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Post by kamalet on Mar 29, 2012 15:52:32 GMT 3
I think there are just too many idlers in our society including this Wainaina character.
It is one thing for the parliamentary committee to summon people and another to attend and be helpful to the committee.
Now the dossier being investigated for authenticity was not written by the NSIS or the police or Saitoti for that matter. If you are not the author how do you authenticate the validity of a document if it is true or a fake??
I can imagine Gichangi or Iteere telling the committee that they cannot confirm or deny if the document is authentic and the message this tells the ordinary mwananchi. If they cannot confirm does that mean the document could be a true document and if the did on what authority would they determine it???
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Post by kevoh on Mar 29, 2012 20:24:22 GMT 3
I think there are just too many idlers in our society including this Wainaina character. It is one thing for the parliamentary committee to summon people and another to attend and be helpful to the committee. Now the dossier being investigated for authenticity was not written by the NSIS or the police or Saitoti for that matter. If you are not the author how do you authenticate the validity of a document if it is true or a fake?? I can imagine Gichangi or Iteere telling the committee that they cannot confirm or deny if the document is authentic and the message this tells the ordinary mwananchi. If they cannot confirm does that mean the document could be a true document and if the did on what authority would they determine it??? these guys are the INTELLIGENCE for a reason. if it was you in the NSIS you would have just given up because You dont know anything about such. But there is a job description on just checking the authenticity of documents and certificates etc. One thing with paper is it can be traced back and especially if it has passed though a printer even if it looks blank after printing. same as IP address etc. The CID and NSIS can get help from interpol for free on such an issue but they are buying time or telling those who do not know that it is impossible. |
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 29, 2012 20:45:23 GMT 3
I think there are just too many idlers in our society including this Wainaina character. It is one thing for the parliamentary committee to summon people and another to attend and be helpful to the committee. Now the dossier being investigated for authenticity was not written by the NSIS or the police or Saitoti for that matter. If you are not the author how do you authenticate the validity of a document if it is true or a fake?? I can imagine Gichangi or Iteere telling the committee that they cannot confirm or deny if the document is authentic and the message this tells the ordinary mwananchi. If they cannot confirm does that mean the document could be a true document and if the did on what authority would they determine it??? these guys are the INTELLIGENCE for a reason. if it was you in the NSIS you would have just given up because You dont know anything about such. But there is a job description on just checking the authenticity of documents and certificates etc. One thing with paper is it can be traced back and especially if it has passed though a printer even if it looks blank after printing. same as IP address etc. The CID and NSIS can get help from interpol for free on such an issue but they are buying time or telling those who do not know that it is impossible. Some people have missed the point. A major issue right now is Gichangi refusing to show up when summoned by the committee. His excuse about needing to first get legal advice is pathetic. He has in the past shown up in parliamentary committees; why and for what does he need legal advice now? In any case, what type of legal advice does he need before he has been asked even a single question? If he needs legal advice, he can take a lawyer with him to a meeting and then answer questions or seek an adjournment to get more advice. Here is Gichangi's problem: If he shows up and says the documents are fake, then questions get asked. Questions that might lead clearly to who is behind all this. And one thing he has learned is that giving out information thinking it will get die in some commissiony report in Kenya can come back later and bite him in the [REDACTED]. On the other hand, if he says they are authentic, and it is clearly shown that they are not, then his competence to hold his position comes into question. He has taken the middle approach: dilly-dally and hope it all goes away, which, this being Kenya, is very likely. His problem, though, is that this is Kenya: those MPs on committees get extra, daily sitting allowances for such work, so they will meet and meet and meet and keep going on and interviewing everyone they can lay their hands on (except the people who brought the documents into parliament). All for the benefit of our Beloved Country. They have also announced that they will have to take a trip to the UK House of Commons, in order to be thorough in their investigations, and I would not be surprised in, in their dedication to serving our Beloved Country, they did not throw in a trip to Amsterdam and the Hague as well. The cynical might look at the handsome daily allowances they get on such trips, as well as the opportunity to enjoy the beauty English and Dutch flowers in Spring-bloom and to take in a bit of shopping, but I fully support them for their willingness to be away from their families as they pursue the truth, for the greater glory of the Beloved Country. |
