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Post by job on Oct 26, 2011 23:49:00 GMT 3
Einstein,
Sunday Nation, Daily Nation, NTV is one and the same family caught in repeated lies, distortions, and misrepresentations about this story. Even after the WB has released a press statement contradicting their lies, they are still hoping to disseminate their mischievous narrative to more unaware folks.
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 27, 2011 16:02:27 GMT 3
Now the truth keeps coming out. These are Raila's supporters so they are there to support their man but they are telling us the truth. Shame on liars of the DN and their political buddies who have never liked the KKV initiative at all. Ruto was already screaming how terrible the whole KKV initiative is and how it should be disbanded altogether. May be now he can go tell the youth why an initiative in which 98% of the projects are running smoothly according to WB report itself should be disbanded. What does Ruto have for the youth? Where is his record with the youth other than abuse of the same for political purposes? Those the questions the youth should ask Ruto and I am glad the FORA folks did just that. They thought they had the smoking gun. May be they do but it is pointed the wrong way. Here are Raila's FORA folks: www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Public+misled+over+youth+funds++says+lobby/-/1064/1262612/-/10jjnsb/-/index.html
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Post by phil on Oct 27, 2011 16:47:09 GMT 3
Einstein, Sunday Nation, Daily Nation, NTV is one and the same family caught in repeated lies, distortions, and misrepresentations about this story. Even after the WB has released a press statement contradicting their lies, they are still hoping to disseminate their mischievous narrative to more unaware folks. What is stopping the OPM from seeking court intervention in this matter? It seems to me the OPM is setting up itself and has miserably lost the propaganda war. But on a serious matter like this, I was hopping the OPM would come out strongly and refute these allegations, and if need be seek legal redress if only to send a stern warning to Kenya's increasingly wayward media houses.
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Post by mangai on Oct 27, 2011 16:51:59 GMT 3
Lest you forget. The Kazi kwa Vijana initiative had generated 'controversy' even from the word go. For instance Uhuru at one time refused to release money for the initiative until Kibaki personally launched the programme. They didnt want Raila to launch it alone as it would have given him political mileage!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 27, 2011 18:34:59 GMT 3
Einstein, Sunday Nation, Daily Nation, NTV is one and the same family caught in repeated lies, distortions, and misrepresentations about this story. Even after the WB has released a press statement contradicting their lies, they are still hoping to disseminate their mischievous narrative to more unaware folks. What is stopping the OPM from seeking court intervention in this matter? It seems to me the OPM is setting up itself and has miserably lost the propaganda war. But on a serious matter like this, I was hopping the OPM would come out strongly and refute these allegations, and if need be seek legal redress if only to send a stern warning to Kenya's increasingly wayward media houses. My friend, the Prime Minister himself is on the run, he does not even have enough courage to face bunge and explain what he knows about the lost money. Which court do you want them to go to when they cannot in the first place tell where the money is? That's just loughable. Siku za mwizi ni 40 ndugu yangu.
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 27, 2011 18:56:01 GMT 3
Einstein, Sunday Nation, Daily Nation, NTV is one and the same family caught in repeated lies, distortions, and misrepresentations about this story. Even after the WB has released a press statement contradicting their lies, they are still hoping to disseminate their mischievous narrative to more unaware folks. What is stopping the OPM from seeking court intervention in this matter? It seems to me the OPM is setting up itself and has miserably lost the propaganda war. But on a serious matter like this, I was hopping the OPM would come out strongly and refute these allegations, and if need be seek legal redress if only to send a stern warning to Kenya's increasingly wayward media houses. phil,The problem of taking newspapers to court is that you just keep their lies in the limelight and for a PM you may also look like you are opposed to freedom of the press. However in this case the Sunday Nation crossed the line. Assuming they had access to some WB report as they claimed they must have just decided to invent everything. In fact the SN story can be seen as an incitement against the OPM based on concocted lies. Everybody knows that the DN is now officially running for the presidency as a proxy and their number one enemy is Raila Odinga. The PM therefore has to deal with the DN as a political enemy and legalities don't work well with political enemies. You fight them politically. As we can see those who came screaming even here that the WB project has been cancelled and Kshs 972 stolen have now melted like Al Shabaab fighters in the desert heat. Nowhere to be seen. Waiting for another chance at cowardly sneak attacks. Their credibility is down to zero after swallowing some rotten stuff which is now causing major indigestion. The shameless liars may still pretend they don't know the DN story was a hoax. That is their problem. So far the SN story has been repeated by all sundry who thought finally they got Raila by the tail and that is where the political fight begins. The FORA press conference was a start but the PM has to take this matter by himself and do a few things. 