|
Post by Luol Deng on Nov 20, 2011 21:40:59 GMT 3
I have never been a Miguna fan. Was not one before he went to the PMs office, never became one when he became promoted and I'm certainly not one now. I however take threats against one's life seriously.
Miguna's press conference is interesting at different levels. When one's life is threatened, what is the logical response to the same? In my case I would report it to the CID first then proceed to address it with the media. It seems like the reverse is true for Miguna, ie, you should create a media circus then proceed to report to the CID. His statement to the media very briefly addressed the threats, the bulk of it was a guided missile at ODM in general and Raila in particular.
It is all well for OO to give us examples of how Raila's supporters have behaved in the past, but with a statement like this:
Miguna seems to be implying that the 'someone who wants to be the president' has more than a passive attachment to the threats to his life. In brief, Miguna is a disgrace.
|
|
|
Post by godmesa on Nov 20, 2011 22:54:53 GMT 3
Confessions first. I have never liked Miguna Miguna for very public reasons. I dont believe in betraying people with whom you say (as Miguna frequently does) you have 'struggled' with. Miguna treated Wafula Buke really badly in one of his pieces when Buke cautioned him against reckless outbursts. He said unsavoury things including the odd transport he gave Buke at a time of need.
But that is not new to him, using his 'friends' and their perceived nakedness to fight war is not new to this man who reeks of a brutus persona..
He has mentioned a lot of people in very uncomfortable light, inluding Salim Lone, sarah elderkin et al when he began his war with the PM. Now, in his recent outburst against Odinga, he has drawn Pike, the star editor, in very unfavourable light regarding why his senseless pieces cannot be published in the star.
But this is very Miguna. A man who dwells in a serpent coattails from time immemorial. He can be conceited and extremely vengeful when he feels that his bloated ego is not being noticed.
For some odd reason, people's behaviour folows them from a time when they are young and supposedly 'pure-faced. At Onjiko High School, where Miguna attended his O levels before he went to Njiris for his A levels, the story may start. And by the way, Onjiko produced one of the most charismatic teachers of all times, a man who all Onjiko old boys still hold in awe, his name is Oyaya Enos, a man they all called rateng for reasons known to anyone who ever met an Onjiko Old boy in any A level school in kenya(This is not the story just a side note).
Miguna was one man (as the legend goes and as is said) who, through his mundane outburst, is said to have publicly named anybody including his close friends if he felt that they sieved through any punishment for which miguna was held in court. It could be a strike, it could be a threat of a strike, it didn't matter. But in school, punishment could mean expulsion or even being abandoned by a relative who paid your fees. But this didn't matter to one Miguna. For Miguna, respect for people's vulnerability only had any mettle sway if miguna was safe and that meant if he was enjoying accolades.
Or else, you will be doomed because miguna would shout your name...'Why am I being called out and not so and so and so....' You can imagine how many lives can get destroyed in a school by such a lively outburts..
A self seeker from the yore, Miguna needs to deal with his past and let people be free from his outdated self seeking antics, and a sense of self importance, which he can spray about like a stink bomb. He needs to travel back to the Onjiko days to cast away his demons of shouting people's names in public in order to fight his wars. He needs to grow up one inch!
He needs to grow up for once!
|
|
|
Post by enigma on Nov 20, 2011 23:16:18 GMT 3
Two words: Sour grapes. This could be construed as yapping and jabbering in certain circles.
|
|
|
Post by mzee on Nov 20, 2011 23:31:29 GMT 3
I’m sure that Migunas friends must be very guarded when talking to him for he does not seem to be a person to trust with a secret. The man has no control over what he should say and when. He does not know whose name he should pronounce and when to do so.
As godmesa had correctly said, Miguna keeps embarrassing everyone he knows by drawing their names into his disillusion fight with the PM. Once upon a time Kamale said that Miguna revealed stuff in jukwaa that he had told him in private and which were supposed to remain so but I thought he was just joking. He even went on to say that he would not want to meet Miguna again.
In otherwords Migunas lack of judgment is his undoing. We will soon know the full truth why Raila fired the man. there is more than meets the eye.
|
|
|
Post by mank on Nov 21, 2011 0:05:15 GMT 3
Confessions first. I have never liked Miguna Miguna for very public reasons. I dont believe in betraying people with whom you say (as Miguna frequently does) you have 'struggled' with. Miguna treated Wafula Buke really badly in one of his pieces when Buke cautioned him against reckless outbursts. He said unsavoury things including the odd transport he gave Buke at a time of need.
But that is not new to him, using his 'friends' and their perceived nakedness to fight war is not new to this man who reeks of a brutus persona..
