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Post by mank on Oct 7, 2008 22:18:49 GMT 3
Adongo, Job, etc Im a bit surprised that when some of us pointed these moves at play since March-08, most of the folks here thought it was child's play. What If i told you that by then I knew about the Pastor Muthi angle and the Evangelicals in play? What if I told you that after Accord, some strange characters hosted by UHURU KENYATTA were at Windsor Hotel for de-briefs on intelligence regarding the OBAMA family profiles in Kenya? How come in July we heard that Obama's Granny in Kogelo house was broken into but nothign of material value was stolen? Would it be a stretch to tell you that it was the work of paid hitmen out to gather ANY family confidential information for later use? My friends, connecting the dots when you step back and see the MOTIVEs and EVENTs is easy. CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF MKM-Mafia have accepted financial handouts in exchange for selling out your kinsman. One interesting question: how come PNU and Kalonzo's party (though invited) did not attend the Demcoratic Party Convention? how come a silent party of operatives were at the GOP convention (and this story is not out yet). What info did they carry with them? why was there initial desire to remove Immigration from Kajwang? There is more than meets the eyes. Who led foreign groups to George Obama (who was previously unkonwn)? how would international reporters have found such a guy in the slums. CERTAIN MKM forces in the intelligence and party factions are out to derail your Comrade. There is no doubt about it. Einstein is probably getting a point across to you at last, because here you alluded to a specific individual's actions, albeit not without going ahead into your usual generalizations ... I hope you will eventualy start talking about individuals, because only then can you be of constructive relevance. I will be grateful to Einstein in that case. You make my jukwaa experience very unpleasant, because I do not take pleasure in your ethnic hate-mongering. I do not know of a government sit occupied by an ethinic group, but you seem to have diffferent facts about Kenya. Even while you monger this hatred you present yourself as no friend of the rest of Kenyans you pretend to defend. What did you do with all the information you claim to have had ahead of everyone else, particularly about the burglary at the Obama's? What you do here on jukwaa poses a lot more danger for Kenya than the act of a Kenyan taking a matchet by himself and slashing another as we saw earlier in the year. You my friend, you antagonize many so that the slashing can be on a much higher scale. What do you get out of this practice?
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Post by mimimzalendo on Oct 7, 2008 22:25:21 GMT 3
Mank, I really dont care. Seriously. Coz i dont come here to make friends or babysit people. Im sorry! FACT: Kenya's Govts since independence had tribal-factions-mafias. The current one is MKM. And blinded with money and power, MKM-factions have destroed Kenya. Period!!!! All - jukwaa.proboards58.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2374&page=1#22125Above is link which notified all (on Jun 5th) that MKM-faction was hosting anti-Obama forces.
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Post by einstein on Oct 7, 2008 22:30:02 GMT 3
Kwani wewe ni nani, whose requests have to be answered? are you the owner of Jukwaaa? If your friends are part of the MKM-mafia, pole sana, you are on the list then. Hehehehehehehehehehehe ... keep them coming. Kwani you think we care. We went, we saw and we never again will BS with MKM nonsense. Quit !!! nobody is begging you or forcing you. You are not the "holy grail" of jukwaaa. tha self-importance nonsense, take it to Kenya Imagine where your usual Githurai folks are. And we have no regrets. We say it loud and clear. Kenyas problems is MKM. Period!! MTA DO!! MM, This thing is between ONLY YOU AND ME!! Why the reference to ' WE'?? Stop hiding behind some crowd. FACE ME OR STOP THE MKM SH!T!! And you can be sure, I WILL KEEP BRINGING THEM ON FOR MY MKM FRIENDS!!!!! So what are you gonna do now??
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Post by mimimzalendo on Oct 7, 2008 22:35:07 GMT 3
We dont care. Go on. Make your day. I repeat, we dont care. MTA DO NINI!!!!
Kenya's present political problems have been augmented by blinded/visionless MKM mafia!
Stop what? Are you the Jukwa Police? Are you the Spelling-Bee-Palin of Jukwaa?
Take your orders shyte to Githurai where they listen to you. OK!!!! PERIOD!!!!!
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 7, 2008 23:31:47 GMT 3
We dont care. Go on. Make your day. I repeat, we dont care. MTA DO NINI!!!! Kenya's present political problems have been augmented by blinded/visionless MKM mafia! Stop what? Are you the Jukwa Police? Are you the Spelling-Bee-Palin of Jukwaa? Take your orders shyte to Githurai where they listen to you. OK!!!! PERIOD!!!!! MMWhat this about? Am I missing something. I hate jumping over dirt ( I usually don't read them) to read stuff in Jukwaa. That is the speciality in many online fora that are littered with insults and abuses. Can we be spared the indignity? Is that too much to ask? Why not just make your point. Sensible people will figure that out. Please keep the insults in the other fora. There are many of them out there. Thank you. adongo
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Post by mimimzalendo on Oct 7, 2008 23:49:19 GMT 3
Adongo
Thank you. Out of respect for you, I will try my very best to limit my responses to such attacks.
