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Post by justfacts on Jan 26, 2012 16:40:30 GMT 3
Whatever the motive behind the move it is is a good start.
There is still the DPM issue to sort out. It is a public office ....amorphous as it may be.
Muthaura was past retirement age anyway, he is in for a grueling next few years, no matter the outcome, i don't think one plans for a career to end in such circumstances.
Regardless the bar had been raised on integrity. Toe the line or ship out.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 26, 2012 16:17:38 GMT 3
August 2010...... New constitution at work.
May they put up a good defense get a just hearing.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 25, 2012 23:17:05 GMT 3
@njambaa,
Are you suggesting Legal processes follow opinion polls wouldn't that favour the better looking criminals against the uglier counterparts for public opinion is bound to be more sympathetic to the fairer?
Public opinion sways at the behest of opinion leaders (whose main tool is propaganda, heavily employed at political campaigns), should legal reasoning follow suit.
Cherry picking opinion polls to make an argument and vilifying NGO's when they offer a contrary opinion is the classic example of what has been quoted above by JAKASWANGA-- government quoting the constitution when it is expedient and rubbishing it in favour of 'individual capacity' when the same argument is applied to them.
We were told some of the Ocampo 6 could not be asked to resign for they were not suspect. Now that they are......the rules change!
What is clear is that it will be hard to wiggle out of this Hague predicament...The 'uta do?' attitude has been seriously dented.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 25, 2012 22:33:58 GMT 3
@njuguna John,
I could add some more politically motivated ideas:
Ignored plight of IDP's.
Lack of local trial of PEV or gecaca like process 5 years on.
Stay in office of suspects against the constitution, as Baraza is suspended.
Use of public funds for crimes committed in 'individual capacity'.
What is politically motivated or not is beside my point which is- why do we want to sweep accountability for the tragic events of 2007 under the carpet.
Why are we hell bent in one direction only that is -- DO NOTHING.
I am not the biggest fan of parading our dirty linen in foreign lands but we ascribed to the court willingly and had ample time to set up local processes and since we obviously do not want to hold anyone to account.
We need the bitter reminder that some crimes cannot be considered sovereign national affairs . Let them be tried and be free if found not culpable. That is the minimum. And may future generations take a lesson from this process.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 25, 2012 17:13:58 GMT 3
The problem is viewing the crimes from the suspect rather than the victims side.
Hence the the fascination with political parties involved......Daniel Waweru?.
Githu's waped 'legal advice' is premised on the same view.
Mass murder has been reduced to 'individual acts' like collecting a parking fine. A kind of victimless crime.
Many of the dead were felled by police, a priest was killed on the highway, young men 'initiated' by broken bottles and scores burnt in a church of all places. Are this the individual acts we are not talking about.
These individual acts were purportedly organized in the house on the hill and by some factions of the fluid EMO organization. And resulted in 300,000 displaced all the way to Uganda till today and about 1,300 dead.
At what point does act commited under 'individual capacity' warrant government action.
Why the public funded the 10 man committee, the shuttle diplomacy, the foreign lawyers and the very public roadside protestation for individual acts.
Wako reincarnate must be taking us for fools with serious case of selective amnesia.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 24, 2012 20:50:20 GMT 3
@ Omwenga,
He must be seen to be doing something.
Wording of the ICC ruling has come right to the door step of the house on the hill. His Lieutenants are on the dock and his legacy at stake (if it was ever redeemable).
All that is left now is the machinery of state and acquiescence of the public to play on.
The ICC ship left the port long time ago and even the AU...thanks to Wiper shuttles ..... was unable to stop it.
The world will only watch this legal shenanigans with a sigh. For the 4 what is left now is to willingly appear in court or become fugitives. No AG or Court ruling in Kenya can stop this.
So allow the man some space, the half baked arguments were not unexpected, he is at his wits end.
But demands for accountability must remain. If not in Kenyan courts then wherever. Justice calls.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 24, 2012 20:26:15 GMT 3
Foreigners, Neo Colonization PNU, ODM, Katikati yao, 2012 politics.......