He has mentioned a lot of people in very uncomfortable light, inluding Salim Lone, sarah elderkin et al when he began his war with the PM. Now, in his recent outburst against Odinga, he has drawn Pike, the star editor, in very unfavourable light regarding why his senseless pieces cannot be published in the star.
But this is very Miguna. A man who dwells in a serpent coattails from time immemorial. He can be conceited and extremely vengeful when he feels that his bloated ego is not being noticed.
For some odd reason, people's behaviour folows them from a time when they are young and supposedly 'pure-faced. At Onjiko High School, where Miguna attended his O levels before he went to Njiris for his A levels, the story may start. And by the way, Onjiko produced one of the most charismatic teachers of all times, a man who all Onjiko old boys still hold in awe, his name is Oyaya Enos, a man they all called rateng for reasons known to anyone who ever met an Onjiko Old boy in any A level school in kenya(This is not the story just a side note).
Miguna was one man (as the legend goes and as is said) who, through his mundane outburst, is said to have publicly named anybody including his close friends if he felt that they sieved through any punishment for which miguna was held in court. It could be a strike, it could be a threat of a strike, it didn't matter. But in school, punishment could mean expulsion or even being abandoned by a relative who paid your fees. But this didn't matter to one Miguna. For Miguna, respect for people's vulnerability only had any mettle sway if miguna was safe and that meant if he was enjoying accolades.
Or else, you will be doomed because miguna would shout your name...'Why am I being called out and not so and so and so....' You can imagine how many lives can get destroyed in a school by such a lively outburts..
A self seeker from the yore, Miguna needs to deal with his past and let people be free from his outdated self seeking antics, and a sense of self importance, which he can spray about like a stink bomb. He needs to travel back to the Onjiko days to cast away his demons of shouting people's names in public in order to fight his wars. He needs to grow up one inch!
He needs to grow up for once! I did not know anything about Miguna Miguna until his name and rants became regular fodder for this board, but from what I have known since then, the above describes the man to the T. That's really the character that made bile rise in many at this board when the man put his pen to paper. But for some on this board, with the man being personal adviser to Raila, anything he said, whatever insult he level on anyone, deserved an accolade. And anyone who got agitated with the man's unbecoming literary habit was seen to be anti-Raila. I recall the kind of responses one would attract on suggesting that Raila was not being wise retaining Miguna Miguna as his adviser. The response would be something like "you just hate the man's guts", or "you Raila bashers!". Now that Raila woke up to sense, the very people who would process such responses are the ones who hate Miguna's guts even more. The accolades they had for the man have all been replaced by scorn. Miguna is the same Miguna as this high school reflection tells. So, those of us who have made an about-turn on Miguna since the man's sacking should realize that what is unfolding is about their character, even more than it is about Miguna. Nothing is being revealed about Miguna's character!
|
|
|
Post by einstein on Nov 21, 2011 0:07:07 GMT 3
Confessions first. I have never liked Miguna Miguna for very public reasons. I dont believe in betraying people with whom you say (as Miguna frequently does) you have 'struggled' with. Miguna treated Wafula Buke really badly in one of his pieces when Buke cautioned him against reckless outbursts. He said unsavoury things including the odd transport he gave Buke at a time of need. But that is not new to him, using his 'friends' and their perceived nakedness to fight war is not new to this man who reeks of a brutus persona.. He has mentioned a lot of people in very uncomfortable light, inluding Salim Lone, sarah elderkin et al when he began his war with the PM. Now, in his recent outburst against Odinga, he has drawn Pike, the star editor, in very unfavourable light regarding why his senseless pieces cannot be published in the star. But this is very Miguna. A man who dwells in a serpent coattails from time immemorial. He can be conceited and extremely vengeful when he feels that his bloated ego is not being noticed. For some odd reason, people's behaviour folows them from a time when they are young and supposedly 'pure-faced. At Onjiko High School, where Miguna attended his O levels before he went to Njiris for his A levels, the story may start. And by the way, Onjiko produced one of the most charismatic teachers of all times, a man who all Onjiko old boys still hold in awe, his name is Oyaya Enos, a man they all called rateng for reasons known to anyone who ever met an Onjiko Old boy in any A level school in kenya(This is not the story just a side note). Miguna was one man (as the legend goes and as is said) who, through his mundane outburst, is said to have publicly named anybody including his close friends if he felt that they sieved through any punishment for which miguna was held in court. It could be a strike, it could be a threat of a strike, it didn't matter. But in school, punishment could mean expulsion or even being abandoned by a relative who paid your fees. But this didn't matter to one Miguna. For Miguna, respect for people's vulnerability only had any mettle sway if miguna was safe and that meant if he was enjoying accolades. Or else, you will be doomed because miguna would shout your name...'Why am I being called out and not so and so and so....' You can imagine how many lives can get destroyed in a school by such a lively outburts.. A self seeker from the yore, Miguna needs to deal with his past and let people be free from his outdated self seeking antics, and a sense of self importance, which he can spray about like a stink bomb. He needs to travel back to the Onjiko days to cast away his demons of shouting people's names in public in order to fight his wars. He needs to grow up one inch! He needs to grow up for once! Thank you Godmesa. Something is definitely not right with MM. How I wish we could help him from himself! But for that to happen, MM needs to take the first bold step first. We do not hate MM, we would love to assist him. But he must give us a chance. MM is definitely in a self-destruct mode. He needs urgent help. And some of us are ready to assist if only he could allow...........................! OMG!
