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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 28, 2012 1:16:23 GMT 3
Don't shoot me yet Railamaniacs.
But I understand the spirit used to prepare some of these deadly drinks circulating in central is bought from Odinga's spectre international.
I understand some of these dealers cannot differentiate the differences between methanol and ethanol.
So If Odinga sells them methanol in the pretext of it being ethanol, they will bottle it and sell it to their customers.
Ofcourse some of you are going to argue that the brew is laced with methanol by the dealer. It may well be. What kind of assurance does Spectre has to the dealer that what they buy is true ethanol?
The question is, is Raila knowingly reducing the central votes?
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 28, 2012 5:39:45 GMT 3
subsaharanite
Can you please pass this to Jerome Corsi. Do it now. OK. He is waiting. You could get paid for this "discovery". Talk about enterprenuership. You got it. Now go for it.
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Feb 28, 2012 6:55:34 GMT 3
Don't shoot me yet Railamaniacs. But I understand the spirit used to prepare some of these deadly drinks circulating in central is bought from Odinga's spectre international. I understand some of these dealers cannot differentiate the differences between methanol and ethanol. So If Odinga sells them methanol in the pretext of it being ethanol, they will bottle it and sell it to their customers. Ofcourse some of you are going to argue that the brew is laced with methanol by the dealer. It may well be. What kind of assurance does Spectre has to the dealer that what they buy is true ethanol? The question is, is Raila knowingly reducing the central votes?
In 2007, ODM spread the rumour that PNU had poisoned the booze in Kibera with an odorless, tasteless chemical. If you drank it, you would fall asleep, and miss your chance to vote. I see the G7 alliance is now recycling ODM's tactics.
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 28, 2012 7:00:39 GMT 3
Don't shoot me yet Railamaniacs. But I understand the spirit used to prepare some of these deadly drinks circulating in central is bought from Odinga's spectre international. I understand some of these dealers cannot differentiate the differences between methanol and ethanol. So If Odinga sells them methanol in the pretext of it being ethanol, they will bottle it and sell it to their customers. Ofcourse some of you are going to argue that the brew is laced with methanol by the dealer. It may well be. What kind of assurance does Spectre has to the dealer that what they buy is true ethanol? The question is, is Raila knowingly reducing the central votes?
In 2007, ODM spread the rumour that PNU had poisoned the booze in Kibera with an odorless, tasteless chemical. If you drank it, you would fall asleep, and miss your chance to vote. I see the G7 alliance is now recycling ODM's tactics.
Are you suggesting that subsaharanite speaks for the PNU on this matter? If he is they have more problems than they know how to deal with. |
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 28, 2012 11:38:17 GMT 3
I suspect the Sub-Saharan is being sarcastic or simply baiting. The problem of endemic alcoholism is not so simplistic. There are deep social and economic justice questions that nobody wants to address.
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Post by reporter911 on Feb 29, 2012 7:38:43 GMT 3
I suspect the Sub-Saharan is being sarcastic or simply baiting. The problem of endemic alcoholism is not so simplistic. There are deep social and economic justice questions that nobody wants to address. I concur with you on your train of thoughts.. I wonder who is out to kill the changa and buzzaa drinkers allover Kenya more so in western and Rift Valley should Kenyans lay the blame on Uhuru Kenyatta or the old man in StateHouse? mmm less people more votes!!!S maybe subsaharanite can enlighten us..
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Post by reporter911 on Feb 29, 2012 7:41:08 GMT 3
SHOULD KENYANS BLAME THE PM FOR THESE DEATHS TOO?
OR ARE SOME JUST TRYING TO TARNISH HIS NAME.. WHAT A SHAME TO BLAME ONE OF DEATHS BY ILLICIT BREW WHICH HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR GENERATIONS IN KENYA.. " LITTLE SECRET THAT MOST KENYANS DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT"
"As a government we are not happy about this incident," Juma said. "We will continue to raid where we think the brew dens are located until this menance is completely done away with."
While Juma said 14 people had died, police spokesman Eric Kiraithe put the number of deaths at six, saying police are investigating to determine the actual number of deaths and the number of those hospitalized.
A sample of the changa'a has been taken to a government chemist for testing.
