We have a deal!!!!!!!!

[dropmyload]

Annan on TV annouces we have a deal!!!!!!!!!!!

Details alter

[kmdo]

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080228/ap_on_re_af/kenya_election_violence

[JAHAATWACH]

"The BBC's Adam Mynott in the capital, Nairobi, cautions that this is not the first time there a deal has been announced between the government and Mr Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement (ODM). But he said that Mr Annan is giving the impression that this is a significant development""
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7268903.stm

[politicalmaniac]

Details Pliz!!

What the deal needs to entail

1) Full restoration of the right to public assembly. ODMers need to go mourn publickly, pay respects to the dead, and of course celebrate their hard won victory.

2) Real separation of powers with the PM having his(er) own sphere of authority and responsibility

3) Set the country on the path to REAL REFORM, via a constitutional overhaul within a certain period.

4) Hold elections soon, thereafter.

[wanjeeqoo]

The deal entails


1. Executive Prime Minister
2. 50:50 Representation in cabinet
3. The agreement to be entrenched in the constitution

[denno]

bbc broadcasting signing live

[gulavi]

Now comes the tricky part. The Healing Process. I hope everyone will be sincere and understands the magnitude of again ever trying to steal from the Good Kenyan folks. Now i may start concentrating on my work and studies here in Stavanger norway without thinking of how to move folks from point A to Point B. Life can be planned differently. If we are sincere the healing process will not take ages, needs to be introduced in schools and work places as compulsary Education, When people like Ali dont even understand tribalism, we have lots of work to do.

Today Will say it the African struggle styliii

Aluta Continua

Ongalo Makokha

[Titchaz]

Wandugu nina swali,

Je, who decides how many people make up the govt....mambo kama how many
ministries and the like?Is the PM answerable to the Prezo ama Parliament?

I like the deal but lets exhaust any loopholes kabla jamaa hajatupiga dole tena.

Now Kiswahili:

Nawapa akhsante lukuki wana-ODM wakiongozwa na kinara wao Raila Odinga kwa kuwakalia jamaa wa PNU kidedea mpaka suluhisho lipatikane.Ilibidi aje mwenyewe Rais Jakaya M. Kikwete kuleta ujumbe wa Bw. Joji Kichaka kwa hawa watu wa PNU...suluhisho lazima lipatikane, mwafaka lazima uwepo.Yaani hawa mabwana wa PNU wameonyesha wazi kuwa hawasikii mpaka watishiwe maisha yao na utajiri wao nd'o wasogee.Shinikizo aliloeka Bw Annan,Mkapa na Graca litawekwa kwenye kumbukumbu za historia ya Kenya kwa vizazi vijavyo na itakua kama kipa umbele kwa nchi zote za Afrika Mashariki zinazopigania demokrasia.Kwa ufupi bei
ya demokrasia sio rahisi na lazima tujitolee kwa hali na mali ilikieleweke.Kuna nyakati pia bei yake inaeza kua kifo na hapo naomba tuwakumbuke waliokufa katika hizi seketa za Mzee Kubaka akijaribu kuiba kura.Amin

Kwa muktadha wa suluhisho lililopatikana, je Kibaki kakubali aliiba kura?
Je Kalonzo Musyoka bado yupo kama mtu wa maana?
Je Wizara ya Sheria (Ministry of Justice and Const. affairs) itakua ya ODM ama PNU?
Je wale IDP's watarudi sehemu za awali ama nd'o imeshatoka?

Kwa hayo machache,naomba kuwasilisha.

[dola121945]

I must say I am a bit glad and breathing a sign of relief, I watched the signing of the agreements and some specifics of the details being outlined live by Dr. Annan and later on speeches by Kikwete, Raila and Kibaki. Very refreshing.
Interesting to note that Raila articulated his speech from memory while Kibaki read out his speech, then proceeded in Kiswahili as usual in the ....Hakuna ajaaaa...... type of speak.
Next week (March 6th) will be another milestone as parliament will ratify the agreements and amendments to the constitution, Aljazeera's Yvonne Ndege suggested and I also concur that it will be difficult for MPs to oppose the decision, ofcourse there will be afew who will but most will just want to move the country along!

I pray for my Beloved Kenya.... we need to pull through this and ensure it never happens again.

Dola

[nereah]

kenya yetu ni inchi ya ajabuu...!

tu sahau yalio pita tujenge taifaaa!

kenyaa ni inchi yetu.............

[nereah]

Here is the full text of the agreement:


ACTING TOGETHER FOR KENYA: AGREEMENT ON THE PRINCIPLES OF PARTNERSHIP OF THE COALITION GOVERNMENT.