1. Read the riot act to his staff to give him a full accounting on the Kshs 33 million which WB claims may have been spent on projects not within the mandate of the KKV and WB agreement. There should no beating about the bush. Where was the money spent? Was it spent on legitimate business even if they are not within the KKV mandate? Was any money misappropriated? If so by who and what are the consequences? Deal with that straight and tell Kenyans what is going on. 2. Take the Daily Nation to task politically by calling a press conference yourself and expose directly the falsehoods peddled by the Daily and how harmful they are to the KKV initiatives which seems to be thriving very well against so many odds. Explain the fact that the WB themselves had to issue a rebuttal to the DN lies. Why is the DN inventing these lies? That is something the public needs to ask. 3. Address the political vultures who jumped on the DN lies and started calling for the disbanding of the KKV initiatives like Ruto and his mob were doing. Ruto dismissed the whole KKV initiatives as a hoax and useless and declared he has opposed it right from the beginning. Ask Ruto to explain to Kenyan youth why he is against initiatives that are helping them. Ask Ruto to explain why he and his mob want to use and abuse the youth to fight their political battles. Ask Ruto and his mob what they have ever done for the Kenyan youth other than sending them to kill Kenyans. Ask Ruto what plans he has for the youth and what his record is in working with the youth of Kenya. After all this is the mob that claims they are part of the Kenya youth. In short I think Raila must turn this lemon into lemonade by challenging those opposed to the KKV based on lies what their real agenda is. Are they really interested in investments on our youth. Why must the interests of the Kenya youth be sacrificed on the alter of cheap politics. In short the PM must see this whole botched ambush as a political war on him from the DN and the politicians they support and take the battle to them and luckily for the PM the DN lies were just way too outrageous and it is backfiring as we speak. All the big talk about cencure motion and step aside has fizzled into nothingness as the fiction unfolds as nonsense.
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Post by morimax on Oct 27, 2011 19:24:02 GMT 3
Job, Adongo,Would there be any legal consequences if a campaign against NMG was to be started? I personally seriously get irritated by there lies, and unfair media coverage. I think there are lots of things that can be done to pull them back to track. Yeah I wached the PAC chairman address the press conference, and I was worried if he really qualifies to be in the chair. He had already made a judgement even before listening to the suspect, not even before recieving the audit reports. I wonder if RAO or whoever will be willing to attend that committee if at all summoned. My friend, the Prime Minister himself is on the run, he does not even have enough courage to face bunge and explain what he knows about the lost money.
Which court do you want them to go to when they cannot in the first place tell where the money is?
That's just loughable. Siku za mwizi ni 40 ndugu yangu. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6000&page=4#ixzz1c027zfl2Mwalimu,RAO has tremendiously matured politically over the years. He doen't have to respond to every filthy fly that flops on his shoulder or flies across his face. sometimes you just let the fly have fun, it will go away , or let somebody who sees it flap it away for you. That is not corwardice, or is it? 40 Days? well may be not for RAO, you will not be suprised if the days land on some elses doorsteps. lets wait and see.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 27, 2011 20:23:43 GMT 3
Jeff,The story Kamale first posted from the DN is a complete fraud and all the tears and cries for action based on such false stuff now look phony and very hollow if not just plain political rubbish. You cannot go to a funeral before folk is dead, you may end up drowning in your own tears and being buried yourself. As long as politics drive the romours of some war against corruption somewhere in Kenya the thieves are very safe. adongo23456 I just checked in to make the same points you have just made so let me just echo them loudly. I am trying to see if I can spot those fond of shooting and then asking questions later but I suppose they are hiding their faces. DN thought they were going to do a number on the PM; they have instead done a number on themselves. We all know about media bias in reporting, and as I have said before, it's not always for political reasons, rather at times it's just out of desperation to sale papers but there is always a line they don't cross and outright distort and lie as DN did here. Shame on them. Ditto for those shooting and then asking questions later.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 27, 2011 21:30:10 GMT 3
Jeff,The story Kamale first posted from the DN is a complete fraud and all the tears and cries for action based on such false stuff now look phony and very hollow if not just plain political rubbish. You cannot go to a funeral before folk is dead, you may end up drowning in your own tears and being buried yourself. As long as politics drive the romours of some war against corruption somewhere in Kenya the thieves are very safe. adongo23456 I just checked in to make the same points you have just made so let me just echo them loudly. I am trying to see if I can spot those fond of shooting and then asking questions later but I suppose they are hiding their faces. DN thought they were going to do a number on the PM; they have instead done a number on themselves. We all know about media bias in reporting, and as I have said before, it's not always for political reasons, rather at times it's just out of desperation to sale papers but there is always a line they don't cross and outright distort and lie as DN did here. Shame on them. Ditto for those shooting and then asking questions later. I see you highlight my name as pointing to me shooting off my mouth. First I clearly said that the amount misappropriated from the PMs office was 37 million (now seems to be 33 million). Do not blame the messenger!!!! Is that not what Adongo is asking that the PM read the riot act to his staff on the missin money? Shooting the messenger seems to be the easier thing for Railamaniacs something someone once described as political mob justice! If the money was improperly spent as alleged by the WB, who should be stepping aside to allow for investigations? One Raila Odinga. But let us be honest with ourselves, there is not even the slimmest chance that he would resign even if the money had been paid to his son as the facilitator of the seminars now alleged. The buck would still be passed!!