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Post by tnk on Mar 29, 2012 20:56:31 GMT 3
these guys are the INTELLIGENCE for a reason. if it was you in the NSIS you would have just given up because You dont know anything about such. But there is a job description on just checking the authenticity of documents and certificates etc. One thing with paper is it can be traced back and especially if it has passed though a printer even if it looks blank after printing. same as IP address etc. The CID and NSIS can get help from interpol for free on such an issue but they are buying time or telling those who do not know that it is impossible. Some people have missed the point. A major issue right now is Gichangi refusing to show up when summoned by the committee. His excuse about needing to first get legal advice is pathetic. He has in the past shown up in parliamentary committees; why and for what does he need legal advice now? In any case, what type of legal advice does he need before he has been asked even a single question? If he needs legal advice, he can take a lawyer with him to a meeting and then answer questions or seek an adjournment to get more advice. Here is Gichangi's problem: If he shows up and says the documents are fake, then questions get asked. Questions that might lead clearly to who is behind all this. And one thing he has learned is that giving out information thinking it will get die in some commissiony report in Kenya can come back later and bite him in the [REDACTED]. On the other hand, if he says they are authentic, and it is clearly shown that they are not, then his competence to hold his position comes into question. He has taken the middle approach: dilly-dally and hope it all goes away, which, this being Kenya, is very likely. His problem, though, is that this is Kenya: those MPs on committees get extra, daily sitting allowances for such work, so they will meet and meet and meet and keep going on and interviewing everyone they can lay their hands on (except the people who brought the documents into parliament). All for the benefit of our Beloved Country. They have also announced that they will have to take a trip to the UK House of Commons, in order to be thorough in their investigations, and I would not be surprised in, in their dedication to serving our Beloved Country, they did not throw in a trip to Amsterdam and the Hague as well. The cynical might look at the handsome daily allowances they get on such trips, as well as the opportunity to enjoy the beauty English and Dutch flowers in Spring-bloom and to take in a bit of shopping, but I fully support them for their willingness to be away from their families as they pursue the truth, for the greater glory of the Beloved Country. your last para is hilarious. true but damn funny. gichangi is well aware of the options and perhaps even much more than is in the public domain. and is even more craftier than the schemers. i think if this thing hits the fan ...... so gichangi is making sure that doesn't happen |
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 29, 2012 21:58:21 GMT 3
I think there are just too many idlers in our society including this Wainaina character. It is one thing for the parliamentary committee to summon people and another to attend and be helpful to the committee. Now the dossier being investigated for authenticity was not written by the NSIS or the police or Saitoti for that matter. If you are not the author how do you authenticate the validity of a document if it is true or a fake?? I can imagine Gichangi or Iteere telling the committee that they cannot confirm or deny if the document is authentic and the message this tells the ordinary mwananchi. If they cannot confirm does that mean the document could be a true document and if the did on what authority would they determine it??? You are adopting some cheap excuse I have seen in some internet websites not known for having any intelligent discourse. The NSIS is paid handsomely by the taxpayer to do intelligence work for the country. Here we have a document produced in the National Assembly of the Republic of Kenya alleging that the president of the country is in danger of being hounded to jail and you want to tell us that the NSIS will be unable to determine if the document and/or the allegations are false or not? Really? Can they figure out if the president is dead or alive after he has been buried for ten weeks? Can they distinguish betweena donkey and a horse or will they say that is too difficult to figure out? What do we pay these people to do? We surely don't pay them to protect criminals like those forging this documents and trying to menace the country. You are also imputing that the commissioner of police and the entire police force being paid to keep the country safe from criminals and to investigate criminal activities and arrest perpetrators can and in fact should abandon their duties and either refuse to address the committee or go there and lie that they cannot determine if the document