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Post by tiskie on Oct 10, 2008 16:07:11 GMT 3
This Dr. Corsi guys is mad! Look at what he wanted to expose in Nairobi: WND Exclusive WorldNetDaily ExclusiveProof Obama backed ruthless, foreign thug Set up direct Senate contact for Kenyan opposition leader Posted: October 10, 200812:05 am Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily Sen. Barack Obama designated a personal aide as his direct contact for the 2007 Kenyan presidential campaign of Raila Odinga, who later was appointed prime minister after his election loss was followed by widespread, deadly violence that destroyed or damaged 800 Christian churches, according to e-mails obtained by WND senior staff writer Jerry Corsi during a trip to Kenya. Corsi attempted to release this and other information at a Tuesday press conference in Nairobi. The WND reporter and No. 1 New York Times bestselling author was detained by Kenya security officers as soon as he entered the hotel to make his presentation. He was held incommunicado and without food for the entire day before being permitted to board his regularly scheduled flight out of the country to London, where he is currently recuperating from the ordeal. As WND has reported, Obama openly campaigned for Odinga during the Illinois Democrat's 2006 Senate "fact-finding visit" to Kenya. Odinga called for protests over alleged voter fraud after losing the December 2007 general election. The resulting protest violence left an estimated 1,000 members of the dominant Kikuyu tribe in Kenya dead and an estimated 500,000 displaced from their homes. The links between Obama and Odinga were documented by copies of two e-mails obtained by Corsi during his meetings in Kenya with various government officials and others. The e-mails, apparently sent by Obama himself, referenced the senator's aide, Mark Lippert. The e-mails were provided to WND by an insider in Kenya who fled Odinga's Orange Democratic political party and requested anonymity because of the danger of retaliation. The e-mails, identified as coming from Obama's Senate office, are addressed to "railaaodinga" at a yahoo.com address. A WND e-mail to the same Obama address generated an automated response and a list of contacts for Obama's offices. A WND e-mail sent to the Odinga e-mail address didn't generate a response. One e-mail purportedly from Obama, dated Dec. 22, 2006, read, "I will kindly wish that all our correspondence [be] handled by Mr Mark Lippert. I have already instructed him. This will be for my own security both for now and in future." It is reproduced here with the e-mail address of the person who forwarded it to WND redacted: Lippert is a long-term Obama Senate staff member identified by the Chicago Sun-Times as a member of Obama's "inner circle of foreign policy experts." The Sun-Times has said if Obama is elected president, his secretary of state and national security advisers are expected to come from this inner circle. In December 2006 Odinga was in the early stages of planning to run as the ODP candidate against President Mwai Kibaki. The e-mails from Obama's office to Odinga's presidential campaign seem to show Obama and Odinga, who once told the BBC he is Obama's cousin, had discussions about Odinga's 2007 campaign. WND was unable to reach the Obama campaign for a comment, as the campaign telephone system disconnected a WND call three times in a row without any provision to leave a message. The former ODM official who provided the e-mails to WND asked for anonymity because of concerns the disclosure of his identity could endanger his life in a volatile political atmosphere in Kenya where Odinga's fellow Luo tribal members staged sometimes violent protests against Kibaki's supporters, who primarily are Kikuyu. Sen. Obama's relatives in Kenya are Luo. The former ODM official reported abandoning the ODM and opposing Odinga because of concerns Odinga had manipulated tribal violence in Kenya to gain political power. During Corsi's trip to Kenya, WND also confirmed the role of the anonymous ODM source in implementing an Odinga campaign strategy which the source claimed was shared with Obama's Senate office. The strategy is described in a document titled "Executive Brief on the Positioning and Marketing of the Orange Democratic Movement & 'The People's President.'" The document at one point suggests: "It is possible to trigger a class war by painting the Kibaki Government as an insensitive, uncaring group of Muthaiga Golf clubbers. Available research also suggests that this strategy could also resonate with poor kikuyu youth who feel economically marginalized by their own government. As part of this strategy the party should seek to elevate the emotions within all youth constituents who may it successful, be willing to vote for us in the protest. Visible signs of class disparity will provide important fodder for this theme." WND previously reported Obama was in telephone communications with Odinga on nearly a daily basis during the Democratic primary in New Hampshire in January. The second e-mail, again from Obama's Senate address to Odinga's e-mail, stated, "Thanks for contacting me about Mr Lippert through email. Contact him through mark_lippert.obama.senate.gov." Chapter 4 of Corsi's "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," titled "Kenya, Odinga, Communism and Islam," refers to the strategy document, but its authenticity was confirmed by the former ODM official during interviews with Corsi in Kenya over the last week. The document describes an Odinga strategy of exploiting "anti-Kikuyu sentiments," a clearly racial strategy aimed at inflaming long-standing tribal animosity to gain electoral advantage for Odinga. The last point of the campaign document describes what happened when Odinga lost the December 2007 election: "Ethnic Tensions/Violence as a Last Resort." Obama continued to support Odinga's effort to share Kenya's head-of-state with President Kibiki even after the wave of Odinga-prompted violence that followed his defeat. Some pundits in the U.S. already are suggesting that if Obama is not elected, there could be violence. On CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" show, James Carville said, "But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there." According to a Wall Street Journal article posted on the Obama campaign website, Lippert is doing double duty: in civilian life as Obama's chief foreign-policy adviser and in the military as a Lieutenant JG who is planning to serve as an intelligence officer for the Navy SEALS. The site gives Lippert, 34, credit for helping "hone" Obama's anti-war views. The website report states: "Over the past two years, Sen. Obama and Lt. Lippert have traveled around the globe together, played one-on-one basketball and shared each other's shoes. Lt. Lippert has continuing email exchanges with the senator's half sister in Africa. Sen. Obama encouraged Lt. Lippert to get engaged. Sen. Obama calls Lt. Lippert, 'one of my favorite people in the world.'" Lippert previously worked at the State Department and at the Office of Naval Intelligence in Suitland, Md. The report says Lippert accompanied Obama as an adviser to Russia and then to Kenya. www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77508Phil Emails can be faked easily we all know that and in the states it the big thing now- (Who owns googles or msn or who shifts through all our emails claiming they are searching for terrorist emails??(George Bush and McCain Government- so you sincerely think that this by Corsi the thug are legit?? no such chance and that is why he did not show them in the USA!!! a con man is a con man... The beauty of it all is the young generation who are so educated in the computer and software industry can see this attempt to introduce fake information on Obama - go on line and read the blogs in the USA - some can even pinpoint how the fake emails were produced:) Corsi has no leg to stand on with his lies.... I sincerely hate hackers but yet again I like them when they catch people like Corsi in their lies and con games......
