THE OBAMA DECEPTION

[wanyee]

Ndugu zangu,

I believe that this recently released film (15th March 2009) should serve to clear up any doubts on the Obama debate:

Part 1 -

Part 2 -

Part 3 -

Part 4 -

Part 5 -

Part 6 -

Part 7 -

Part 8 -

Part 9 -

Part 10 -

Part 11 -

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If anyone wishes to challenge the facts depicted in this film, please be very specific.

wanyee

[deyiengs]

What are they all about, summarize for busy folks

[einstein]

Wanyee,

With ALL due respect, it is one thing to post links, it is completely another thing to expound on them. Please DO NOT expect me to expound on links posted by yourself!

Please go ahead and tell us something more about "the Obama Deception" as an interlude to your posted video clips. It has got to be your very own thoughts Wanyee!!

Please do not expect others to do the chewing for you, so you can only swallow!!! No, this is Jukwaa Wanyee!!

Waiting, Einstein!!!!!!

[enigma]

Indeed Wanyee, I refuse to open youtube postings unless its on the political humour thread elsewhere on Jukwaa. Please first contextualize and then we might indulge your videos.

[adongo23456]

Wanyee,

I am comfortable with the president. He was amazing today with that online "town hall" thing.

But I know President Barack Obama never campaigned to be this guy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin

I will take what Barack brings. Quite refreshing. This is a war my friend. Its dimensions are boundless. That is what I know.

adongo

[politicalmaniac]

Indeed I also just looked at the numerous links and wondered what the f@ck they are about.
Can the poster give a hint as to what they are about b4 i wade in? Is it about the birth certificate issue or the fascism insults or what?

[wanyee]

Ndugu zangu,

You all know that this is not the first time that links have been posted on Jukwaa without any commentary, so that readers can analyze them before discussion.

The point of doing this is to give others the opportunity to weigh the “evidence” presented, for themselves, rather than it being “chewed” first, for them to simply swallow. Consider this as an “exhibit”. Look at it, turn it over in your hands, and then we can have a meaningful debate. How can we otherwise? Based on my analysis?

If I were to do expound first, as Einstein is suggesting, then I would be giving you my opinion before you have had the chance to analyze the evidence” for yourselves - and then you will probably complain about my analysis being biased. We cannot have a meaningful debate, before you have taken the time to even LOOK at the “evidence” presented.

Btw, I refer to it as “evidence”, because this film is based on FACTS. That is why I expected you to be objective enough, to at least take the time to watch it. Those of you who are criticizing me now, usually seem to have the time to watch and post all sorts of clips from YouTube. You have been doing it for the past year – wrt Obama et al.

I could easily share my analysis - it doesn’t take too much. I could post some notes for those who genuinely don’t have the time (like deyiengs and others). In fact, it would be my pleasure, because my objective is to sensitize and not simply argue for the sake of it.

However, I believe that it would be better to give you / others the opportunity to analyze the “evidence” first, and then we can begin a thorough dialogue on this issue. You are not helping yourselves or others, by attacking me, because it is not about me. Let us all be objective, if we expect to get anywhere.

I therefore strongly encourage you to take the time to watch these short documentary-film. I have done so several times already, and I do not see why you cannot do the same. Unless, of course, you genuinely are unable to do so.

wanyee

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Meanwhile, here are a few quotes to get us warmed up:

“Barrack Obama has been given a pass by the blue bloods. He’s been given the o.k by certain secret societies for them to let him in. I truly believe imperialism and facism needs a facelift, and a facelift is gonna have to be black. And the reason why I believe that is simply because I think they’re trying to get into Africa, well, they’re already in Africa, but they wanna totally control all the natural minerals that they’re gonna need to carry themselves into the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd centuries – you follow me? So I think that they have to go through a phase of galvanizing the masses of dark-skinned people that truly believe that change needs to come, but the change that they’re talking about is not necessarily change for the better, as far as the masses of the people. It’s probably a better change for ‘them’. It’s not gonna change for us, the little man on the totem pole. And no-one looks at the agenda. As long as he positions himself right, has the right tie on, has the right smile, repeats the slogans over and over, and drives it, and drives it home, the average American is just gonna swallow it hook, line, and sinker. And we don’t even know what the agenda is” [Professor Griff: Founding Member, Public Enemy]