is false or not. Is it any wonder that we have so much mess in the country when some people put their political interests and mischief above the interests of the country called Kenya. It is absolute nonsense to claim that the police and NSIS can only know something is false or not if they wrote it. There is a reason normal countries have a police force and security services. Their job is not to protect criminals and when they do we have the situation we have today when some individuals are sweating in their pants because the ICC has come knocking. The police should not only be able to figure out if these documents are fake or not they have an obligation to Kenyans to arrest and prosecute those who forged these documents to cause mischief. Are we going the ICC to help us with forgers trying to cause havoc in the country? |
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Post by njugunajohn on Mar 30, 2012 9:54:13 GMT 3
I think there are just too many idlers in our society including this Wainaina character. It is one thing for the parliamentary committee to summon people and another to attend and be helpful to the committee. Now the dossier being investigated for authenticity was not written by the NSIS or the police or Saitoti for that matter. If you are not the author how do you authenticate the validity of a document if it is true or a fake?? I can imagine Gichangi or Iteere telling the committee that they cannot confirm or deny if the document is authentic and the message this tells the ordinary mwananchi. If they cannot confirm does that mean the document could be a true document and if the did on what authority would they determine it??? You are adopting some cheap excuse I have seen in some internet websites not known for having any intelligent discourse. The NSIS is paid handsomely by the taxpayer to do intelligence work for the country. Here we have a document produced in the National Assembly of the Republic of Kenya alleging that the president of the country is in danger of being hounded to jail and you want to tell us that the NSIS will be unable to determine if the document and/or the allegations are false or not? Really? Can they figure out if the president is dead or alive after he has been buried for ten weeks? Can they distinguish betweena donkey and a horse or will they say that is too difficult to figure out? What do we pay these people to do? We surely don't pay them to protect criminals like those forging this documents and trying to menace the country. You are also imputing that the commissioner of police and the entire police force being paid to keep the country safe from criminals and to investigate criminal activities and arrest perpetrators can and in fact should abandon their duties and either refuse to address the committee or go there and lie that they cannot determine if the document is false or not. Is it any wonder that we have so much mess in the country when some people put their political interests and mischief above the interests of the country called Kenya. It is absolute nonsense to claim that the police and NSIS can only know something is false or not if they wrote it. There is a reason normal countries have a police force and security services. Their job is not to protect criminals and when they do we have the situation we have today when some individuals are sweating in their pants because the ICC has come knocking. The police should not only be able to figure out if these documents are fake or not they have an obligation to Kenyans to arrest and prosecute those who forged these documents to cause mischief. Are we going the ICC to help us with forgers trying to cause havoc in the country? It is very true that you and everyone else pays for the services of the NSIS, but what you fail to realize is that the NSIS, though created to safeguard your interests is not obliged to share the information they obtain with you. That's why it's a spy agency. It would be foolish for any spy agency to keep blurting out its secrets to everyone who feels he/she is more important than national interests. |
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Post by gemagema on Mar 30, 2012 10:49:57 GMT 3
Now, it looks like more photos of the ICC witnesses are out on the web. This is what i got on twitter. The message below was twitted by Ole Itumbi, however, he is not the one who uploaded the photos..at least so he claims. Dennis Itumbi @oleitumbi: "The Real Hackers have just posted online the photos of witnesses, well, check the link yourself bit.ly/H4sdfY" |
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Post by phil on Mar 30, 2012 16:17:22 GMT 3
Now, it looks like more photos of the ICC witnesses are out on the web. This is what i got on twitter. The message below was twitted by Ole Itumbi, however, he is not the one who uploaded the photos..at least so he claims. Dennis Itumbi @oleitumbi: "The Real Hackers have just posted online the photos of witnesses, well, check the link yourself bit.ly/H4sdfY"Yes, I saw that. Shocking isnt it? They have gone overboard. It's a conspiracy and am afraid the involvement of KP could be much deeper than we could care to imagine. |
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Post by job on Mar 30, 2012 16:17:44 GMT 3