|
|
|
Post by cheshirecat on Nov 21, 2011 10:59:47 GMT 3
Isn't anyone concerned that the PM is using his office to put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like? That sounds like classic Moi to me but I guess when the tyrant is 'one of our sons' then its fine. Poor Kenya.
|
|
|
Post by Omwenga on Nov 21, 2011 11:21:19 GMT 3
Isn't anyone concerned that the PM is using his office to put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like? That sounds like classic Moi to me but I guess when the tyrant is 'one of our sons' then its fine. Poor Kenya. cheshirecat, No one is concerned about this because it's not true that the PM is using his office to "put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like." Because your premise is false, your analogy to Moi is equally false and misplaced.
|
|
|
Post by cheshirecat on Nov 21, 2011 11:37:26 GMT 3
Isn't anyone concerned that the PM is using his office to put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like? That sounds like classic Moi to me but I guess when the tyrant is 'one of our sons' then its fine. Poor Kenya. cheshirecat, No one is concerned about this because it's not true that the PM is using his office to "put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like." Because your premise is false, your analogy to Moi is equally false and misplaced. ast Thursday November 10th, 2011, I received written communication from the Chief Executive Officer of the Star newspaper, Mr. William Pike, advising that the Prime Minister, Raila Odinga, was very upset about an article I had published in the Star on Tuesday November 8th, 2011, titled: “We Must Never Tolerate Theft of Public Resources”. That article was about corruption in government; not about Raila Odinga.
William requested that I should “go slow on the Prime Minister” in my column until the “dust settles.” The Star subsequently caved in to political pressure from the Prime Minister and refused to publish an article I submitted for my column of Tuesday November 15th on political violence and hooliganism. That article appears in today’s issue of the People newspaper (and is attached herewith).[/i] Omwenga, Are you saying Miguna is lying about the above?
|
|
|
Post by merlin on Nov 21, 2011 12:29:13 GMT 3
Isn't anyone concerned that the PM is using his office to put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like? cheshirecat,I am not concerned and do not think the PM is concerned about the publications of Miguna Miguna. If you pass the microphone to a speaker reality will eventually surface above all the words which leave their mouth especially when it streams out in abundance. It takes some listening time though every politician, preacher, commentator (or contributors to this board) will eventually be seen for what they are. It is the imminent danger for selfish politicians when speaking too often at rally’s and listening time becomes extensive. I still applaud the speaker of the house for introducing live coverage on TV of the house proceedings.Suppressing freedom of speech will reinforce expectations by the listeners brightening the Halo around speaker’s head. Miguna Miguna is nearly at the end of his self-destruction tour and many readers see him for what he is and are in the giving-up process of reading his articles. Perceiving the hand of Raila in diminishing publication possibilities for Miguna Miguna seems to be absurd as most of the media outlets are in the power of Raila’s rival politicians. The written comment from Chief Executive Officer of the Star newspaper, Mr. William Pike to Miguna, Miguna is an assessment of Pike on the article of Miguna Miguna. We do not know the full details of the comment and we do not have to know this as we are not the publishers of the Star. So it is not up to me to decide if Miguna Miguna is lying or not.