Thank you,
Mm
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Post by einstein on Oct 7, 2008 23:49:37 GMT 3
We dont care. Go on. Make your day. I repeat, we dont care. MTA DO NINI!!!! Kenya's present political problems have been augmented by blinded/visionless MKM mafia! Stop what? Are you the Jukwa Police? Are you the Spelling-Bee-Palin of Jukwaa? Take your orders shyte to Githurai where they listen to you. OK!!!! PERIOD!!!!! MMWhat this about? Am I missing something. I hate jumping over dirt ( I usually don't read them) to read stuff in Jukwaa. That is the speciality in many online fora that are littered with insults and abuses. Can we be spared the indignity? Is that too much to ask? Why not just make your point. Sensible people will figure that out. Please keep the insults in the other fora. There are many of them out there. Thank you. adongo Adongo, Thanks for the intervention. I will stop it immediately, but please ask folks to stop using the term 'MKM'. I have received lots of complaints from my friends. Let us deal with issues and targeted individuals in future. It is simply unfair to condemn a whole community!! With due respect to all, END OF CONFRONTATION!! Einstein!
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 7, 2008 23:59:58 GMT 3
MM, Einstein
Thanks folks, no problem. I lose my temper too and say crazy things in this forum. Life without passion would be the worst form of torture for the human soul. All is well that ends well. Thanks folks.
adongo
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 8, 2008 0:04:29 GMT 3
Yeah, the fool is toast. Good for him. I like the way they have explained the matter. They said he can apply for a work permit and come back. Yeah right! That was my complaint all along. I thought detaining him was a bad idea and that he needed to be deported and a good reason provided. Excellent. He looks furious. He must be wondering how a bunch of n.iggers can dare deport him from a "banana" republic when he had $ 1,000.00 for one of their citizens. I think Peter Mbae who is reported to have booked the "book launch" pocketed all the cash. What a freaking nasty pick pocket. Shame on him. Now he has shit all over his hand. Let him enjoy it. And who is the top government official Corsi is saying okayed his operations? outa here with your junk dude. www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143996540&cid=4&
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Post by mank on Oct 8, 2008 0:52:07 GMT 3
Did them Americans not know you cannot travel as a tourist to excercise high politics even to the point of gathering crowds, or did they just think that international immigration ethics are inaplicable in Africa? They should have stamped "illegal immigrant into Kenya" on his passport so he cannot have a chance of coming to Kenya again. They do something like that in US ... if you try entering US with the wrong passport you will have a record on your rear for ever, and you can tell US bye if you are a commoner. Kudos!
Still am sure the propagandists wont miss trying to make a kill, but you can be sure the shame will be on them.
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 8, 2008 1:52:43 GMT 3
Did them Americans not know you cannot travel as a tourist to exercise high politics even to the point of gathering crowds, or did they just think that international immigration ethics are inaplicable in Africa? They should have stamped "illegal immigrant into Kenya" on his passport so he cannot have a chance of coming to Kenya again. They do something like that in US ... if you try entering US with the wrong passport you will have a record on your rear for ever, and you can tell US bye if you are a commoner. Kudos! Still am sure the propagandists wont miss trying to make a kill, but you can be sure the shame will be on them. mankI think we did not get the full dossier before and that is why for me I was mad about detaining the crazy guy. That made the Kenya government look vindictive and could have backfired. But they did a very smart move. They waited until the quack doctor laid the table to launch his book. At that point he was engaging in a business activity. Before then he could spew all garbage and get away with it, but the moment he tried to do business he needed a work permit which he didn't have. Then the government had every right to deport him. It is normal to detain people before they are deported but the optics looked bad and there was some confusion as to whether he was being detained for his own good or for violating his visa status. As it is the government was right on target. We should give a lot of credit to the immigration department and for the executive for not intervening. Trust me there must have been endless calls and pressure to the big boys to save this man's miserable behind. adongo
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 8, 2008 2:14:40 GMT 3
Interesting angle. www.nation.co.ke/The Kenya Government has decided to deport Dr Jerome Corsi, the author of a book critical of US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Immigration officials have been holding him since Tuesday morning as he was due to launch the book, The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality at Laico Hotel, Nairobi. He was driven to the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport accompanied by an aide and he is on his way out of the country, according to a source. Earlier, witnesses said the author was seized by immigration agents and sources told the Daily Nation he was being held at Nyayo House, Nairobi, the headquarters of the Ministry of Immigration. At the time, a senior immigration official in charge of investigations, Carlos Maluta was quoted by the Associated Press as saying: "We still haven't decided what to do with him." The book questions Obama’s character and his fitness to run for the White House. It also explores links between the Illinois Senator and Kenya Prime Minister Raila Odinga. The book is largely seen as a smear campaign meant to undermine the Democratic candidate with charges that his criticism of Mr Obama is anchored on inaccuracies. A Press invite to Tuesday’s launch read in part: “Dr Corsi will also expose details of deep secret ties between US Democratic presidential candidate Barrack Obama and a section of Kenya Government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency.”Meanwhile, the management of the hotel that Dr Corsi was scheduled to launch his book has distanced itself from a press conference the American was to address. In a press release, the hotel said: “We would like to assure our business partners and the public at large that Laico Regency Hotel is a law abiding institution and does not condone any smear campaigns. The management cannot allow such activities to take place.” It revealed that the booking for the news conference had been made by Peter Mbae, the editor-in-chief of the Eagle Christian magazine.