Changa'a is sold cheaply in Nairobi slums. While it can take a long time to prepare, greedy brewers lace it with chemicals to hasten the process and to make it more potent. There have been a number of deaths from drinking changa'a in recent years, and other people been blinded.
"The reason these people continue to drink this harmful alcohol even with awareness of its deadly ramifications is because some of the residents here don't care about their lives, they'd rather drink all day," Juma said.
Samuel Chege was treated and released Monday at the Nairobi national hospital after consuming changa'a during a weekend drinking spree and experiencing stomach pains.
AND HERE ARE THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND BY TRYING TO LEGALIZE KILLER BREWS!!
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"In my opinion, it should not be legalized because the number of proprietors will increase and so will the number of drunks," Juma said.
Mary Nduku said her cousin died after drinking the deadly beverage. She said she was called home from work to find him lying on the floor of their house. He and a neighbor, who was also unconscious, were rushed to the hospital but pronounced dead on arrival.
ASK YOURSELVES WHO THE HELL WOULD WANT TO LEGALIZE THESE KILLER BREWS? GUYS WHO MAKE MONEY FROM THE TRADE AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT WHO CARELESS AND RECEIVE SALARIES JUST FOR WARMING THEIR SEATS IN PARLIAMENT! HELL NO! 2012 MUST BRING IN FRESH FACES LAW ABIDING CITIZENS..NO MORE THUGS AND CROOKS.. enuff said!
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Post by reporter911 on Feb 29, 2012 7:55:58 GMT 3
I FOUND SOME INTERESTING INFORMATION ON THE KILLER BREWS ON THIS WEBSITE - "SERIOUS KENYAN SPEAKING"ogeezone.blogspot.com/2011/09/kenyan-illicit-brews-why-black-out.htmlHERE ARE SOME QUOTES FROM THE WRITER WHICH I FIND VERY INTERESTING!! MAYBE "subsaharanite" should take time for a brief education on Kenya killer brews instead of throwing wild allegations and maligning the PM!! If you didn’t know, that windshield cleaning fluid, carburetor cleaner, antifreeze, copier toner, that you usually use but overlook, contains Methanol. How convenient and readily available to your local brewer?Hmmm…So what does it do in the body to cause blindness,you ask? Here’s where we get into the Chemistry,pay attention class… Drinking methanol, although in small amounts, can be dangerous and cause serious health problems, including coma, seizures, and blindness, even death. Methanol is also toxic / poisonous if inhaled or exposed to the eyes, because it can damage eyesight.
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Post by mugabe on Feb 29, 2012 19:10:21 GMT 3
Nothing new here. The first person to make this outlandish suggestion was a certain buffoon Moses Kuria. Anyway Raila is to blame for everything including the fact that real 'men' are being beaten by the wives in Nyeri.
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 29, 2012 22:28:53 GMT 3
Guys
This is a serious matter. In spite of the sarcasm involved, this is about the standard of ethanol being sold by Spectre.
Those of you with alcohol processing know that during fermentation of sugar, both methanol and ethanol are formed depending on the conditions. In the Kenyan market, ethanol has a ready market while methanol is kind of a nuisance.
If for example a the brewer makes a mistake in their fermentation process and the end product contains more methanol, then the subsequent distillation process has to be modified so that he can effectively separate the two.
I tend to think Spectre knows the difference between methanol and ethanol although they have similar characteristics. So if Spectre indeed does not test their products before selling them, then it is possible that the guys packing Gin and brandy in central wont know either. They will probably sell it off not knowing its true content.
On the other hand, The Mwangis of central maybe trying to cut costs. So instead of buying Spectre's expensive alcohol, they buy cheaper and adulterated products from fellow 'Kamaus' from central who have labeled it as Spectre's product.
Mwangi has not invested in appropriate instruments to determine the quality standards of what he receives.
I am pretty sure, Mwangi will not willingly sell his fellow Mwangi's methanol laced alcohol.
I therefore think that this should be taken seriously.
On another issue, I would like to comment that hardly do you hear of deaths in Nyanza ans western caused by alcohol poisoning because these guys brew and distill their own gin. They know the process well. So they basically know how to separate Methanol from Ethanol or suppress the production of the latter during fermentation.