“The other thing about the American presidency you got to remember is that this is a puppet position. It’s automatically going to be a puppet position. The idea that Obama is somebody who’s going to come in and exercise real authority, when he’s obviously been chosen and given all that he’s got by these financiers…They give him the money, they give him the bundling, they give him vote fraud, they give him the media is that yous, they give him goons. They even have elected officials making threats to put people in jail if they criticize Obama in public. All of this is the mark of a puppet, and that means he is a puppet - actually more of a puppet than anybody else. More of a puppet than Mrs. Clinton would have been. Even more of a puppet than McCain. He’s the maximum puppet that we’ve had, certainly since Jimmy Carter” [Webster Tarpley: Author, Historian]

“They put a black face on the New World Order, and now we’re all happy. KRS ain’t buying it” [KRS One: Hip Hop artist]

[kamalet]

Bloody laziness at its best!!! Take a look at the clip and then dismiss it - do not shoot the messenger!

I took the time to look at a couple of the clips and came to the safe conclusion that just like all other conspiracy theories about some secret hideous societies that determine where the sun shines and who rules the roost, this is another one backed by what the authors believe are facts to support their case. At the end of the day it is the viewers' subjective view that will determine if these incidents are true or just merely coincidental and against which the authors take literary licence to advance their theory!

[kingtut]

My dear friend, please tell us what the post is about.

[kamalet]

Mar 27, 2009 13:30:27 GMT 3 @kingtut said:

My dear friend, please tell us what the post is about.

...and please do not ask me to read this for you!!!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

[genius]

Come on Wanyee, I do not think statements by rappers like Public enemy and KRS 1 can be taken seriously here. Those are a bunch of gang-bangers and we are supposed to take their word seriously just because they are speaking against Obama.

[einstein]

Mar 27, 2009 7:34:55 GMT 3 wanyee said:

Ndugu zangu,

You all know that this is not the first time that links have been posted on Jukwaa without any commentary, so that readers can analyze them before discussion.

The point of doing this is to give others the opportunity to weigh the “evidence” presented, for themselves, rather than it being “chewed” first, for them to simply swallow. Consider this as an “exhibit”. Look at it, turn it over in your hands, and then we can have a meaningful debate. How can we otherwise? Based on my analysis?

If I were to do expound first, as Einstein is suggesting, then I would be giving you my opinion before you have had the chance to analyze the evidence” for yourselves - and then you will probably complain about my analysis being biased. We cannot have a meaningful debate, before you have taken the time to even LOOK at the “evidence” presented.

Btw, I refer to it as “evidence”, because this film is based on FACTS. That is why I expected you to be objective enough, to at least take the time to watch it. Those of you who are criticizing me now, usually seem to have the time to watch and post all sorts of clips from YouTube. You have been doing it for the past year – wrt Obama et al.

I could easily share my analysis - it doesn’t take too much. I could post some notes for those who genuinely don’t have the time (like deyiengs and others). In fact, it would be my pleasure, because my objective is to sensitize and not simply argue for the sake of it.

However, I believe that it would be better to give you / others the opportunity to analyze the “evidence” first, and then we can begin a thorough dialogue on this issue. You are not helping yourselves or others, by attacking me, because it is not about me. Let us all be objective, if we expect to get anywhere.

I therefore strongly encourage you to take the time to watch these short documentary-film. I have done so several times already, and I do not see why you cannot do the same. Unless, of course, you genuinely are unable to do so.

wanyee

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Meanwhile, here are a few quotes to get us warmed up:

“Barrack Obama has been given a pass by the blue bloods. He’s been given the o.k by certain secret societies for them to let him in. I truly believe imperialism and facism needs a facelift, and a facelift is gonna have to be black. And the reason why I believe that is simply because I think they’re trying to get into Africa, well, they’re already in Africa, but they wanna totally control all the natural minerals that they’re gonna need to carry themselves into the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd centuries – you follow me? So I think that they have to go through a phase of galvanizing the masses of dark-skinned people that truly believe that change needs to come, but the change that they’re talking about is not necessarily change for the better, as far as the masses of the people. It’s probably a better change for ‘them’. It’s not gonna change for us, the little man on the totem pole. And no-one looks at the agenda. As long as he positions himself right, has the right tie on, has the right smile, repeats the slogans over and over, and drives it, and drives it home, the average American is just gonna swallow it hook, line, and sinker. And we don’t even know what the agenda is” [Professor Griff: Founding Member, Public Enemy]

