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Post by kamalet on Feb 21, 2012 8:37:52 GMT 3
This really says it all about a person--the ill-wishing for nothing but pure hatred. I find it difficult to believe that Kamale (or anybody) would have wished Raila death. Its a matter of curiosity that Kamale has not challenged you on the matter, but I am not able to take his silence as confession of guilt on such an issue. For my curiosity, Mzee, might you have a quotation of Kamale's wish that Raila died? Earlier when this thiread came up I googled the subject of the thread, and one link that came up was from another Kenya forum - at that forum I read someone's comment to the effect that John Michuki and Amb. Muthaura are two people that all Kenyans would like dead. I found that such a disturbing claim, and would be surprised to see a confirmation that our Kamale has made a similar wish on someone. MankAs is typical of many, they simply refuse to go back to the archives. Here is what I said during the PM's illness - and perhaps apart from the avid mind readers, see if you can see where I wished Raila death: Death Wish 1First I wish the PM a quick recovery from whatever he is ailing from.I must however says that seeing the PM coming from the Yes strategy meeting, he did not look any different to what he has always been the joyful man with the gift of garb.....he was still laughing when launching the Nairobi Dam project. I trust that this is not a cover up for something a lot more serious which could lead to some embarrassment and that he is indeed just fatigued. Death wish 2With the doctors now properly diagnosing symptoms of Intercranial Pressure (ICP), we have a better view of the problems the PM has. It was hardly convincing that the PM was being confined to bed in hospital only due to fatigue and that is what I had issues with earlier. The management and release of medical information is normally a critical process in ensuring that any information given out does not give rise to speculation about the condition of the patient. You do not get brain surgery and are immediately out updating your facebook page! I can only hope that we shall not be treated to a PR exercise that the PM needs overseas treatment when we have some very fine brain surgeons and medical doctors on this land. We all wish the PM a quick recovery and most Kenyans need to be told the severity if any of the symptoms that caused the doctors to open up his head. He is unfortunately the property of Kenya and not that of the Luo community where people are calling others names when they talk about the condition of the PM! Death wish 3I can see the tribal police in full swing on this. Raila will not die and in any case should he nod off, it will be because he is a human being that is a mere mortal. To a lot of those going for Kamale, they should know that there is only one reason why anyone would celebrate the death of another - if that person will be a beneficiary of that death. I am not related to Raila so cannot inherit him, he has not stopped me from earning my keep in my work, so either way it does not matter if he dies! So why in all that is holy would I celebrate his death Merkeju?Then this mentally challenged fellow comes to suggest that I said that Raila should be sent abroad for treatment...if they could only learn to read, I was insisting that Kenya has some fine medical practitioners who can treat him in Kenya, and taking him out of the country will be more of a PR excercise than a medical one!! The man is sick, has had brain surgery...and above all else he is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya. I am interested as a Kenyan to KNOW and not to be lied to on his condition. Kapeesh? Death wish 4Like you other friend, once you get your head out of Raila's backside, then we can debate you. Yes I hate Raila but I would like to throw some hate on someone who is healthy! and here is the thread for all to read how others were behaving! jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4261&page=5
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Post by destiny on Feb 21, 2012 14:06:49 GMT 3
Personally I don't blame the social media or bar gossip for the fake rumours about the imaginary death of these prominent Kenyans. They are public servants and open to public debate and scrutiny. When they try-in vain- to keep their ill health hidden from the people, then gossip will definitely fly in ever direction. Michuki and his family must learn from this debacle. He's an old fella and prone to illness. Trying to hide this will not improve his health at all. Kudos to the like of Beth Mugo and Anyang' Nyong'o who have come out openly and indeed highlighted cancer among Kenyans.
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Post by mank on Feb 21, 2012 16:57:01 GMT 3
Thanks Kamale. I had been following the thread and did not notice death wishes.
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Post by mzee on Feb 21, 2012 23:33:50 GMT 3
I just saw in the Nation newspaper that he is now dead. Can someone confirm
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Post by tnk on Feb 21, 2012 23:39:50 GMT 3
I just saw in the Nation newspaper that he is now dead. Can someone confirm just seen it too, RIP
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Post by mzee on Feb 21, 2012 23:45:07 GMT 3
R.I.P bwana kimendero. We will remember you for many things good and bad
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Post by furaha on Feb 21, 2012 23:45:37 GMT 3
The Nation quotes from a press statement by Alfred Mutua, government spokesman. That press statement is not yet up on Mutua's website but I suppose The Nation is correct and copies of the statements were sent to media houses.