Lets get to the bottom of this.
Thus, I ask again, Is Odinga silently Killing central votes? Don't shoot me yet...
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Post by okolowaka on Mar 1, 2012 0:26:19 GMT 3
I worked at the Kisumu Molasses Plant in 2005 in the brew house, yeast plant, and in the the distillery. Scheduled and random samples are taken during all stages of production and tested internally by a fully functioning in-house laboratory and externally by the government chemist in Kisumu, LBDA laboratories, and the EABL laboratories, among others. The tests and sale of all industrial chemicals and products for human consumption is monitored by the government of Kenya and other internationally accredited organizations before the potable products are certified "Fit for Human Consumption". It is a requirement of the law and the last time I checked the Kisumu Plant manufacturing processes and products are ISO certified. The industrial spirits are sold to certified dealers or certified producers of other industrial products that use the industrial alcohol produced at the Kisumu Plant, according to the permit they hold. Every batch sold is accompanied by a certificate and permit from the Chief Government Chemist with permission to buy, transport or use the industrial spirits obtained from the Kisumu Plant. If you illegally obtain and consume industrial chemicals in the name of getting high then you have yourself to blame; it is not Raila's fault. ;D O, I forgot , everything that is wrong in the world is Raila's fault.... Adam and Eve - Raila; Ten Commandments - Raila; Philistines attack Israel - Raila, Plagues in Egypt - Raila, ... Oooh, floods - Raila, Aaah, seven years of famine - Raila.... Allow me, courtesy of Spectre International to walk you through the industrial and human food/consumption products that are manufactured at the Kisumu Plant. You tell me which one is made with the intent to kill only people in Central Kenya and thus reduce the number of votes... Or how Spectre by-passes all the internal and external checks and balances to produce and sell something that is not as you say "true alcohol"..... ETHANOL Ethanol is a clear, colorless, flammable liquid, which we produce by the fermentation and distillation of sugar cane molasses, a by-product of the sugar industry. The molasses is initially fermented using saccharomyces yeast to produce a low alcoholic strength 'beer'. This is then concentrated and purified through various continuous distillation columns to produce a range of ethanol products of different strengths and qualities. These varying grades of ethanol are important raw materials in the manufacture of alcoholic beverages, pharmaceuticals, cosmetics and toiletries, flavours, essences and vinegar. The major end use applications for our alcohol products are Extra Neutral Alcohol, Rectified Spirits, Industrial Methylated Spirits and Coloured Methylated Spirits. COLORED METHYLATED SPIRITThis is a denatured spirit that conforms to mandatory customs and Excise regulations. The additions of methyl Violet give the product its regular beautiful Violet colour. Methylated Spirit is used as an antiseptic in hospitals, solvent in paints, inks, varnishes, as a cooling medium and in various other domestic applications. INDUSTRIAL METHYLATED SPIRITIndustrial Methylated Spirit differs from Coloured Methylated Spirit as it does not have any Methyl Violet added to it. It is denatured to conform to the mandatory Customs and Excise regulations. The product is mainly used in the manufacture of skin care products and other special industrial applications calling for this grade of spirit. This includes Shoe Polish, Printing Inks, etc. RECTIFIED SPIRITThis is the raw form of spirit that has not undergone distillation to neutral form. It is suitable and versatile enough to serve different industries mainly as a solvent. It undergoes denaturing that renders it unpalatable and unfit for human consumption or for re-distillation into neutral spirit for the purpose of manufacture into an alcoholic beverage or serves as a base product in making Coloured or Industrial Methylated Spirits. EXTRA NEUTRAL ALCOHOLThis is the Extra Neutral Alcohol that is refined from Rectified Spirit to a high degree of purity that ensures it satisfies the requirement of the Kenya Standard Specifications for Neutral Spirit: ks-050-608; 1988 It is used in the manufacture and blending of alcoholic beverages such as Gins, Vodkas, Whiskies, Brandies, Rums, Wines, etc. WET YEASTWet Yeast is a product mainly used by bakers and confectioners in their baking production processes. The product is set to revolutionize the baking industry in Kenya amid the precedence of several inquiries regarding its production from our customers. ACTIVE DRY YEASTActive Dry Yeast begins as fresh Wet Yeast until the yeast cake undergoes further processing. The cake passes through a granulator then to a fluid bed