“The other thing about the American presidency you got to remember is that this is a puppet position. It’s automatically going to be a puppet position. The idea that Obama is somebody who’s going to come in and exercise real authority, when he’s obviously been chosen and given all that he’s got by these financiers…They give him the money, they give him the bundling, they give him vote fraud, they give him the media is that yous, they give him goons. They even have elected officials making threats to put people in jail if they criticize Obama in public. All of this is the mark of a puppet, and that means he is a puppet - actually more of a puppet than anybody else. More of a puppet than Mrs. Clinton would have been. Even more of a puppet than McCain. He’s the maximum puppet that we’ve had, certainly since Jimmy Carter” [Webster Tarpley: Author, Historian]

“They put a black face on the New World Order, and now we’re all happy. KRS ain’t buying it” [KRS One: Hip Hop artist]

Wanyee,

Let people like Kamale call me "lazy", but I insist that you comment first before I can issue a rejoinder! Have you noticed that you only post links without your own comments? I ain't got time for that sort of debate!!!!

[wanyee]

Kamale: I appreciate your sensibility / objectivity, taking the time to at least watch a clip or two, and I respect you for doing that, regardless of what you think about the content. As for some, it isn’t just laziness, but baseless arrogance. In fact, I believe that some of these people are simply afraid of being wrong, particularly after all the emotion that they have invested in Obama so far.

Determining the authenticity of the content is how we will get to the bottom of things. I posted these links here in order to start a very crucial debate. I assure you, we will take this film apart, piece by piece.

It is time for the world to know what time it is.

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Genius: A gang-banger can also speak sense / truth sometimes. The late 2-Pac was one of the most well-known “gang-bangers”, but his lyrics were laced with a lot of truth / sense, which is the real reason why he didn’t live long. Thomas Huxley wrote that "it is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance". What ‘KRS One’ and ‘Professor Griff’ (from Public Enemy) have stated is true, regardless of what mainstream society thinks of them as individuals.

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Einstein: Wanjiku does not have to provide original comments to have a valid argument. Waving a piece of incriminating evidence may suffice. Before we embark on the present debate, let us begin with a simple litmus test that you have never satisfactorily addressed:

Since 9/11 was “the foundational event and the pretext for the current geopolitical structure” (including the invasions of Iraq / Afghanistan, the introduction of the Patriot Act etc), wouldn’t you agree that Obama is either oblivious of this critical FACT (because 9/11 is NO LONGER a “conspiracy theory”), or simply fulfilling the wishes of the “powers behind the throne”? (There can be no third option, such as “none of the above”)

I await your response to this particular question.

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King: “The Obama Deception” is about the real agenda of the global elite. As I told Kamale above, we will analyze the content / authenticity of this documentary-film, as we continue with the present discussion. I will wait for Einstein’s response on the 9/11 issue first, because that will be a good place to start (some say that “9/11 is the key”)

[einstein]

Mar 29, 2009 7:37:00 GMT 3 wanyee said:

Kamale: I appreciate your sensibility / objectivity, taking the time to at least watch a clip or two, and I respect you for doing that, regardless of what you think about the content. As for some, it isn’t just laziness, but baseless arrogance. In fact, I believe that some of these people are simply afraid of being wrong, particularly after all the emotion that they have invested in Obama so far.

Determining the authenticity of the content is how we will get to the bottom of things. I posted these links here in order to start a very crucial debate. I assure you, we will take this film apart, piece by piece.

It is time for the world to know what time it is.

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Genius: A gang-banger can also speak sense / truth sometimes. The late 2-Pac was one of the most well-known “gang-bangers”, but his lyrics were laced with a lot of truth / sense, which is the real reason why he didn’t live long. Thomas Huxley wrote that "it is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance". What ‘KRS One’ and ‘Professor Griff’ (from Public Enemy) have stated is true, regardless of what mainstream society thinks of them as individuals.

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Einstein: Wanjiku does not have to provide original comments to have a valid argument. Waving a piece of incriminating evidence may suffice. Before we embark on the present debate, let us begin with a simple litmus test that you have never satisfactorily addressed:

Since 9/11 was “the foundational event and the pretext for the current geopolitical structure” (including the invasions of Iraq / Afghanistan, the introduction of the Patriot Act etc), wouldn’t you agree that Obama is either oblivious of this critical FACT (because 9/11 is NO LONGER a “conspiracy theory”), or simply fulfilling the wishes of the “powers behind the throne”? (There can be no third option, such as “none of the above”)

I await your response to this particular question.