Now, it looks like more photos of the ICC witnesses are out on the web. This is what i got on twitter. The message below was twitted by Ole Itumbi, however, he is not the one who uploaded the photos..at least so he claims. Dennis Itumbi @oleitumbi: "The Real Hackers have just posted online the photos of witnesses, well, check the link yourself bit.ly/H4sdfY"Posting family photos and revealing locations (& schools) all qualify for witness intimidation - punishable under the Rome Statutes. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 13, 2012 12:20:56 GMT 3
Scribe to ‘expose ICC dossier scandal’ A journalist at the centre of claims of hacking the ICC website has threatened to spill the beans on alleged interference with witnesses lined up to testify in cases facing the Ocampo Four at The Hague. Mr Dennis Itumbi told a parliamentary committee on Thursday he was conducting investigations into the alleged interference. “As an investigative journalist, yes, and I will expose it in a few days and you will be shocked,” he said at the meeting with the Defence and Foreign Relations committee. He also accused Mr Luis Moreno-Ocampo of recklessness in handling the information held by the ICC and said he was ready to show, through his investigations as a journalist, how the prosecutor was careless with information and the safety of witnesses. The UK dossier documents tabled in Parliament by Yatta MP Charles Kilonzo and Dujis MP Aden Duale on March 8 claim that the UK Government is at the centre of an alleged conspiracy relating to the ICC, claims the British Government has dismissed as fake and malicious and meant to destabilise Kenya. The dossier also mentions a head of mission as being involved in stage-managing the ICC witnesses. Mr Itumbi, a popular blogger with a considerable following on Twitter and Facebook and the owner of a stable of county papers, is being investigated by the police on the matter in regard to alleged hacking of ICC and Foreign Commonwealth Office emails. He was arrested and questioned but was released without charges. Share This Story Share Would be genuine At Thursday's session, he said he was not in a position to tell whether the document being investigated is genuine or not. He, however, said if police find him guilty of hacking, then dossier would be genuine. “If it is true I hacked the ICC server, the document is true,” he said at the session chaired by Wajir West MP Adan Keynan. Mr Itumbi, accompanied by lawyer Ashford Muriuki, also linked some human rights activists to the contentious dossier and said he would need more time to give an in-depth presentation on this. He said correspondence between Mr Maina Kiai, Mr Ken Wafula and former ICC witness David Korros and several other witnesses could have a bearing on the dossier in terms of authorship and promised to make a written submission next week. The others mentioned by the journalist were Mr Hassan Omar, Mr Wainana Ndungu, a former Swiss ambassador and Usaid. Responding to a warning by Ndaragwa MP Jeremiah Kioni against putting names of other people and institutions in disrepute, the journalist said he was ready to defend his utterances. “The emails did not come from me, they are available on nipate.com…the people who did it have not hidden it,” he said. The journalist said he found the material on www.nipate.com and he trusted the site. Mr Itumbi said Kenya needs courageous journalists who can fearlessly expose issues at whatever cost. “If the price to pay is to go to prison for telling the truth, then some of us will have to do it,” he said. He said the information he had could be accessed by anyone else as it was not classified material. Mr Itumbi has sued rival blogger Robert Alai over claims via social media that he authored the document that is being scrutinised. The committee will receive a written submission from the journalist on Monday. www.nation.co.ke/News/Scribe+to+expose+ICC+dossier+scandal/-/1056/1385510/-/item/1/-/fh99o8z/-/index.html |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 13, 2012 13:21:56 GMT 3
The dossier story is taking a very dangerous route...that could re-define the relationship Kenya has with the UK.
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Post by phil on Apr 13, 2012 15:01:59 GMT 3
The dossier story is taking a very dangerous route...that could re-define the relationship Kenya has with the UK. That is precisely what the forgers wanted. And there is very deliberate effort to keep Hon Charles Kilonzo's tabling of the forgeries an official record of the hansard in parliament. Kibaki's diplomatic gaffe of snubbing a special envoy sent by his U.K. counterpart, things can only get worse in the short term. Minister Henry Bellingham did not get audience with Kibaki during his recent visit to Kenya. But Kibaki is a lameduck president who is nearing his retirement so his actions for now can be understandably be reckless and for political expediency. In so far as the antics of Denis Ole Itumbi are concerned, he is but a drop in the ocean. Denis is pushing a political agenda against Ocampo and the ICC at the behest of individuals with vested interests in the Kenyan cases. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 13, 2012 15:18:49 GMT 3
Kamale & phil,
The pack of forged documents and lies in the so called dossier will have no impact on the relationship between Kenya and the UK. They know it is a heap of lies by desperate forces.
