Concerning 2 Jukwaa announcements

[man]

Mr. Oloo,
Reference is made to the 2 Jukwaa announcements you just made. I realize I could not reply to your post due to your moderator status hence this new post. I'm specifically referencing announcement number 1:

"1. I am pleased to announce that Adongo Ogony will be a Moderator of Jukwaa with immediate effect."

With Adongo's new status as Moderator, does it mean that he will have to take a break from the gazillion posts and replies that we read from him on a daily basis? Given his new status as moderator, I think it will be a conflict of interest on his part if he maintains his regular activity on the board. On the same note, if the takes a back seat from his regular activity on the board and fully assume the new responsibility as moderator I think the quality of discussions on this board will be greatly eroded with the absense of his posts and contributions. (Just my opinion).

I hope these are issues that you both discussed before this announcement was made. This is just my opinion and you can yank out this post if you so wish.

Man.

[commes]

May 27, 2011 11:14:49 GMT 3 man said:

Mr. Oloo,
Reference is made to the 2 Jukwaa announcements you just made. I realize I could not reply to your post due to your moderator status hence this new post. I'm specifically referencing announcement number 1:

"1. I am pleased to announce that Adongo Ogony will be a Moderator of Jukwaa with immediate effect."

With Adongo's new status as Moderator, does it mean that he will have to take a break from the gazillion posts and replies that we read from him on a daily basis? Given his new status as moderator, I think it will be a conflict of interest on his part if he maintains his regular activity on the board. On the same note, if the takes a back seat from his regular activity on the board and fully assume the new responsibility as moderator I think the quality of discussions on this board will be greatly eroded with the absense of his posts and contributions. (Just my opinion).

I hope these are issues that you both discussed before this announcement was made. This is just my opinion and you can yank out this post if you so wish.

Man.

OO and AO

Let me add my voice to man, and start by congratulating Adongo Ogony as a new moderator for Jukwaa. As much as Jukwaa is self-moderating, I am sure that AO will do a wonderful job in this role.

This brings me back to an issue that need resolving. There was a time (around Feb - March 2011) when Jukwaa was invaded by an army of turd flinging toilet mouths. It prompted OO to effect a moratorium on new membership.

With an additional pair of hands will the status on new membership be reviewed?

[Onyango Oloo]

Man:

Thanks a lot for your concerns which are valid.

Simple answers really, to your rather complex questions:

1. Onyango Oloo is the Administrator of Jukwaa and he has over the years been very prolific not just here in Jukwaa but elsewhere as well. I am the one who made the decision to SLOW DOWN a little. It had nothing to do with my sense of objectivity or moderator role. I think Adongo should CONTRIBUTE MORE, rather than less. I know that he IS NOT ABOUT TO START DELETING, MODIFYING OR DISTORTING threads he does not agree with. I have known the man for close to thirty years and he is very comfortable in his own skin.

2. There is NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST in participating in a public online forum while moderating the discussions. Moderation is NOT ABOUT CENSORSHIP.


3. This one to Commes. NO, there will be no change on the issue of new membership. We are still keeping the door firmly shut on new members. You may have noticed a slight dose of sanity on this forum lately.

Onyango Oloo

[adongo23456]

Folks

Let me save some people a lot of headache. Oloo talked to me on Saturday about some important things and then he brings up this moderator business. I told him it is a waste of time since I am not going to bother with it. I told him he is doing a very good job and there is no need for any other moderator. At any rate there may be need for a female moderator to handle sexist stuff, but Oloo does that very well too.

Anyhow I am a writer and a thinker. That is the only thing I know how to do. The rest I do to make a living and I have no choice. That is why I try to make my work interesting. Otherwise the only thing that interests me is writing and hanging around with my sports crowds and the young guns who take the game of soccer very seriously. I wouldn't run a lemonade stand if my life depended on it. I can figure out how to set up a lemonade stand but someone else has to run it. That is what I do at home. My folks run the business, me and them do the planning.

The last time I was a prefect was in high school where I became a prefect by virtue of being the field hockey team captain. Every prefect had rotating weeks to run the school. In my weeks I used to ask the guys who thought they would be sick the next day to let me know so I don't bother them. Basically it was the most relaxed week in the school. We got things done but in my way of doing things.

So this admin business while I respect OO and what he is doing is just not my cup of tea. I doubt I will ever even bother with it unless something unthinkable happens. The only way I deal with people who are mean and abusive is to give them a dose of their own medicine. That will never stop.

And anybody even remotely imagining that adongo will stop writing and sit straight on his desk doing some admin stuff doesn't know me much. Writing is the oxygen I breathe. It is sweet oxygen and I have been doing it since I was 14 years old. It will take a firm grave to rest my hands and my mind.

But thanks OO. Just remember you will still have to do all the work.