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 10, 2008 18:32:05 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Oct 11, 2008 5:29:00 GMT 3
Kicking Corsi out felt good but left a bad taste in the mouth ARE WE SUPPOSED TO cheer the fact that the Government threw out the anti-Obama author, Jerome Corsi? Boo to the person who made that decision. Whoever you are, you have proved once again that this country is the bedrock of intolerance. The book is a hatchet job, by most accounts. Corsi probably knows it, hence his attempt to sneak up to us with it. But that is no reason to hound the man out of town. The Big Brother mentality went out of the window ages ago. You could simply have asked him to apply for the right visa and let him try to convince us that the man from Kogelo is evil personified. There’s no reason to underestimate our intelligence – though you can never be too sure about that when the issue is political. Instead, you fell into a predictable trap. The man must be crowing to high heaven. Now the discredited Corsi has yet another reason to flog his book to the masses of people who want to see a conspiracy in everything under the sun. The legend is that Corsi went against the terms of his visa, which indicated that he and a friend were here simply as visitors eager to see the best of our wildlife and game parks. Launching the book on the man he loves to hate was officially a commercial agenda, and supposedly enough, reason to put him on a midnight flight out of Nairobi. But there are times when our actions can be hopelessly counter-productive, and we must be on the lookout for such pitfalls. Negative publicity is the last thing we want hanging over our heads right now, no matter how justified the response to provocation. And that is precisely what Corsi’s business was all about. He must be laughing his head off, wherever he has taken his malicious propaganda. Now he has material for a second book, if he is up to it. The antidote to people who lie and seek cheap publicity is not to play the game by their rules. Deporting him definitely fits in that category. Obama Nation is hardly worth the aggravation, going by every account I have come across. We have made a victim of a nondescript writer of a book that has been trashed elsewhere for its inaccuracies. The knee-jerk reaction to people, things and situations we do not like will be the undoing of this country. We saw it in January. There is no blood on the floor this time round, but the co-ordinates are the same. Yet there is an undeniable feel-good sentiment about his eviction in many of the people I have met since. There is a good basis for that, if you have a traditional outlook on life. In this scenario, letting Corsi loose on the Kenyan public would amount to rolling out the red carpet for a guest only for him to turn around and hurl insults at you and your family. You would be a lucky guest if you came out of that homestead unscathed. INDEED, THE JOKE DOING THE rounds is that the immigration guys need not have done anything more than approve the launch, the only condition being that it would be held at the biggest stadium in Kisumu and advertised widely. This is the point at which you are supposed to laugh until the tears come to your eyes. But we cannot even afford to smile. Corsi was here for only a handful of days. We have to live day in, day out with the same kind of mindset that his book pushes. Scare-mongering and deliberate efforts to fire up ethnic tensions is the staple of our politics. In the US, the bogeyman is communists. Here, communities are demonised wholesale because it is politically convenient for the other side to work up fury and tribal tensions in order to cheat their way into power.
Entire communities are fed daily propaganda that they can only survive and do well in Kenya if one of their own is in the top seat. To achieve that, they must stick together and find one “vehicle” that will champion and protect their interests. We are never told how different those interests are from those of other Kenyans, and why those concerned want to hoard the goodies.
We sing and dance to this kind of music virtually every weekend, yet I have never heard of an official reprimand from anyone in Government. Whenever the “incitement” charge is made, it is very selective and soon fizzles out. This is why the action against Corsi rings so hollow.
The political climate we live in is silly, when you think of it, and a greater threat than anything that is happening in America now. But you are more likely to find people who go along with hate speech rather than those who will disagree and ask the authorities to lock up the culprit.
Yet when you buy bread, milk and sugar, you do not instinctively check the label to see where it came from and whose hands processed it.
