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Post by JAHAATWACH on Feb 6, 2008 18:00:09 GMT 3
I am lost on this one. Barry is clearly on the lead with more delegates and states yet Mrs Clinton is reportedly on a slight edge over him.
The last time I checked she had only 8 states in her basket while Obama had 13?
As far as I am concern Obama has been leading with more votes cast and as populist as they come has more broad based appeal.Where,then,is Clinton coming from?
Is it be because she is from the Emperor State and much,much more? Could it be because those shadowy- maniacal- business-as usual-Washington lobbyists that Obama has been waging a frontal war against are barracking Mr Obama?
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2008 19:07:15 GMT 3
Do you understand the principle of proportional representation as applied to distribution of delegates? That should solve your dilemma. And Hillary has more delegates because she won in the delegate-rich states. So you could have a bigger chunk of the popular vote cobbled together from smaller states but lose out when determining the number of delegates won state by state. Then they have the so-called super delegates......honestly why not just go by the popular vote?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 7, 2008 16:01:13 GMT 3
Hillary leads in the 'popular' vote numbers if I am not mistaken, by a few thousands.
But rules of engagement cant be changed midstream, like Judas KM kaloser kept agitating for prior to his defection to LPK.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Feb 7, 2008 17:07:55 GMT 3
Whats more? Obama,unlike the Senator from New York has proven to me that he has the staying power.
Imagine the mama's campaign kitty ran dry and she had to resort to her personal account to keep her campaign afloat.Going broke when the presidential campaign proper is yet to kick off is a political sin here in America.
All along we were made to believe that Hillary's war chest is invincible but the panic injection of $5M into her kitty exposes to me her soft underbelly.
Which leads me back to the question:Why is she being touted by section of influential media as a potential president when indications are that Obama has been scoring big time over her since the primaries kicked off? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Feb 8, 2008 16:32:02 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 12, 2008 3:57:01 GMT 3
Camp Hillary very worried. If Obama sweeps again tomorrow and gets one of the big three this thing is over with. In a sign of how radically the dynamic of the race has shifted in recent days, some Clinton staffers now privately concede Obama could lock up the nomination with a single win in Ohio or Texas on March 4, or in Pennsylvania on April 22www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/us/politics/12clinton.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin |
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Post by enigma on Feb 12, 2008 21:30:05 GMT 3
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Feb 13, 2008 15:00:36 GMT 3
Camp Hillary very worried. If Obama sweeps again tomorrow and gets one of the big three this thing is over with. In a sign of how radically the dynamic of the race has shifted in recent days, some Clinton staffers now privately concede Obama could lock up the nomination with a single win in Ohio or Texas on March 4, or in Pennsylvania on April 22www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/us/politics/12clinton.html?_r=1&hp&oref=sloginBarry is on a winning streak and doing damage to Hillary's support base but its not over until the fat lady take the stage. |
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Post by 50cents on Feb 14, 2008 3:31:51 GMT 3
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Post by mossad on Feb 14, 2008 4:43:21 GMT 3
This election has truned our heads into somthing more interesting than the madness going on in kenya.
There's fear in the clinton campaign about the new frontrunner Obama. Now Clinton has goneinto asking the DNC to recognize the results from florida and michigan where she won in the final draw to try to unseat obama. There's fear also that the superdelegates might rig in hillary believeing that she the best person to beat McCain whose now the eventual republican nominee. Now the divsion might occur dew to such riggings that are already planned and it might return the presidencey back to the republican. It will be interesing to see what hapens after texas and ohio which seem to be her last draw.
Mossad.
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Post by deyiengs on Feb 14, 2008 10:53:01 GMT 3
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Feb 14, 2008 15:23:55 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 14, 2008 22:26:24 GMT 3
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Post by 50cents on Feb 15, 2008 4:34:09 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 16, 2008 0:23:06 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Feb 16, 2008 7:33:51 GMT 3
Obama winning many small states without any of the big ones is like the oft repeated claim of Raila winning in 6 provinces and yet he did not bag the final vote.
That is Obama's predicament - fail to win Texas, Ohio and Penn and he can come to Kenya on holiday to chat up his nana.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 16, 2008 7:41:43 GMT 3
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Post by 50cents on Feb 16, 2008 15:26:21 GMT 3
Kamale, this is a contest where we must have winners and losers. Whether obama wins or loses will not be a big deal. The big deal that we hate is the banditry. Losing honourably is ok bro.