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 9, 2008 1:01:33 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Oct 9, 2008 2:03:03 GMT 3
Adongo, Koigi is free to go back to Norway if he is not happy with the government's decision! Pretty much the same way Ngugi continues to stay in the US.Here are comments from the Standard readers over Corsi's deportation: 1. On Wednesday October 8, 2008, 3:55 AM , Winnie Awino, Italy wrote: Bravo Kenyans ! That Kaburu Mtaliano who doesn't know his roots. He is an Immigrant in The USA Immmigrato Extracommunitario in Stati UNITI Signor CORSI! come to Italy and save your People BOSSI IS WAITING! 2. On Wednesday October 8, 2008, 3:21 AM , John Lwong, Sudan wrote: Let the American be told that this is Africa, and the blood is thicker than water. Obama has an African blood that no question can be rise about man go and do your dirty thing in your own country not on African soil. 3. On Wednesday October 8, 2008, 1:34 AM , JOHN ORWA, Kenya wrote: Wonderful news indeed. He should never be allowed back into Kenya. 4. On Tuesday October 7, 2008, 20:50 PM , Nora Brown, United States wrote: How does Dr Corsi enter Kenya and disappear for one week? Who was he staying with in Runda? He intended to stay for one month.. doing what in the land of people whom he refers to as terrorists? These friends also need to be questioned. 5. On Tuesday October 7, 2008, 18:49 PM , enter full names Agusta n Mutua, South Africa wrote: Thanks to imigration department you did the right thing to deport the guy. It would be very shameful for us Kenyans to allow Jerome to smear Obama's name with the lies he has written against him. I don't think Kenyans are interested with whatever is in the book; the right people to read the book are Americans. Kenyans are not the ones electing Obama! 6. On Tuesday October 7, 2008, 18:49 PM , Kiriago Nyariki, United States wrote: Dr Corsi! you could not get better than that. You cannot roam around making false claims and expect to get away with it. Keep it in your country. Go with your book and your little thousand dollars, how many homeless do you have in the streets of your country that beg for a dollar by the roadsides, spend it on them. 7. On Tuesday October 7, 2008, 18:00 PM , Alex Kiplangat, United States wrote: We hail the Government for this timely move. How on earth do you accept an intruder to throw mud on your face right inside your sitting room? It would have been more embarrassing than the Artur saga. Sen Obama is being coined here in USA by the McCain group as unknown/terrorist and such kind of silly stuff for political purposes. expediency!!!! 8. On Tuesday October 7, 2008, 18:00 PM , Kathleen Miller, United States wrote: Dear Kenya. THANK YOU! You did the right thing with this so called gentleman. With much affection from a New Yorker. 9. On Tuesday October 7, 2008, 17:19 PM , Bob H. O., Czech Republic wrote: It is a pity Corsi was left to get away with it. It was an abuse to all Kenyans to come with such an idea. I live abroad and know, that Kenyans abroad are one and it does not matter what percentage of Kenyan blood one has. Mr. Corsi should have been considered more or less a terrorist and dealt with in a like manner. We are Kenya and he should make such dirty moves in his homeland and not in Kenya. Being American does not give him the right to walk into Kenya and do whatever he wants. You should see how Kenyans are sometimes dealt with for breaking the slightest of regulations. I would have suggested releasing Corsi to the streeets of Kenya and letting mob-justice prevail. 10. On Tuesday October 7, 2008, 17:05 PM , andayi mushenye, United States wrote: But where was the National Intelligence Agency? This man entered our country and dug dirt for a week without being discovered? It is a big joke. Just like Mungiki and post election violence found them sleeping on the job, today they have been found sleeping again. Its a shame that this man went as far as booking a well known hotel for a press conference. www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?incl=comments&id=1143996540&cid=4
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Post by mank on Oct 9, 2008 14:16:13 GMT 3
hi einstein,
It is an uncomfortable observation that you put Koigi and Ngugi on the same level on this one. Koigi's view is a disgrace. On the other hand, Ngugi Wa Thion'go is a nationalist and visionary, whether residing in Kenya, or overseas. I realized Koigi also said Corsi's treatment is similar to Ngugi's earlier treatment in Kenya ... which is utterly misplaced. I still believe in the visa explanation. If the guy was matched out just because of his literature, we would already be having this all over McCain's campaign. ... and for national interest it would just be in order to turn the guy back for his unbecoming literature. That way we do not risk having to explain to US how their man died under a Kenyan mob. Being tolerant to speech and literature is not the same thing as careless openness to slandering enthusiasts from anywhere on earth.