Classic escapism from the real matter at hand.
Kenya has made no serious effort to investigate let alone try PEV cases......those with power to do so would rather wish it away. Like they do the IDP's. Lip service is their staple.
I shudder at the prospect that suspicion for crimes against humanity could garnering anyone some votes, even peddling such an idea is a sign of serious failing in our moral fabric. How would one then despise a criminal state or a Narco state? are we selective in condemning criminal enterprise?
Why do we see politics in every event, crimes seem ok if its the other side at loss.
Instead of making time to remember those burnt in churches, pulled out of Matatu's and hacked by rusty panga's and those who have been probably forever separated from their land and property we see them as pawns in the political chessboard. Conveniently used and tossed.
And the Mutahi's are there to feed this psychosis and cheer the party on. Why cant they and we be bigger and ask.......What we should be asking!
Did the crimes happen?, did anyone among us commit them? are we addressing it?
Could we be shouting hoarse for Barnabas to be let go.
Before the politics, lets demand accountability......from all sides of the divide.....let the suspects prove their case and the victims have their closure.
WE NEED TO WAKE UP.
Remember ........
Kiambaa church
Naivasha Highway
Nairobi Slums
Burnt Forest
Molo
Not just Ruto, Raila, Uhuru, Kalonzo........
Then we shall see how sickening such armchair analysts can be......Would you be discussing the menu in a sinking ship.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 24, 2012 17:11:30 GMT 3
Daniel Waweru,
Its pretty pedestrian to drag parties into the sad events that occurred. Lazy and simplistic at best.
No one disputes that the 4 belonged to parties but to ascribe violence to all simply by party affiliation displays serious lack of common sense.
In your warped thinking is one therefore exonerated simply by shifting parties like Ruto did?
Don't bother answering..... its a rhetorical question.....seems you need the clarification.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 24, 2012 16:43:40 GMT 3
Githu the spanner boy for the emasculation of the masses.
It seems the 4 (nay 2) will again clutch at legal straws at the expense of the state.
Sadly, they can jump and shout all they want but the wheels of justice are turning, not at the speed one may desire, not netting all the culprits but setting the example for future generations.
'individual capacity' now that's how you know someone has run out of options......
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Post by justfacts on Jan 23, 2012 22:18:55 GMT 3
Kibaki statement is the same goverment 'resistance' we have seen throught out the journey to ICC. A prelude to yet another opportunity to waste public funds in personal legal tribulations of the 4 (or is it 2) individuals.
The appeal statements by the 'confirmed' are borne of the need to do or seen to be doing something. What will they say now that they had not said b4......more of the same will only yield same results.
All the statements made today by the Bensauda 4 and the prezzo are attempts to feign having some control of the situation.......a consolation to their troops and to themselves.
The chance for control passed with the 'don't be vague' declarations. In Kenyan courts they could have cobbled up some legal mumbo jumbo to go free ala Goldenberg.
Now they can only react to events which are increasingly taking a turn for the worst.
This is the time for the victims the 'watu wadogo' who have to rely on foreign benevolence/interference (whichever way you see it) to see some justice as their taxes are wasted to pamper the mighty who trample on them as they jostle for power.
This is a win for the IDP's, the peasant farmers and shopkeepers. still forgotten in camps and road shoulders, who even today did not get a mention in most of the 'strange' statements from the press conferences.
May justice and peace prevail.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 17, 2012 22:10:42 GMT 3
A clandestine meeting is held and one of the conspirators decides to snitch on his colleagues. He uses his real name to do it and belatedly realizes that he has exposed himself to danger and closes his handle. The unwitting 'Dr' then channels is allegations thru the Admin who willingly post unverified claims in what borders on or is defamation.....This is first.
Secondly, based on motive, this claims hold no water, i think RV MP's have more to worry about than the escapades of MM. And given the ICC era no sane politician would toy with such thoughts especially at this time.
My deduction would be that this whole 'wanataka kunimaliza' tale is a seed planted to suggest that RAO is misusing RV MP's supposedly just like he did with Ruto.