drying system. Here the moisture content is extremely reduced from an average of 70% of the wet yeast moisture, to around 8% maximum moisture for the dry yeast. This Active Dry Yeast targets small bakers and home bakers. It is also ideal for areas where the climate is hot or lack refrigerated facilities that make it difficult to distribute fresh Wet Yeast satisfactorily. Doughs made with Active Dry Yeast are slacker when compared to fresh Wet Yeast. This slackening effect is beneficial to make doughs for very strong flours, pizza doughs, bun doughs and some sweet doughs where well relaxed dough is desired. This slackening effect of Active Dry Yeast is also desirable in the brewing industry especially the opaque beer and other improved forms of traditional beers. In baking, Active Dry Yeast is generally re-hydrated in lukewarm water 30 - 40oC (1:4 yeast: water) before addition to the mixer. A re-hydration period of 5 minutes is adequate to obtain good dispersion and re-hydration. www.spectreinternational.co.za/products.html |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 1, 2012 3:23:46 GMT 3
Okolowaka,
That was a good read. But that's just all about it, a good read. Just the other day Kenyans wete fed on contaminated maize despite all the checks and balances and all. You surely know who was behind those dubious deals. You see the problem with corruption is that it is like cancer, once it catches you it never leaves. Kikuyus will need to be very careful and reduce their love for the bottle lest they be controlled by a remote control.
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 1, 2012 3:38:25 GMT 3
Nothing new here. The first person to make this outlandish suggestion was a certain buffoon Moses Kuria. Anyway Raila is to blame for everything including the fact that real 'men' are being beaten by the wives in Nyeri. Mugabe wewe muchokozi ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 1, 2012 3:46:53 GMT 3
Guys This is a serious matter. In spite of the sarcasm involved, this is about the standard of ethanol being sold by Spectre. Those of you with alcohol processing know that during fermentation of sugar, both methanol and ethanol are formed depending on the conditions. In the Kenyan market, ethanol has a ready market while methanol is kind of a nuisance. If for example a the brewer makes a mistake in their fermentation process and the end product contains more methanol, then the subsequent distillation process has to be modified so that he can effectively separate the two. I tend to think Spectre knows the difference between methanol and ethanol although they have similar characteristics. So if Spectre indeed does not test their products before selling them, then it is possible that the guys packing Gin and brandy in central wont know either. They will probably sell it off not knowing its true content. On the other hand, The Mwangis of central maybe trying to cut costs. So instead of buying Spectre's expensive alcohol, they buy cheaper and adulterated products from fellow 'Kamaus' from central who have labeled it as Spectre's product. Mwangi has not invested in appropriate instruments to determine the quality standards of what he receives. I am pretty sure, Mwangi will not willingly sell his fellow Mwangi's methanol laced alcohol. I therefore think that this should be taken seriously. On another issue, I would like to comment that hardly do you hear of deaths in Nyanza ans western caused by alcohol poisoning because these guys brew and distill their own gin. They know the process well. So they basically know how to separate Methanol from Ethanol or suppress the production of the latter during fermentation. Lets get to the bottom of this. Thus, I ask again, Is Odinga silently Killing central votes? Don't shoot me yet... Please continue preaching and making excuses for your Illicit brewers and the guzzlers that spent their days and night in the drinking dens? ;D ;D or you can be a good samaritan and go start up a eduational workshop to help your folks instead of spreading malicious lies and rumors which everyone can see through YES WHAT UTTER NONSENSE! AND YES IT IS LAUGHABLE!! ;D |
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Post by mank on Mar 1, 2012 3:46:55 GMT 3
I worked at the Kisumu Molasses Plant in 2005 in the brew house, yeast plant, and in the the distillery. Scheduled and random samples are taken during all stages of production and tested internally by a fully functioning in-house laboratory and externally by the government chemist in Kisumu, LBDA laboratories, and the EABL laboratories, among others. .... Skip to minute-marker 1.50 on the first clip on this thread, here: What kind of controoled leisure drink is this, that should kill a person at "... akisidisha mbili?" |
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Post by palaver on Mar 1, 2012 3:48:20 GMT 3
This is just sad reasoning. Railaphobia at its best.
