's detention period indefinitely, and, wait for it, issuing an arrest warrant against El-Baradei for, wait for it, DESERTION! I guess the army wanted a legal ruling, so they gave it to the Judge! John Kerr, Obama's boy engaging that region, called the coup a return to democracy! You never know who else is taking notes in the wide world. John Kerry on a lecture tour! |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 23, 2013 9:30:05 GMT 3
Interesting the debate is no longer about Shollei but her alleged enemies trying to fix her!
Again that is the mistake she is making by diverting attention against herself through pointing fingers at others. Serious allegations have been made against her integrity and I do not think running to Majanja to block her suspension or disciplinary action will help as the investigations were not stopped per se. Her continued shooting from all sides points at possible desperation and whilst the positives shall be that she might go down with other rotten people in the judiciary, she is not helping a cause with the route she is taking.
It is not about Abdelnassir or Justice Ibrahim....it is about her!!
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Post by nowayhaha on Aug 23, 2013 12:24:39 GMT 3
Its public knowledge that Shollei is who she is because of his husband (from the day they met and made the arrangements for them to study together in South African )the CEO of standard media group and it’s a shame this saga might also drag in his husband who is a respected and an outstanding individual. ! I ask myself, why are you speaking in public with your cloaca? Pin point to me the fakes in the following CV: For instance Her husband wrote her doctoral thesis at Ghent you mean? whoswho.co.ke/gladys-shollei-73029NowayHaha, Gladys Shollei has faults, but I think you want to be apologising for that cruel denial of her humanity as a thinking, willful being in her own right. No mere appendage of her husband. The professionalism with which she handled the succession, up to the inauguration has won her wide praise, from independents too. Your attempts to belittle this woman as a mere appendage, creation of her husband renders you a moron, methinks. -- utachunga wewe! sample this .Staright from the horses mouth . www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000040740&pageNo=1 I joined the University of Nairobi to study Law from 1988 to 1991. By the time I was done at the Kenya School of Law, I had identified the area I wanted to specialise in ââ Environmental Law. I was called to Cornell University in the US but my boyfriend (now husband) convinced me to go to Cape Town University in South Africa, instead. He was working for an international company there, thus we would be able to meet. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000040740&story_title=gladys-boss-shollei-i-have-helped-restore-voter-confidence&pageNo=2Luckily, my husband is in management and finance and I remember I would go home with problems and he would know exactly what to do. Since my management skills were jua kali |
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 23, 2013 16:39:20 GMT 3
Two committees, Finance and Administration and human resource management were set up to investigate the allegations against Shollei and will be led by Ahmednasir and by Justice Isaac Lenaola Entertaining stuff ... the hyena gets to preside in a case against a goat, after first locking up the goat.
CAJ has said the JSC cannot act as “accuser, investigator, prosecutor and judge” in the same case.- See more at: www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-133261/caj-raises-concerns-over-jscs-shollei-probe#sthash.EgGtKr65.dpuf |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 23, 2013 17:49:50 GMT 3
Entertaining stuff ... the hyena gets to preside in a case against a goat, after first locking up the goat.
CAJ has said the JSC cannot act as “accuser, investigator, prosecutor and judge” in the same case.- See more at: www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-133261/caj-raises-concerns-over-jscs-shollei-probe#sthash.EgGtKr65.dpuf --One would think this is ELEMENTARY stuff! O Kenya! This is where you lawyers baffle me, MOONKI!  . Ahmednasir the accuser who also barred the AG from voting by skype or video conference --- setting a very bad precedent should Uhuru need must rule by skype later in time--- is to head the probe? Is the verdict not already written?! And then the accused has also back-accused him of having seeking to influence, provide the building, which is innuendo for a rip-deal! In good rational thinking, which is standard practice and established protocol, the investigation is then outsourced to an objective, external body or auditor! Not insiders emotionally involved, and therefore certainly prejudiced. Where I work, the tax department does not accept our own auditors statement: it has to be an EXTERNAL auditor's seal. Does not make it fool- cheatproof yes, but gives it an veneer of objectivity; and the punishment is so draconian external auditors usually do not bother to fiddle books. But my point is: all these learned friends of yours, why do they not do what I think I saw in Nancy Baraza's case: An impartial Tanzanian eminent Grand Mullah was imported! ---and established the facts in double-time! {the kenya police were taking ages peering at CCTV dead corners!} I hate to rub it in Otishotish, but CJ Mutunga never seems to have a capacity to think clearly. It makes him, dare I say, a funny man. |
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on her? you charlatan!
. Ahmednasir the accuser who also barred the AG from voting by skype or video conference ---setting a very bad precedent should Uhuru need must rule by skype later in time--- is to head the probe? Is the verdict not already written?! And then the accused has also back-accused him of having seeking to influence, provide the building, which is innuendo for a rip-deal!