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Post by phil on Oct 9, 2008 14:52:29 GMT 3
Look at outrageous allegations that are now posted at Corsi's website. This guy is a LUNATIC. Its now no longer a DEPORTATION, but an ESCAPE! WND Exclusive Bribes paid for Corsi to escape from Kenya Insider reports thousands given to 'various officials' Posted: October 08, 2008 11:35 pm Eastern© 2008 WorldNetDaily WND senior staff writer Jerry Corsi LONDON – Bribes totaling thousands of dollars were paid to facilitate WND senior staff reporter Jerome Corsi's departure from Kenya after immigration authorities there detained him and his publicist – holding them under armed guard and without food – to prevent Corsi from holding a news conference revealing what he had discovered about Barack Obama's controversial ties in the African nation. Confirmation of the payments comes just as a report from Kenya Broadcasting Corp. admitted it was politics, not the contrived paperwork reason, for which Corsi was detained. According to copies of e-mails obtained by WND, a resident of Kenya who provided funding for the payments said the bribes were paid to "various officials" during the day-long standoff between Corsi and Kenyan immigration authorities. The e-mail addressed to Corsi said, "Sorry that your last day in the country was a little stressful. I trust you are both [Corsi and publicist Tim Bueler] safe and have all of your possessions with you." "We had worked diligently to get you both out safe and with all your stuff," the informant said. "There was a great cost, however." The informant then cited fees used for "paying off" some of the officials involved in the case. The informant listed the immediate expenditure of $2,500 in U.S. dollars and another $1,428 worth of Kenya shillings. "I have given them all the money I had access to," said the informant, who said the total, $3,928, took care "of a portion of what will be required." He suggested there still could be future costs for "damage control." The e-mail also included a plea not to identify any individual either paying or taking the bribes, because of the potential for retaliation. As WND has reported, Kenyan immigration officials and soldiers armed with automatic weapons prevented Corsi from holding a scheduled news conference about his investigation into Obama's Kenyan links. The Kenyan authorities detaining him later took him to his departure flight and made it clear he was not welcome to return. "Don't ever come back. See you in hell," Corsi reported an unidentified official told him as the author of the No. 1 best-selling book "The Obama Nation" was delivered to a flight departing from Nairobi. Corsi took the British Airways flight to London, from where he told WND he was tired but safe, and working on assembling the results of his investigation conducted in Kenya into a report. He also was recounting his ordeal in radio and TV interviews, including the Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes. The situation developed yesterday just as Corsi, who had been in Kenya for several days, was preparing for a 10 a.m. (3 a.m. EDT) news conference to announce the results of his investigation, which also targeted Raila Odinga, a Kenyan political leader who claimed in an earlier BBC report that he is Obama's cousin, saying Obama's father was Odinga's uncle. Corsi was approached by immigration officials and taken to their office under the guard of armed soldiers. Corsi made a quick contact with WND founder and editor Joseph Farah, but then Kenyan authorities confiscated his passport and cell phone and held him as if he were suspected of a crime. Under guard and without food for most of the day, it wasn't until many hours later when Corsi was taken to the airport for his scheduled flight and his cell phone was returned. He then was able to dispatch to WND a report on his captivity. "We were detained and lied to all day," Corsi described in his urgent report to WND. "The immigration officer at the hotel 15 minutes before the press conference this morning said we only needed to come to the immigration headquarters downtown for a few minutes and that we would be back to the hotel for the press conference with only a few minutes delay." That wasn't what happened. "We got brought to immigration headquarters by what turned out to be about a dozen immigration officers plus military armed with automatic rifles," he reported. "Tim got placed in the back of the vehicle and was surrounded by the armed military. I was in the front between the driver and the top immigration officer who first identified himself at the hotel." Kenyan authorities insisted the Americans were not under arrest, but two lawyers did appear although they had not been requested. The immigration officials eventually insisted on taking Corsi to the airport, and provided two different reasons for doing so: checking the status of the author's airline tickets and to explain a mixup in paperwork. But according to the KBC report, the government of Kenya was alleging it "deported" Corsi "back to America" because of "the nature of his mission." "According to Foreign Affairs Minister Moses Wetangula, Corsi displayed inconsistent conduct with the expected norms of good behavior," the KBC report said. The report said the "initial explanation" cited paperwork, "but it emerged on Wednesday that his deportation squarely lay on his suspect intentions and mission in the country, the launch of an anti-Obama book." The report said Kenyans were demonstrating against the book, "leading to his detention by security." "We went to the airport via armed caravan," Corsi said. Ultimately Corsi was told he and Bueler would be allowed on the London flight. Corsi