If RAO were to enter into rat poison manufacturing and some depressed guy from central decides to consume it, will we also blame him ?
I wonder why they don't blame their njamba for influencing them to smoke and drink heavily!! After all he is their role model in the so called prayer rallies!
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Post by mank on Mar 1, 2012 4:00:51 GMT 3
This is just sad reasoning. Railaphobia at its best.
If RAO were to enter into rat poison manufacturing and some depressed guy from central decides to consume it, will we also blame him ?
I wonder why they don't blame their njamba for influencing them to smoke amd drink heavily!! After all they listen keenly to his prayer rallies! This thread is a valuable one, except its mislabeled. The question should be about the products sold by Spectre and others in the industry. I do not think Raila is in charge of making content decisions for any of the companies, even if he owns chunks of those companies. |
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 1, 2012 4:02:35 GMT 3
This is just sad reasoning. Railaphobia at its best. If RAO were to enter into rat poison manufacturing and some depressed guy from central decides to consume it, will we also blame him ? An adult is an adult regardless of their tribe or region.  Central Kenya ‘top husband-beaters’
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 1, 2012 16:10:52 GMT 3
Okolowaka(moto), (rogue)Reporter911.
To the former,
I'm a chemist, I know all about ethanol and alcohol production. Save your copy pasted literature for Wikipedia or high school audience.
You cleverly do not mention that the fermentation process produces a wide range of alcohols amongst other side products depending on the process conditions.
You cleverly do not mention how methanol is produced, but you mention what grades of methanol Spectre sells. How ironic! Do they collect it out of their rainwater tanks after rain spells?
You also herald different grades of ethanol in which you and me know that only the water content is the major variable.
You fail to acknowledge that no fermentation process no matter how controlled it is will only yield one of product. As such, even the well controlled and monitored process that Spectre is said to utilize produces mixed products.
Some of the major contaminants that are usually ignored are Ketones and Aldehydes that cause the so called hangovers. At no time did I take any spirit in Kenya and with no hangover. Meaning, even Spectre for example does not scrub them off.
So throw your standards. The so called Kenya bureau of standards (KEBS) used ancient trace analysis methodologies. Some of them cannot detect all contaminants within the samples.
Believe me, I have been to KEBS and I have most of their standards- They are mediocre. For example, they use 1970's British and Indian titrimetric standards-ancient protocols that high school kids learn in form one.
Next time you visit either KEBS or Spectre ask them to invest in mass spectrometers and nuclear magnetic resonance spectrometers and trace analyzers. Tell them to throw away their burettes and pipettes, ancient gas chromatographers as well colorimeters. Then you can flaunt your so called 'standards' here.
I have lived in the west and no matter how much spirits I drank, I never had hangovers.
If you really wanna know how mediocre KEBs is, ask yourself why a few years ago, the EU barred the importation of fish from Lake Victoria over trace contaminants although KEBs gave the fish a clean bill of health. Between the EU and KEBs instruments, which ones were telling the truth?
Okolowaka(moto), can you acknowledge first that Fermentation produces both methanol and ethanol?
If yes, can you also acknowledge that a poorly designed and uncontrolled distillation process may not effectively separate the two?
Now for you (rogue) reporter,
I'm not from central and never will. People all over Kenya take alcohol. Nyanza for example consumes much more ethanol than central. Its just that over there, they hardly use industrially processed ethanol. Most of it is produced by small scale brewers who who know their art well.
Believe me, I have seen scientific studies published in Kenya that found at that the so called Chang'aa produced by small scale brewers in Nyanza and western is of higher standards than cheap concoctions like Kenya and simba cane.
So your inept suggestion that people in Central are stupid to engage in drinking sprees does not hold. The fact is, they unknowingly consume adulterated ethanol and if Odinga's Spectre is the supplier of the raw materials, then indirectly, Odinga is silently killing Kyuks. Find something else to argue on and not your narrow nonsense. Besides, read the irony!