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 27, 2011 23:02:57 GMT 3
adongo23456 I just checked in to make the same points you have just made so let me just echo them loudly. I am trying to see if I can spot those fond of shooting and then asking questions later but I suppose they are hiding their faces. DN thought they were going to do a number on the PM; they have instead done a number on themselves. We all know about media bias in reporting, and as I have said before, it's not always for political reasons, rather at times it's just out of desperation to sale papers but there is always a line they don't cross and outright distort and lie as DN did here. Shame on them. Ditto for those shooting and then asking questions later. I see you highlight my name as pointing to me shooting off my mouth. First I clearly said that the amount misappropriated from the PMs office was 37 million (now seems to be 33 million). Do not blame the messenger!!!! Is that not what Adongo is asking that the PM read the riot act to his staff on the missin money? Shooting the messenger seems to be the easier thing for Railamaniacs something someone once described as political mob justice! If the money was improperly spent as alleged by the WB, who should be stepping aside to allow for investigations? One Raila Odinga. But let us be honest with ourselves, there is not even the slimmest chance that he would resign even if the money had been paid to his son as the facilitator of the seminars now alleged. The buck would still be passed!! Kamale,We are not shootign the messenger, we are shooting the lies. Your own concern was that the KKV initiative had been cancelled and that would have a terrible impact on the youth who were benefiting from it. I don't blame you because you bought into the lies of the Daily Nation. Here are the hedious lies of the DN. "A multi-billion shilling World Bank project intended to boost the Kazi Kwa Vijana (jobs for youth) programme has been cancelled after an audit review revealed officials at the Office of the Prime Minister had misappropriated millions of shillings.
The World Bank now wants a refund of the money spent so far and taxpayers will be expected to foot the bill once the full extent of the losses is revealed. (READ: World Bank’s Sh12bn boost for jobs)
The bank had offered a grant of Sh4.3 billion (US$43 million) to support the Kazi Kwa Vijana scheme which aims to reduce the vulnerability of unemployed youth by offering a line of income for participation in infrastructure projects."Now spreading this obvious lies by the DN is pathetic. To dismiss this kind of nonsense is not to shoot the messenger but to shoot the liars. The DN knew they were making up stories since they claim the had the WB report. It is therefore safe to conclude that the motive of the DN and unfortunately those who jumped on the story was political assassination of the PM. Now to malign a program 98% of which seem to be running very smoothly, for political purposes is to stoop to low even if Raila must be stopped by all means. Let's stop him without harmful propaganda that can ruin good initiatives in the country. The notable thing here is that all the Railaphobics who jumped on to the story as the gospel truth to throw all sorts of filth at the man on this thread do not have the guts to come back and accept they were mislead. They are hiding waiting for another set of lies to jump on. Shame on them too. My view all along is that the PM's office cannot be let off the hook with regard to the Kshs 33 million that is being said to have been spent on projects that may not fall under the mandate of the WB money. We need to know what those projects are and we need to know if there was any wrong doing. But all that gets lost in the political noise of shameless lies. Fighting corruption with lies is not a viable undertaking. And then we have some of the G7 gangsters calling for the KKV to be disbanded. Who do they think that would hurt? Raila or the youth? Well it is coming full circle. The lies are unravelling and those who depended on them to spew political nonsense are the ultimate fools now.
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Post by job on Oct 28, 2011 4:36:14 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Oct 28, 2011 10:01:48 GMT 3
Even the mouthy PAC Chairman Bonny Khalwale is very quiet this time around. This scam has been brewing for the last few months. Only the independent NLM has publicized it. The KKV Scam that never was, bure kabisa.