The significance of the lies is that it will be very harmful to the indicted suspects when the trial starts at the Hague. Don't ever imagines for a second that the OTP and the entire ICC machinery is not very closely following the whole circus. The lies bismirch the integrity of the ICC. That is something the ICC will never take lightly. The lies are also obviously orchestrated to offer defense and excuses for the suspects to play politics with the very serious charges they face. The whole plot shows just how dangerous and influential the suspects are in Kenya today.
It is not very hard for the OTP to link both Kilonzo and Duale to Uhuru and Ruto.
Wait for the trial to begin and see how this plays out. That is if the indicted suspects will master enough guts to go for trial.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 13, 2012 15:21:45 GMT 3
Scribe to ‘expose ICC dossier scandal’ A journalist at the centre of claims of hacking the ICC website has threatened to spill the beans on alleged interference with witnesses lined up to testify in cases facing the Ocampo Four at The Hague. Mr Dennis Itumbi told a parliamentary committee on Thursday he was conducting investigations into the alleged interference. “As an investigative journalist, yes, and I will expose it in a few days and you will be shocked,” he said at the meeting with the Defence and Foreign Relations committee. He also accused Mr Luis Moreno-Ocampo of recklessness in handling the information held by the ICC and said he was ready to show, through his investigations as a journalist, how the prosecutor was careless with information and the safety of witnesses. The UK dossier documents tabled in Parliament by Yatta MP Charles Kilonzo and Dujis MP Aden Duale on March 8 claim that the UK Government is at the centre of an alleged conspiracy relating to the ICC, claims the British Government has dismissed as fake and malicious and meant to destabilise Kenya. The dossier also mentions a head of mission as being involved in stage-managing the ICC witnesses. Mr Itumbi, a popular blogger with a considerable following on Twitter and Facebook and the owner of a stable of county papers, is being investigated by the police on the matter in regard to alleged hacking of ICC and Foreign Commonwealth Office emails. He was arrested and questioned but was released without charges. Share This Story Share Would be genuine At Thursday's session, he said he was not in a position to tell whether the document being investigated is genuine or not. He, however, said if police find him guilty of hacking, then dossier would be genuine. “If it is true I hacked the ICC server, the document is true,” he said at the session chaired by Wajir West MP Adan Keynan. Mr Itumbi, accompanied by lawyer Ashford Muriuki, also linked some human rights activists to the contentious dossier and said he would need more time to give an in-depth presentation on this. He said correspondence between Mr Maina Kiai, Mr Ken Wafula and former ICC witness David Korros and several other witnesses could have a bearing on the dossier in terms of authorship and promised to make a written submission next week. The others mentioned by the journalist were Mr Hassan Omar, Mr Wainana Ndungu, a former Swiss ambassador and Usaid. Responding to a warning by Ndaragwa MP Jeremiah Kioni against putting names of other people and institutions in disrepute, the journalist said he was ready to defend his utterances. “The emails did not come from me, they are available on nipate.com…the people who did it have not hidden it,” he said. The journalist said he found the material on www.nipate.com and he trusted the site. Mr Itumbi said Kenya needs courageous journalists who can fearlessly expose issues at whatever cost. “If the price to pay is to go to prison for telling the truth, then some of us will have to do it,” he said. He said the information he had could be accessed by anyone else as it was not classified material. Mr Itumbi has sued rival blogger Robert Alai over claims via social media that he authored the document that is being scrutinised. The committee will receive a written submission from the journalist on Monday. www.nation.co.ke/News/Scribe+to+expose+ICC+dossier+scandal/-/1056/1385510/-/item/1/-/fh99o8z/-/index.htmlThis guy Itumbi must take the Parliamentary committee for fool's? Hacking into peoples company/organizations computer or mail is a CRIME globally. and just because other people are doing it and are not being caught does not justify what Itumbi did.. Itumbi should be aware that each country has its own IT security specialist that take care of any inward threats to their government Cyberspace - " international news are full o Cyberswar/theft hackers trying to steal information from governments e.t.c Now back to ICC and UK for them to come out saying the document presented in parliament was a forgery, trust me they by now must have pinpointed the origins of the document and as for Itumbi's lack of sophistication when it comes to Hacking into peoples computers.. is telling.. this guy has no leg to stand on.. As for Itumbi's threat, I call it reverse Psychology, he is actually threatening those who put him to it/working for to hack into peoples emails e.t.c.. that he will spill the beans .. this Itumbi guy broke the Law by hacking he should be Jailed !! enuff said! The UK & ICC ain't fools may Itumbi can fool the parliamentary committee !! Kenyans will watch closely since Kenyans know some of this committees are just for cover-up .. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 13, 2012 15:29:25 GMT 3
Reporter,
Itumbi has already stated that he is ready to go to jail if unearthing the truth is what will take him there. So quit mourning louder than the bereaved.