You can entrust your treasured car to a mechanic from the dreaded community and rush your ailing child to a doctor from the region made up entirely of greedy people, but unquestioningly retreat into a tribal cocoon when it comes to politics. It doesn’t make sense. But then prejudice never does. ( This part is for the hate-mongers on Jukwaa) I have my doubts about Corsi’s prowess as an academician and researcher, but it is not anything to do with Obama. He was either unusually daring or congenitally foolish to try his latest stunt. The verdict is yours. loriang@eam.co.kewww.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/478700/-/3lx623/-/index.html
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Post by tiskie on Oct 12, 2008 0:01:43 GMT 3
Kicking Corsi out felt good but left a bad taste in the mouth ARE WE SUPPOSED TO cheer the fact that the Government threw out the anti-Obama author, Jerome Corsi? Boo to the person who made that decision. Whoever you are, you have proved once again that this country is the bedrock of intolerance. The book is a hatchet job, by most accounts. Corsi probably knows it, hence his attempt to sneak up to us with it. But that is no reason to hound the man out of town. The Big Brother mentality went out of the window ages ago. You could simply have asked him to apply for the right visa and let him try to convince us that the man from Kogelo is evil personified. There’s no reason to underestimate our intelligence – though you can never be too sure about that when the issue is political. Instead, you fell into a predictable trap. The man must be crowing to high heaven. Now the discredited Corsi has yet another reason to flog his book to the masses of people who want to see a conspiracy in everything under the sun. The legend is that Corsi went against the terms of his visa, which indicated that he and a friend were here simply as visitors eager to see the best of our wildlife and game parks. Launching the book on the man he loves to hate was officially a commercial agenda, and supposedly enough, reason to put him on a midnight flight out of Nairobi. But there are times when our actions can be hopelessly counter-productive, and we must be on the lookout for such pitfalls. Negative publicity is the last thing we want hanging over our heads right now, no matter how justified the response to provocation. And that is precisely what Corsi’s business was all about. He must be laughing his head off, wherever he has taken his malicious propaganda. Now he has material for a second book, if he is up to it. The antidote to people who lie and seek cheap publicity is not to play the game by their rules. Deporting him definitely fits in that category. Obama Nation is hardly worth the aggravation, going by every account I have come across. We have made a victim of a nondescript writer of a book that has been trashed elsewhere for its inaccuracies. The knee-jerk reaction to people, things and situations we do not like will be the undoing of this country. We saw it in January. There is no blood on the floor this time round, but the co-ordinates are the same. Yet there is an undeniable feel-good sentiment about his eviction in many of the people I have met since. There is a good basis for that, if you have a traditional outlook on life. In this scenario, letting Corsi loose on the Kenyan public would amount to rolling out the red carpet for a guest only for him to turn around and hurl insults at you and your family. You would be a lucky guest if you came out of that homestead unscathed. INDEED, THE JOKE DOING THE rounds is that the immigration guys need not have done anything more than approve the launch, the only condition being that it would be held at the biggest stadium in Kisumu and advertised widely. This is the point at which you are supposed to laugh until the tears come to your eyes. But we cannot even afford to smile. Corsi was here for only a handful of days. We have to live day in, day out with the same kind of mindset that his book pushes. Scare-mongering and deliberate efforts to fire up ethnic tensions is the staple of our politics. In the US, the bogeyman is communists. Here, communities are demonised wholesale because it is politically convenient for the other side to work up fury and tribal tensions in order to cheat their way into power.
Entire communities are fed daily propaganda that they can only survive and do well in Kenya if one of their own is in the top seat. To achieve that, they must stick together and find one “vehicle” that will champion and protect their interests. We are never told how different those interests are from those of other Kenyans, and why those concerned want to hoard the goodies.
We sing and dance to this kind of music virtually every weekend, yet I have never heard of an official reprimand from anyone in Government. Whenever the “incitement” charge is made, it is very selective and soon fizzles out. This is why the action against Corsi rings so hollow.
The political climate we live in is silly, when you think of it, and a greater threat than anything that is happening in America now. But you are more likely to find people who go along with hate speech rather than those who will disagree and ask the authorities to lock up the culprit.
Yet when you buy bread, milk and sugar, you do not instinctively check the label to see where it came from and whose hands processed it.
You can entrust your treasured car to a mechanic from the dreaded community and rush your ailing child to a doctor from the region made up entirely of greedy people, but unquestioningly retreat into a tribal cocoon when it comes to politics. It doesn’t make sense. But then prejudice never does. ( This part is for the hate-mongers on Jukwaa) I have my doubts about Corsi’s prowess as an academician and researcher, but it is not anything to do with Obama. He was either unusually daring or congenitally foolish to try his latest stunt. The verdict is yours. loriang@eam.co.kewww.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/478700/-/3lx623/-/index.html einstein my sentiments on this Corsi thug!! KICKING CORSI OUT OF KENYA IS THE BEST MOVE THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA DID(AFTER THE BLUNDER WITH THE ARTUR BROTHERS MERCENARIES mercenary )When an individual like Corsi travels to Kenya on a Tourist Visa then turns round and sets up shop to do business in Kenya without a work permit that is illegal and I strongly believe the government of kenya was very lenient with Corsi guy and in fact he should have been locked up for 2 months as the law requires. If a Kenyan entered the United states with a visitors visa and started working openly?? without a work permit what do you think will be the USA government reaction??? do you sincerely believe they will allow this Kenyans individual to apply for a working visa/permit on USA soil??? hey get real!! so why do you imagine the Kenyan government should treat this thug Corsi any different to the treatment that Kenyans get when they enter the USA on visitors visa and are caught working?? they get deported after being looked up in jail and questioned!!! sometimes for more than 2 months Corsi is an evil human being and he should never return on Kenyan soil... an American coming in our country to abuse and smear the name of Obama who is half Kenyan irregardless of anything is out of question period!!And for those kenyans who hosted him and encouraged him to launch his smear campaign and book they must be told tribal hatred and greed in Kenya is out of order and they should be exposed with immediate effect.. they are a danger to the kenyan society and healing process...