Preamble:

The crisis triggered by the 2007 disputed presidential election has brought to the surface deep-seated and long-standing divisions within Kenyan society. If left unaddressed, these divisions threaten the very existence of Kenya as a unified country. The Kenyan people are now looking to their leaders to ensure that their country will not be lost.

Given the current situation, neither side can realistically govern the country without the other. There must be real power-sharing to move the country forward and begin the healing and reconciliation process.

With this agreement, we are stepping forward together, as political leaders, to overcome the current crisis and to set the country on a new path. As partners in a coalition government, we commit ourselves to work together in good faith as true partners, through constant consultation and willingness to compromise.

This agreement is designed to create an environment conducive to such a partnership and to build mutual trust and confidence. It is not about creating positions that reward individuals. It seeks to enable Kenya's political leaders to look beyond partisan considerations with a view to promoting the greater interests of the nation as a whole. It provides the means to implement a coherent and far-reaching reform agenda, to address the fundamental root causes of recurrent conflict, and to create a better, more secure, more prosperous Kenya for all.

To resolve the political crisis, and in the spirit of coalition and partnership, we have agreed to enact the National Accord and Reconciliation Act 2008, whose provisions have been agreed upon in their entirety by the parties hereto and a draft copy is appended hereto.


Its key points are:

* There will be a Prime Minister of the Government of Kenya, with authority to coordinate and supervise the execution of the functions and affairs of the Government of Kenya.

* The Prime Minister will be an elected member of the National Assembly and the parliamentary leader of the largest party in the National Assembly, or of a coalition, if the largest party does not command a majority.

* Each member of the coalition shall nominate one person from the National Assembly to be appointed a Deputy Prime Minister.

* The Cabinet will consist of the President, the Vice-President, the Prime Minister, the two Deputy Prime Ministers and the other Ministers. The removal of any Minister of the coalition will be subject to consultation and concurrence in writing by the leaders.

* The Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Ministers can only be removed if the National Assembly passes a motion of no confidence with a majority vote.

* The composition of the coalition government will at all times take into account the principle of portfolio balance and will reflect their relative parliamentary strength.

* The coalition will be dissolved if the Tenth Parliament is dissolved; or if the parties agree in writing; or if one coalition partner withdraws from the coalition.

* The National Accord and Reconciliation Act shall be entrenched in the Constitution.


Having agreed on the critical issues above, we will now take this process to Parliament. It will be convened at the earliest moment to enact these agreements. This will be in the form of an Act of Parliament and the necessary amendment to the Constitution.

We believe by these steps we can together in the spirit of partnership bring peace and prosperity back to the people of Kenya who so richly deserve it.

[adongo23456]

Dola and others

Yes, I think the deal is great. Kenyans owe a lot of gratitude to Kofi Annan and Jakaya Kikwete for finally helping to clinch the deal. Great job by the ODM negotiating team.

Kenyans are going to embrace this deal with unprecedented enthusiasm. People are tired and exhausted with the impasse. I think for whatever it is worth we should give Kibaki a break now and pour some cold water on the political rivalries between PNU and ODM.

There is still a lot to be done. The first thing is drafting the deal into a bill to be taken to parliament. That is usually the job of the Attorney General working with the Minister for Constitutional Affairs. There is ample evidence that Martha Karua and Kiraitu Murungi before her usually manipulate such bills and bring all sorts of partisan mischief. They did exactly that when all parties agreed on a a constitutional amendment bill for minimum reforms just before the elections.

If that minimum reform bill was passed Kenya would have been spared the whole mess we have seen because the bill provided for an automatic re-run if nobody gets 51% plus presidential votes. Instead Martha dragged her feet brought in a lot of crap with the bill including constituency boundaries etc and after the bill collapsed Kibaki himself ordered the minister to bring the amendment bill by itself to parliament. Obviously the same Kibaki must have told Martha to ignore his orders. The bill was never brought to parliament.

We just have to be very careful that kina Karua are not allowed to play games again. I would suggest that the A.G should work with constitutional law experts and reps from both sides in drafting the bill to actualize the deal. James Orengo has done a spectacular job as the primary legal authority within the ODM team. He should be seconded to help in drafting the bill.

Secondly I think both sides would do themselves a lot of good to start working in an atmosphere of mutual trust and cooperation. No side should be coming to the deal as if they are being dragged against their will. Even for PNU it is in their best interest to embrace the deal so that no side sees itself as the loser. There are no losers on the deal. The great winners are of course the Kenyan people. Congratulations to them for being steadfast.