was pursuing his investigation in Kenya because Obama has a history of connections there, and the African nation is where his father worked as a well-known government economist. Corsi documented this history in his book but scheduled the trip to find answers to lingering questions – particularly about the links between the presidential candidate and Odinga, Kenya's prime minister. Corsi had promised a news conference that would "expose details of deep secret ties between U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and a section of Kenya government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency." Corsi was set to show Obama and Odinga have been in direct contact since the senator's visit to Kenya in 2006. He was to claim Obama advised Odinga on campaign strategy and helped him raise money in the U.S. for the Kenya presidential campaign. Corsi was to report Odinga's 2007 presidential campaign strategy called for exploiting anti-Kikuyu tribal sentiments, claiming victory and charging voter fraud even if the campaign knew the election had been legitimately lost. Odinga, Corsi said, also was willing to fan the flames of ethnic tribal tensions and use violence as a last resort by calling for mass action that led to the destruction of properties, injuries, loss of life and the displacement of over 500,000 Kenyans. The purpose was to compel the Electoral Commission of Kenya to declare him the winner or enable him to declare himself the winner by force. Even though Odinga has not fulfilled his campaign promises to the Muslims who voted for him, he continues to cause concern among Kenyans because he has not declared his position on Shariah law, Corsi said. Corsi said Obama remained in active phone contact with Odinga through the New Hampshire Democratic Party primary in January. The Illinois senator continued to support Odinga, he said, turning a blind eye to an agreement signed with Muslims and the post-election violence instigated as part of the campaign strategy. www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77386
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Post by einstein on Oct 9, 2008 20:41:11 GMT 3
AntiObama author says he talked to Kenyan authorities
Jerome Corsi - Obama & Odinga of Kenya
Corsi talks to FOX
Corsi, Odinga, Obama...Why Corsi was deported?
More reactions:
JEROME CORSI DEPORTED BY KENYA GOVERNMENT
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 9, 2008 21:51:38 GMT 3
einstein
Thanks for youtubes. Now you get my point when I said we are dealing with a lunatic who has been preaching that Raila Odinga is a fanatic Muslim who wants to declare Sharia Law in Kenya through violence and with the help of Barack Obama.
It is a grossly stupid thing to even imagine but you listened to the Fox interview by the other lunatic called Hannity, considered a "journalist" in America. Believe it or not there are many Americans who believe everything Jerome Corsi has been saying. That is how dumb some folks are and they too have a right to share this universe. These are not just dumbos living in a tractor trailer somewhere. Some of these folks are holding PhDs, are successful business people or just regular folks but they share the same consciousness like that nguruwe raffling through mud at the local market place. That is how sad America can be for you. It is pitiful, but we don't have the time to console them. There are more urgent things to be done. Luckily for every one of these morons there are ten other Americans who are not buried in that mud. That is a good thing for humanity.
I am telling you there is a portion of the bigoted population in America that are cutting their wrists in frustration at the mere thought of a Barack Obama presidency. Obviously there is a similar group in Kenya. They are doomed and they are beginning to feel it.
That Mbae crook is such a typical leech. He milked the old bigot to the bone. Corsi says he was in Runda with the big boys. I am not surprised. You know the most laughable is when Corsi says he has e-mails from Obama to Raila that he obtained from ex-Raila friends. Please. Ati you have t go to Kenya to collect e-mails. This guy is a genuine idiot. He is not faking it.
And Corsi was fearing for his life and thought he may never see the US again. May be he should have committed suicide in the cells with claims that he was killed by Muslim extremists who are Obama supporters. That is the only way he would have made news. All these other crap is bull. Go to hell by yourself Corsi.
This whole operation was engineered by the same fakers who peddled that infamous MoU. At some point they are going to have to pay for their sins and endless defamations. We know them including those in cabinet and their little spanner crooks online. This is just sickening. We are going to have a conversation sooner than later.
adongo
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 9, 2008 22:47:41 GMT 3
AO Here they are, the folks who will cut their wrists when Obama takes office.
Part 2
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Post by job on Oct 9, 2008 23:27:04 GMT 3
The only reward for hatred is hate. Hatred and lies have never worked, they have no foundation.
These few bad apples don't know how further they are dividing the nation called Kenya.
I live in the states and believe it or not, all Kenyans from Coast, Central to Rift Valley are supporting Obama including volunteering time, working phones, contributing money and writing articles in various blogs.
I don't know what some folks benefit by demonizing Muslims.
Why lie that Kenya is threatened by Islamic expansion. I thought choice for religion should be a fundamental right and anyone is free to join any religion.