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King: “The Obama Deception” is about the real agenda of the global elite. As I told Kamale above, we will analyze the content / authenticity of this documentary-film, as we continue with the present discussion. I will wait for Einstein’s response on the 9/11 issue first, because that will be a good place to start (some say that “9/11 is the key”)

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“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win” – Mahatma Ghandi

Wanyee,

I respect you my brother! Intend to give a response to your post as soon as possible. But please note that I'm officially not on Jukwaa at the moment! In fact I owe Job a response to his very interesting thread on economic issues, but unfortunately I have other fights to fight elsewhere at the moment. I promise that as soon as I get time, I will come back to your post. Please do not get me wrong, I appreciate your posts and YOU GOT MY ATTENTION AS SOON AS TIME ALLOWS!!

I love you brother!

[mank]

About 3 months ago I spent quite a bit of time reading stuff that I believe is part of this "evidence", and that time I debated within myself as to whether any of what I read was worthy discussion here at Jukwaa. I decided it was not. If anything has changed, it is that Obama has proven beyond doubt to be the kind of leader that the world at large needs during this time. I could be wrong.

At least lest know what we need to discuss. Without direction we are all likely to be in 13 million discussions thinking we are in one.

[wanyee]

mank,

Thank you for joining this crucial discussion.

Do you think that 9/11 was an "inside job" or not?

I believe this would be a good place to start...

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Eintein,

Sina ubaya na wewe ndugu yangu. Nami pia nakupenda kama binadamu mwenzangu.

Nitakusubiri mpaka utakapokuwa tayari.

wanyee

[mank]

Mar 30, 2009 3:57:52 GMT 3 wanyee said:

mank,

Thank you for joining this crucial discussion.

Do you think that 9/11 was an "inside job" or not?

I believe this would be a good place to start...

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Eintein,

Sina ubaya na wewe ndugu yangu. Nami pia nakupenda kama binadamu mwenzangu.

Nitakusubiri mpaka utakapokuwa tayari.

wanyee

hi Wanyee,

Kweli, mjandala ni upi hapa? Umenipoteza! Tulianza na "Obama tusomjua".... sasa ni "eti 911 ilikuwa kazi ya ndani (if I had to answer your question on this I doubt you and I would have a debate, but am not sure how an answer to the question belongs to this thread)". Daraja ya haya mawili iko wapi ndugu yangu? Nishike mkno hapa na unielekeze. Mengi ni baadaye ndugu yangu.

[wanyee]

Ndugu mank,

Hamna kupotea. Mjadala ni ule ule mmoja.

Yale magorofa MATATU (sio mawili) yaliyoporomoshwa, yanahusiana kabisa na hili swala la Obama.

Kama nilivyomwambia Einstein hapo mbeleni:

9/11 was “the foundational event and the pretext for the current geopolitical structure” (including the invasions of Iraq / Afghanistan, the introduction of the Patriot Act etc).

Inaonekana kama unatashwishi kuhusu 9/11 kuwa “kazi ya ndani”. Ni kweli au la?

wanyee

[wanyee]

Einstein,

Bado nakungojea...

[job]

Wanyee,

You have on numerous times posed the question whether 9-11 was an inside job or not several times and repeatedly said 9/11 was “the foundational event and the pretext for the current geopolitical structure” (including the invasions of Iraq / Afghanistan, the introduction of the Patriot Act etc).

There seems to be little forthcoming answer as of yet - unless one that I missed.

But it is indeed a good/important question to ask.

I respectfully think it is time to get your side of the story too. Frankly, it's about time.

Was 9-11 an inside job or not?

What is the Obama deception in short?

Please don't answer the question with ANOTHER QUESTION and DON'T DODGE the question please- answer it for JUKWAA'S collective benefit. Please don't bounce the question back to me - like a ping pong game.

Just hit the nail on the head so we stop dancing around the cowpen. Knowlegde sharing is a virtue. Give your version of these events and tie your hypothesis up.

[mank]

Apr 14, 2009 1:14:08 GMT 3 wanyee said:

Einstein,

Bado nakungojea...