Sincerely,

adongo ogony

[madgf]

Congrats Adongo!

[destiny]

..Psys, a down town Nairobi sports bar owned by Jimi Kibaki...

Trivia: Jimi AKA mummy's boy doesn't own even one percent of Psys. That chain of pubs/clubs among others are owned by Arthur Mwai whose uncle happens to be the Muthee who was sworn in at night amid chaos in 2007.

[mzalendo]

May 27, 2011 15:32:49 GMT 3 destiny said:

..Psys, a down town Nairobi sports bar owned by Jimi Kibaki...

Trivia: Jimi AKA mummy's boy doesn't own even one percent of Psys. That chain of pubs/clubs among others are owned by Arthur Mwai whose uncle happens to be the Muthee who was sworn in at night amid chaos in 2007.

;D ;D ;D
Destiny i really like the way you describe Arthur's uncle- noctonal good mafia lord.

[phil]

May 27, 2011 12:21:36 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

Man:

Thanks a lot for your concerns which are valid.

Simple answers really, to your rather complex questions:

1. Onyango Oloo is the Administrator of Jukwaa and he has over the years been very prolific not just here in Jukwaa but elsewhere as well. I am the one who made the decision to SLOW DOWN a little. It had nothing to do with my sense of objectivity or moderator role. I think Adongo should CONTRIBUTE MORE, rather than less. I know that he IS NOT ABOUT TO START DELETING, MODIFYING OR DISTORTING threads he does not agree with. I have known the man for close to thirty years and he is very comfortable in his own skin.

2. There is NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST in participating in a public online forum while moderating the discussions. Moderation is NOT ABOUT CENSORSHIP.


3. This one to Commes. NO, there will be no change on the issue of new membership. We are still keeping the door firmly shut on new members. You may have noticed a slight dose of sanity on this forum lately.

Onyango Oloo

Oloo

It is not an easy thing to predict the future unless of course you have some supernatural powers. You cannot be too sure of the future actions of the new moderator, can you really?

I had a different view in light of the new developments. In my view, given that Adongo's political leanings are well known, it would be seen to be fair to appoint another long serving individual member as moderator and whose political leanings are known to be opposite to those held by Adongo.

I am by no means questioning the criteria you used to decide to nominate Adongo, I am only talking for the silent minority who may feel a little oppressed since they have views that are different from those held by the new moderator.

In other words, my sentiments here are made not with any malicious intent but only in the interest of democracy and fair play. Take cognizance of the fact that even the new constitution recognizes the role of the Official Opposition, we need to strike a balance here at Jukwaa with two moderators with some semblance to the Leader of Government Business and the Leader of Opposition.

Another reason for my appeal in based on the fact that Adongo's timezone is significantly many hours behind Kenya and with electoral politics peaking by the day, the board will wish for a moderator to be available online at least every other hour or so.

By the way Adongo, congratulations, it has been a long time coming, huh? .....twende kazi sasa.

[Onyango Oloo]

Why are we making a simple administrative matter an issue for prolonged discussion?

Jukwaa is a POLITICAL project which was well thought through before it was executed. Adongo and Kathure are among the pioneers, although the idea was my brainchild.

Unlike other forums, a moderator on Jukwaa is not that looming menacing, omnipotent figure.

And Phil, talking of political leanings, I probably wear my politics and ideological leanings on my sleeve MORE THAN ADONGO. Has that stopped the mushrooming of diverse political views on Jukwaa?

There are times when I am away from this board for a prolonged period and certain threads that I have put up as announcements go stale. I need a helping hand for simple things like that.

We are not going to carry out a referendum or hold a by election over whether or not Adongo is qualified to be moderator.

And on the little matter over the ownership of Psys, I do not really care whether it is Jimi Kibaki or Fidel Odinga who owns the place. It is a nice little joint where the waiters are polite and the drinks really cool.

Please suggest the name of a female moderator and I will do the needful.

I really want to move on from this.

Have a nice day folks.


Onyango Oloo
Administrator, Jukwaa

[politicalmaniac]

AO

Kazi iendelee (spelling?)

I see absolutely NO need to get a "contrarian" moderator of an opposite political philosophy to AO. Prety soon Jukwaa will devolve into the rcbowen-ian' muck of eternal gridlock over non issues.

This board is not a newspaper whose op-ed teams are obsessed with balancing of the 'on one hand its this and that', but 'on the other hand its that and that' P.O.V

Its self evident here that issues stand on their own. The rants and irrational attacks against say the Rt Hon Prime Minister, usually sink on their own, weighed and anchored down by the gravitational pull against such inane discourse.

[phil]

Oloo

You need to have some tolerance to in-house politics, after all this a POLITICAL forum and as such members must at times indulge in a little politics.

I have not called for a referendum. I thought mine was a suggestion to improve on what you already undertook.