Kenya has too much tribal problems and does not need another polar divide on religion.
The enemity and hatred will be permanent and vicious.
Those who live by the sword die by the sword.
Those who live by preaching anti-Muslim hatred will 'die' from a backlash from the same anti-Muslim hatred. Play with fire, get burnt.
All these smear propaganda and attempted sabotage of Obama, Raila, Kenyan Muslims etc etc will pass like a cloud. The folks inside Kenya's government who wined and dined this scambag called Corsi will be soon exposed and may regret the day the sought Corsi's attention.
Those in the US know what is happening right now in the economy and how that works in Obama's favour.
Every taxpayer is feeling it head-on. If you read your October-quarter statement on say your 401K you will realize just how much you have probably lost.
If you held some stocks (almost all except IBM) - you already feel it. If you own some properties - you know how far the values have fallen. If you check a statement of your kids college savings plans - you will notice a sizeable shaving that is scary.
Things are scary. Even students will no longer get college loans unless the credit freeze is loosened - for those with excellent credit scores. I understand the easiest loan in america - a simple car loan which only needs proof of employment, is now as difficult as getting a jumbo mortgage loan.
It's an America unknown to many. And it seems this will not change anytime soon. Trying to scare voters with the silly McCain question - who is Barack Obama - will not work because the Americans have already been scared bejeezus (almost into cardiac arrest) by their own 401k quarterly statements, home values, stock portfolio values, retirement and pension plan account statements, child-college savings statements.
They are not buying being scared by the color of skin of Obama who is widening his lead in polls every single day.
Today the dow has dropped for the third consecutive day by more than 600 points. American companies have lost close to a trillion dollars of worth just today alone.
Any recovery is not foreseen anytime soon. We are talking several years here. Hope for change lies in Obama. Even Republicans know that.
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Post by einstein on Oct 9, 2008 23:37:33 GMT 3
einsteinThanks for youtubes. Now you get my point when I said we are dealing with a lunatic who has been preaching that Raila Odinga is a fanatic Muslim who wants to declare Sharia Law in Kenya through violence and with the help of Barack Obama. It is a grossly stupid thing to even imagine but you listened to the Fox interview by the other lunatic called Hannity, considered a "journalist" in America. Believe it or not there are many Americans who believe everything Jerome Corsi has been saying. That is how dumb some folks are and they too have a right to share this universe. These are not just dumbos living in a tractor trailer somewhere. Some of these folks are holding PhDs, are successful business people or just regular folks but they share the same consciousness like that nguruwe raffling through mud at the local market place. That is how sad America can be for you. It is pitiful, but we don't have the time to console them. There are more urgent things to be done. Luckily for every one of these morons there are ten other Americans who are not buried in that mud. That is a good thing for humanity. I am telling you there is a portion of the bigoted population in America that are cutting their wrists in frustration at the mere thought of a Barack Obama presidency. Obviously there is a similar group in Kenya. They are doomed and they are beginning to feel it. That Mbae crook is such a typical leech. He milked the old bigot to the bone. Corsi says he was in Runda with the big boys. I am not surprised. You know the most laughable is when Corsi says he has e-mails from Obama to Raila that he obtained from ex-Raila friends. Please. Ati you have t go to Kenya to collect e-mails. This guy is a genuine idiot. He is not faking it. And Corsi was fearing for his life and thought he may never see the US again. May be he should have committed suicide in the cells with claims that he was killed by Muslim extremists who are Obama supporters. That is the only way he would have made news. All these other crap is bull. Go to hell by yourself Corsi. This whole operation was engineered by the same fakers who peddled that infamous MoU. At some point they are going to have to pay for their sins and endless defamations. We know them including those in cabinet and their little spanner crooks online. This is just sickening. We are going to have a conversation sooner than later. adongo Adongo, Yes, I remembered your point after listening to the vids and I must rethink my position. Corsi in combination with Hannity of Fox is a lethal mix. I cannot still believe he could say stuff like he did in that short interview from London. He has promised to release even more deadly stuff on Monday on Fox. What I do not understand is why the Kenyan security intelligence or at least the immigration police never searched his luggage!! What we need to find out soonest, is who apart from that crook called Mbae is involved from the Kenyan side! Who are exactly these people in Kenya going to such great lengths to stop an Obama presidency and why. What do you really think, is it ONLY the Muslim factor driving this hate campaign from the Kenyan side or is there something else we have not figured out? Anyway, I will keep praying for Obama! He SHALL make it!!