PS: If the email exchanges I have read elsewhere on the internet are anything to go by, I am convinced that these documents are genuine. The refusal by British officials to be interviewed by the police is also too telling.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 13, 2012 15:42:59 GMT 3
Reporter, Itumbi has already stated that he is ready to go to jail if unearthing the truth is what will take him there. So quit mourning louder than the bereaved. PS: If the email exchanges I have read elsewhere on the internet are anything to go by, I am convinced that these documents are genuine. The refusal by British officials to be interviewed by the police is also too telling. Nonsense he should be already in jail just for for the fact that he hacked into peoples private mails!! that is a crimes in it self so lets not try to hide crime here. Those who shout loudest once they are caught are usually peddling lies.. Most enlightened & educated Kenyans are have not been fooled to think the documents are genuine.. As for British Officials being interviewed by Kenya Police? what a Joke, why don't the Police start by questioning and taking a Statement from the MP who tabled the forged document in Parliament? Ask him to confirm where or who handed it to him? alah.. With the shoddy way the Kenya Police handles most cases I don't blame the British Officials refusing to be interview by a police force that Kenya citizens themselves don't trust!! |
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 13, 2012 17:53:15 GMT 3
The dossier story is taking a very dangerous route...that could re-define the relationship Kenya has with the UK. "Patrons' Stand-Up Comedy" at my local pub is on Thursday nights. Please come along to the next one, and bring Itumbi if he is available. |
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 13, 2012 17:58:47 GMT 3
Reporter, Itumbi has already stated that he is ready to go to jail if unearthing the truth is what will take him there. So quit mourning louder than the bereaved. PS: If the email exchanges I have read elsewhere on the internet are anything to go by, I am convinced that these documents are genuine. The refusal by British officials to be interviewed by the police is also too telling. Nonsense he should be already in jail just for for the fact that he hacked into peoples private mails!! that is a crimes in it self so lets not try to hide crime here. Those who shout loudest once they are caught are usually peddling lies.. Most enlightened & educated Kenyans are have not been fooled to think the documents are genuine.. As for British Officials being interviewed by Kenya Police? what a Joke, why don't the Police start by questioning and taking a Statement from the MP who tabled the forged document in Parliament? Ask him to confirm where or who handed it to him? alah.. With the shoddy way the Kenya Police handles most cases I don't blame the British Officials refusing to be interview by a police force that Kenya citizens themselves not trust!! The MPs who tabled the documents are the last people anyone wants to question. Questioning them might quickly lead to the truth. The members of the parliamentary committee need to keep getting their handsome daily allowance for committee serivce, which means dragging things out even with Iteere saying he has hit a dead end and Gichangi pretty much telling them to REDACT off, and the CID and NSIS will not undertake any activities that will embarass their masters. Kazi iendelee. |
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Post by kamalet on Apr 13, 2012 21:24:18 GMT 3
Reporter, Itumbi has already stated that he is ready to go to jail if unearthing the truth is what will take him there. So quit mourning louder than the bereaved. PS: If the email exchanges I have read elsewhere on the internet are anything to go by, I am convinced that these documents are genuine. The refusal by British officials to be interviewed by the police is also too telling. Headteacher It is easy to how many people are actually willing this document to be a fake....but you can be certain if the victim on the dossier was Uhuru (and his ilk) the dossier would have been the gospel truth - bibilia ikae kando! |
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 13, 2012 21:49:30 GMT 3