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Post by phil on Feb 21, 2012 23:53:26 GMT 3
My condolences to the Michuki family.
This fellow actually died earlier than today, only that we did not want to be accused of spreading rumours.
Kamale nearly diverted this into another Raila bashing thread. It is as if Mutua wants the world to stop merely because Michuki is dead. Even the late Wamalwa (sorry) to say did not deserve a state funeral and the Kibaki government must stop dragging the country into what should essential be a private Michuki family affair.
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 22, 2012 0:15:16 GMT 3
At least the old soldier was straight. He never stabbed anybody from the back. He laid it straight upfront unlike his buddy Kibaki who is a still a green snake. Michuki was a traight up rattle snake.
When he joined the wabeberu to fight the mau mau, he did not do it hiding. He was not one of those who covered their heads in gunias to point out the mau mau militants from the lineups.
Kimendeero got his name by openly and proudly crashing the genitals of mau mau militants. Michuki had complete faith in the colonial administration's ability to crash the mau mau militants and showed no fear of the mau mau.
Luckily for Michuki as soon as the war of independence was over, he didn't have to worry about any of the militants he killed or maimed.
He (Michuki) soon found himself on the right side of Kenyatta and rose to prominence. The rest is effectively history.
Even in later years Michuki has never minced words. He frankly told Kenyans that the talk for a new constitution was necessary when Moi was in power but became useless after Kibaki took over. That is how Kibaki governed Kenya in his first term but he was too much of a coward to say so. When it came to the infamous raid of the Standard, Michuki again said the truth. You rattle a snake you get rattled. He was basically telling Kenyans that State House employed hired thugs and thuggery to meet their objectives. If you don't like it too bad.
During the stalemate at over the 2007 elections Michuki publicly mused over the need for Kenya to go down the Rwanda path (genocide) if that is what it would take to keep Kibaki in power. The old man almost got his wish at a terrible cost to the country.
So Michuki has left his mark in Kenya, no question about that. In death we will his family well.
In an era where politicians are professional liars in everything they do, Michuki had the guts to say it like it is as awful as most of his actions were. That should give him some grey points in that hearing they have before they either go to heaven or hell. Good thing I have no say in where anyone goes. Let him take a rest in peace. It is inevitable for all.
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 22, 2012 0:15:31 GMT 3
He is dead
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Post by Mr Defence on Feb 22, 2012 0:26:24 GMT 3
Did he die on Sunday, Monday or Tuesday???
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 22, 2012 0:36:29 GMT 3
My condolences to the Michuki family. This fellow actually died earlier than today, only that we did not want to be accused of spreading rumours. Kamale nearly diverted this into another Raila bashing thread. It is as if Mutua wants the world to stop merely because Michuki is dead. Even the late Wamalwa (sorry) to say did not deserve a state funeral and the Kibaki government must stop dragging the country into what should essential be a private Michuki family affair. Very saddened to hear about the passing of Hon. Michuki. I recall the last time I saw him was in New York last year and sitting next to him at a dinner involving others as well and after glancing at the menu briefly, he looked at me, grinning and asked that I suggest what he should have. Now, here is this Mzee giving me this heavy responsibility but I happily obliged albeit nervously so, wondering if he would take one bite and send me scrambling to fetch him nyama choma. Fortunately, he liked it and as we left after that long dinner, he invited me to visit him when next in Nairobi. Unfortunately, that did not materialize as he was out of the country when I next came to Nairobi but was planning to do so the next time; a meeting which sadly now will not be. As I have seen someone say, he will be remembered for many good and bad things but I will always remember him for the good things. My heartfelt condolences to his family and may he RIP.