|
|
|
Post by cheshirecat on Nov 21, 2011 13:42:20 GMT 3
Isn't anyone concerned that the PM is using his office to put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like? cheshirecat,I am not concerned and do not think the PM is concerned about the publications of Miguna Miguna. If you pass the microphone to a speaker reality will eventually surface above all the words which leave their mouth especially when it streams out in abundance. It takes some listening time though every politician, preacher, commentator (or contributors to this board) will eventually be seen for what they are. It is the imminent danger for selfish politicians when speaking too often at rally’s and listening time becomes extensive. I still applaud the speaker of the house for introducing live coverage on TV of the house proceedings.Suppressing freedom of speech will reinforce expectations by the listeners brightening the Halo around speaker’s head. Miguna Miguna is nearly at the end of his self-destruction tour and many readers see him for what he is and are in the giving-up process of reading his articles. Perceiving the hand of Raila in diminishing publication possibilities for Miguna Miguna seems to be absurd as most of the media outlets are in the power of Raila’s rival politicians. The written comment from Chief Executive Officer of the Star newspaper, Mr. William Pike to Miguna, Miguna is an assessment of Pike on the article of Miguna Miguna. We do not know the full details of the comment and we do not have to know this as we are not the publishers of the Star. So it is not up to me to decide if Miguna Miguna is lying or not. Fair enough. He could be lying. Although am yet to hear either William Pike or the PM's office refute the claims. Muguna's comments are pretty clear. William Pike's concern were not about what Miguna was writing about. They were from the PM's office reaction to it. imagine the uproar if a few months ago before his fall with RAO, Miguna had said that the Office or the president was putting pressure on Pike to cap his articles. Am sure threads upon threads about mafias and apes would have filled this forum. So imagine my surprise at the silence.
|
|
|
Post by amunra on Nov 21, 2011 13:52:52 GMT 3
|
|
|
Post by mzee on Nov 21, 2011 14:55:33 GMT 3
cheshirecat, No one is concerned about this because it's not true that the PM is using his office to "put pressure on the press to stop publishing stuff that he doesn't like." Because your premise is false, your analogy to Moi is equally false and misplaced. ast Thursday November 10th, 2011, I received written communication from the Chief Executive Officer of the Star newspaper, Mr. William Pike, advising that the Prime Minister, Raila Odinga, was very upset about an article I had published in the Star on Tuesday November 8th, 2011, titled: �We Must Never Tolerate Theft of Public Resources�. That article was about corruption in government; not about Raila Odinga.
William requested that I should �go slow on the Prime Minister� in my column until the �dust settles.� The Star subsequently caved in to political pressure from the Prime Minister and refused to publish an article I submitted for my column of Tuesday November 15th on political violence and hooliganism. That article appears in today�s issue of the People newspaper (and is attached herewith).[/i] Omwenga, Are you saying Miguna is lying about the above? [/quote] Miguna might be twisting the truth for we have not seen the named communications. It might just be his interpretation of what pike wrote. But again, Miguna is known for dropping peoples names carelessly here and there. So he might be actually lying.
|
|
|
Post by destiny on Nov 21, 2011 15:44:36 GMT 3
Raila's feverish supporters are his worst enemies.
True, the PM may have nothing to do with this, just like in TUJU's stoning case, but these deeply violent and tribal "supporters" will do anything however stupid if a fellow tribesman is seen to be "spoiling" Raila's chances of becoming president.
God forbid the violence which would be meted on critics if Agwambo's dream was realised and he became the king!
The "supporters" are actually the ones that put off Raila's potential voters like me. Remember the nonsense about "no Raila no peace" and we "won't pay rent and bus fare if he wins?"
Miguna has every right to be scared. My good friend Oscar King'ara had similar fears and was executed by cops within weeks after we had met at his popular restaurant (The Hood) in Kilimani. He told my group he was scared, people had visited his parents home near Banana in Kiambu and made threats, just like in Miguna's case.
They pumped bullets and took his life away together with that of his co-worker Paul Oulu both used to work for Oscar Foundation. As you may have guessed, their killers remain at large two years on.
Such threats as Miguna's should and must be taken seriously. It happened to my good buddy who had just been interviewed by Jeff Koinange one week before, it can happen to anyone.
|
|
|
Post by genius on Nov 21, 2011 15:56:29 GMT 3
Miguna made plenty of powerful enemies during his time at the OPM. Any of these fellas can take him out and the accusing fingers will dutifully point at Raila and his diehard supporters. Give the man the security he's asking for. We don't want to make a matyr out of this loudmouth.