Now rogue(reporter) if you watched the video clip that I attached the bottler stated that he gets his raw material from Spectre. This guy does not have any means of independently certifying his raw material other than believing in whatever paperwork accompanies the raw materials and Spectre knows this. Henceforth, Spectre selling something else other than what they purport is not all that remote. It is a possibility.
Instead of politicking this issue, lets be sober and stop cajoling each other.
Methanol as killed many people and do not just brush it off. We should know how and who Spectre sells all the ethanol and methanol products it sells to and trace the real criminals. Someone needs to take blame.
In the video, the dealer stated that his supplier is Spectre. Spectre should publicly respond to his allegation.
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Post by mintos on Mar 1, 2012 16:48:28 GMT 3
So why don't we also blame Mr. Toyoda for for all those road accidents involving Toyota cars/vans/pick ups in Kenya?
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Post by palaver on Mar 1, 2012 17:20:27 GMT 3
Okolowaka(moto), (rogue)Reporter911. . . . The so called Kenya bureau of standards (KEBS) used ancient trace analysis methodologies. Some of them cannot detect all contaminants within the samples. Believe me, I have been to KEBS and I have most of their standards- They are mediocre. For example, they use 1970's British and Indian titrimetric standards-ancient protocols that high school kids learn in form one. . . . Methanol as killed many people and do not just brush it off. We should know how and who Spectre sells all the ethanol and methanol products it sells to and trace the real criminals. Someone needs to take blame. In the video, the dealer stated that his supplier is Spectre. Spectre should publicly respond to his allegation. Dude your problem seems to be with kebs for their failure to uphold standards. Nyanza and western guys have no problem with the quality, the issue here should be that the cooks in central are inexperienced and have a hunger for quick profits over quality. these are adults who should use their minds and if they cannot, let their wives drive the point home #kiboko style |
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 1, 2012 17:43:51 GMT 3
Okolowaka(moto), (rogue)Reporter911. To the former, I'm a chemist, I know all about ethanol and alcohol production. Save your copy pasted literature for Wikipedia or high school audience. You cleverly do not mention that the fermentation process produces a wide range of alcohols amongst other side products depending on the process conditions. You cleverly do not mention how methanol is produced, but you mention what grades of methanol Spectre sells. How ironic! Do they collect it out of their rainwater tanks after rain spells? You also herald different grades of ethanol in which you and me know that only the water content is the major variable. You fail to acknowledge that no fermentation process no matter how controlled it is will only yield one of product. As such, even the well controlled and monitored process that Spectre is said to utilize produces mixed products. Some of the major contaminants that are usually ignored are Ketones and Aldehydes that cause the so called hangovers. At no time did I take any spirit in Kenya and with no hangover. Meaning, even Spectre for example does not scrub them off. So throw your standards. The so called Kenya bureau of standards (KEBS) used ancient trace analysis methodologies. Some of them cannot detect all contaminants within the samples. Believe me, I have been to KEBS and I have most of their standards- They are mediocre. For example, they use 1970's British and Indian titrimetric standards-ancient protocols that high school kids learn in form one. Next time you visit either KEBS or Spectre ask them to invest in mass spectrometers and nuclear magnetic resonance spectrometers and trace analyzers. Tell them to throw away their burettes and pipettes, ancient gas chromatographers as well colorimeters. Then you can flaunt your so called 'standards' here. I have lived in the west and no matter how much spirits I drank, I never had hangovers. If you really wanna know how mediocre KEBs is, ask yourself why a few years ago, the EU barred the importation of fish from Lake Victoria over trace contaminants although KEBs gave the fish a clean bill of health. Between the EU and KEBs instruments, which ones were telling the truth? Okolowaka(moto), can you acknowledge first that Fermentation produces both methanol and ethanol? If yes, can you also acknowledge that a poorly designed and uncontrolled distillation process may not effectively separate the two? Now for you (rogue) reporter, I'm not from central and never will. People all over Kenya take alcohol. Nyanza for example consumes much more ethanol than central. Its just that over there, they hardly use industrially processed ethanol. Most of it is produced by small scale brewers who who know their art well. Believe me, I have seen scientific studies published in Kenya that found at that the so called Chang'aa produced by small scale brewers in Nyanza and western is of higher standards than cheap concoctions like Kenya and simba cane. So your inept suggestion that people in Central are stupid to engage in drinking sprees does not hold. The fact is, they unknowingly consume adulterated ethanol and if Odinga's Spectre is the supplier of the raw materials, then indirectly, Odinga is silently killing Kyuks. Find something else to argue on and not your narrow nonsense. Besides, read the irony! Now rogue(reporter) if you watched the video clip that I attached the bottler stated that he gets his raw material from Spectre. This guy does not have any means of independently certifying his raw material other than believing in whatever paperwork accompanies the raw materials and Spectre knows this. Henceforth, Spectre selling something else other than what they purport is not all that remote. It is a possibility. Instead of politicking this issue, lets be sober and stop cajoling each other. Methanol as killed many people and do not just brush it off. We should know how and who Spectre sells all the ethanol and methanol products it sells to and trace the real criminals. Someone needs to take blame. In the video, the dealer stated that his supplier is Spectre. Spectre should publicly respond to his allegation.