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Post by tiskie on Oct 10, 2008 6:49:51 GMT 3
What I can see is some cruel spiteful and hate filled individuals in the PNU party rekindling the tribal and religious hate that was shown during the campaigns when the Muslim factor was brought into equation. My question is are all Muslims terrorist in Kenyan?? when did kenyans start labeling each other??on religion?? it moved from tribal hate to religious hatred and that my friends is getting into very mucky waters(like bringing George bush with all his hate for Muslims into kenya) Kenyans are are peaceful people and if it were not for the unfair distribution on the Land issues kenyan would be now living from the time we got independence very peacefully.. The idea or even the thought that some Members of cabinet hosted this thug known as Jerome Corsi. who is known all over USA for his hatred for blacks is beyond me.. I guess this kenyans individuals thought they would use him as a pay back time for Raila and his connection to Obama- Guess what - sources confirm Raila already knew what was happening on ground and which folks were planning to help Jerome Corsi to launch the book.. there is nothing this thug got from kenya except for the usual lies from the main goons in Kenya - who will face exposure soon (since they forgot that Jerome Corsi does not know how to shut is big mouth( and he claims being hosted by some government officials and was given a nod by a member of parliament to proceed with the smear campaign on Obama) There are more smear campaign adverts going to be released by the McCain camp in a big way tomorrow and through the following weeks - it is like the last kick of a dying horse- McCain has even now recruited his own wife to abuse Obama- what a shame... Obama is still going strong as polls show -Americans are worried about the economy - my only worry is the people that shouted during one of Sarah Palins campaigns when she claimed Obama being a terrorist they shouted "kill him kill him" that to me is crossing the line and it is like they are trying to drive or engage someone to have those thought in mind and go and do exactly that!! why then have they started this frenzy attack on Obama which actually looks aimless and all over the map when the American economy is on free fall?? I smell a big rat...... I just don't get it !!!why hasn't the McCain camp stopped or condoned this behavior by their supporters vying for Obama's blood?? to me it just seems very very strange.....or is McCain and Palin camp indeed looking for Obama's assassination in order to win?? that would mean the destruction of America( when most of the population as the polls show are in favor of Obama - this would start a civil war in America or this what they are aiming for?? Look at the bleak picture- markets crush, most Americans are loose everything and an assassination of a presidential candidate?? that is a recipe for a civil war.. when people are hungry and brook there is no civility. and then "Bush" postpones the elections and calls a state of emergency which leads to Marshall law in America(a police state) ok my imagination has run wild on this one!!! Then we have some goons in Kenya wanting our Kenyans to support this same people?? I'm glad their identities will be released soon, i really want to hear what exactly was their motive and their answer better not be that they were in love with Jerome Corsi the thug...... I hope his visa was stamp no entry to Kenya ever..
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Post by phil on Oct 10, 2008 10:39:15 GMT 3
This Dr. Corsi guys is mad! Look at what he wanted to expose in Nairobi: WND Exclusive WorldNetDaily ExclusiveProof Obama backed ruthless, foreign thug Set up direct Senate contact for Kenyan opposition leader Posted: October 10, 200812:05 am Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily Sen. Barack Obama designated a personal aide as his direct contact for the 2007 Kenyan presidential campaign of Raila Odinga, who later was appointed prime minister after his election loss was followed by widespread, deadly violence that destroyed or damaged 800 Christian churches, according to e-mails obtained by WND senior staff writer Jerry Corsi during a trip to Kenya. Corsi attempted to release this and other information at a Tuesday press conference in Nairobi. The WND reporter and No. 1 New York Times bestselling author was detained by Kenya security officers as soon as he entered the hotel to make his presentation. He was held incommunicado and without food for the entire day before being permitted to board his regularly scheduled flight out of the country to London, where he is currently recuperating from the ordeal. As WND has reported, Obama openly campaigned for Odinga during the Illinois Democrat's 2006 Senate "fact-finding visit" to Kenya. Odinga called for protests over alleged voter fraud after losing the December 2007 general election. The resulting protest violence left an estimated 1,000 members of the dominant Kikuyu tribe in Kenya dead and an estimated 500,000 displaced from their homes. The links between Obama and Odinga were documented by copies of two e-mails obtained by Corsi during his meetings in Kenya with various government officials and others. The e-mails, apparently sent by Obama himself, referenced the senator's aide, Mark Lippert. The e-mails were provided to WND by an insider in Kenya who fled Odinga's Orange Democratic political party and requested anonymity because of the danger of retaliation. The e-mails, identified as coming from Obama's Senate office, are addressed to "railaaodinga" at a yahoo.com address. A WND e-mail to the same Obama address generated an automated response and a list of contacts for Obama's offices. A WND e-mail sent to the Odinga e-mail address didn't generate a response. One e-mail purportedly from Obama, dated Dec. 22, 2006, read, "I will kindly wish that all our correspondence [be] handled by Mr Mark Lippert. I have already instructed him. This will be for my own security both for now and in future." It is reproduced here with the e-mail address of the person who forwarded it to WND