|
|
|
Post by mzee on Nov 21, 2011 16:47:44 GMT 3
Raila's feverish supporters are his worst enemies. True, the PM may have nothing to do with this, just like in TUJU's stoning case, but these deeply violent and tribal "supporters" will do anything however stupid if a fellow tribesman is seen to be "spoiling" Raila's chances of becoming president. God forbid the violence which would be meted on critics if Agwambo's dream was realised and he became the king! The "supporters" are actually the ones that put off Raila's potential voters like me. Remember the nonsense about "no Raila no peace" and we "won't pay rent and bus fare if he wins?" Miguna has every right to be scared. My good friend Oscar King'ara had similar fears and was executed by cops within weeks after we had met at his popular restaurant (The Hood) in Kilimani. He told my group he was scared, people had visited his parents home near Banana in Kiambu and made threats, just like in Miguna's case. They pumped bullets and took his life away together with that of his co-worker Paul Oulu both used to work for Oscar Foundation. As you may have guessed, their killers remain at large two years on. Such threats as Miguna's should and must be taken seriously. It happened to my good buddy who had just been interviewed by Jeff Koinange one week before, it can happen to anyone. Upuzi, please keep your vote. You have a right to cast it for the peace loving Ruto or Uhuru, its your choice. Bure kabisa
|
|
bob
Full Member
Posts: 238
|
Post by bob on Nov 21, 2011 17:44:43 GMT 3
Please,let democracy prevail exercise your constitutional right. If I am a fan of Odinga i will vote for him,if it is Ruto i will vote for him, if it is Kalonzo or Uhuru likewise,but to say that ones supporters are putting you off is just total rubbish.Are you voting out of objectivity or the wave? Kenyan politics has hardly ever been objective,so kupakana matope is inevitable. Its up to you to make your own judgement, ukishindwa don't vote, period!
|
|
|
Post by destiny on Nov 21, 2011 18:01:23 GMT 3
Upuzi, please keep your vote. You have a right to cast it for the peace loving Ruto or Uhuru, its your choice. Bure kabisa OOOPS! Looks like I touched some raw nerves somewhere. But then gain, we all know truth can hurt someone real bad. I still stand by what I said, meza wembe! FYI, Miguna has every right to tell the world about the primitive scare tactics ( which will fail) being used to try and silence him by hired goons in NYANZA. How many times has Raila claimed his life was also in danger with the very latest being a dud "bomb"that was "discovered" in THE PM's office compound? The truth is that we have some very powerful untouchables in Kenya who will use all means to silence their critics or opponents. It has happened before and it ca happen again. Remember Mugabe Were? Gitau Njuguna of Mungiki? Oscar Kingara? Mbai? Father Kaiser, Julie Ward, Ouko? JM? Pio Gama Pinto? Raid on Standard? Police whistle blower Kirinya? Most recently Chemorei who kept keys to 6BN cocaine haul? Last but not least KRA agent who was after gold thieves? Now has anyone been arrested on even questioned about these murders and assassinations? What about that University girl (Mercy Keino) killed the other day in Westlands in that dubious bash- gone wrong- that Kabogo attended? Point is there are people out there who happen to be ABOVE the law. Raila must condemn the ODM goons who "visited" Miguna's relatives and mention Miguna by name to show he's serious in this life threatening situation. We can still remember his half-hearted "condemnation" of Bwana TUJU's stoning where he never bothered to even mention Tuju by his name..... Unless he wants "RAILA" to be synonymous with violence, intimidation and hired goons UP TO YOU SIR!
|
|
|
Post by adongo23456 on Nov 21, 2011 18:13:37 GMT 3
cheshirecat,I am not concerned and do not think the PM is concerned about the publications of Miguna Miguna. If you pass the microphone to a speaker reality will eventually surface above all the words which leave their mouth especially when it streams out in abundance. It takes some listening time though every politician, preacher, commentator (or contributors to this board) will eventually be seen for what they are. It is the imminent danger for selfish politicians when speaking too often at rally’s and listening time becomes extensive. I still applaud the speaker of the house for introducing live coverage on TV of the house proceedings.Suppressing freedom of speech will reinforce expectations by the listeners brightening the Halo around speaker’s head. Miguna Miguna is nearly at the end of his self-destruction tour and many readers see him for what he is and are in the giving-up process of reading his articles. Perceiving the hand of Raila in diminishing publication possibilities for Miguna Miguna seems to be absurd as most of the media outlets are in the power of Raila’s rival politicians. The written comment from Chief Executive Officer of the Star newspaper, Mr. William Pike to Miguna, Miguna is an assessment of Pike on the article of Miguna Miguna. We do not know the full details of the comment and we do not have to know this as we are not the publishers of the Star. So it is not up to me to decide if Miguna Miguna is lying or not. Fair enough. He could be lying. Although am yet to hear either William Pike or the PM's office refute the claims. Muguna's comments are pretty clear. William Pike's concern were not about what Miguna was writing about. They were from the PM's office reaction to it. imagine the uproar if a few months ago before his fall with RAO, Miguna had said that the Office or the president was putting pressure