Wanyee,

Please contain the directionless conspiracy theory to this thread, even while you are not ready to say what it is all about. It is disturbing that you are trying to derail a very passionate thread, elsewhere, with this.

Perhaps if you state your point in this thread you will get the attention you seek.

[einstein]

Apr 14, 2009 1:19:13 GMT 3 wanyee said:

Einstein,

Bado nakungojea...

jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3141&page=1

Ndugu Wanyee,

I can hear your shout to me loud and clear! My brother, I got my hands full at the moment so much so I cannot engage in a meaningful discussion. But as soon as I manage to sort myself out, I will come back to you. This is my promise! In the mean time, please get the discussion going by giving your own account of the events surrounding 9/11. There are excellent Jukwaa sisters and brothers out there who will engage you in a meaningful discussion. Please DO NOT wait for me coz I do not know how much time I will need to fight my fights to a successful conclusion!

Job and Man K have challenged you on the topic. Please rise to the occasion the Jukwaa way and engage them accordingly!

Lots of respect brother!!

[wanyee]

job,

Yes, I have posed that question several times, as well as repeatedly stated that 9/11 was “the foundational event and the pretext for the current geopolitical structure” (including the invasions of Iraq / Afghanistan, the introduction of the Patriot Act etc). And yes, it is probably one of the most important questions that one can ask at this time, from both the international and national perspectives. I refer to this question as the “litmus test”, for the simple reason that it draws a very fine line in the sand – to separate truth from falsehood in the context of the debate.

When I first challenged the Obamamania here on Jukwaa, it was with this same simple question, and I believe that the reason why there has been no forthcoming answer (especially from those that I have directly addressed it to, including einstein and mank), is because there is ONLY ONE answer, and concurring has great implications, particularly for those who have emotionally invested into this sham.

“The Obama Deception” was only released on 15th March 2009, so we do not even have to delve into it, to begin see through this charade. We’ll cross that bridge, if we have to.

Let’s take it one step at a time.

I have been giving my side of the story since I came to Jukwaa (often using readily available examples / links, to reinforce my arguments). I have long stated that 9/11 was an inside job. The evidence is both overwhelming and irrefutable.

It follows, therefore, that there are ONLY TWO options:

1. Obama is oblivious of some serious facts.
OR
2. Obama is a puppet of the global elite.

What is your position on this Job?

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mank,

You are still talking about “conspiracy theories”, while avoiding the simple question that I previously asked you: do you think that 9/11 was an inside-job or not?

Please answer the question. There is a definitely direction here my friend.

Meanwhile, the message and philosophy of Rasta is primarily about truth, social justice, chanting down Babylon etc. I find it much more disturbing to see it misused.

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Einstein,

I am sure you can take the time to answer the same simple question.

Considering the facts that you and I have already agreed on (RE: 9/11), wouldn’t you agree that Obama is either oblivious of this critical FACT (because 9/11 is NO LONGER a “conspiracy theory”), or simply fulfilling the wishes of the “powers behind the throne”? (There can be no third option, such as “none of the above”)

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Adongo,

Einstein left me with no choice. He can run but he can’t hide.

[einstein]

Apr 17, 2009 23:08:30 GMT 3 wanyee said:

job,

Yes, I have posed that question several times, as well as repeatedly stated that 9/11 was “the foundational event and the pretext for the current geopolitical structure” (including the invasions of Iraq / Afghanistan, the introduction of the Patriot Act etc). And yes, it is probably one of the most important questions that one can ask at this time, from both the international and national perspectives. I refer to this question as the “litmus test”, for the simple reason that it draws a very fine line in the sand – to separate truth from falsehood in the context of the debate.

When I first challenged the Obamamania here on Jukwaa, it was with this same simple question, and I believe that the reason why there has been no forthcoming answer (especially from those that I have directly addressed it to, including einstein and mank), is because there is ONLY ONE answer, and concurring has great implications, particularly for those who have emotionally invested into this sham.

“The Obama Deception” was only released on 15th March 2009, so we do not even have to delve into it, to begin see through this charade. We’ll cross that bridge, if we have to.

Let’s take it one step at a time.

I have been giving my side of the story since I came to Jukwaa (often using readily available examples / links, to reinforce my arguments). I have long stated that 9/11 was an inside job. The evidence is both overwhelming and irrefutable.