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Post by einstein on Oct 12, 2008 0:55:13 GMT 3
Kicking Corsi out felt good but left a bad taste in the mouth ARE WE SUPPOSED TO cheer the fact that the Government threw out the anti-Obama author, Jerome Corsi? Boo to the person who made that decision. Whoever you are, you have proved once again that this country is the bedrock of intolerance. The book is a hatchet job, by most accounts. Corsi probably knows it, hence his attempt to sneak up to us with it. But that is no reason to hound the man out of town. The Big Brother mentality went out of the window ages ago. You could simply have asked him to apply for the right visa and let him try to convince us that the man from Kogelo is evil personified. There’s no reason to underestimate our intelligence – though you can never be too sure about that when the issue is political. Instead, you fell into a predictable trap. The man must be crowing to high heaven. Now the discredited Corsi has yet another reason to flog his book to the masses of people who want to see a conspiracy in everything under the sun. The legend is that Corsi went against the terms of his visa, which indicated that he and a friend were here simply as visitors eager to see the best of our wildlife and game parks. Launching the book on the man he loves to hate was officially a commercial agenda, and supposedly enough, reason to put him on a midnight flight out of Nairobi. But there are times when our actions can be hopelessly counter-productive, and we must be on the lookout for such pitfalls. Negative publicity is the last thing we want hanging over our heads right now, no matter how justified the response to provocation. And that is precisely what Corsi’s business was all about. He must be laughing his head off, wherever he has taken his malicious propaganda. Now he has material for a second book, if he is up to it. The antidote to people who lie and seek cheap publicity is not to play the game by their rules. Deporting him definitely fits in that category. Obama Nation is hardly worth the aggravation, going by every account I have come across. We have made a victim of a nondescript writer of a book that has been trashed elsewhere for its inaccuracies. The knee-jerk reaction to people, things and situations we do not like will be the undoing of this country. We saw it in January. There is no blood on the floor this time round, but the co-ordinates are the same. Yet there is an undeniable feel-good sentiment about his eviction in many of the people I have met since. There is a good basis for that, if you have a traditional outlook on life. In this scenario, letting Corsi loose on the Kenyan public would amount to rolling out the red carpet for a guest only for him to turn around and hurl insults at you and your family. You would be a lucky guest if you came out of that homestead unscathed. INDEED, THE JOKE DOING THE rounds is that the immigration guys need not have done anything more than approve the launch, the only condition being that it would be held at the biggest stadium in Kisumu and advertised widely. This is the point at which you are supposed to laugh until the tears come to your eyes. But we cannot even afford to smile. Corsi was here for only a handful of days. We have to live day in, day out with the same kind of mindset that his book pushes. Scare-mongering and deliberate efforts to fire up ethnic tensions is the staple of our politics. In the US, the bogeyman is communists. Here, communities are demonised wholesale because it is politically convenient for the other side to work up fury and tribal tensions in order to cheat their way into power.
Entire communities are fed daily propaganda that they can only survive and do well in Kenya if one of their own is in the top seat. To achieve that, they must stick together and find one “vehicle” that will champion and protect their interests. We are never told how different those interests are from those of other Kenyans, and why those concerned want to hoard the goodies.
We sing and dance to this kind of music virtually every weekend, yet I have never heard of an official reprimand from anyone in Government. Whenever the “incitement” charge is made, it is very selective and soon fizzles out. This is why the action against Corsi rings so hollow.
The political climate we live in is silly, when you think of it, and a greater threat than anything that is happening in America now. But you are more likely to find people who go along with hate speech rather than those who will disagree and ask the authorities to lock up the culprit.
Yet when you buy bread, milk and sugar, you do not instinctively check the label to see where it came from and whose hands processed it.