on Pike to cap his articles. Am sure threads upon threads about mafias and apes would have filled this forum. So imagine my surprise at the silence. Fellas,Let's get real. As I said before, any threat to a person's life is a serious issue. But the one part about Miguna's story which is absolutely bogus is this William Pike business. Yes Mr. Pike did not publish Miguna's story on the Tuju Kondele circus. But the same William Pike published an article by none other than Onyango Oloo on the exact same topic: Here it is: www.the-star.co.ke/opinions/others/48626-hooliganism-has-no-place-in-kenyaTo the best of my knowledge Onyango Oloo has not been killed by Raila for writing that article. At least not yet. I do not know what is in Miguna's article on the Tuju issue that is different from what Oloo wrote. The same Star published another article by a Mr. Osman on the exact same issue from exact same perspective. I am assuming Mr. Osman is still alive. Is it possible that the Star just could not publish 100 articles on the exact same topic from the exact same perspective? May be Jukwaa can do that but the Star finds it redundant. I am not diputing that Mr. Pike probably sent a memo to Miguna, but really the Tuju story is overblown. Let's move ON. Tuju himself was in Kisumu for his rerun and attended a church event in Kibuye. He spoke to the media after that and actually down played the whole Kondele circus saying it has nothing to do with the people of Kisumu and should not be used to smear them as bad people. So what really is the big deal about this Tuju issue which still has to be dragged on and on. What is rather disturbing is that there is so much happening in the country. We have a constitutional meltdown with the cabinet trying to cook amendments which are essentially illegal because the cabinet is not allowed to initiate constitutional amendments. Now the Bill has been withdrawn. At some time Miguna used to be very passionate about the constitutional implementation process and wrote extensively about it and warned us every time it was being messed with. What happened to that? Is it something Miguna would be interested in writing about instead of recyling old story about Tuju which has been written about a million times. We have a war in going on. The economy is in dire problems with exploding inflation and prices out of control. Is Miguna and Raila the only things left to talk about? I hope not. The Kenyan struggle cannot be reduced to individual obssessions. We have seen many of our most brilliant activists reduce themselves to side shows, lets hope this will not be one such case. There is a lot more to our country than Miguna and Raila. People are getting fed up with this circus. Other than Uhuru's K24 the media pretty much ignored the press conference. And then we have the nonsense that Raila should stop everything he is doing and go arrest the people who allegedly visited Miguna's relatives or Raila should condemn this and condemn that. If Raila must respond to Miguna everyday, will he even have time to do anything else? Complete rubbish.
|
|
bob
Full Member
Posts: 238
|
Post by bob on Nov 21, 2011 19:01:46 GMT 3
Hey guys anyone thinking that RAO must apologize for everything that does not please his haters,critics or otherwise is wasting his time & mistaken. There better things that he can do with his time for this country,trust me if there people that RAO would have ever taken revenge on are the people who detained,tormented him mentally,physically etc,but he chose not to. So who the hell is Miguna? Infact Miguna feels so stressed & disillusioned that no one is paying attention to him. Pole sana!
|
|
|
Post by adongo23456 on Nov 21, 2011 19:43:35 GMT 3
Fair enough. He could be lying. Although am yet to hear either William Pike or the PM's office refute the claims. Muguna's comments are pretty clear. William Pike's concern were not about what Miguna was writing about. They were from the PM's office reaction to it. imagine the uproar if a few months ago before his fall with RAO, Miguna had said that the Office or the president was putting pressure on Pike to cap his articles. Am sure threads upon threads about mafias and apes would have filled this forum. So imagine my surprise at the silence. Fellas,Let's get real. As I said before, any threat to a person's life is a serious issue. But the one part about Miguna's story which is absolutely bogus is this William Pike business. Yes Mr. Pike did not publish Miguna's story on the Tuju Kondele circus. But the same William Pike published an article by none other than Onyango Oloo on the exact same topic: Here it is: www.the-star.co.ke/opinions/others/48626-hooliganism-has-no-place-in-kenyaTo the best of my knowledge Onyango Oloo has not been killed by Raila for writing that article. At least not yet. I do not know what is in Miguna's article on the Tuju issue that is different from what Oloo wrote. The same Star published another article by a Mr. Osman on the exact same issue from exact same perspective. I am assuming Mr. Osman is still alive. Is it possible that the Star just could not publish 100 articles on the exact same topic from the exact same perspective? May be Jukwaa can do that but the Star finds it redundant. I am not diputing that Mr. Pike probably sent a memo to Miguna, but really the Tuju story is overblown. Let's move ON. Tuju himself was in Kisumu for his rerun and attended a church event in Kibuye. He spoke to the media after that and actually down played the whole Kondele circus saying it has nothing to do with the people of Kisumu and should not be used to smear them as bad people. So what really is the big deal about this Tuju