It follows, therefore, that there are ONLY TWO options:

1. Obama is oblivious of some serious facts.
OR
2. Obama is a puppet of the global elite.

What is your position on this Job?

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mank,

You are still talking about “conspiracy theories”, while avoiding the simple question that I previously asked you: do you think that 9/11 was an inside-job or not?

Please answer the question. There is a definitely direction here my friend.

Meanwhile, the message and philosophy of Rasta is primarily about truth, social justice, chanting down Babylon etc. I find it much more disturbing to see it misused.

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Einstein,

I am sure you can take the time to answer the same simple question.

Considering the facts that you and I have already agreed on (RE: 9/11), wouldn’t you agree that Obama is either oblivious of this critical FACT (because 9/11 is NO LONGER a “conspiracy theory”), or simply fulfilling the wishes of the “powers behind the throne”? (There can be no third option, such as “none of the above”)

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Adongo,

Einstein left me with no choice. He can run but he can’t hide.

Ndugu Wanyee,


I can see how hard you are trying to get me engaged in this discussion even after I excused myself due to other more pressing personal matters that I need to urgently address.

It is not right when you accuse me as follows:

Einstein left me with no choice. He can run but he can’t hide.

My friend, I don't run away from challenges and have NEVER ever done that in my whole life thus far. If there are people on this board who have consistently defended their stand with facts on controversial issues, Einstein has always been one of them. I never shy away from controversies. So, your statement above does not portray the true picture of Einstein.

Furthermore, you make it sound like it is only Einstein who can meaningfully engage you on the topic at hand. Well, you are wrong! I have plenty of respect for the following people, among others, on Jukwaa when it comes to intelligent discourse: Job, Adongo, Man K, PM, Genius, Enigma, Mzee, Johns, Abdulmote, Jarateng', Phil, Akello, Sadik, Okhunyanye, Kathure and oh yes, Kamale and Dubois! And the list is endless my friend.

Please get all these people involved and you will surely end up with a very hot and charged discussion!!! You will simply be amazed! Just leave Einstein out for now. Like I said, I will be fully back at my own time!!

The ball is in your court Wanyee. And remember links alone are not helpful for an interesting debate to ensue. You will need to provide an in-depth analysis of 9/11 from your perspective in order to elicit animated responses from the above crew!

Go on Wanyee, just do it!!!

[wanyee]

Einstein et al,

I have clearly stated my “hypothesis” regarding Obama: that he is a puppet of the global elite (http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3092).

I also repeat: when I first challenged the Obamamania here on Jukwaa, it was via 9/11 issue. It is my belief that the reason why there has been no forthcoming answer (especially from those that I have directly addressed it to, including Einstein, mank and others), is because there is ONLY ONE answer. And concurring has great implications, particularly for those who have emotionally invested into this sham.

Again: “The Obama Deception” was only released on 15th March 2009, so we do not even have to delve into it, to begin see through this charade. We’ll cross that bridge, if we have to. The 9/11 issue will suffice for now.

Now, Einstein demonstrate why I am trying to engage you in this discussion:

On 27th April 2009 (RE: PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA - FOREIGN POLICY ON AFRICA; jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2776), your response to my challenge of the Obamamania (via the 9/11 issue) was as follows:

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Hi Wanyee,

In the country where I reside, there is quite a sizable number of people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job. They say, if the US did not do it themselves, then at least they hired someone to do it on their behalf.

This theory is further reinforced by the conspiracy theory video clips that I collected and posted right here on Jukwaa!

I do not want to bet on it, but the precision with which it was carried out and the way the twin towers crashed into themselves without toppling over is just too good to be true. It still reminds me of how they bring down sky-scrapers in the middle of huge cities without damaging nearby buildings!


Check out the vid clip here: Ring of Power. ILLUMINATI Bloodlines on this this thread

jukwaa.proboards58.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2508

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I then asked you a very simple question (the litmus test):

Einstein,

Do you think that Obama is aware of the fact that 9/11 was an "inside-job"?

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You then posted the following:

Please sign the petition. I know we are all tired of these petitions but I figured if we can get 5000 signatures we can blow it up in the media. That would make a good story for them...
www.thepetitionsite.com/1/waki-re....ure-of-impunity

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My response:

Einstein,

I am still waiting for your response, which should be a simple "yes" or "no".