Was it not your idea of obama not going that far because of the memo R signed with the muslims since according to you they are 'brothers'. Remember the fake MOU. Seems like in yr world obama is a luo and must be stopped by all means.
FYI he is an American and the democrats must choose the best candidate who will rep' them in this race. As an insider, how do 'their' sleeping 'habit' change every time obama wins one more state?
As for me my girlfriend is a republican and how she wishes that Hillary wins this race.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 16, 2008 20:08:43 GMT 3
50c
It seems like 'some people' opine in a vacuum. The thing about the Hillary and Barack race is who tops the rave with the highest number of delegates. Look at this analysis below and it debunks the idiocy of Obama 'winning small states' and is unable to win those with large population.
State size distribution
At the end of the day, what matters is delegates. So let's split states into 4 categories depending on the number of pledged (i.e., electable) delegates (again, credits to the Obama campaign page linked above for furnishing those).
There are
7 Mega-states with over 140 pledged delegates;
11 Large states with 70-140 delegates;
16 Medium states with 30-69 delegates;
and 18 Small states with less than 30 delegates
(sums up to 52 as it should, since I include DC and Puerto Rico)
What are the scores in each category?
Mega-states are 2-1 Hillary, with 3 races remaining and 1 (still) disqualified.
Large states are 5-2-1 Obama, with 2 races remaining and 1 (still) disqualified.
Medium states are 6-4-1 Obama, with 5 races remaining.
and Small states are 7-0-4 Obama, with 7 races remaining.
There is certainly a pattern here - Obama mastering the small states (a strategy that worked well for Bush) and doing pretty well with medium and large states - but facing more difficult turf in mega-states. (UPDATE note: I don't think this is because Obama has an inherent problem with mega-states, but rather because most of these states happen to fall in turf more favorable to Hillary. However, trust the MSM to spin this as "Obama's big-state problem" - which they're already doing)
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Post by kamalet on Feb 17, 2008 12:55:10 GMT 3
Kamale, this is a contest where we must have winners and losers. Whether obama wins or loses will not be a big deal. The big deal that we hate is the banditry. Losing honourably is ok bro. Was it not your idea of obama not going that far because of the memo R signed with the muslims since according to you they are 'brothers'. Remember the fake MOU. Seems like in yr world obama is a luo and must be stopped by all means. FYI he is an American and the democrats must choose the best candidate who will rep' them in this race. As an insider, how do 'their' sleeping 'habit' change every time obama wins one more state? As for me my girlfriend is a republican and how she wishes that Hillary wins this race. If Obama gets the Democratic nomination, he will still not be a Kenyan or a luo for that matter. What you should be considering is what the Americans really want for themselves and if they will want him in the big states. That is the point of democracy, the popular one gets to lead. Is Obama the one? |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 17, 2008 18:20:01 GMT 3
Wisconsin is turning to Obama pole pole
Here in Tx, there is a mini Obama wave that we are working to turn into an ODM like tsunami. Had he had time Cali would have been closer than the ten points.
What PNU chauvinists who see Luo's and Luyhas in everything they despise or that benefits everyone and not them exclusively, is that Obama built his grass root machine from scratch and in a span of an yr!
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Post by 50cents on Feb 18, 2008 14:53:45 GMT 3
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Post by nereah on Feb 18, 2008 19:02:57 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 18, 2008 19:32:09 GMT 3
Texas Primary method is too complex for hillary to understand! www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/17/AR2008021702461.html?hpid=moreheadlinesSystem Worries Clinton Backers Delegates Won May Not Reflect Popular Vote By Matthew Mosk Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, February 18, 2008; A06 Supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton are worried that convoluted delegate rules in Texas could water down the impact of strong support for her among Hispanic voters there, creating a new obstacle for her in the must-win presidential primary contest. Several top Clinton strategists and fundraisers became alarmed after learning of the state's unusual provisions during a closed-door strategy meeting this month, according to one person who attended. What Clinton aides discovered is that in certain targeted districts, such as Democratic state Sen. Juan Hinojosa's heavily Hispanic Senate district in the Rio Grande Valley, Clinton could win an overwhelming majority of votes but gain only a small edge in delegates. At the same time, a win in the more urban districts in Dallas and Houston -- where Sen. Barack Obama expects to receive significant support -- could yield three or four times as many delegates. "What it means is, she could win the popular vote and still lose the race for delegates," Hinojosa said yesterday. "This system does not necessarily represent the opinions of the population, and that is a serious problem." |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 18, 2008 21:58:08 GMT 3
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