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Post by job on Oct 28, 2011 17:11:41 GMT 3
Even the mouthy PAC Chairman Bonny Khalwale is very quiet this time around. This scam has been brewing for the last few months. Only the independent NLM has publicized it. The KKV Scam that never was, bure kabisa. These robbers at the Ministry of Energy take Kenyans for some big fools...they form a company in 2008, register it in Europe, "win" the Kenya government's trust despite not doing any prior business, get a loan from a third party and "win" a multi-million dollar contract from the Kenya government - all in a period of one year. I entirely agree with Keynan, despite only footnote mention by media (ala DN), it is time to expose the faces behind the three companies, their local shareholders, and their off shore owners. Re al mega corruption (not red herrings) should be exposed and dealt with.
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Post by enigma on Oct 28, 2011 18:19:25 GMT 3
Is it this one www.geg.no or this one www.green-energy-group.com ? Here is a list of BoD for the former: Chairman Thorleif EngerDr. Thorleif Enger was until 2008 the CEO of Yara International ASA, the world’s largest producer of fertilisers. Prior to this, he has more than 30 years of experience from the oil industry i.a as Executive Vice President for Oil and Energy for Norsk Hydro from 1996 to 1999, President of Hydros Exploration and Production Division from 1987 to 1996 and project responsible for the Oseberg oil field 1982 to 1986. From 1970 to 1973 he was employed by Shell Development Company in Houson, Texas. He is the chairman of Spring Energy and Agrinos and board member of HitecVision, FMC Technologies and Marine Harvest, and former chairman of Telenor. Dr. Enger has a PhD in Structural Engineering from the University of Colorado. Board member Torkjell Nilsen Torkjell is educated at BI (Norwegian School of Management). He has an extensive career in the financial industry in Norway, and was from 1992 one of the founding partners in a brokerage company that introduced Structured financial products in the Norwegian marketplace towards institutional investors. This company was taken over by Storebrand ASA/Finansbanken ASA, Norway`s largest life insurances and Asset manager in 1998, and held a position there as leader of the Markets operation for four years before he reestablished a privately owned company within the NorgesInvestor group that has its main activities within Private Equity investments and Discretionary Asset Management. He currently acts as CEO in NorgesInvestor Securities AS, a registered brokerage company within NorgesInvestor Board member Gudmundur Thor Thormodsson G Thor Thormodsson is the Business development manager of Green Energy Group AS, and was one of the founders of the company and the inventor/designer of the KAPS patented technology. Mr. Thormodsson has extensive experience in working in the industrial sector in India and has background in plastics. He establish Sæplast hf in Iceland, a company producing insulated fishtubs. The company is now called Promens. The company later set up factories in over 20 countries selling mainly the 660/440 litre fishtubs, designed by Mr. Thormodsson with sales to over 70 countries. Mr. Thormodsson was a main contributor in establishing the joint venture with Hindustan Turbomachinery Ltd. and is one of its directors of the board. Board member James McNaught-Davis James has a decade and a half of investment experience in technology private equity. This includes five years as a general partner at Advent (2001 – 06) and five years at Warburg Pincus (1996 – 2001) where he became a partner and managing director. James joined WHEB as its Managing Partner in 2007. James also has many years of technology industry experience, primarily as a senior executive of Misys Plc where he was responsible for M&A and made several acquisitions in the US, and spent several years as an investment banker with Merrill Lynch and Schroders. James was educated at Cambridge University and graduated with an MBA from the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania. Board member Mark Preston
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Post by phil on Oct 28, 2011 22:03:37 GMT 3
Statement by G7 'leader' Eugene Wamalwa
Press Release - 28/10/11;
As Political temperatures continue to rise G7 leaders will continue to tighten the rope on PM Raila Odinga over missing millions over the Kazi Kwa Vijana programme cancelled by the world back on corruptionallegations. In this Endeavour I will LEAD a strong team of over 20 MPs to a Public rally in shabab grounds Nakuru on Sunday 30/10/11 to demand that the PM step aside and take political responsibility while investigations are conducted.
Last Wednesday House Speaker Marende Ordered the PM to attend parliament to answer my question on the same. I intend to demand next wednesday that the PM steps aside. Meanwhile thousands of affected youth will attend the Sunday Rally to call for action.