PNU retains the presidency which still has a lot of power. They will get 50% of the cabinet. So they have no reason to feel bad. This deal gives Kibaki the credibility he had to get to be the president of Kenya. ODM also has made historic achievement for a party which has been in the trenches for most of its existence. The ODM is going to have a massive presence in parliament. They have the Speaker's position and now they are going to have the most important representative of the government in parliament in the name of the PM.

Kenya's parliament is going to be at the heart of the changes they country is waiting for. The coalition government has its work cut out for them. As we all know power sharing is not and can never be an end in itself. The questions ordinary Kenyans want to know and see is in terms of what will this government and new powerful parliament do address the real issues facing the citizens.

First on the list is economic revival, reconstruction of destroyed communities and towns, resettlement of IDP's, addressing the land problem, tackling issues of human rights and impunity of abusers, a real Truth Justice and Reconciliation Commission, completing a comprehensive overhaul of the constitution in 12 months, fighting tribalism and rebuilding trust between communities. There is enough work for everybody so I don't see any need for bickering between the parties.

In fact the BBC has announced an international donor's conference to be held in London for Kenya's reconstruction. The coalition government should upon its creation set up a mega ministry of national reconstruction as well as a National Reconstruction Fund to solicit funds from the government, from international donors as well as from the private sector. It is time to get to work.

The first thing that should be done after the deal is finalized in parliament is for Kibaki to dissolve the cabinet in its entirety and then work with the PM to constitute a new cabinet and then get to work. It might also be helpful for Raila and Kibaki to tour the country together talk to Kenyans and help renew the sense of nationhood among the diverse communities of Kenya.

We should also urge our M.P's to be independent and represent their constituents without fear. There is no opposition in parliament and that could cause trouble when nobody can ask the tough questions, all parties cover for each other and Kenyans are left holding the thick end of the stick particularly on matters of corruption and misuse of public resources.

Whichever way one looks at it, this was a historic day precisely two months after the infamous election fraud. I think Jukwaa folks should be very proud of themselves. We have been pretty much on the ball from the air, sea and on the ground. Now the real work begins. We will be there like never before.

adongo

[einstein]

Our God is a great God! May His name be lifted above every other name!! May His will be done on earth as in heaven!!! May He cover all Kenyans within His magnanimous cloth!!!!

Long Live Kenya, Viva Kenya, God bless Kenya!!!!! Amen.

[politicalmaniac]

From Nereah:

* The coalition will be dissolved if the Tenth Parliament is dissolved; or if the parties agree in writing; or if one coalition partner withdraws from the coalition.

So If ODM withdraws after lets say, PNU frustration then what? Elections?

There is nothing on ECK, nothing on the use or control of the security appartus to stem political dissent, nothing on how Ministries will be constituted or shared out, nothing on to whom the Ministers will report, nothing on Judicial reform to tackle immeadiate problems.....


From AO
*The first thing that should be done after the deal is finalized in parliament is for Kibaki to dissolve the cabinet in its entirety and then work with the PM to constitute a new cabinet and then get to work. It might also be helpful for Raila and Kibaki to tour the country together talk to Kenyans and help renew the sense of nationhood among the diverse communities of Kenya.

I hope that happens but doubt it will, the cabinet needs to go.
Also gen kegs has little political acumen, or capital to go around with R and start healing the nation. R is the charismatic one of the two and will upstage him and so it may not be in kegs best interest to do that. He will delegate it to the commision he put together led by Judas KM who is only slightly less loathed and reviled.

[50cents]

Still we have to give recognition to this government. Do jukwaans recognize kibaki as the 'duly elected' or as the 'president of the coalition government' of kenya.

Could someone clarify that this coalition is a transitional one and is just valid for the two years?

[wakwitu]

Wandugu wenzangu:
It has been an emotionally draining time for all. We have not gotten out of the forest yet, but this is the first step towards healing the country.
Every morning I open Kenyan web-news waiting for today's headline.
The challenge now is making it constitutional because you know there are people on both sides who will be up in arms either for not getting much or giving up too much.

My optimsim has been based on two factors:
1. The pressure on the ground from Kenyans and the threat of mass action
2. the international pressure has beeen unbearable for pnu regardless of their pronouncements. As the African saying goes " If you throw a stone among a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one which has been hit."...and boy did the stones rain down

Now if someone can exile Karua for month....[ ;)kidding]

[adongo23456]

PM

I appreciate your concerns about ECK and other reforms. But we have to keep one thing in mind. This deal only applies to item # 3 of the National Dialogue and Reconciliation Team headed by Kofi Annan. People should not mistake it as final and only product of the Peace Talks. Items # 1 & 2 had been resolved already and agreed upon. The trouble was without a deal on item # 3 all the others agreements became null and void.