You can entrust your treasured car to a mechanic from the dreaded community and rush your ailing child to a doctor from the region made up entirely of greedy people, but unquestioningly retreat into a tribal cocoon when it comes to politics. It doesn’t make sense. But then prejudice never does. ( This part is for the hate-mongers on Jukwaa) I have my doubts about Corsi’s prowess as an academician and researcher, but it is not anything to do with Obama. He was either unusually daring or congenitally foolish to try his latest stunt. The verdict is yours. loriang@eam.co.kewww.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/478700/-/3lx623/-/index.html einstein my sentiments on this Corsi thug!! KICKING CORSI OUT OF KENYA IS THE BEST MOVE THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA DID(AFTER THE BLUNDER WITH THE ARTUR BROTHERS MERCENARIES mercenary )When an individual like Corsi travels to Kenya on a Tourist Visa then turns round and sets up shop to do business in Kenya without a work permit that is illegal and I strongly believe the government of kenya was very lenient with Corsi guy and in fact he should have been locked up for 2 months as the law requires. If a Kenyan entered the United states with a visitors visa and started working openly?? without a work permit what do you think will be the USA government reaction??? do you sincerely believe they will allow this Kenyans individual to apply for a working visa/permit on USA soil??? hey get real!! so why do you imagine the Kenyan government should treat this thug Corsi any different to the treatment that Kenyans get when they enter the USA on visitors visa and are caught working?? they get deported after being looked up in jail and questioned!!! sometimes for more than 2 months Corsi is an evil human being and he should never return on Kenyan soil... an American coming in our country to abuse and smear the name of Obama who is half Kenyan irregardless of anything is out of question period!!And for those kenyans who hosted him and encouraged him to launch his smear campaign and book they must be told tribal hatred and greed in Kenya is out of order and they should be exposed with immediate effect.. they are a danger to the kenyan society and healing process... Tiskie, The article you have quoted is not from me! It is from Lucy Oriang' of The Daily Nation!! You can read my views elsewhere on this very thread about Dr. Corsi!
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Post by einstein on Oct 13, 2008 1:52:25 GMT 3
State scored own goal in Corsi sagaBy Njoki Ndung’u Besides betraying the Government’s regrettable intolerance, the hasty expulsion of Dr Jerome Corsi from the country may have unwittingly played into his plot and delivered what he precisely schemed to achieve. Personally, having met and spoken with Senator Barack Obama during his last visit to Kenya, I am a great admirer of his; and as an individual with ideological leanings towards the Democratic Party, I avidly support his quest for the White House. I regard him as truly meriting the most powerful political office in the world through his charisma and intellect. Compared to the Republican candidate John McCain, I consider Obama to be the person most able to provide genuine catalytic change of eight years of George Bush’s conservative right wing administration. Naturally, therefore, I would love to despise Obama haters especially when, like in the case of Corsi, they seem guided by a pathological, personal and petty dislike for him for reasons that suggest underlying negative racial tones. I however feel actions like the forced exit of the controversial writer have more potential for harm than good for the Democrat’s ambitions. Obama’s supporters must be vigilant against well-intentioned deeds that could play into the hands of his vicious opponents determined to paint him in ugly colours. In deporting Corsi, the Government, in my opinion, not only over-reacted but behaved illegally and unconstitutionally. It seems to have been guided by the Obamania that has gripped the nation. And from the unfolding controversy, this over-zealousness may have been counter-productive. It may have given Obama haters the kind of ammo they desperately need to clip his soaring wings. A more sober and diligent approach to the US maverick author would have raised some useful cause-and-effect scenarios that would have perhaps dictated different tactics in handling him. Why, for instance, did Corsi choose the country as the launch-pad for his controversial book? What mileage did he hope to get by traveling so many miles and incurring significant costs just to release The Obama Nation? Was it a mere idiosyncrasy or a carefully thought out plan that set to achieve specific targets? There are good indicators that the latter guided his motives. As home to the father of Obama, Corsi must have rightfully assumed that this country is manically pro-Democrat. Considering the scandalous and libelous content of his book, he must have anticipated a hostile reception from his passionate supporters. In any case, from his planned sinister visits to the Senator’s distant kin, he had made it abundantly clear that he was man on a discrediting mission. He must be ecstatic at the turn of events. His plot seems to have yielded more than he probably expected. It is unlikely he envisaged the Government actively joining the disgusted ranks for his agenda. Tie Obama to his woes in Kenya The generated publicity and controversy must have been like manna from heaven for him. He wanted a headline; we gave him headlines! Whatever is remaining for him and his assumed supporters is to somehow tie Obama to his woes in Kenya. That would not be far-fetched. The gist of Corsi book is after all to punch huge holes in Obama’s personal credibility. Besides alleging the Senator’s childhood links to radical Islam, the author has laboured to string the presidential candidate to ties with the Odinga family and specifically, to Prime Minister Raila. His work paints the portrait of a radical communist intolerant to divergent opinion and who would not hesitate embracing unconstitutional and even criminal pursuits to power. Unfit to leadCorsi claims Obama funded Raila and ODM campaigns in last year elections and suggests the Democrat may have, by proxy, played a hand in the post-election chaos. That would mean the leading White House wannabe is of violent disposition and therefore unfit to command the instruments of a super power. He further portrays him as a hypocritical and selfish socialist who suffers no qualms abandoning blood relatives in squalor while he indulges in the opulence of the nouveau riche. The planned visit to Obama half-brother in Huruma was intended to do just that. In fact my considered opinion is that The Obama Nation is an abomination! In the view of many a reasonable man or woman, it is a repugnant and heretic fiction chiefly designed to besmirch the subject’s name unfairly. HospitalityWhatever the case, however, this country has no right to breach Corsi’s fundamental right to dignified treatment. The Government’s claim that he abused local hospitality by undertaking "business" activities while on a tourist visa is disingenuous. It is common knowledge that many visitors dabble in all manner of trade and business while in the country without prosecution. Furthermore, if that were his crime, wouldn’t we have just stopped him from launching the book without subjecting him to the serious criminal treatment: did he really warrant the persona non grata reserved for the likes of the Artur Brothers? Did his actions really pose any security threat to the country? How many Kenyans, anyway, would have bothered reading his book? And assuming they did, is the content sufficiently persuading to erode their love for Obama? What if the latter happened? Just how many active US voters are in the country? Are they in sufficient numbers to alter the outcome of the US Presidential race? And having kicked him out of the country, does that mean the book is not accessible globally and even on the internet? Kenya is a signatory to several international charters and accords on basic human rights. Criminal behaviourThese proclaim how countries, their sovereignty status notwithstanding, should treat visitors. Others extend to the common courtesies for treating foreigners including pesky types like Corsi who may be inclined to irritating the host. The underlying rationale is that human beings are potentially troublesome and prone to offending general decorum, but we can and should remain hospitable unless the behaviour is criminal. As a nation, we must question the legitimacy of this particular deportation with the same lens we would apply to a citizen whose freedom of expression and association has been curtailed for having unpopular views. Since when did our Constitution, instead of supporting freedom and tolerance, suspend human rights and provide that we deport those with whose ideas we disagree? I note with dismay the silence that many diplomats, human rights organisations and politicians have maintained on this particular case. (You try and deport any American citizen next year after the US Election and you will see the pandemonium it will create! As a country nursing to recover the vital tourism industry ravaged by the ugly events at the beginning of the year, we need as many visitors to the country as we can. A good number of tourists from the US are, for instance, card-carrying Republicans who might rightly take offence at our Government’s manifest intolerance to one of their own. We can ill afford alacrity of, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs jargon, ‘withholding favour’ to any spending foreigner who confesses hate for those we love even when this has no remote bearing on our bigger national interests. ToleranceIn handling Corsi, the Government squandered a good opportunity to demonstrate its tolerance and magnanimity even to the offensive. Had it allowed him to launch his book, it would have been a massive PR coup on his plot. By calling his bluff and allowing him unfettered space to unveil his vitriolic stuff, it is likely the book would have registered a brief presence and petered off into deserved insignificance while Obama fan base continued its massive growth. I fear what has just happened may do just the opposite. — Njoki S Ndungu (ndungunjoki@yahoo.com) is an advocate of the High Court of Kenya and a former Nominated MP www.eastandard.net/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=1143996737&cid=491&
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Post by tiskie on Oct 13, 2008 3:09:36 GMT 3
State scored own goal in Corsi sagaBy Njoki Ndung’u Besides betraying the Government’s regrettable intolerance, the hasty expulsion of Dr Jerome Corsi from the country may have unwittingly played into his plot and delivered what he precisely schemed to achieve. Personally, having met and spoken with Senator Barack Obama during his last visit to Kenya, I am a great admirer of his; and as an individual with ideological leanings towards the Democratic Party, I avidly support his quest for the White House. I regard him as truly meriting the most powerful political office in the world through his charisma and intellect. Compared to the Republican candidate John McCain, I consider Obama to be the person most able to provide genuine catalytic change of eight years of George Bush’s conservative right wing administration. Naturally, therefore, I would love to despise Obama haters especially when, like in the case of Corsi, they seem guided by a pathological, personal and petty dislike for him for reasons that suggest underlying negative racial tones. I however feel actions like the forced exit of the controversial writer have more potential for harm than good for the Democrat’s ambitions. Obama’s supporters must be vigilant against well-intentioned deeds that could play into the hands of his vicious opponents determined to paint him in ugly colours. In deporting Corsi, the Government, in my opinion, not only over-reacted but behaved illegally and unconstitutionally. It seems to have been guided by the Obamania that has gripped the nation. And from the unfolding controversy, this over-zealousness may have been counter-productive. It may have given Obama haters the kind of ammo they desperately need to clip his soaring wings. A more sober and diligent approach to the US maverick author would have raised some useful cause-and-effect scenarios that would have perhaps dictated different tactics in handling him. Why, for instance, did Corsi choose the country as the launch-pad for his controversial book? What mileage did he hope to get by traveling so many miles and incurring significant costs just to release The Obama Nation? Was it a mere idiosyncrasy or a carefully thought out plan that set to achieve specific targets? There are good indicators that the latter guided his motives. As home to the father of Obama, Corsi must have rightfully assumed that this country is manically pro-Democrat. Considering the scandalous and libelous content of his book, he must have anticipated a hostile reception from his passionate supporters. In any case, from his planned sinister visits to the Senator’s distant kin, he had made it abundantly clear that he was man on a discrediting mission. He must be ecstatic at the turn of events. His plot seems to have yielded more than he probably expected. It is unlikely he envisaged the Government actively joining the disgusted ranks for his agenda. Tie Obama to his woes in Kenya The generated publicity and controversy must have been like manna from heaven for him. He wanted a headline; we gave him headlines! Whatever is remaining for him and his assumed supporters is to somehow tie Obama to his woes in Kenya. That would not be far-fetched. The gist of Corsi book is after all to punch huge holes in Obama’s personal credibility. Besides alleging the Senator’s childhood links to radical Islam, the author has laboured to string the presidential candidate to ties with the Odinga family and specifically, to Prime Minister Raila. His work paints the portrait of a radical communist intolerant to divergent opinion and who would not hesitate embracing unconstitutional and even criminal pursuits to power. Unfit to