Signed: Tony Gacoka CHIEF OF STAFF
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Post by job on Oct 28, 2011 22:57:27 GMT 3
Statement by G7 'leader' Eugene Wamalwa Press Release - 28/10/11; As Political temperatures continue to rise G7 leaders will continue to tighten the rope on PM Raila Odinga over missing millions over the Kazi Kwa Vijana programme cancelled by the world back on corruptionallegations. In this Endeavour I will LEAD a strong team of over 20 MPs to a Public rally in shabab grounds Nakuru on Sunday 30/10/11 to demand that the PM step aside and take political responsibility while investigations are conducted. Last Wednesday House Speaker Marende Ordered the PM to attend parliament to answer my question on the same. I intend to demand next wednesday that the PM steps aside. Meanwhile thousands of affected youth will attend the Sunday Rally to call for action. Signed: Tony Gacoka CHIEF OF STAFF Laughable indeed! Eugene - a man named in a dossier for drug dealing on behalf of the Narc-activist - is hereby being used again to peddle cheap propaganda to the same youth he feeds illegal narcotics. Let him enjoy when he can.
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Post by merkeju on Oct 28, 2011 23:49:15 GMT 3
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Post by merkeju on Oct 29, 2011 0:10:05 GMT 3
G7 alliance, did Uhuru Kenyatta started frustrating the kazi kwa vijana long before the issues of lost funds.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 29, 2011 10:19:39 GMT 3
GUYS!!!
Does it really matter that only 33 million has been stolen or are we so quick to defend someone simply because he is on our political side?
When Job suggests that Eugene is now a someone with 'drug related' baggage and is being used - perhaps it is to tell Eugene to shut it and do not talk about this KKV thing or we shall blow the whistle on you.
There is even an attempt at dragging another story on Kengen procurement that there are Kenyans who own the Norwegian company involved in the procurement just to white wash this KKV scam.
The next time we have a scam from either of the political actors, I trust and hope it will be white washed just as many have tried in this thread. It is simple too embarrassing.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 29, 2011 11:09:23 GMT 3
So one side has political vultures hovering around undead folk whilst the other has benign watchmen who never sleep as they keep their beady eyes trained on Isaack Hassan et al dare they make a false step. You just gotta love the GCG with all it's in-built checks & balances... The OPM has a problem with Kshs 33 million which is a lot of money by itself. How was that money spent? Where was it spent? Was it spent for the benefit of the youth? Those are questions we have to ask but with a ton of lies jammed in for political expediency even those questions are not being asked because the big lies have fallen in their face rather badly when the WB itself found it necessary to issue a clarification after the DN cooks came with their falsehoods. . @adongo, Sound and sober argument like this is unchallengeable with anything based on fact or reason other than kupayuka tu.
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 29, 2011 16:24:31 GMT 3
GUYS!!! Does it really matter that only 33 million has been stolen or are we so quick to defend someone simply because he is on our political side? When Job suggests that Eugene is now a someone with 'drug related' baggage and is being used - perhaps it is to tell Eugene to shut it and do not talk about this KKV thing or we shall blow the whistle on you. There is even an attempt at dragging another story on Kengen procurement that there are Kenyans who own the Norwegian company involved in the procurement just to white wash this KKV scam. The next time we have a scam from either of the political actors, I trust and hope it will be white washed just as many have tried in this thread. It is simple too embarrassing. Kamalet, See if you can make some sense of the following I don't know what! I think this quagmire can best be understood in the style of Unoka, Okonkwo's father in Achebe's Things gone haywire. He was a debtor, a huge debtor with an XXX rating from Moody's Standard and Poor. If you came to demand some small debt of yours, he would laugh and tell you: If so and so whom I owe 200 cowries has not woken me up from sweet sleep to dai deni, how dare a man I owe a mere 20 shells wake me up? Tell me my friend, is your wife off to the moon that you brave this cold? That is, if Anglo-leasing, Ken-Gen, Goldenberg, Triton, Submarine and Airforce Jets purchase, have not been acted upon with their multi-billion deficits, what is a mere 33 million to be talked about at the PM's? Tell me, my friend, is it because the shilling is going cold and you think the whiteman is funding KKV with his hot dollars that you finger me? And, If UK and Muthaura, suspects in crimes against humanity in an ongoing hearing, need not resign from the cabinet, how on earth can parliament claim Wetangula is ethically disqualified from resuming his ministerial post? We may possess the cold bloodedness and nerve to fight Al Shabaab to the death, we do not possess the cold bloodedness to be impartial when dealing with the financial tresspasses of our political godfathers. When it is an ALL THIEVES HANGING DAY, call me! I wont complain the constitution allows no death sentence! the way am complaining now it does not sanction an illegal war in Somalia!
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