How about nominating kamale the other moderator. That's just me!

[Onyango Oloo]

What happened to Mrembo's post?

It was here a minute ago!

Onyango Oloo

[phil]

May 27, 2011 18:27:17 GMT 3 politicalmaniac said:

AO

Kazi iendelee (spelling?)

I see absolutely NO need to get a "contrarian" moderator of an opposite political philosophy to AO. Prety soon Jukwaa will devolve into the rcbowen-ian' muck of eternal gridlock over non issues.

This board is not a newspaper whose op-ed teams are obsessed with balancing of the 'on one hand its this and that', but 'on the other hand its that and that' P.O.V

Its self evident here that issues stand on their own. The rants and irrational attacks against say the Rt Hon Prime Minister, usually sink on their own, weighed and anchored down by the gravitational pull against such inane discourse.

p'maniac and others

See what I mean?

You too, I guess your political leanings are well known, so your opinion in this matter is bound to go one direction and one direction only.

Not much help, isnt it?

[kamalet]

May 27, 2011 18:31:19 GMT 3 phil said:

Oloo

You need to have some tolerance to in-house politics, after all this a POLITICAL forum and as such members must at times indulge in a little politics.

I have not called for a referendum. I thought mine was a suggestion to improve on what you already undertook.

How about nominating kamale the other moderator. That's just me!

Phil

Thanks for thinking about me, but seriously no thanks.

[einstein]

May 27, 2011 18:25:16 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

Please suggest the name of a female moderator and I will do the needful.
Onyango Oloo
Administrator, Jukwaa

First, congratulation to Adongo in his new role. He deserves it as his performance here on the platform speaks for itself.

Second, Kathure is my favourite female moderator to work alongside Adongo.

Third, if political leanings must be balanced, then Kamale beats them all. But he will need to stop being trivial on the board when his emotions get the better of him like it happened recently.

[tnk]

agree adongo deserves to be a moderator, he is very balanced and has an amazing tolerance for almost everyone and everything.

my congratulations is not so much to adongo but (also) to OO who has jealously guarded this function (admin/moderator) and is now able to delegate this function to someone else. am not sure whether this is something that was easy to do or he agonised over it (well maybe not)

OO has managed this forum single handed for over 5 years through even some very turbulent periods.

the comments and posts here are fairly balanced and only the occasional few (uncouth) newbies have had to be really moderated and in fact kicked out. by and large the current membership is mature and self moderating, OO only required an extra set of hands for those periods where he is engaged elsewhere and its not really about policing this forum, but about keeping an eye out for lapses in the housekeeping admin issues that he highlights above in his response to phil

with that in mind there is no need to try to portray this function as yet another political or gender or social battlefront pitting one side of the divide against another and hence we have to call in gender, political affiliation etc.

in summary OO simply needs someone to fill the gaps in keeping the forum current when he's away and not necessarily police the site. i think adongo fits that bill well and there really is no need to get another set of hands for that - too many cooks (will) spoil the broth

in any case, the two other types of moderation have served this board well (1) intellectual moderation - where contributors have totally shredded myths, falsehoods, propaganda and dis/mis information
(2) a quiet word behind the scenes to the admin where someone feels another contributor may have gone overboard, OO has been gracious enough to process the request and act if he thinks its justified or otherwise advised the complainant that the said piece is not offensive or breaks jukwaa standing rules

am ok with OO as admin and adongo stepping in where necessary unless we foresee a situation where both are away for a long period there is no need for another set of hands

and whats it with us nowadays, even drinking a glass of water we have to evaluate whether its politically correct, gender sensitive, ethnically balanced and what not, i.e before we drink that glass, we must get someone from PNU (or ODM or ODM rebel) to also drink from another glass for balanced representation. lets get real folks

[Mobimba]

Congrats to Adongo. Here she takes on a job that doesn't pay… now that type of selflessness is to be respected.

Should she in future opt to resign, I'd humbly request OO, in the spirit of the new constitution, to advertise the open position to the Jukwaa public. Jukwaa is important enough to deserve proper vetting and due diligence for such auspicious positions. For all we know, Adongo could transform into a demigoddess… following in the footsteps of well known former reformists. Trusting OO by default is not the way of the future. Unilaterally and secretly imposing Adongo to lord over us is the way of the past. It's the Kibaki way.

Next time, we'll demand an impartial and balanced committee of members with high kingly repute and integrity to nominate a bunch of folks for thorough vetting... to establish their capacity and capabilities to be fair to all Jukwaa members in equal measure… a process through which, the successful candidate becomes moderator. Again, in the spirit of the new dispensation.

I mean seriously, Adongo herself has confessed that she first rubbished the offer; that she has no time. She was basically boxed into submission. How will she therefore be effective in her duties?