leadCorsi claims Obama funded Raila and ODM campaigns in last year elections and suggests the Democrat may have, by proxy, played a hand in the post-election chaos. That would mean the leading White House wannabe is of violent disposition and therefore unfit to command the instruments of a super power. He further portrays him as a hypocritical and selfish socialist who suffers no qualms abandoning blood relatives in squalor while he indulges in the opulence of the nouveau riche. The planned visit to Obama half-brother in Huruma was intended to do just that. In fact my considered opinion is that The Obama Nation is an abomination! In the view of many a reasonable man or woman, it is a repugnant and heretic fiction chiefly designed to besmirch the subject’s name unfairly. HospitalityWhatever the case, however, this country has no right to breach Corsi’s fundamental right to dignified treatment. The Government’s claim that he abused local hospitality by undertaking "business" activities while on a tourist visa is disingenuous. It is common knowledge that many visitors dabble in all manner of trade and business while in the country without prosecution. Furthermore, if that were his crime, wouldn’t we have just stopped him from launching the book without subjecting him to the serious criminal treatment: did he really warrant the persona non grata reserved for the likes of the Artur Brothers? Did his actions really pose any security threat to the country? How many Kenyans, anyway, would have bothered reading his book? And assuming they did, is the content sufficiently persuading to erode their love for Obama? What if the latter happened? Just how many active US voters are in the country? Are they in sufficient numbers to alter the outcome of the US Presidential race? And having kicked him out of the country, does that mean the book is not accessible globally and even on the internet? Kenya is a signatory to several international charters and accords on basic human rights. Criminal behaviourThese proclaim how countries, their sovereignty status notwithstanding, should treat visitors. Others extend to the common courtesies for treating foreigners including pesky types like Corsi who may be inclined to irritating the host. The underlying rationale is that human beings are potentially troublesome and prone to offending general decorum, but we can and should remain hospitable unless the behaviour is criminal. As a nation, we must question the legitimacy of this particular deportation with the same lens we would apply to a citizen whose freedom of expression and association has been curtailed for having unpopular views. Since when did our Constitution, instead of supporting freedom and tolerance, suspend human rights and provide that we deport those with whose ideas we disagree? I note with dismay the silence that many diplomats, human rights organisations and politicians have maintained on this particular case. (You try and deport any American citizen next year after the US Election and you will see the pandemonium it will create! As a country nursing to recover the vital tourism industry ravaged by the ugly events at the beginning of the year, we need as many visitors to the country as we can. A good number of tourists from the US are, for instance, card-carrying Republicans who might rightly take offence at our Government’s manifest intolerance to one of their own. We can ill afford alacrity of, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs jargon, ‘withholding favour’ to any spending foreigner who confesses hate for those we love even when this has no remote bearing on our bigger national interests. ToleranceIn handling Corsi, the Government squandered a good opportunity to demonstrate its tolerance and magnanimity even to the offensive. Had it allowed him to launch his book, it would have been a massive PR coup on his plot. By calling his bluff and allowing him unfettered space to unveil his vitriolic stuff, it is likely the book would have registered a brief presence and petered off into deserved insignificance while Obama fan base continued its massive growth. I fear what has just happened may do just the opposite. — Njoki S Ndungu (ndungunjoki@yahoo.com) is an advocate of the High Court of Kenya and a former Nominated MP www.eastandard.net/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=1143996737&cid=491& Einstein Oh Please people like Njoki Ndungu are individuals that I would not waste my time reading their comments.. I watched madam \ndungu closesly when Kenya was burning after elections when she accompanied Maina Kiai abroad to speak on what was happening in kenya and unlike maina Kiai Njoki was busy supporting Kibaki and hsi PNU party trying very hard not to show her stand but she couldn't just help herself while Maina Kiai was upfront and factual on what exactly was wrong with the elections and why..... Can Miss Ndungu show us where in the Kenyan Law are foreigners allowed to work with visitors visa's without applying for Work permits?? unless she is one of those lawyers who protects illigel immigrants on Kenyans soil instead of protecting kenyans... Secondly I totally disagree with her point that the Corsi thug by the Kenya government deporting him received more ammunition against Obama that is horse shit... unless Ms Ndungu watches and listens to the shady news media like FOX then I sincerely believe she is really misinformed- I have yet to see Corsi taking the center stage on CNN or BBC or other news media that are trusted around the world. I'm surprised Njoki sees this as a human rights issues that is bull-shit it all boils down to Corsi mislead the immigrations department when he was applying for his visa!!! he applied for a visitors visa not a work permit!!! in this regard his behavior was criminal. I still maintain that the government of Kenya was right to through him out of the country and it was done legally. Njoki should also tell as which of her cronies in the PNU party hosted Corsi?? since it seems she has come out criticizing the government on their behave!! and I dare Ms Ndungu to cross over to the states on a visitors visa and start her law practice without a work permit and see how the American immigrations department will treat her( I guess she expects them to give her a form to apply for a work permit while she is in America and she will be granted one within a few weeks "right" just like she would have liked the Kenyan government to treat Corsi the thug!!!! I DOUBT WHETHER THE AMERICAN IMMIGRATION DEPARTMENT WOULD TREAT MS NDUNGU ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY THE KENYANS GOVERNMENT TREATED CORSI FOR LACK OF A WORK PERMIT!!!! Corsi come to Kenya to launch a smear and dirty campaign by invitation from some very evil and greedy Kenya individuals who wanted to use Obama and his family(Brother) and Raila - and many kenyans already know who was involved in this big saga to smear Obama.... Njoki Ndungu can tell us who this individuals are since she is busy criticizing the government on their behave!!! Einstein nothing in Ms Ndungu argument makes since except to all the anti- obama smear campaigners in Kenya!!!!!!