Reporter, Itumbi has already stated that he is ready to go to jail if unearthing the truth is what will take him there. So quit mourning louder than the bereaved. PS: If the email exchanges I have read elsewhere on the internet are anything to go by, I am convinced that these documents are genuine. The refusal by British officials to be interviewed by the police is also too telling. Headteacher It is easy to how many people are actually willing this document to be a fake....but you can be certain if the victim on the dossier was Uhuru (and his ilk) the dossier would have been the gospel truth - bibilia ikae kando! yah!!yah!! instead of trying to twist the story using your buddy Uhuru.. Kenyans are very enlightened!!!a fake is a fake is a fake ivyo tu ;D why don't you post here if you think that the document is genuine Anyone qualified government examiners, private examiners or graphologists authenticity of the document report that supports your claim here.. alah! |
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Post by tnk on Apr 17, 2012 20:28:48 GMT 3
AG - Githu says he doesn't know whether doc is fake or not but takes the diplomats at their word that the dossier is fake
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Post by job on May 18, 2012 17:50:03 GMT 3
Ocampo's inquiry into witness intimidation!www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i_-Owzvj6GmsPQVztFZFoyCnRt4w?docId=CNG.dda6863647ffa68991a996ce33e96788.1d1Here comes Ocampo confirming that the ICC has instituted an inquiry into witness intimidation through the internet. It gets very interesting because the un-reformed portions of the Kenya Judiciary is rigidly fossilized in the bad old ways – they never learn! This is how it began. When Ocampo saw the antics of limelight-hogging wannabes craving for Uhuru’s attention (& cash) like the David Matsangas and Dennis Itumbis, he felt he had to protect ICC witnesses.  Dennis Itumbi - blogger who calls himself a freelance journalistOcampo immediately wrote an official complaint to Kenya’s Attorney General Githu Muigai. The AG (Githu) confirmed (through media), that he indeed received an official complaint from Ocampo that ( a) email accounts of ‘purported’ OTP witnesses were being hacked; and (b) ICC witnesses (in general) were being intimidated. Githu then went into the usual hoodwinking “springing into action” ol’ Kenya style. He pretended to direct the Police Commissioner, Director of CID, and Director of NSIS to “immediately and thoroughly investigate” the allegations then report back to him. He asked the DPP Tobiko to include these complaints as part of his “ongoing investigations into PEV”. Githu also “instructed” the Director of the Witness Protection Agency (created by Muthaura) to "exhaustively investigate the matter" and again…report back to him immediately. We were then treated to the spectacle of 20 heavily armed cops pouncing on Itumbi and “throwing” him into Kileleshwa police cells. Then the long wait began. Itumbi was soon out – back to his usual antics. Ocampo and everyone else read media stories such as this – where the Kenya Police failed to charge Itumbi: allafrica.com/stories/201203280082.htmlIt was business as usual. Silence from the CID, Police, DPP, and Githu himself. Apart from another hoodwinking seminar on witness protection – there was no sign of real action being taken on these serious allegations. Kumbe Ocampo was counting his days… Pap!!! He has now announced the ICC already instituted an inquiry into witness intimidation (especially via the internet) in the Kenyan cases. This is a formal probe where forensic and ICT experts are involved. It is ongoing. The reality is that witnesses who recant their statements can actually be charged in court, penalized heavy fines, and even asked to refund the resources already spent on them. But worse would be for the likes of Itumbi who are threatening or claiming to expose ICC protected witnesses. It is guaranteed that should the ICC probe prove that there was witness tampering, serious action would be taken – and the Ocampo 4 may bear collateral if not direct brunt as well.
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Post by kamalet on May 18, 2012 17:57:25 GMT 3
Job
If the powers that be cannot do anything about this alleged intimidation, how will Ocampo investigate without their help?
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Post by OtishOtish on May 18, 2012 19:50:12 GMT 3
Job If the powers that be cannot do anything about this alleged intimidation, how will Ocampo investigate without their help? How has he managed to investigate and bring 4 people to book, on the most heinous crimes known to humanity? |
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Post by OtishOtish on May 18, 2012 19:50:44 GMT 3
The dossier story is taking a very dangerous route...that could re-define the relationship Kenya has with the UK. And which route was that? Where did it lead? |
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