In high octane situation as this, as pointed in this thread MM may get what he and/or his handlers are singing of each day as we all know where the blame would go. With the repeated cries of wolf, just like in the tale, if one day the real wolf does come, no one will take his word for it.
Freedom of expression should not be license to make all a manner of claims just because you can.... and i concur with Adongo...... Jukwaa should remain a reasoned podium of critique not a cheap sleaze forum. Lets not compete with Kenya's gutter press.......or Mashada's of the world..... Lets stop this ............
I may be wrong but i wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 13, 2012 21:59:00 GMT 3
Like MM the ego that gave DCJ a false sense of entitlement has come to haunt her....... and now she will take a stand on the opposite side of the bench quite a humbling experience.
Guilty or not, i am impressed the JSC saw it fit to set high standard of integrity.....and all this before utumishi kwa wote concludes its 'investigations'. Thankfully there were parallel processes as it should have been. The boys were already muddying the waters.
All the best to the 2 ladies in this drama one of them will definitely come down. I bet none had a clue this is how their 2012 would start but they crossed paths and the rest is now up to the tribunal......And as expected in most gripping plots, the public is with the underdog.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 10, 2012 0:13:40 GMT 3
There goes the police......how predictable
If DN is to be believed they have reduced this to a 'he said she said' case between a simple guard and a top judicial official and in the same sweep, dismissed the most crucial video evidence and have one of their own denying the existence of a gun .......... a case doomed to fail ab initio.
'Let the police investigate' ? ..........after serious efforts ...the conclusion is always the same....... they are not be able to tell if its a duck or a chicken...... Its like such conclusions are etched in their Kiganjo training manual.
In the battle of words between wenyenchi and wananchi we all know how it goes.......
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Post by justfacts on Jan 8, 2012 20:32:56 GMT 3
Its too early in the game to see where things go, just a few months back it seemed the Uhuru Ruto brigade was unassailable but now it is all but a distant memory. And now that kind of mud-sling-politics is tired old news.
The decisive date for all the main protagonists for 2012 is the ICC verdict. That will change the game more than the outcome of Koech - Ruto rivalry. That date will see Ruto gain renewed traction or fizzle out of the political scene for good. For now its probably better for him to take time out.
Secondly, in the past two elections the winning parties were cobbled up within weeks to the poll date so its of less importance whether Ruto takes the reigns in UDM than what force he can martial more or less along tribal lines like the rest of other contenders. With that it won't matter if he joins even a party named after some vehicle component.
Mutua comments are more on current sway of political winds rather than long or even mid term outlook. He can seem very right today but tomorrow the wind blow the other way and he aptly pens an analysis in the same direction. This comes out more so when i compare him to Mutahi Ngunyi before he went off the rails from the very same 'regions leading news publication.'
ICC is giving sleepless nights to all contenders to the throne - and the game begins when the 2 ICC big shots are weeded out (or not) from the race to the house on the hill. And that too is only weeks (or days) away......
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Post by justfacts on Jan 5, 2012 21:26:24 GMT 3
Sadik,
You give a lot of trust to our police who easily bend to the whims of the high and mighty.
In other current news in Kenya it was reported that 3 suspects were arrested on suspicion of stealing over 300 hundred bags of sugar after the loot was traced to Eastleigh. In true Kenyan fashion they were not only released but the bulk of the sugar disappeared while it was supposed to be held as evidence. An influential person was said to be behind the whole thing.
This is the nature of our police. I would fully trust them in the process of 'investigation' to make the CCTV video disappear, it already seems they are already using their stations as venues for the DCJ to again confront the woman.
'Let the Police investigate' is a tired line used by among others drug smugglers, murderers and corrupt elite.
DCJ holds public office and police investigations do not preclude all other mechanisms.
In any case why cant she ask for the CCTV to be aired to the public which she serves. This is a valid thing to ask given the background of heightened security and reforms in the judiciary. She cannot now claim to be media shy as she got her job interview in full glare of the TV cameras plus all will judge for themselves who among the 2 is slanting the facts.