Under item # 1 they agreed to a review of the whole electoral fiasco and fraud. That committee will include local and foreign experts. They will explore all aspects of the electoral process, before, during and after the 2007 elections. It is on the basis of the reports from this committee that parliament will enact laws to reform the ECK. So that is already done, they just have to put it into life.

Item # 2 was about dealing with perpetrators of electoral violence and ethnic cleansing. That is where the TJRC deal agreed on. The team should formulate specific process to be undertaken. They should not leave it open ended and at the mercy of the coalition government. I think this is where we need a lot of loud voices from human rights groups, civil society groups as well as victims of th post electoral violence to demand specific procedures and time lines be put in place before the whole deal is sealed.

And PM, the Kalonzo so called commission was a gimmick to try to upstage the talks. All that is now water under the bridge. The TJRC has to be established through an act of parliament not through road side or in this case hotel side declarations. In this one we don't need a constitutional amendment. I think this should be the next focal point of the team. Those of us in the human rights terrain have to work hard to get concrete deals just like the politicians did.

Also next is item # 4 on the long term solutions to issues like land reforms, equity in resource accessibility to Kenyans.

My point here is that within the team their work just began. They now can work with the confidence that the glue that was needed to seal the deal has been achieved. I suspect a lot of the hardliners are going to lose interest in the negotiations. They tend to be single item characters. That item is no longer in play thanks to a historic deal in Kenya, may be just as important as the 1963 national independence flag raiser deals. A new country is being born before our very eyes, just as another one was destroyed as we watched in horror. We are a lucky generation. Let's see what we are going to do with our luck.

adongo

[adongo23456]

This is the story according to the Standard.

www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143982557&cid=4

[JAHAATWACH]

The pen-to-patchment phase of this Annan mediation process have left me a little dazed.

Was the agreement signed today at Harambee House an intra-party deal or an agreement between the Government(State) as it is now and ODM?

Is the proposed 50-50 principle limited to Cabinet slots or entire public service?

I am also confused on the role of the Prime Minister. Will he be answerable to the cabinet or Parliament or President? And who will Chair cabinet? Who will the ministers report to?

Where does this leave fringe parties like Ngilu's Narc and Harun Mwau's Pick? What about Ford-K? And how will the Political Parties Bill apply?

[politicalmaniac]

AO
I apologize for lack of focus. I had lost my stream of thoughts, totally forgotten the talks other agenda items.

So I guess we just now have to wait and see how these so called two centers of power will function. What are the responsibilities and authority of those two centers?

The lines of demarcation must be simple and clear. I dont want back bitting and fitina and chopping of Rs legs, as it seems that kegs will still have retained significant power.

In real politik, score one for the lovers of democracy, majority of whom are ODMers. the days of the imperial President are done with.

JAHTWAACH
I too have many questions some of which you have asked.
Who gets what ministry?
As for the future, how will the President be selected/elected? and must they be of different parties? I guess the Bomas draft adoption will deal with them

[politicalmaniac]

adongo23456 said:

This is the story according to the Standard.

www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143982557&cid=4

EXECUTIVE PM, I HEARD THAT RIGHT?

NOT

THE TANZANIAN MODEL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So the VP will be without portfolio?
To whom will the VP report if he has portfolio? Judas answer this Please

[insidious]

I'd be cautious about rejoicing before the deal is entrenched into law.

[kmurungi]

Nation is reporting some good news, Cabinet positions will be shared proportionally according to party strength in Parliament."

this is an exerpt from the nation

"The deal provides that the PM will coordinate and supervise Ministers, while Cabinet positions will be shared proportionally according to party strength in Parliament."
they are for the 1st time reporting the true matters on the ground.

where are kamale,dubois and their likes this is the time we need them back at jukwaa

www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=117874

[politicalmaniac]

Another question, supposed the Minister say from PNU disagrees with Rs vision who resolves that? or if there is MKM thieving and the Minister dilly dallys who can enforce Rs disciplinary message?

[politicalmaniac]

kmurungi said:

Nation is reporting some good news, Cabinet positions will be shared proportionally according to party strength in Parliament."

this is an exerpt from the nation

"The deal provides that the PM will coordinate and supervise Ministers, while Cabinet positions will be shared proportionally according to party strength in Parliament."
they are for the 1st time reporting the true matters on the ground.

where are kamale,dubois and their likes this is the time we need them back at jukwaa

www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=117874

PNU is a party wth minor constituents so they grab 50% total.

How they dish out the 50% to kina Judas Isacariot is up to them.

Just give me my 50% share.

Still which ministries go to whom? Esp Finace and State? Those have been Gema enclaves top to bottom, inside and out.

The AG needs to go to.