issue which still has to be dragged on and on. What is rather disturbing is that there is so much happening in the country. We have a constitutional meltdown with the cabinet trying to cook amendments which are essentially illegal because the cabinet is not allowed to initiate constitutional amendments. Now the Bill has been withdrawn. At some time Miguna used to be very passionate about the constitutional implementation process and wrote extensively about it and warned us every time it was being messed with. What happened to that? Is it something Miguna would be interested in writing about instead of recyling old story about Tuju which has been written about a million times. We have a war in going on. The economy is in dire problems with exploding inflation and prices out of control. Is Miguna and Raila the only things left to talk about? I hope not. The Kenyan struggle cannot be reduced to individual obssessions. We have seen many of our most brilliant activists reduce themselves to side shows, lets hope this will not be one such case. There is a lot more to our country than Miguna and Raila. People are getting fed up with this circus. Other than Uhuru's K24 the media pretty much ignored the press conference. And then we have the nonsense that Raila should stop everything he is doing and go arrest the people who allegedly visited Miguna's relatives or Raila should condemn this and condemn that. If Raila must respond to Miguna everyday, will he even have time to do anything else? Complete rubbish. For the record, let me say I just recieved an email from my friend Miguna which is a copy of the e-mail he sent to Mr. Pike regarding Mr. Pike's refusal to publish his article. So for the sake of honesty let me say yes, Mr. Pike did refuse to publish Miguna's article. Whether he did so under the orders of the Prime Minister is not clear from the e-mail. I think that is a question only Mr. Pike can answer. Like I said the same Mr. Pike did publish two other articles one by Onyango Oloo and another by Osman on the exact same issues from the exact same perspective and since he is still posting here in Jukwaa it is indeed safe to say that our friend Onyango Oloo has not been killed by Raila at least as of Monday morning Canadian time. We wil check with him tomorrow. My issue with Miguna is that I know how much work that guy has done and I know how much work we still have to do and it is awful to see Miguna as a permenent fixture at K24 with this endless Raila circus. I know that without Miguna there are things that could not have been done at all and they are very important things for the country and some of them will transform the country for generations to come. I know how much damage the lose of Miguna from the PM's office has caused the country not the PM. I know these things because I have been part of them.
|
|
|
Post by affirmed on Nov 21, 2011 21:15:50 GMT 3
Adongo wrote:
"I know that without Miguna there are things that could not have been done at all and they are very important things for the country and some of them will transform the country for generations to come. I know how much damage the lose of Miguna from the PM's office has caused the country not the PM. I know these things because I have been part of them. "
I couldn't agree more! Your take on this saga has been fairly balanced. But I would like to believe the converse is also true that the lose of Miguna from the PM's office has done both the country and the PM some good-- if not a lot of good judging from his handling of himself since his suspension.
A threat to one's life must be taken seriously. The problem is that Miguna himself is not taking it seriously and seems to be more interested in using the threat, real or imagined, to score political points and hit back at ODM and Raila.
As many here have opined, MM should not be so linear in his thinking as to rule out the possibility of anti-Raila and anti-ODM elements capitalizing on his juvenile and unhelpful rantings since suspension from office to do him harm.
People lose jobs. It is the norm in the current economy. But they don't resort to such unhelpful conduct and juvenile behavior being exhibited by MM. Yes, one can get depressed and even resort to verbal or physical violence directed at their former boss or company-- but you seek help from your physician. Also, that is what family and friends are there for. Watching and listening to his press conference--there is no doubt that the man needs help. Let those who call him friend counsel him to calm down so that he can begin to build his life. Nerea's piece a couple of weeks ago was one of the most candid and sober advice to a colleague that if I were MM I would have embraced fully and reflected on. Life is not only life when you work for the PM or in government.
Yes, I condemn any threat to MM's life, but he too should take the threat seriously!
|
|
|
Post by matekmati on Nov 21, 2011 21:35:45 GMT 3
MM life of any living thing is very sacred. None is more sacred than the other, especially of human beings that have gone through some painful past like you. Yes. But also, as a Kenyan Diaspora, I know you did not waste your time in Canada, you went to school, got admitted to the bar and has contributed alot in your own way. My personal request to you is to see the damage you are now doing to the diaspora in Kenyan politics. I know and believe this job at the PM's office is not the only job youy can get your livelyhood from. Stop throwing this endless fit, it paints not just you but all of us from the diaspora inj bad light. You talk of people who feel that the presidency is their entitlement, but equally the job was not your entitlement.