Why did she feel the need to apologize? That shows a wrong was done from her part what is to be established is the extent of the wrong and the poor lady has all the right to demand to be treated right as human undertaking her duty.
Without the benefit of the video this fit of rage is probably not worthy for her to lose her job nor is it acceptable for Morara to be treated like a lesser being.
That why i see a win - win situation is the DCJ at least has gotten 'known' by Morara and she can get some $$$ for the humiliation she underwent while sparing herself publicity seeking lawyers and advisers.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 5, 2012 20:38:37 GMT 3
The attempts this man has made to remain unaccountable to the public raises suspicion that he has got skeletons in his kabati.
He is now taking up the antics of Atwoli, Omtata and Orie Manduli but the comparison end where the trio are motivated by attempts to champion 'worthy' causes while this old man appears more and more to be chasing a paycheck while acting an agent for mischevious others.
A respectable public servant does not fight tooth and nail for office using dodgy tactics like this Mzee, but master the courage of Githongo and Lumumba to step aside when they feel they are not able to deliver on their job due to 'outside forces.'
What is it with irrelevant old men who think they can lord over us after lame attempt to launder their past through media statements.
Kiplagat should start a club with Kivuitu if he feels the urge to keep himself busy as surely he doesn't deserve to hold public office let alone lecture a Sunday school on ethics.
That he is this desperate to head efforts to address our dark and violent past with TRUTH and JUSTICE makes it even more sad.
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Post by justfacts on Jan 5, 2012 20:00:54 GMT 3
In this saga i tend to believe the poor lady's side of the story. But what is the best step for her to take.
As a persons what would she gain in having the DCJ resign?
If she took the matter to court and wins (a tall order in Kenya) does the justice system allow her to get monitory damages? what is better for her? to prove her point or get some financial benefit out of this mess. A few thousand on hand is better than a pat on the back.
My take would be that she settles with the arrogant DCJ who appears to have been cornered. Her career and reputation is precarious and am sure she would be eager to see the end of this embarrassing episode.
The silver lining is that Kerubo who suffered the 'shida' of not being able to 'know people' now definitely knows her. And she has a pinched nose and sore knees to prove it.
Am sure the DCJ now wishes she would have stayed unfamiliar to the lady.
Oh the price of being known.
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Post by justfacts on Dec 22, 2011 0:05:05 GMT 3
kathurekebaara41,
My apologies for hijacking what may have been intended as a Feminist thread . As you reminisce about such and such... and all that was lost in 1988.
Define: Kenyan Woman and who has conspired to keep her down??
Do all Kenyan females fit into the 'Kenyan Women' supposed selfless, all suffering, unappreciated tag.
I suspect this is what Kasuku is asking, and if that be the case i see no insult but curiosity . Insult would be to bring his mother into it. And what made you conclude she would fit into your 'Kenyan Women' tag.
Those of us who cherish the women in our lives and would object to such ambiguous tags.
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Post by justfacts on Dec 18, 2011 19:43:18 GMT 3
Mank,
I recognize and is in no way diminishing the effort of Maumau. Their plight was indeed a just one. But the question is what constitutes winning?
You allude to the fact that Maumau went underground and was hunted in forests until 1960 that is already enough proof they were a diminished force. At which point did they come from bush hideout to victory? under whose leadership? and what is there to show for it?
In their effort they left an estimated body count of 2,000 African loyalists, 29 Asians and a paltry 95 of their main target- the settlers many of whom were civilians. Makes one wonder who indeed they were fighting. This is the same practice of Uganda's LRA and i dare say symptomatic of a group that could not reach its main target so aims at symbolic targets.
Also notice Lancaster was not peace talks or ceasefire talks but hand over talks. If they were the agents that forced such talks to occur it is improbable they would be omitted from the talks but they were. This shows they were dispensable. Not only to the colonizer but to the post independence government who totally ignored their existence except in rhetoric.