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Feb 22, 2012 1:07:16 GMT 3
Kenyans forget so fast about Standard Raid and Artur Brothers...how about Kencom House and Windsor Golf Club??? corrupt past???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 1:20:45 GMT 3
My condolences to the Michuki family. This fellow actually died earlier than today, only that we did not want to be accused of spreading rumours. Kamale nearly diverted this into another Raila bashing thread. It is as if Mutua wants the world to stop merely because Michuki is dead. Even the late Wamalwa (sorry) to say did not deserve a state funeral and the Kibaki government must stop dragging the country into what should essential be a private Michuki family affair. Very saddened to hear about the passing of Hon. Michuki. I recall the last time I saw him was in New York last year and sitting next to him at a dinner involving others as well and after glancing at the menu briefly, he looked at me, grinning and asked that I suggest what he should have. Now, here is this Mzee giving me this heavy responsibility but I happily obliged albeit nervously so, wondering if he would take one bite and send me scrambling to fetch him nyama choma. Fortunately, he liked it and as we left after that long dinner, he invited me to visit him when next in Nairobi. Unfortunately, that did not materialize as he was out of the country when I next came to Nairobi but was planning to do so the next time; a meeting which sadly now will not be. As I have seen someone say, he will be remembered for many good and bad things but I will always remember him for the good things. My heartfelt condolences to his family and may he RIP. omwengaSaddened? hardly. when I die, and die I will, I want people to be happy if I've brought nothing but misery to them. Please. We're all gonna kick the damn bucket, some of us sooner rather than later. You may very well be laughing or crying about me tomorrow. Take your pick, all I ask is for honesty. Sad you didn't get to hang with big shot in Nbi? When you were "nervously" picking out a meal for him, he was thinking of how he was part of cutting down your people in more ways than one. Wondering how you got away, to live another day. Remember? just 2007! And a state funeral is adding insult to injury. Poor Kenyans the trash we've got to put up with.
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Post by hannali on Feb 22, 2012 1:52:47 GMT 3
Prostate cancer metastatic to the bone took the old man out. Not a bad ending compared to the grisly endings many kenyans have met under his hands/command. Nature always carries/metes out its justice as per its protocol
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 22, 2012 2:47:32 GMT 3
Very saddened to hear about the passing of Hon. Michuki. I recall the last time I saw him was in New York last year and sitting next to him at a dinner involving others as well and after glancing at the menu briefly, he looked at me, grinning and asked that I suggest what he should have. Now, here is this Mzee giving me this heavy responsibility but I happily obliged albeit nervously so, wondering if he would take one bite and send me scrambling to fetch him nyama choma. Fortunately, he liked it and as we left after that long dinner, he invited me to visit him when next in Nairobi. Unfortunately, that did not materialize as he was out of the country when I next came to Nairobi but was planning to do so the next time; a meeting which sadly now will not be. As I have seen someone say, he will be remembered for many good and bad things but I will always remember him for the good things. My heartfelt condolences to his family and may he RIP. omwengaSaddened? hardly. when I die, and that I will, I want people to be happy if I've brought nothing but misery to them. Please. We're all gonna kick the damn bucket, some of us sooner rather than later. You may very well be laughing or crying about me tomorrow. Take your pick, all I ask is for honesty. Sad you didn't get to hang with big shot in Nbi? When you were "nervously" picking out a meal for him, he was thinking of how he was part of cutting down your people in more ways than one. Wondering how you got away, to live another day. Remember? just 2007! And a state funeral is adding insult to injury. Poor Kenyans the trash we've got to put up with. Kathure, Perhaps this comment the Standard, www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?incl=comments&id=2000052635&cid=4 saw fit to publish sums up where yours truly is coming from: Now passes on a man who embodied all that is great in public service and the ingenuity of leadership for the benefit of a nation without putting ego or self first. The Bible tells us all have sinned but in the passing of this great man, let's remember him for the great things he did in life and contributions to our country's continued struggle to find home to itself. May he rest in peace. .
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Post by tnk on Feb 22, 2012 3:04:37 GMT 3
wow dont know whether its poor journalism, a lack of organisation on the part of govt (too much unnecessary secrecy), or if its something else, nevertheless the stalking and hounding by journalists would be avoided by providing a platform to engage
no one really wanted to talk to the press except for kimemia who does a great job engaging briefly. thats all that the press required just some official acknowledging and then set a date or platform for future updates
but wow check out uhuru @ 4:37 that guy has become way too big for kenya(ns).