your thread title says it all.. and you can scream all you want that you are not from central with a tongue in the cheek But any Kenyan reading your personal attacks on Raila can see through your disguise ;D go fool others elsewhere but not here on Jukwaa - let me remind you Jukwaa has very intelligent following takes a few minutes to check you out!! As for your dealer !! I wonder who bribed him to blame spectre? and how old is he? 4 years old? who forced him to buy a product that is not ment to be used brewing illicit brew? it is like a drunkard in the bar complaining after causing an accident that it is the fault of the Bar owner that sold him the Booze!!!! what utter nonsense you post here on Jukwaa get real! go tell your people to grow up and stop brewing killer brews killing their own tribesmen!!! instead of yupping your gums on here go do something positive in like educating them to stick to Beer drinking or not bother al all!! and if you claim being CHEMIST THEN WHY NOT EDUCATE YOUR PEOPLE TO STOP USING POISON IN THEIR BREWS? have you seen KENYA BREWERIES USING POISON TO PRODUCE BEER? stop your blame game it is nonsensical.. grow up!! or go tell your Illicit brewers to wake up and stop brewing killer drinks just for profit while they keep killing their tribes men.. yes they are the ones killing them and as you indicated reduces the VOTES in central province!! Shame on you!! |
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Post by okhunyanye on Mar 2, 2012 8:35:07 GMT 3
 next we will blame odinga for husband battery in Central.
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Post by mank on Mar 2, 2012 9:01:18 GMT 3
next we will blame odinga for husband battery in Central.---- Not advisable, unless he is the wife. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 2, 2012 11:27:21 GMT 3
Don't shoot me yet Railamaniacs. But I understand the spirit used to prepare some of these deadly drinks circulating in central is bought from Odinga's spectre international. I understand some of these dealers cannot differentiate the differences between methanol and ethanol. So If Odinga sells them methanol in the pretext of it being ethanol, they will bottle it and sell it to their customers. Ofcourse some of you are going to argue that the brew is laced with methanol by the dealer. It may well be. What kind of assurance does Spectre has to the dealer that what they buy is true ethanol? The question is, is Raila knowingly reducing the central votes? This posting by you lowers the standards here in Jukwaa to incredibly abysmal depths.
The pathetic fear mongering; the cynical resort to the usual Railophobic button; employing a pejorative, (Kyuks) to refer to the Agikuyu... I could go on and on. When you feed the words "kyuk kenya" into a search engine like google and hit return, most of the results are negative, assuming the users of this word "kyuk" most of the time use this term as some kind of a put down. I do not know your ethnic background but regardless of what your mother tongue is, you were consciously trying to start a flame war here in Jukwaa pitting the Kikuyus against the Luos, which you know is one of the No-Nos on this forum. In fact I wanted to go ahead and delete your account. Instead I decided to confine myself to a warning.There are many other Kenyan forums where you would be welcomed with open arms. Here you are more likely to get your butt kicked. Believe me I am waiting very impatiently for you to do just one thing wrong and then Ka BOOOM!! You are gone from Jukwaa, just like that. Incidentally, Spectre International bought space in some Kenyan dailies a few days ago to address directly, the concerns you raise here. Did you see the disclaimers? Onyango Oloo
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