|
|
|
Post by morimax on Nov 21, 2011 22:05:08 GMT 3
Adongo wrote: "I know that without Miguna there are things that could not have been done at all and they are very important things for the country and some of them will transform the country for generations to come. I know how much damage the lose of Miguna from the PM's office has caused the country not the PM. I know these things because I have been part of them. " I couldn't agree more! Your take on this saga has been fairly balanced. But I would like to believe the converse is also true that the lose of Miguna from the PM's office has done both the country and the PM some good-- if not a lot of good judging from his handling of himself since his suspension. A threat to one's life must be taken seriously. The problem is that Miguna himself is not taking it seriously and seems to be more interested in using the threat, real or imagined, to score political points and hit back at ODM and Raila. As many here have opined, MM should not be so linear in his thinking as to rule out the possibility of anti-Raila and anti-ODM elements capitalizing on his juvenile and unhelpful rantings since suspension from office to do him harm. People lose jobs. It is the norm in the current economy. But they don't resort to such unhelpful conduct and juvenile behavior being exhibited by MM. Yes, one can get depressed and even resort to verbal or physical violence directed at their former boss or company-- but you seek help from your physician. Also, that is what family and friends are there for. Watching and listening to his press conference--there is no doubt that the man needs help. Let those who call him friend counsel him to calm down so that he can begin to build his life. Nerea's piece a couple of weeks ago was one of the most candid and sober advice to a colleague that if I were MM I would have embraced fully and reflected on. Life is not only life when you work for the PM or in government. Yes, I condemn any threat to MM's life, but he too should take the threat seriously! For sure the man needs help by all means. Sooner or later those who are more concerned will take actions. Well folks do you remember one lady Esther Arunga, with her life threats, and with Jeff Koinange on the bench, with her loaded information she had and that was supposedly the reason for her life threats? Right now it is difficult to differentiate MM behaviors with those of Arunga. Arunga was forced to sort for medical attention. By any chance was Arunga killed? After Arunga was given the media black, do hear of Arunga anymore? not even at the bench. Well we know we can not compare MM's capacity with those of Arunga. As many have said, MM's self destruct mode is at the peak. Soon he will be no more at the star, neither at the K24, I doubt even here at Jukwaa. Refresh your memories with Arunga and Jeff at the bench.
|
|
gateway
Full Member
?Marijuana saved my life. I have no doubts about it and you don?t need to show me any data.?
Posts: 118
|
Post by gateway on Nov 21, 2011 22:28:02 GMT 3
I used to ask why MM rarely attacked Raila or ODM while he was still working there. He went ballistic only after his dismissal. A dismissal that annoyed me. I am not a RAILA supporter. I smoke enough weed to liberate my consciousness from the mundane. So I will not attack either Raila or MM. I just wonder why MM thinks that what he is doing is NOT NAKED. I can see it. i do not need glasses. Am I mad at him?? No. He is playing politics. I see a man who is trying to fight for a foothold in Kenyan politics. I wonder if his style will catapult him up there or if his frantic efforts will come to nothing. I see Raila too. I see the boys uniting against him. Do I love the boys? NO. In short all the politicians do not make sense to me. However, without a doubt, i will go with Raila for now unless something BETTER comes along. So MM can at least be SUBTLE. You cannot beat RAILA with THORAX. I hate to ADMIT it, but that approach will make you meet the community HEAD-ON. Utaweza hio?? Even me i want to take over from ODINGA but sijui hata nianze wapi. So i will let him finish his term before I fight him. Even my mother will vote Agwambo before she votes for me if we were both on the ballot with Agwambo. So MM, your entry into Politics has started on the wrong PATH-----A war path with Agwambo will not make you even a Councillor. No one knows you in the grassroots. you probably can get more votes in Canada than in KISUMU. So go slowly. Get over the hasira for your dismissal. Focus and get an advise from a pothead like me. Sometimes we see thing TOTALLY different. I can see you ENDING nowhere with this. The spirits are telling me that your HUBRIS will be your undoing. A professor once told me in Bible College (yes, I am a pot-head Theologian) the way UP is DOWN. Try humility. The LUO spirit is FORMIDABLE. you cannot penetrate in ALONE without the MASSES. For now the MASSES are with AGWAMBO. TAKE it EASY my friend. Will You?
Next time before you YAP anything, contact me and let's see if the RAMOGI spirits agree with it. For now, the oracles tell me that you should find a quiet spot, light some spliff and listen to this song. You will have an epiphany if you let your spirit flow with the lyrics. Your eyes will be opened and you will come back to the fold. You are straying.
HII MTU Bado Ni STRONG. You will not fight him thru KELELE.
|
|