redacted: Lippert is a long-term Obama Senate staff member identified by the Chicago Sun-Times as a member of Obama's "inner circle of foreign policy experts." The Sun-Times has said if Obama is elected president, his secretary of state and national security advisers are expected to come from this inner circle. In December 2006 Odinga was in the early stages of planning to run as the ODP candidate against President Mwai Kibaki. The e-mails from Obama's office to Odinga's presidential campaign seem to show Obama and Odinga, who once told the BBC he is Obama's cousin, had discussions about Odinga's 2007 campaign. WND was unable to reach the Obama campaign for a comment, as the campaign telephone system disconnected a WND call three times in a row without any provision to leave a message. The former ODM official who provided the e-mails to WND asked for anonymity because of concerns the disclosure of his identity could endanger his life in a volatile political atmosphere in Kenya where Odinga's fellow Luo tribal members staged sometimes violent protests against Kibaki's supporters, who primarily are Kikuyu. Sen. Obama's relatives in Kenya are Luo. The former ODM official reported abandoning the ODM and opposing Odinga because of concerns Odinga had manipulated tribal violence in Kenya to gain political power. During Corsi's trip to Kenya, WND also confirmed the role of the anonymous ODM source in implementing an Odinga campaign strategy which the source claimed was shared with Obama's Senate office. The strategy is described in a document titled "Executive Brief on the Positioning and Marketing of the Orange Democratic Movement & 'The People's President.'" The document at one point suggests: "It is possible to trigger a class war by painting the Kibaki Government as an insensitive, uncaring group of Muthaiga Golf clubbers. Available research also suggests that this strategy could also resonate with poor kikuyu youth who feel economically marginalized by their own government. As part of this strategy the party should seek to elevate the emotions within all youth constituents who may it successful, be willing to vote for us in the protest. Visible signs of class disparity will provide important fodder for this theme." WND previously reported Obama was in telephone communications with Odinga on nearly a daily basis during the Democratic primary in New Hampshire in January. The second e-mail, again from Obama's Senate address to Odinga's e-mail, stated, "Thanks for contacting me about Mr Lippert through email. Contact him through mark_lippert.obama.senate.gov." Chapter 4 of Corsi's "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," titled "Kenya, Odinga, Communism and Islam," refers to the strategy document, but its authenticity was confirmed by the former ODM official during interviews with Corsi in Kenya over the last week. The document describes an Odinga strategy of exploiting "anti-Kikuyu sentiments," a clearly racial strategy aimed at inflaming long-standing tribal animosity to gain electoral advantage for Odinga. The last point of the campaign document describes what happened when Odinga lost the December 2007 election: "Ethnic Tensions/Violence as a Last Resort." Obama continued to support Odinga's effort to share Kenya's head-of-state with President Kibiki even after the wave of Odinga-prompted violence that followed his defeat. Some pundits in the U.S. already are suggesting that if Obama is not elected, there could be violence. On CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" show, James Carville said, "But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there." According to a Wall Street Journal article posted on the Obama campaign website, Lippert is doing double duty: in civilian life as Obama's chief foreign-policy adviser and in the military as a Lieutenant JG who is planning to serve as an intelligence officer for the Navy SEALS. The site gives Lippert, 34, credit for helping "hone" Obama's anti-war views. The website report states: "Over the past two years, Sen. Obama and Lt. Lippert have traveled around the globe together, played one-on-one basketball and shared each other's shoes. Lt. Lippert has continuing email exchanges with the senator's half sister in Africa. Sen. Obama encouraged Lt. Lippert to get engaged. Sen. Obama calls Lt. Lippert, 'one of my favorite people in the world.'" Lippert previously worked at the State Department and at the Office of Naval Intelligence in Suitland, Md. The report says Lippert accompanied Obama as an adviser to Russia and then to Kenya. www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77508
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Post by mank on Oct 10, 2008 15:47:44 GMT 3
einstein......... It is a grossly stupid thing to even imagine but you listened to the Fox interview by the other lunatic called Hannity, considered a "journalist" in America. ..... adongo Adongo and all, do yourselves and your TVs a favor, and don't watch FOX. Thats the channel where conservative propagandists go to rubber-stamp their thoughts as media-worthy. Recently I saw one of their news men present a hate-video clip of Obama as a terrorist, designed as a halloween gimmick, and the fellow pretends that he was showing it to ridicule the developer ... the obvious thing is that he was happy to cast Obama in that character, and the end of it he even asked people to email him if they were interested in a copy.
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Post by akello on Oct 10, 2008 16:01:55 GMT 3
i wonder why people would exploit dividing others in third world countries when they know the ultimate consequence might be loss of lives. quite sad. it seems there are some in the kenyan government who are willing to help bring obama down just because he has roots from luo. they are willing to work with racists in america who cant stand a black president. i care less about that unholy alliance. i just wonder why all this paranoia about fellow brothers and sisters from the lake who are just as loving as any other kenyans. i pray one day that love transcends all corners of kenya.
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