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 22, 2012 3:55:19 GMT 3
wow dont know whether its poor journalism, a lack of organisation on the part of govt (too much unnecessary secrecy), or if its something else, nevertheless the stalking and hounding by journalists would be avoided by providing a platform to engage no one really wanted to talk to the press except for kimemia who does a great job engaging briefly. thats all that the press required just some official acknowledging and then set a date or platform for future updates but wow check out uhuru @ 4:37 that guy has become way too big for kenya(ns). tnk, The media did not have to chase the body to the funeral home. That is a family business and it is the loneliest ride of all. There are no colourful caskets or any of that. Yes there was little information coming out but the media has no business chasing the body. I don't know what Uhuru is doing running around looking all puffed up and everything. The guy has passed away, you deal with the family and offer them consolation and condelences, there is no need to run around from place to place. The loneliness of death is quite disturbing. It does not matter at all how important you are. I think that is what drives humanity crazy and make us have all these great ideas of the after life. We will all find that out, won't we? ALONE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 4:21:45 GMT 3
omwengaSaddened? hardly. when I die, and that I will, I want people to be happy if I've brought nothing but misery to them. Please. We're all gonna kick the damn bucket, some of us sooner rather than later. You may very well be laughing or crying about me tomorrow. Take your pick, all I ask is for honesty. Sad you didn't get to hang with big shot in Nbi? When you were "nervously" picking out a meal for him, he was thinking of how he was part of cutting down your people in more ways than one. Wondering how you got away, to live another day. Remember? just 2007! And a state funeral is adding insult to injury. Poor Kenyans the trash we've got to put up with. Kathure, Perhaps this comment the Standard, www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?incl=comments&id=2000052635&cid=4 saw fit to publish sums up where yours truly is coming from: Now passes on a man who embodied all that is great in public service and the ingenuity of leadership for the benefit of a nation without putting ego or self first. The Bible tells us all have sinned but in the passing of this great man, let's remember him for the great things he did in life and contributions to our country's continued struggle to find home to itself. May he rest in peace. . omwengaOh come on! even Hitler did something right? Please. Tired of this culture that people can behave in whatever way they want when they are living; then expect others to to mourn their death and to memorialize them as though they are our country's heroes. Why? look how long it takes [if ever] to have the same types as Michuki memorialize our true national heroes? Why didn't Michuki work to memorialize say a J.M Kariuki and give him the status of the national hero that he is? And all I'm saying is whatever!
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Post by tnk on Feb 22, 2012 5:10:22 GMT 3
adongo
thats the price to pay for having a govt spokesman that lies in broad daylight. you will recall they had said otherwise regarding his health less than 48 hours earlier
the media have no option but to use all means necessary and some of them are ugly
its a real pity. i think if the govt cultivates a platform where credible information is dissipated in a timely manner, then all these cat and mouse games would not take place.
and i do agree there have to be some limits where the media give families some privacy not just in funerals but there are other events where privacy would do lots of good.
but i do recall someone mentioning here that the moment you take up public office, you should prepare to be under a spotlight for almost each and every action i.e be prepared to give up the luxury called privacy. and the more aggressive or high profile the public portfolio, the less privacy you will enjoy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 5:36:36 GMT 3
Is anyone out there wondering what this funeral is going to look like? Wangari Mathai's was one where dignity at a funeral was restored. I'm sure her children told them absolutely not to try and turn their mother's funeral into some spectacle for their own agendas. Who knows Maathi probably had a will that said as much. Waiting.