Colonization consisted of 2 main players imperial civil service run from London and the settler exploiting the land. When the former, made broke by WW2 coupled with shifting world politics realized that continued hold on Africa colonies was unappealing in political and economic terms. They negotiated to have the interest of the latter taken care of. prominent of which was the respect of land titles. That is why independence in 'British East Africa' was:
Uganda- 1962 Kenya -1963 Tanzania- 1964
You cannot refuse to notice this trend.
Any claim at victory is wishful thinking divorced from reality. Maumau did not get control or say on the land nor government nor even a say in how public life ran after 1963 not even a symbolic national holiday.
Take a keen look and you will notice that Jamuhuri and Madaraka days were used to mark the milestones of hand over of government (as decided by UK) NOT any victory. In commemorating these days Maumau was mentioned only as lip service and to date their surviving members and descendants complain of being ignored--and they WON the war?!!
That serious atrocities were committed to suspected Maumau and their supporters is not in doubt but Maumau can only rightfully pride itself in offering resistance but not in Victory.
Sad but true.
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Post by justfacts on Dec 15, 2011 21:36:49 GMT 3
Hassan is guilty of the crime of being BOLD on a matter that many would want to wish away.
Granted his article has elicited passions but all it should do is trigger debate on whether it had a factual basis or not before one hits him with cherry picked sections from the constitution.
As the saying goes any fool in error can find a chapter in the bible to back him up-- the same seem to apply to the constitution.
The main difference between Omar and Alfie is that the latter is a salaried mouth piece, one needs to take a mental note that " views represented by him do not necessarily reflect those of the entire government." before stamping them with the contempt they often deserve.
I am yet to come across any statement from this chap that is free from political slanting despite sifting through his pedestrian legalese and jumbled press conferences that unamused media houses have delegated to rookie journalist.
Hassan's article was neither revealing nor incitefull. It reflects what many have said elsewhere even here in Jukwaa. The only distinction it has is that it was sharp and came from a man in public office who has never been a darling of 'wakubwa.' in government.
NCIC- this is too hot to handle, so just retreat to your usual empty barking and threats.
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Post by justfacts on Dec 15, 2011 20:51:02 GMT 3
"Uhuru tulipigania ama tulipewa"--This quote is often credited to Kenyatta.
Seems the Mzee may have had his doubts. Methinks Tulipewa and here is why:
Independence was negotiated at Lancaster House at a time and place chosen by the colonialist as an exit strategy. Negotiators representing Kenya did not include Maumau!
Independence came in 1963, Maumau's Vita ended in 1956 with its leader capture, tried, hanged and buried in an unmarked grave. Not how a victory script should read.
Uhuru government was made up largely of Collaborators and a spill over from colonial civil service like the famous post independence Agriculture Minister Mr. Mckenzie the exact same people Kimathi was against and who suffered his purge.
Kenyatta had British education, wife and kid, not exactly the character to give power to. He denied any links to them before and after 1963. In any case power logically should have gone to the victor (Maumau?)!
Settlers title to land are still legally recognized. Those who left sold their land on willing buyer/willing seller basis. That explains why the likes of Chomondley family still owns a farm half a century after independence. What did they fight for again?
African nations that did not fight for independence still got it around the same time as Kenya. If a hint was needed that the Brits in Africa had decided to call it quits anyway.
Maumau was a valid land rights agitation but to say they had border integrity of kenya from Lamu to Turkana in their agenda is stretching facts.
Maumau fought the colonialist YES but they LOST and the so called 'Natives' still had to buy back their land from the supposed LOSERS -settlers (Yeomen Treaty and all....) the government went on to botch the resettlement process, a matter that has grown to have an emotive legacy today.
Stories like the one above sound nice and patriotic (Field Marshals ...et al) but we should be candid enough to notice our history has often had a healthy dose of propaganda. It worked in the 60's and beyond, but illiteracy was low and we needed a 'feel good factor' to marshal together as the Country was at its infant stage.
We should know better now and dare to CONNECT THE DOTS.......
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Post by justfacts on Nov 19, 2011 18:30:28 GMT 3
Miguna sit down.