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Post by einstein on Oct 13, 2008 4:17:06 GMT 3
Tiskie,
I'm fully on your side as far as Corsi is concerned!!
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Post by kamalet on Oct 13, 2008 10:32:12 GMT 3
To a large extent, I would like to agree with Njoki Ndung'u to the extent that perhaps we lost the opportunity to trash Corsi's agenda. Quite a bit of her writing is irrelevant activism based on nothing.
For instance at the launch of his book, Kenyans with facts would have disapproved a lot of the garbarge that Corsi has written with regard to Kenya and its relationship with the Obama campaign. For instance, could he provide proof that Raila actually got funding from Obama or even for the chaos? What about the alleged links of Raila and muslim fundamentalists and the linkage to Obama - many know this was Kenyan political propaganda and we should have been allowed to challenge Corsi on all these things at the press conference he was stopped from addressing.
I appreciate that it would have been difficult to organise a sane conference due to passions being high and it would have been inevitable there would have been a breach of the peace leading to even worse scenarios.
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Post by mimimzalendo on Oct 13, 2008 18:07:58 GMT 3
the despicable mugikuyu traitor yuko hapa, spilling the beans as to whom invited Dr. Corsi
no surprises that its the usual MBECA crowd!!!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 13, 2008 18:37:51 GMT 3
the despicable mugikuyu traitor yuko hapa, spilling the beans as to whom invited Dr. Corsi no surprises that its the usual MBECA crowd!!! Amazing how a non enitity from here can stop the operations of a whole Govt for 24hrs. Yaani we did not learn from the mamluki saga? What were the names of those thugs who befirended the sloths familia called? How the MKM has handled foreign affairs is even worse than how they have handled the economy and social - economic progess. Utter failures these idiots are.
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Post by tiskie on Oct 13, 2008 18:53:37 GMT 3
the despicable mugikuyu traitor yuko hapa, spilling the beans as to whom invited Dr. Corsi no surprises that its the usual MBECA crowd!!! All this should point out to kenyans that the falsehood and pretense of a certain tribe to reconcile with the rest of the tribes in kenya will not happen!!! the hatred for other tribes is so deep that they will created or forge any sotries or documents just to smear and abuse individuals who they term a danger to their 2012 elections that is if they think Obama as a President will not tolerate their rigging and looting of the government assets while in turn asking for aid from North America. Kibaki and cronies like Uhuru and Kalonzo Musyoka (who sources say are some of the individuals who encouraged Corsi TO LAUNCH A SMEAR CAMPAIGN ON OBAMA WHILE TRYING TO BASH RAILA TOO) which backfired on their ugly faces of course they prefer McCain who will continue the course of George Bush allow them to stay in power so long as they load all the kenyans who they suspect to be terrorist(remember this is falsehood from Kibaki government to get funds from USA) to Guantanamo bay jail! I SAY TO THESE EVIL KENYAN PEOPLE FILLED WITH HATRED THAT THE WORLD HAS CHANGED ALL OVER AND STAYING THE COURSE IS NOT AN OPTION!!!! DEMOCRACY RULES EVEN IF IT TAKES A BIT LONGER THAN EXPECTED!! (check the global markets!! investors have changed the way the stock markets will work forever!! lack of trust for big institution like the federal reserves!!- Democracy flows the same way!! lack of trust and respect for leaders will lead to fast and swift democracies!!
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Post by kamalet on Oct 14, 2008 23:01:23 GMT 3
Why is it so difficult for the tribal bigots in jukwaa to have the courage of naming this "certain tribe" as simply KIKUYUS without hiding behind silly epithets?
Some people need to grow up!
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Post by tiskie on Oct 14, 2008 23:11:15 GMT 3
Kamalet are you disappointed?? why should it bother you! any intelligent individual can read between the lines and use diplomacy to state their case on here- if that bugs you then too bad.. you are the tribal bigot and if you have a bone to chew with bloggers on here then do so without being abusive!!
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Post by einstein on Oct 14, 2008 23:18:13 GMT 3
Why is it so difficult for the tribal bigots in jukwaa to have the courage of naming this "certain tribe" as simply KIKUYUS without hiding behind silly epithets? Some people need to grow up! Kamalet, It is simply high time OO took the necessary punitive action against such bigots! I still remember the day OO yanked my membership for simply disagreeing with a Vintage Jukwaa member (I had used no epithets at all)!!! But again, times change!!
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