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 22, 2012 5:58:08 GMT 3
TNK I totally agree with you, but it is hard to be private in public eyes, but I have seen some public servants who have done is so well. adongo thats the price to pay for having a govt spokesman that lies in broad daylight. you will recall they had said otherwise regarding his health less than 48 hours earlier the media have no option but to use all means necessary and some of them are ugly its a real pity. i think if the govt cultivates a platform where credible information is dissipated in a timely manner, then all these cat and mouse games would not take place. and i do agree there have to be some limits where the media give families some privacy not just in funerals but there are other events where privacy would do lots of good. but i do recall someone mentioning here that the moment you take up public office, you should prepare to be under a spotlight for almost each and every action i.e be prepared to give up the luxury called privacy. and the more aggressive or high profile the public portfolio, the less privacy you will enjoy
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Post by patriotism101 on Feb 22, 2012 8:21:00 GMT 3
At least the old soldier was straight. He never stabbed anybody from the back. He laid it straight upfront unlike his buddy Kibaki who is a still a green snake. Michuki was a traight up rattle snake. When he joined the wabeberu to fight the mau mau, he did not do it hiding. He was not one of those who covered their heads in gunias to point out the mau mau militants from the lineups. Kimendeero got his name by openly and proudly crashing the genitals of mau mau militants. Michuki had complete faith in the colonial administration's ability to crash the mau mau militants and showed no fear of the mau mau. Luckily for Michuki as soon as the war of independence was over, he didn't have to worry about any of the militants he killed or maimed. He (Michuki) soon found himself on the right side of Kenyatta and rose to prominence. The rest is effectively history. Even in later years Michuki has never minced words. He frankly told Kenyans that the talk for a new constitution was necessary when Moi was in power but became useless after Kibaki took over. That is how Kibaki governed Kenya in his first term but he was too much of a coward to say so. When it came to the infamous raid of the Standard, Michuki again said the truth. You rattle a snake you get rattled. He was basically telling Kenyans that State House employed hired thugs and thuggery to meet their objectives. If you don't like it too bad. During the stalemate at over the 2007 elections Michuki publicly mused over the need for Kenya to go down the Rwanda path (genocide) if that is what it would take to keep Kibaki in power. The old man almost got his wish at a terrible cost to the country. So Michuki has left his mark in Kenya, no question about that. In death we will his family well. In an era where politicians are professional liars in everything they do, Michuki had the guts to say it like it is as awful as most of his actions were. That should give him some grey points in that hearing they have before they either go to heaven or hell. Good thing I have no say in where anyone goes. Let him take a rest in peace. It is inevitable for all. Adongo, Your statement that kimendere never stabbed anybody in the back provoked this response. I can count more than my fingers the people this old folk stabbed in the back. Lets start with former commish Hussein Ali. If you look at Michuki's tenure as the Minister in charge of security, one can make an argument that Ali's demise and subsequent nightmare at the hague started with this guy. I can assure you that Ali is one of the guys who are not shedding a tear for the old man. He did not only stab the commish in the back, he put the knife right in the guys heart. It is laughable how death is a great equalizer. Looking at the van bringing in the old man to the morgue and backing up to discharge its cargo, brings memories of all those people kimendere send to city mortuary. Lives snuffed too soon, children piled on top of their mothers. Unidentified body from Kayole brought in by a police landrover- with only a blood socked tag hinting at their identity. The crime- being jobless and suspected of being a mungiki. I guess i am just tired of hypocracy that death brings in us. Does death right all the wrongs and evil things people do? Are we just not brave enough to say good riddance? Doesnt the demons of the people he ordered crushed deserve to ding dong the old man in his sleep? Rattle him a little bit? Why does he deserve to rest in peace? I have no tear to shed for kimendere- totally feel nothing. Any patriot worth his salt should feel relieved. Senti 5
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Post by mank on Feb 22, 2012 8:37:20 GMT 3
Adongo,
Your statement that kimendere never stabbed anybody in the back provoked this response. I can count more than my fingers the people this old folk stabbed in the back. Lets start with former commish Hussein Ali. If you look at Michuki's tenure as the Minister in charge of security, one can make an argument that Ali's demise and subsequent nightmare at the hague started with this guy. I can assure you that Ali is one of the guys who are not shedding a tear for the old man. He did not only stab the commish in the back, he put the knife right in the guys heart.
It is laughable how death is a great equalizer. Looking at the van bringing in the old man to the morgue and backing up to discharge its cargo, brings memories of all those people kimendere send to city mortuary. Lives snuffed too soon, children piled on top of their mothers. Unidentified body from Kayole brought in by a police landrover- with only a blood socked tag hinting at their identity. The crime- being jobless and suspected of being a mungiki.
I guess i am just tired of hypocracy that death brings in us. Does death right all the wrongs and evil things people do? Are we just not brave enough to say good riddance? Doesnt the demons of the people he ordered crushed deserve to ding dong the old man in his sleep? Rattle him a little bit? Why does he deserve to rest in peace?
I have no tear to shed for kimendere- totally feel nothing.
Senti 5 Poor guy ... No love for his poor soul, although I think that is not as true mle nchini as it is on this society we have created here on Jukwaa. Hope the hate he leaves among many stays only in the mortal world. RIP old fella.
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Post by nok on Feb 22, 2012 10:52:50 GMT 3
Condolence to the Michuki Family.
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