Outside of that, I have no strong opinion on the matter.

[einstein]

May 27, 2011 22:20:28 GMT 3 Mobimba said:

Congrats to Adongo. Here she takes on a job that doesn't pay… now that type of selflessness is to be respected.

Should she in future opt to resign, I'd humbly request OO, in the spirit of the new constitution, to advertise the open position to the Jukwaa public. Jukwaa is important enough to deserve proper vetting and due diligence for such auspicious positions. For all we know, Adongo could transform into a demigoddess… following in the footsteps of well known former reformists. Trusting OO by default is not the way of the future. Unilaterally and secretly imposing Adongo to lord over us is the way of the past. It's the Kibaki way.

Next time, we'll demand an impartial and balanced committee of members with high kingly repute and integrity to nominate a bunch of folks for thorough vetting... to establish their capacity and capabilities to be fair to all Jukwaa members in equal measure… a process through which, the successful candidate becomes moderator. Again, in the spirit of the new dispensation.

I mean seriously, Adongo herself has confessed that she first rubbished the offer; that she has no time. She was basically boxed into submission. How will she therefore be effective in her duties?

Outside of that, I have no strong opinion on the matter.

Lincoln,

Just a point of correction. Adongo happens to be male.

[phil]

Yeah, Adongo is male, we all know that except Lincoln! Well, its a Friday evening. You don't need glasses to read this text that appears in every other thread he comments on.

adongo23456
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Looks like Oloo ducked!? Ata patikana tu. Ata Jakom sisi huchapa msumari.

[politicalmaniac]

May 27, 2011 18:34:54 GMT 3 phil said:

See what I mean?

You too, I guess your political leanings are well known, so your opinion in this matter is bound to go one direction and one direction only.

Not much help, isnt it?

I dont think that in your own mind, you are clear on the duties and responsibility this so called 'moderator' you are calling for.

The fellow you want as a moderator already is free to provide his opinions. What more do you want him to do?

If its house keeping duties like pinning threads to the board, or clearing stale threads or closing some threads deemed divisive that AO can do.

If its reminding folks to stay disciplined, within the confines of the rules and regs of the board thats a universal task belonging to all Jukwaaists including the new "moderator" and the final arbiter is OO.

Lets avoid congesting the board with many moving parts and continue with the free wheeling that makes it the premier Political blog in Kenya.

[mank]

May 27, 2011 22:40:18 GMT 3 einstein said:

May 27, 2011 22:20:28 GMT 3 Mobimba said:

Congrats to Adongo. Here she takes on a job that doesn't pay… now that type of selflessness is to be respected.

Should she in future opt to resign, I'd humbly request OO, in the spirit of the new constitution, to advertise the open position to the Jukwaa public. Jukwaa is important enough to deserve proper vetting and due diligence for such auspicious positions. For all we know, Adongo could transform into a demigoddess… following in the footsteps of well known former reformists. Trusting OO by default is not the way of the future. Unilaterally and secretly imposing Adongo to lord over us is the way of the past. It's the Kibaki way.

Next time, we'll demand an impartial and balanced committee of members with high kingly repute and integrity to nominate a bunch of folks for thorough vetting... to establish their capacity and capabilities to be fair to all Jukwaa members in equal measure… a process through which, the successful candidate becomes moderator. Again, in the spirit of the new dispensation.

I mean seriously, Adongo herself has confessed that she first rubbished the offer; that she has no time. She was basically boxed into submission. How will she therefore be effective in her duties?

Outside of that, I have no strong opinion on the matter.

Lincoln,

Just a point of correction. Adongo happens to be male.

Coincidence?

[phil]

May 27, 2011 23:13:16 GMT 3 mank said:

May 27, 2011 22:40:18 GMT 3 einstein said:

Lincoln,

Just a point of correction. Adongo happens to be male.

Coincidence?

;D ;D

Wachazako Man-K. Please do not derail this thread. Lets wait for Oloo.

[einstein]

May 27, 2011 23:13:16 GMT 3 mank said:

May 27, 2011 22:40:18 GMT 3 einstein said:

Lincoln,

Just a point of correction. Adongo happens to be male.

Coincidence?

ManK,

I don't get your point?

[politicalmaniac]

May 28, 2011 15:43:31 GMT 3 @njamba said:

You should have your head examined or your account deleted all together

thanks ndugu

small minds engage in discussing personalities., instead of ideas.

There is a thread on the moderator issue already yet this 'begay' wants to take liberty and indulge in snarky posts that are a waste of time

[mrembo]

May 27, 2011 18:32:36 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

What happened to Mrembo's post?

It was here a minute ago!

Onyango Oloo

Pole Mr Oloo.I pulled down the post when i read your warning that the correspondence was closed.

N'way congrats to Adongo.

Jaber in Nairobi Siti