You are an attention seeker miffed that the spotlight is no longer shining on you. Even ‘The star’ is tired of your tirades. Sane mind can spot balanced critique from unmitigated propaganda.
You could have gone quietly with your dignity, but nooooo. Now, get used to being irked that your rants (like this one) will be taken with a wheelbarrow of salt. Advice your new ‘comrades’ to give worthy material to work with, not these juvenile shouts of ‘wolf’. You give yourself more importance than you merit.
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Post by justfacts on Nov 15, 2011 22:14:36 GMT 3
Here is what comes to mind when I think of Kibaki
As a person Amekaliwa (How many people has Lucy slapped or sacked?) Inept (thanks to the first families antics) Abusive (starting from his driver going out)
As a president Detached (or hands off according to Uhuru) Indolent (To all manner of corruption and trafficking) Dissapointing (Currency fluctuations, security, basic commodity prices) Deceitful (MOU,IDP, elections, Constitution) Elitist (Kuregarega is not a choice to many unemployed youth)
And now my ratings: as a: politician : 7 (He has survived from Kenyatta's era) statesman : 3 (Weak on border integrity, ICC, PEV, Mungikis and such) MP : --- Not quaified to comment President : 3 ( IDP ,food security, food prices, strikes, corruption)
Happy birthday and good riddance…..(soon)
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Post by justfacts on Nov 15, 2011 21:07:16 GMT 3
Miguna was noted for his acerbic critique of ODM opponents, until that became a liability to Team RAO and he had to be dropped. I would give his views some credibility if he had willingly stepped aside from OPM but now his articles are just the rumbling of a disgruntled ex -employee.
They only confirm the obvious, that he was a praise singer whose profile was boosted by posturing as a Moi era victim and whose western degree and elephantine ego afforded a false air of invincibility. If he truly believed in his strong support for Raila until a few months ago what has radically changed in the man or the party since then? What’s with the quick about turn? Suddenly Raila and ODM are the devils because they stopped sending the cheque?
This sudden transformation expose him as a man with much verbose but double faced to the core. Strong on pseudo intellectual chatter but lacking in convictions. No different from a man who changes religion just because he was dropped from a church committee- In this respect atheist are better than pretend church folk at least they steadfast in their belief or lack thereof.
We know Miguna can write well we just don’t know what he believes in. And from his recent rumblings he is a man who will believe in anything if the price is right and the cheques keep coming.
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Post by justfacts on Nov 8, 2011 22:56:07 GMT 3
Tuju’s strong points are his eloquence, his face, lack of corruption and his standing up to RAO dominance in Nyanza.
Eloquence is a good thing but only if it can reach the masses in their language. His attempt to dumb down through Sheng fell flat on the first step and was on the wrong platform, how many Mashinani folks check out stuff on Youtube?
His face (read: youthfulness and some say handsomeness-which had a bad ricochet on Kalonzo) can bag him a few votes from urban middleclass who admire his finesse, American style campaign bus and who dare to live out their pretence of tribe neutrality.
As far as it is known in the public domain he is Mr. Clean, like many before him this could be lack of opportunity. I distinctly remember Kibaki inauguration (the daylight one) where he said corruption will stop being a way of life in Kenya. Look where we are now!
And also in that event one Daniel Moi was pelted with projectiles before international media and delegates- but I guess he was our pet hate then and so no need for a raised finger.
Has Tuju built a coalition of point men who can move their weight to meet the minimum votes spelt in the constitution countrywide? Is he intending to go to the trenches? The weekend funerals, engage in the to and fro heated sound bites with other contenders? And stop by for some roadside gathering in Kimwarer. I find all this too low class for his taste.
Final verdict! this guy is majoring in the minor. An elitist snob who is just but an untainted and refined version of Ruto, only closer to Bondo. Remove RAO and his agenda is lost. My only question to him would be WHO SENT YOU? Maybe this is what Kisumu residents wanted to know and went about it the hooligan way- totally out of line.
About NCIC? -Just another ineffectual bunch of busybodies bleeding the budget just like Brand Kenya, Government spokesman, Vision 2030 et al.
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