Please keep in mind that 9/11 was the foundational event, the pretext of the current geopolitical structure, including the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

A few basic facts concerning 9/11:

1. William Rodriguez, the hero of 9/11 and last man out of the North Tower on September the 11th, witnessed massive explosions in the basement of the tower right before the first plane hit.

2. WTC #1 & #2 fell at near free fall speed and everything was pulverized into dust. The explanation known as the "pancake theory" fails to answer why undamaged floors offered no resistance as the collapse unfolded, violating the Law of Conservation of Momentum.

3. WTC building #7, a 47 storey steel framed building that was not hit by a plane, collapsed vertically in 6.5 seconds, much like a controlled demolition. Many important files relating to the Enron and MCI WorldCom investigations were lost in the collapse. Why was this building not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report?

4. Why was it never explained what caused so much steel to turn into molten metal below WTC buildings #1, #2, and #7?

5. Wargames were held on the morning of September 11th, which included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue?

6. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand by the US Military "Able Danger" program. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.

7. Unidentified insiders made millions the week leading up to 9/11 when an extremely high number of "PUT options" were placed specifically on American and United Airlines indicating someone knew these stocks would soon decrease in value.

8. Pakistani ISI Agent, Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to "Al-Qaeda"), wired $100,000 on Sept. 10th to Mohammed Atta at the instruction of Mohmoud Ahmad, the head of the ISI. This again was ignored by the 9/11 investigation.

9. Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration created plans in the late 1900s as members of the "Project for a New American Century", stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change". In their documentation, they openly state that the public and Congress would not accept their agenda and that the transition would be slow one "absent a catalyzing and catastrophic event like a new Pearl Harbour!"

10. In order to "reopen Wall street" the Bush administration censored crucial EPA and NTC Health Department warnings that the air after 9/11 was highly poisonous. Out of the 20,000 workers tested, 70% reported to have respiratory problems. While the dogs that worked at ground zero continue to die from mysterious cancers that are said to be unrelated.

11. "The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) owns everyone of any significance in the major media." – William Colbey, former director of the CIA.

(Source: truthaction.org/)

Meanwhile, here are some useful links:

www.911independentcommission.org/

www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

I fully agree with Kimathi's piece here on Jukwaa, under the thread "BARACK OBAMA; WHO IS HE AND WHAT IS HE TO YOU" - (http://jukwaa.proboards58.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2800)

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Then brother Kimathi wrote:

Wanyee, I do agree with you that 9/11 was indeed an ''inside job''!! But if the masses of our people continue to allow the corporate- media to lull them with 'tailor made misinformation called 'news'' then I am afraid that the rulers that be will continue to exploit us. It is a simple 'Hegelian Dialectic/Problem-Reaction-Solution' ploy that has been used by various Governments world-wide! Unfortunately due to the insidious mind programming that is perpetrated by these Bilderberger Group- White Supremacist Media Conglomerates, most people are still operating within the bubble of 'Hope/Change' etc.

Just to add on the links that Brother Wanyee have put forward, here are some other 9/11 links;

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3194
www.amazon.com/9-11-Synthetic-Terror-First/dp/0930852311
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2699841318334319800


And as for you Brother Einstein, Brother Paul Ifayomi Grant the author of two of the articles I have uploaded onto this site on the Obama-Mania psychosis is one of our best Pan-Afrikan/Afrikan Nationalist activist. His website is;

www.houseofknowledge.org.uk/extractsfrombooks.html

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You never responded, and you continue to avoid answering the question.

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Now, I have already told you (above) that Wanjiku does not have to provide original comments (or provide an in-depth analysis!) to present a valid argument. Waving a piece of incriminating evidence will suffice.

I am very sure that that all those you have named, including Job, Adongo, Man K, PM, Genius, Enigma, Mzee, Johns, Abdulmote, Jarateng', Phil, Akello, Sadik, Okhunyanye, Kathure, Kamale and Dubois, have been reading my posts on this issue, and they are obviously very welcome to respond.

As for you, we just have some unfinished business, as our discourse above demonstrates. It is a simple yes or no, but I think for you (and many others), it may not be so simple…

I repeat: It is my belief that the reason why there has been no forthcoming answer (especially from those that I have directly addressed it to, including Einstein, mank and others), is because there is ONLY ONE answer. And concurring has great implications, particularly for those who have emotionally invested into this sham.

wanyee